Wired DNF article - Page 2

zwieback · 12-23-2009, 03:57 AM

today or tomorrow.. comon duke!!!

TripleH · 12-23-2009, 04:59 AM

Interesting article. Hail to the King

Kennerado · 12-23-2009, 05:25 AM

None of this is news to us and none of it is surprising.

The lower salary thing is pretty shocking, trying to sweeten the deal with "profits from every game you ship as long as you work here".

At the time I was pissed when I heard guys like Wieder and Aldie left, but in retrospect I would of done the exact same thing.

The only good thing that came from DNF was posting on these forums with pretty much the most mature/smart gaming crowd I have seen.

X-Vector · 12-23-2009, 05:33 AM

You must visit some shitty forums.

Nacho · 12-23-2009, 06:20 AM

As everyone should know some truth is in the article but some is also not so accurate... you must take it with a grain of salt until the real story gets told after all this legal stuff is done with.

Rösti · 12-23-2009, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacho

As everyone should know some truth is in the article but some is also not so accurate... you must take it with a grain of salt until the real story gets told after all this legal stuff is done with.

That the whole thing was a marketing trick?

Nacho · 12-23-2009, 06:31 AM

No, just that everyone who worked at 3DR are not really allowed to talk due to legal mumbo jumbo holding them at bay so while this story may have 'some' truth to it (some is accurate... other parts not so much) nothing can really be confirmed or denied due to the insinuating court case.

Tang Lung · 12-23-2009, 06:52 AM

I wonder what would happen if George go his hands on the game again. I also wonder what he will do next. Doomed to release shovelware and cheap arcade games? I hope not. Guy deserves a second chance, assuming it was his passion that got home where he was.

crunchy superman · 12-23-2009, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacho

until the real story gets told after all this legal stuff is done with.

They never talked to us when they could.

Gabriel · 12-23-2009, 10:00 AM

Hello,

My name is Gabriel, I'm from Belgium, I'm 20 years old now.

I just wanted to drop a word about all the stuff i've read on this forum the last 2 months (yup, it took me time to read all this stuffà

When DN3D went out, i was only 6 years old, it's the first FPS i've owned, the first i've bought (my big bro bought it for me at that time). This game has inspired my whole life, so far that now, i'm internationally recognised gamer, i spend my time playing FPS games and contesting all around the world.

Now that you've got a brief description of what type of gamer you got in front of you let me tell you this;

3D realms team has, IMO, never been the source of the delay of DN4E, and i don't think that George Broussard was the main bad guy who did prevent the game from comin onto the shelves ... I guess that the main problem, and to the elements that i've been told about, is that the developping team wasn't big enough. Let me explain a bit better : at the time DN3D went out, the computer were fu**ing 486 with 16MB of RAM and computers game were not evolving as fast as what we've seen in the following years. GB has always wanted to make DN the best looking game sequel possible, and this I can understand. But after DN3D, the game industry started to accelerate the tech progresses, thanks to computing speed improvements, and this is what caused the fail of DN4E.
The problem of developping games (i work for a well know development company too but cannot say wich since i'm force to hold industrial secrecy) is that when you think about some stuff, either it has already been done, either the time it took you to think about it and develop it makes it already look outdated. This is the main reason why you need more than 30 people to think at the same idea. I think that the decision not to use a bigger amount to people was the main fault in this case. History has teached us a great thing, nothing is impossible if you got means to do it. The means in here wasn't switching to the best game engine, neither getting the latest goodies from the others games, it was just getting the game nice and out in time, wich as we all know, failed epicly.
You all know Duke has never needed any kind of perfection in it ... the good receipy of Duke sequel is kickass action, humoristic taunts and some bits of aliens spread over the wall. 3D perfection is not what DN is/ should be intended to. The DN3D fans (wich I am) just want to get their computer childhood back on the shelves at any cost.

Money wasn't the problem, technical knowledges were not the problem, GB himself wasn't the problem. I think that the problem is that 3D realms tried to keep the same team as for DN3D, working as a big family and incorporating the fewest people as possible to create the game. And this is what caused the delay then the destruction of DN myth.

For my last words, i would say that if DN4E was now on shelves i would pay more that 100 buck just to have my copy, i guess i could do incredible things just to get it (selling my sould to the devil, killing my neighbours, throwing up all the FPS i've ever loved in my life, and maybe has sex with some of the team member !!! ... well maybe not that far ...)

The REAL fans are still waiting after it, and on the 3.5 millions people who bought DN3D, there are still a HUGE LOT who are craving a sequel.
So if the demand is there, i guess that a new team should be created (bigger than the orginal one but with same base people i would say) and i'm sure that within a year the game could be out ...

But the main problem has now come ... money has now become a problem ...
You guys should start some paypal donation group, i'm sure fan would give you money just to get it done ...
Just make an easy calculation ... 3.5 million fan still here ... 10 bucks by people ... 35 millions (maybe i'm dreaming a bit about these numbers but even a 10 million dollars would do the trick ... developper would do the rest ... but please do not pick the gay take two guys anymore ^^)

Anyways, posting this thing, i've never meant to hurt anymore or do a second "Scott-like" article, i just wanted to testimony how much DN has changed my life and how much i'm waiting for a sequel.

And please other people, don't be too hard with critism about 3D realms team job ... making a game isn't that easy after all, especially when you have to do something as much or more cool has Duke Nukem 3D.

So peace people and ... always bet on Duke

ReadOnly · 12-23-2009, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tang Lung

Guy deserves a second chance

No, he doesn't.

AndrewOfHell · 12-23-2009, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabriel

Hello,

My name is Gabriel, I'm from Belgium, I'm 20 years old now.

I just wanted to drop a word about all the stuff i've read on this forum the last 2 months (yup, it took me time to read all this stuffà

When DN3D went out, i was only 6 years old, it's the first FPS i've owned, the first i've bought (my big bro bought it for me at that time). This game has inspired my whole life, so far that now, i'm internationally recognised gamer, i spend my time playing FPS games and contesting all around the world.

Now that you've got a brief description of what type of gamer you got in front of you let me tell you this;

3D realms team has, IMO, never been the source of the delay of DN4E, and i don't think that George Broussard was the main bad guy who did prevent the game from comin onto the shelves ... I guess that the main problem, and to the elements that i've been told about, is that the developping team wasn't big enough. Let me explain a bit better : at the time DN3D went out, the computer were fu**ing 486 with 16MB of RAM and computers game were not evolving as fast as what we've seen in the following years. GB has always wanted to make DN the best looking game sequel possible, and this I can understand. But after DN3D, the game industry started to accelerate the tech progresses, thanks to computing speed improvements, and this is what caused the fail of DN4E.
The problem of developping games (i work for a well know development company too but cannot say wich since i'm force to hold industrial secrecy) is that when you think about some stuff, either it has already been done, either the time it took you to think about it and develop it makes it already look outdated. This is the main reason why you need more than 30 people to think at the same idea. I think that the decision not to use a bigger amount to people was the main fault in this case. History has teached us a great thing, nothing is impossible if you got means to do it. The means in here wasn't switching to the best game engine, neither getting the latest goodies from the others games, it was just getting the game nice and out in time, wich as we all know, failed epicly.
You all know Duke has never needed any kind of perfection in it ... the good receipy of Duke sequel is kickass action, humoristic taunts and some bits of aliens spread over the wall. 3D perfection is not what DN is/ should be intended to. The DN3D fans (wich I am) just want to get their computer childhood back on the shelves at any cost.

Money wasn't the problem, technical knowledges were not the problem, GB himself wasn't the problem. I think that the problem is that 3D realms tried to keep the same team as for DN3D, working as a big family and incorporating the fewest people as possible to create the game. And this is what caused the delay then the destruction of DN myth.

For my last words, i would say that if DN4E was now on shelves i would pay more that 100 buck just to have my copy, i guess i could do incredible things just to get it (selling my sould to the devil, killing my neighbours, throwing up all the FPS i've ever loved in my life, and maybe has sex with some of the team member !!! ... well maybe not that far ...)

The REAL fans are still waiting after it, and on the 3.5 millions people who bought DN3D, there are still a HUGE LOT who are craving a sequel.
So if the demand is there, i guess that a new team should be created (bigger than the orginal one but with same base people i would say) and i'm sure that within a year the game could be out ...

But the main problem has now come ... money has now become a problem ...
You guys should start some paypal donation group, i'm sure fan would give you money just to get it done ...
Just make an easy calculation ... 3.5 million fan still here ... 10 bucks by people ... 35 millions (maybe i'm dreaming a bit about these numbers but even a 10 million dollars would do the trick ... developper would do the rest ... but please do not pick the gay take two guys anymore ^^)

Anyways, posting this thing, i've never meant to hurt anymore or do a second "Scott-like" article, i just wanted to testimony how much DN has changed my life and how much i'm waiting for a sequel.

And please other people, don't be too hard with critism about 3D realms team job ... making a game isn't that easy after all, especially when you have to do something as much or more cool has Duke Nukem 3D.

So peace people and ... always bet on Duke

My god that was bloody interesting. Maybe a Paypal thing would not be such a bad idea...but seeing as the development team has been abandoned it would be hard as to who should be given it.

Long Live Duke!!!

Tang Lung · 12-23-2009, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReadOnly

No, he doesn't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tang Lung

assuming it was his passion that got him where he was.

If he was a lazy, self important waster then sure I agree.

ReadOnly · 12-23-2009, 12:15 PM

Either way he was useless as a project lead since the game never get released. Whether he was lazy or too passionate.

Elven6 · 12-23-2009, 12:57 PM

If this is true, it's not surprising but the original Duke3D was very advanced, hell, I still remember playing a game of pool using my feet! The team wanted perfection, I doubt they could achieve that but they could have came close to it and from what I'm hearing, they did!

I don't thing we should blame George, in the end he and the other team only wanted the best for the fans. They turned out various milestone incentives to boot, had they sold out you could blame them but they didn't.

KaiserSoze · 12-23-2009, 03:16 PM

The problem with DNF was that it was George's baby and he didn't know when to "let it go" ie: get it finished. Just like parents that have kids, they eventually grow up and you have to let them go into the world and on their own. Sounds like Raphael got in a bit late to get DNF out the door. He came close but sadly, George's kid never graduated from high school.

I can't fault him for wanting to put the best possible product out to the public/fans. I admire that he was actively listening to fans and trying to give us the latest tech and "cool shit". I admire that throughout the years, he never gave up, no matter what he was up to. He could have easily thrown in the towel years ago(some may argue he did in fact do that) but I'm happy he stayed the course and continued the game's production(even when there wasn't much getting done on it).

Now his skills in being the overall head to steer the game and get it over the top? Not so good, even bad. It's obvious he needed someone like Raphael to come in because George had gotten tunnel vision.

Good article. Not terribly surprising. I'd say more bittersweet.

Merry Christmas!

I still Believe!

wayskobfssae · 12-23-2009, 04:21 PM

Wow... I knew it was kinda like this, but I never would've thought it was THAT bad.

That would have to be pretty depressing though. To have such a god-like game and just not realizing that such a thing could never happen again, no matter how good you or your team is. The market is far too oversaturated now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewOfHell

My god that was bloody interesting. Maybe a Paypal thing would not be such a bad idea...but seeing as the development team has been abandoned it would be hard as to who should be given it.

Long Live Duke!!!

I emailed George a few months ago when the disaster news was first announced and offered up a couple thousand. Didn't even get a "No, thank you." I guess there's no point till the lawsuit is over. If T2 wins, it doesn't matter anyhow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tang Lung

I wonder what would happen if George go his hands on the game again. I also wonder what he will do next. Doomed to release shovelware and cheap arcade games? I hope not. Guy deserves a second chance, assuming it was his passion that got home where he was.

Second chance? Wouldn't this be like his 50th chance?

prophecy holder · 12-23-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wayskobfssae

Second chance? Wouldn't this be like his 50th chance?

50? We gave him over a decade of chances lol.

TripleH · 12-24-2009, 03:27 AM

second chance? what are u guys talking about? Another 12 years?????? thx but noooo

And to the guy who thinks they didnt release it couse of small team.. well they had money and could easily get more people, so in that case the project manager should be blamed for not hiring more people

Kokoro · 12-24-2009, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacho

As everyone should know some truth is in the article but some is also not so accurate... you must take it with a grain of salt until the real story gets told after all this legal stuff is done with.

Do you know what really happened?

Unstop · 12-24-2009, 01:58 PM

I just can't believe this happened. I mean I do believe it but I find it unacceptable. The only thing the team can do to rectify the situation is release the game and it has to be good. Otherwise they will live in infamy for the rest of their lives.

prophecy holder · 12-24-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Unstop

I just can't believe this happened. I mean I do believe it but I find it unacceptable. The only thing the team can do to rectify the situation is release the game and it has to be good. Otherwise they will live in infamy for the rest of their lives.

The game has to be better than fantastic for it to be worth the wait and the hype.

George Broussard · 12-27-2009, 01:24 PM

You'd be ill advised to take much of that article seriously. It's pretty biased and one-sided, like much of the news you see on CNN

French · 12-27-2009, 01:33 PM

After reading that article, I don't think we can blame George Broussard for anything.

I mean, if it's true he just wanted to make a perfect, an over-the-top game, he didn't want to disappoint the fans. It's is only mistake : he wanted to make a perfect game, but a great one would have been enough.

But I still hope the game will be released ( and I hope that the facebook page is DNF related ). Always bet on Duke !

And sorry for my english.

Esatche · 12-27-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

You'd be ill advised to take much of that article seriously. It's pretty biased and one-sided, like much of the news you see on CNN

and 3DRealms...... wait we don't get news just fake transparent BS. You have cried wolf for way to long and yet you still want us to what?!?!? believe the hype? I don't think so, why don't you do yourself and us a favor and admit defeat and let an actual developer finish the game.

George Broussard · 12-27-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Esatche

and 3DRealms...... wait we don't get news just fake transparent BS. You have cried wolf for way to long and yet you still want us to what?!?!? believe the hype? I don't think so, why don't you do yourself and us a favor and admit defeat and let an actual developer finish the game.

I don't actually want you to do anything other than live your life, play other games, and if we ever release solid product information you can decide what to do then. Please do me a favor and try to understand the complexity of the situation. Nearly 99.9% of the statements and assumptions made on this matter in these forums is just misguided and false. Please stop assuming things.

Baboy · 12-27-2009, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Broussard

I don't actually want you to do anything other than live your life, play other games, and if we ever release solid product information you can decide what to do then. Please do me a favor and try to understand the complexity of the situation. Nearly 99.9% of the statements and assumptions made on this matter in these forums is just misguided and false. Please stop assuming things.

People tend to assume things and take things for granted when info is minimal. The info about DNF has been nearly inexistent from 2001. Now it's even worse. Don't be surprised if articles or people write wrong (?) informations. You can't/won't talk clearly, fine. Let us at least speculate.

George Broussard · 12-27-2009, 04:44 PM

Then feel free to drive yourself crazy with speculation while wondering why we don't do things that seem very obvious to you, but that are very far from simple or obvious.

The best thing to do when there's little to no information is to speculate and make stuff up or make giant leaps of logic! Everyone knows that!

Carry on.

DerricktheW · 12-27-2009, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Broussard

Then feel free to drive yourself crazy with speculation while wondering why we don't do things that seem very obvious to you, but that are very far from simple or obvious.

The best thing to do when there's little to no information is to speculate and make stuff up or make giant leaps of logic! Everyone knows that!

Carry on.

Escort missions where you have to carry babes to safety confirmed!

Baboy · 12-27-2009, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Broussard

Then feel free to drive yourself crazy with speculation while wondering why we don't do things that seem very obvious to you, but that are very far from simple or obvious.

The best thing to do when there's little to no information is to speculate and make stuff up or make giant leaps of logic! Everyone knows that!

Carry on.

I have my happy life with our without DNF, but I want to play this game. When new info or something comes out, I'm all hyped and come here. Is it our fault the official information is less than the leaks? No. Is it our fault the game is taking so long to be made? No. Is it our fault we liked DN3D and want a sequel? Not really, no, it's natural.

If you want us to carry on, close the forum, close yourself in dead silence, tell Scott to stop teasing us, and close what's left of 3DR in a bunker and work 24 hours a day, and only come back when the game is done. If that isn't the case though, don't be surprised that there are such reactions to every piece of news that comes out. Instead of telling us to mind our own business, you should be happy you have fans that still care after 13 years, and want to know the most information possible.

George Broussard · 12-27-2009, 04:53 PM

Baboy, you sure put a lot of words in my mouth that I didn't say.

Baboy · 12-27-2009, 04:57 PM

Minus the last phrase everything is a direct reaction to your words. The thread you just closed, considering it had various posts deleted, had something like 200+ posts. In like 15 hours. On the forum of a believed-dead place. The thread is a about a hint about a believed-dead game. People are REALLY interested in DNF after everything that happened. Take account of that: people don't want to carry on, they just want to play DNF. Why are you surprised then when false assumptions are done?

ultra tree 85! · 12-27-2009, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Broussard

I don't actually want you to do anything other than live your life, play other games, and if we ever release solid product information you can decide what to do then.

George, the only thing that I really want right now is just a simple affirmation of your intention to see the project through to eventual release. Just a slight, but solid indication of this would satisfy many fans who now question your resolve to complete Duke Nukem Forever even after the case is resolved.

Filth Wizard · 12-27-2009, 05:04 PM

George, can you say anything about what is happening at the duke-nukem facebook fan page?

DerricktheW · 12-27-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ultra tree 85!

George, the only thing that I really want right now is just a simple affirmation of your intention to see the project through to eventual release. Just a slight, but solid indication of this would satisfy many fans who now question your resolve to complete Duke Nukem Forever even after the case is resolved.

I think even that would be ammo for these lawyers.

NUKEMDAVE · 12-27-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ultra tree 85!

George, the only thing that I really want right now is just a simple affirmation of your intention to see the project through to eventual release. Just a slight, but solid indication of this would satisfy many fans who now question your resolve to complete Duke Nukem Forever even after the case is resolved.

Seconded! That's just what I was about to type.

Angelo86 · 12-27-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Filth Wizard

George, can you say anything about what is happening at the duke-nukem facebook fan page?

Ok George is not answering anymore, he ended the batteries for his keyboard.

Duke's New Chainsaw · 12-27-2009, 05:12 PM

Because he would just be repeating himself.

I'm surprised he even bothered this much.

Esatche · 12-27-2009, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Broussard

I don't actually want you to do anything other than live your life, play other games, and if we ever release solid product information you can decide what to do then. Please do me a favor and try to understand the complexity of the situation. Nearly 99.9% of the statements and assumptions made on this matter in these forums is just misguided and false. Please stop assuming things.

Well then make it SOLID product information and not this coded secret "we may or may not" be working on it crap.

I do live my life and I do play many other games, but you have been nothing but down right cruel (I say cruel being nice) to all of us fans/supporters regarding DNF. I have not assumed anything and go by what we fans are given and all that seems to be is your guys sick mind games. I have been following it since the first announcement of DNF. I also understand the complexity of the situation you guys are in now but what did you expect after all these years and nothing to show? Did you honestly expect to get money from a company up front with your track record? BE SERIOUS! And to make matters worse for all of us LONG LONG LONG and short term fans you guys continue to dick tease all of with NOTHING but bullshit viral marketing which if you guys have not noticed is not helping your rep and at this point it may not be possible to get any worse. For crying out loud all we want is what you said you would deliver years ago we don't want your cheesy ports/hand held knock offs. Do you expect all of us to be smiles and understandable with what youve done? Not to mention after the "complexity" of your situation (that you got yourself into to begin with and dragged us down with you), and the dust settles if you have any plans to finish DNF (laughable) I'm sure you are going to start over AGAIN. Yes the videos and clips I have seen of the game did look pretty good but lets be honest they already look dated ala Doom3 and Prey graphics. This is just a continuous LOOP that we fans/supporters want to come to an end one way or another. NO MORE SCREWING WITH US,,, I THINK YOU OWE US AN UP FRONT ANSWER WHEN YOU CAN DELIVER IT, LET IT DIE OR FINISH IT

P.S. Thanks for responding to my post, to be honest I didn't even think you had that much courtesy in you.

Filth Wizard · 12-27-2009, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelo86

Ok George is not answering anymore, he ended the batteries for his keyboard.

hehe, yup

12-23-2009, 03:57 AM	#41
zwieback	Re: Wired DNF article today or tomorrow.. comon duke!!! __________________ They Live - "Brother, life's a b*tch, and she's back in heat!" <- put that in forever.. please :)

12-23-2009, 04:59 AM	#42
TripleH	Re: Wired DNF article Interesting article. Hail to the King

12-23-2009, 05:25 AM	#43
Kennerado	Re: Wired DNF article None of this is news to us and none of it is surprising. The lower salary thing is pretty shocking, trying to sweeten the deal with "profits from every game you ship as long as you work here". At the time I was pissed when I heard guys like Wieder and Aldie left, but in retrospect I would of done the exact same thing. The only good thing that came from DNF was posting on these forums with pretty much the most mature/smart gaming crowd I have seen. __________________ "Mark it ZERO!"

12-23-2009, 05:33 AM	#44
X-Vector	Re: Wired DNF article You must visit some shitty forums. __________________ We're on an express elevator to hell... going clown. HELLO, MY FRIEND - freindship make a happiness double times and divide sadness half and make us remove our unhappiness. Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb

12-23-2009, 06:20 AM	#45
Nacho	Re: Wired DNF article As everyone should know some truth is in the article but some is also not so accurate... you must take it with a grain of salt until the real story gets told after all this legal stuff is done with.

12-23-2009, 06:31 AM	#47
Nacho	Re: Wired DNF article No, just that everyone who worked at 3DR are not really allowed to talk due to legal mumbo jumbo holding them at bay so while this story may have 'some' truth to it (some is accurate... other parts not so much) nothing can really be confirmed or denied due to the insinuating court case.

12-23-2009, 06:52 AM	#48
Tang Lung	Re: Wired DNF article I wonder what would happen if George go his hands on the game again. I also wonder what he will do next. Doomed to release shovelware and cheap arcade games? I hope not. Guy deserves a second chance, assuming it was his passion that got home where he was. __________________ "I'd like to begin by saying **** Lance Armstrong" MOON PRINCESS POWER!

12-23-2009, 10:00 AM	#50
Gabriel	Re: Wired DNF article Hello, My name is Gabriel, I'm from Belgium, I'm 20 years old now. I just wanted to drop a word about all the stuff i've read on this forum the last 2 months (yup, it took me time to read all this stuffà When DN3D went out, i was only 6 years old, it's the first FPS i've owned, the first i've bought (my big bro bought it for me at that time). This game has inspired my whole life, so far that now, i'm internationally recognised gamer, i spend my time playing FPS games and contesting all around the world. Now that you've got a brief description of what type of gamer you got in front of you let me tell you this; 3D realms team has, IMO, never been the source of the delay of DN4E, and i don't think that George Broussard was the main bad guy who did prevent the game from comin onto the shelves ... I guess that the main problem, and to the elements that i've been told about, is that the developping team wasn't big enough. Let me explain a bit better : at the time DN3D went out, the computer were fu**ing 486 with 16MB of RAM and computers game were not evolving as fast as what we've seen in the following years. GB has always wanted to make DN the best looking game sequel possible, and this I can understand. But after DN3D, the game industry started to accelerate the tech progresses, thanks to computing speed improvements, and this is what caused the fail of DN4E. The problem of developping games (i work for a well know development company too but cannot say wich since i'm force to hold industrial secrecy) is that when you think about some stuff, either it has already been done, either the time it took you to think about it and develop it makes it already look outdated. This is the main reason why you need more than 30 people to think at the same idea. I think that the decision not to use a bigger amount to people was the main fault in this case. History has teached us a great thing, nothing is impossible if you got means to do it. The means in here wasn't switching to the best game engine, neither getting the latest goodies from the others games, it was just getting the game nice and out in time, wich as we all know, failed epicly. You all know Duke has never needed any kind of perfection in it ... the good receipy of Duke sequel is kickass action, humoristic taunts and some bits of aliens spread over the wall. 3D perfection is not what DN is/ should be intended to. The DN3D fans (wich I am) just want to get their computer childhood back on the shelves at any cost. Money wasn't the problem, technical knowledges were not the problem, GB himself wasn't the problem. I think that the problem is that 3D realms tried to keep the same team as for DN3D, working as a big family and incorporating the fewest people as possible to create the game. And this is what caused the delay then the destruction of DN myth. For my last words, i would say that if DN4E was now on shelves i would pay more that 100 buck just to have my copy, i guess i could do incredible things just to get it (selling my sould to the devil, killing my neighbours, throwing up all the FPS i've ever loved in my life, and maybe has sex with some of the team member !!! ... well maybe not that far ...) The REAL fans are still waiting after it, and on the 3.5 millions people who bought DN3D, there are still a HUGE LOT who are craving a sequel. So if the demand is there, i guess that a new team should be created (bigger than the orginal one but with same base people i would say) and i'm sure that within a year the game could be out ... But the main problem has now come ... money has now become a problem ... You guys should start some paypal donation group, i'm sure fan would give you money just to get it done ... Just make an easy calculation ... 3.5 million fan still here ... 10 bucks by people ... 35 millions (maybe i'm dreaming a bit about these numbers but even a 10 million dollars would do the trick ... developper would do the rest ... but please do not pick the gay take two guys anymore ^^) Anyways, posting this thing, i've never meant to hurt anymore or do a second "Scott-like" article, i just wanted to testimony how much DN has changed my life and how much i'm waiting for a sequel. And please other people, don't be too hard with critism about 3D realms team job ... making a game isn't that easy after all, especially when you have to do something as much or more cool has Duke Nukem 3D. So peace people and ... always bet on Duke

12-23-2009, 12:15 PM	#54
ReadOnly	Re: Wired DNF article Either way he was useless as a project lead since the game never get released. Whether he was lazy or too passionate.

12-23-2009, 12:57 PM	#55
Elven6	Re: Wired DNF article If this is true, it's not surprising but the original Duke3D was very advanced, hell, I still remember playing a game of pool using my feet! The team wanted perfection, I doubt they could achieve that but they could have came close to it and from what I'm hearing, they did! I don't thing we should blame George, in the end he and the other team only wanted the best for the fans. They turned out various milestone incentives to boot, had they sold out you could blame them but they didn't.

12-23-2009, 03:16 PM	#56
KaiserSoze	Re: Wired DNF article The problem with DNF was that it was George's baby and he didn't know when to "let it go" ie: get it finished. Just like parents that have kids, they eventually grow up and you have to let them go into the world and on their own. Sounds like Raphael got in a bit late to get DNF out the door. He came close but sadly, George's kid never graduated from high school. I can't fault him for wanting to put the best possible product out to the public/fans. I admire that he was actively listening to fans and trying to give us the latest tech and "cool shit". I admire that throughout the years, he never gave up, no matter what he was up to. He could have easily thrown in the towel years ago(some may argue he did in fact do that) but I'm happy he stayed the course and continued the game's production(even when there wasn't much getting done on it). Now his skills in being the overall head to steer the game and get it over the top? Not so good, even bad. It's obvious he needed someone like Raphael to come in because George had gotten tunnel vision. Good article. Not terribly surprising. I'd say more bittersweet. Merry Christmas! I still Believe!

12-24-2009, 03:27 AM	#59
TripleH	Re: Wired DNF article second chance? what are u guys talking about? Another 12 years?????? thx but noooo And to the guy who thinks they didnt release it couse of small team.. well they had money and could easily get more people, so in that case the project manager should be blamed for not hiring more people

12-24-2009, 01:58 PM	#61
Unstop	Re: Wired DNF article I just can't believe this happened. I mean I do believe it but I find it unacceptable. The only thing the team can do to rectify the situation is release the game and it has to be good. Otherwise they will live in infamy for the rest of their lives.

12-27-2009, 01:24 PM	#63
George Broussard	Re: Wired DNF article You'd be ill advised to take much of that article seriously. It's pretty biased and one-sided, like much of the news you see on CNN

12-27-2009, 01:33 PM	#64
French	Re: Wired DNF article After reading that article, I don't think we can blame George Broussard for anything. I mean, if it's true he just wanted to make a perfect, an over-the-top game, he didn't want to disappoint the fans. It's is only mistake : he wanted to make a perfect game, but a great one would have been enough. But I still hope the game will be released ( and I hope that the facebook page is DNF related ). Always bet on Duke ! And sorry for my english.

12-27-2009, 04:44 PM	#68
George Broussard	Re: Wired DNF article Then feel free to drive yourself crazy with speculation while wondering why we don't do things that seem very obvious to you, but that are very far from simple or obvious. The best thing to do when there's little to no information is to speculate and make stuff up or make giant leaps of logic! Everyone knows that! Carry on.

12-27-2009, 04:53 PM	#71
George Broussard	Re: Wired DNF article Baboy, you sure put a lot of words in my mouth that I didn't say.

12-27-2009, 04:57 PM	#72
Baboy	Re: Wired DNF article Minus the last phrase everything is a direct reaction to your words. The thread you just closed, considering it had various posts deleted, had something like 200+ posts. In like 15 hours. On the forum of a believed-dead place. The thread is a about a hint about a believed-dead game. People are REALLY interested in DNF after everything that happened. Take account of that: people don't want to carry on, they just want to play DNF. Why are you surprised then when false assumptions are done?

12-27-2009, 05:04 PM	#74
Filth Wizard	Re: Wired DNF article George, can you say anything about what is happening at the duke-nukem facebook fan page?

12-27-2009, 05:12 PM	#78
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Wired DNF article Because he would just be repeating himself. I'm surprised he even bothered this much. __________________ The Great Communicator!