Wired DNF article

The Cacodemon · 12-21-2009, 05:17 PM

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/fail_duke_nukem/

Duke's New Chainsaw · 12-21-2009, 05:58 PM

Always Bet On [3DR]!

SpinX · 12-21-2009, 06:17 PM

its sooo sad to read this... I hope scott miller has one last trick up his sleeve and saves himself and duke from ultimate downfall...

I don't want a bashfest on George here... but this article is a punch in his face IMO...

Baboy · 12-21-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SpinX

its sooo sad to read this... I hope scott miller has one last trick up his sleeve and saves himself and duke from ultimate downfall...

I don't want a bashfest on George here... but this article is a punch in his face IMO...

I don't want a bashfest either, but you can't say he wouldn't deserve it. This article said it all. 3DR failed to make a single game in over 12 years thanks to a crazy behaviour of wanting to make a perfect game - noone can do that, there's no such thing. If 3DR failed to realize that they live in a dream world, and can not make the perfect product, then they are not mature enough to make business. It's sad to think that 3DR failed to make a "real" 3D game in the end.

AndrewOfHell · 12-21-2009, 06:27 PM

Hang in there people.

Duke doesn't stay down

JobivanHiob · 12-21-2009, 06:50 PM

very informative article!!! The exclusive info from ex-devs is highly interesting!
But reading it makes me sad too...

Quote:

Despite more than a decade of waiting, the excitement over the game is still remarkably high; its die-hard fans might be the most patient on earth.

thanks Wired Magazine! Yes I guess we are the most patient fans on earth and I'm proud to be part of it!

despite all this what happened there is this bright light at the end of the tunnel personated by Scott Miller that has something up his sleeves...

Stay tuned...Duke doesn't stay down long!

MegaMustaine · 12-21-2009, 06:56 PM

Fairly weak article if you ask me. It had almost zero sources. It will be interesting to see if the actual story of what happened ever comes out.

Steve · 12-21-2009, 06:59 PM

Some sources wanted to remain anonymous. But the stuff I HAVE heard of, had no sources, no.

JobivanHiob · 12-21-2009, 07:00 PM

well it lacked some information that we already know thats true! But I see it more as a source for new information than a complete look on the history of DNF!

Yes George gets treated very harsh in this article! Although I get the feeling that it's true, I feel pitty for George!

Hey George if you read this, I respect and love your dedication for DNF although you had to let your team go in May. You were hitting milestones and it would have been done around end of 2009 it seems. You earned it to get it done with the help from Brian Hook and Isaac Tramell and the rest of you team. Well I hope you still will be active in the game industry, you famous talent as the industry's best "shit filter" shouldn't lie to waste. And if you decide to leave the industry, just remember of the good days!

Duke's New Chainsaw · 12-21-2009, 07:27 PM

Yeah the article is full of what we know already really.

MegaMustaine · 12-21-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve

Some sources wanted to remain anonymous.

I understand that, but they didn't even really quote those anonymous sources. The article also made it seem like the 2001 version of the game was near completion or at least on its way and we know that wasn't the case. It seems like this article is just a lot of speculation without much factual evidence to back it up. It seems as if they took all the theories and hearsay out of the forums and published it.

Steve · 12-21-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MegaMustaine

It seems as if they took all the theories and hearsay out of the forums and published it.

Funny you should say that. That's actually happened... more than once

Duke's New Chainsaw · 12-21-2009, 08:50 PM

It would be interesting to know what's really been going on.

Man, if only someone who was there through it all would write a book about it...

Steve · 12-21-2009, 08:56 PM

But will we EVER know? Damn I wish.

Angelo86 · 12-22-2009, 07:24 AM

marioman360 · 12-22-2009, 07:55 AM

Rapture_Rising · 12-22-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by marioman360

Your right... that article did play out like a Behind the Music (or in south parks case, blow) episode.

Esatche · 12-22-2009, 09:18 AM

DNF in its current state is dead without question everyone knows it but most are in denial, leaving us with nothing again. I hope 3DR loses the rights so we may one day see the game.

Whats with the genius remarks regarding GB? He's not a genius, has a severe case of OCD and a fear of not being number 1. You never had to be number 1 to make a good game. Epic 13 year failure. Good job

I also find it typical that 3DR is trying to make TT the enemy in a failed attempt to make themselves the victim. Take Two did the right thing, as they see it: 3DR cant produce a damn thing and they want what?!?!?!? more money.... hmmmm I don't think so not without some kind of end/product in sight.

Unstop · 12-22-2009, 09:32 AM

George B does not know how to manage a company and should of hired someone else. 20 million down the drain without producing anything is beyond acceptable, it shows tendencies of being a complete idiot.

He should of stuck with Quake 2 instead of trying to reboot the project over, and over, and over.

Frankly at this point, considering how long I been waiting for this game, George B you can go to hell sir. Get your shit together and finish the game, you owe us that much you son of a bitch. Duke Nukem would spit on your grave sir for what you have done.

Esatche · 12-22-2009, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unstop

George B does not know how to manage a company and should of hired someone else. 20 million down the drain without producing anything is beyond acceptable, it shows tendencies of being a complete idiot.

He should of stuck with Quake 2 instead of trying to reboot the project over, and over, and over.

Frankly at this point, considering how long I been waiting for this game, George B you can go to hell sir. Get your shit together and finish the game, you owe us that much you son of a bitch. Duke Nukem would spit on your grave sir for what you have done.

well said

SpinX · 12-22-2009, 10:40 AM

it still is mindblowing that they threw the 2001 version down the garbage bin...

everybody, litteraly everybody! wanted that game!

Steve · 12-22-2009, 10:47 AM

It looked amazing. I'm not talking about the "gfx lolololol" I'm talking about the gameplay. And from what I had seen back then... oh my

zwieback · 12-22-2009, 11:29 AM

i'm very disappointed by wire magazine. this article is based on information back in may 2009. we're here in the IT industry. ******* wake up, you blatant "funny" idiots. that's 7 (seven) months ago and things are moving fast.
lame.

and now 3drealms: for the love of god: WE WANT TRAILER NOW.

0marTheZealot · 12-22-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SpinX

it still is mindblowing that they threw the 2001 version down the garbage bin...

everybody, litteraly everybody! wanted that game!

that wasn't a game, it was just a montage of scenes. I don't think 3DR ever had a version of the game that was shippable within a reasonable time frame, save for this latest build.

KaiserSoze · 12-22-2009, 12:03 PM

I also hold the theory that not being accountable to a publisher for a deadline for development is what ultimately killed the game/company.

The part where George apparently said "we can go years without releasing anything" is horrifying *IF* true.

Irregardless of all this mess there's a few things.

1) It is amazing there is a very active fan base for this game to this day. Over 7,000 fans have already joined the Duke Nukem Facebook fan page. That's in just a few months time. Pretty damn impressive for a character that hasn't seen a new game release in years.

2) The game can absolutely be salvaged and released. It appears to have been very far along.

What I think is happening now is we have some massive egos ramming heads between 3dr/Take 2. They all need to get together in a freaking meeting room behind closed doors, apologize to each other for all the past bullshit and come to some type of agreement to get this resolved and save the game.

Yes, probably easier said then done but why not try?

I believe!(TM)

zwieback · 12-22-2009, 12:37 PM

/me believes it already happened

SpinX · 12-22-2009, 12:43 PM

why doesn't anybody know when the court date is? So we can actually abandon any hope of news untill that date and we can spare ourselves a lot of time...

If George or Scott reads this, can they please have the respect to give us a date...

crunchy superman · 12-22-2009, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaiserSoze

What I think is happening now is we have some massive egos ramming heads between 3dr/Take 2. They all need to get together in a freaking meeting room behind closed doors, apologize to each other for all the past bullshit

Yes, but this is exactly what massive egos will not do.

I'd love to believe, but 3DR used up all the faith credits I had in them. I simply won't believe anything they say or do anymore until I see the game on a store shelf. Even then, that DNF will not be the DNF I was waiting for. That game was killed off in '02 or '03.

X-Vector · 12-22-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by crunchy superman

Even then, that DNF will not be the DNF I was waiting for. That game was killed off in '02 or '03.

That's a strange realisation and something that I expected a good while ago, but it wasn't until I saw footage of the 2006+ build that it really it home.

8 Minutes? More like 10 years and counting, amirite?

Talos · 12-22-2009, 02:05 PM

Oh my... seeing that shot remindes me how bad I wanted to play this build when I was in school. In SCHOOL. I feel old now thx.

mysteryperfecta · 12-22-2009, 04:36 PM

The Wired article articulates what most of us long-time followers suspected-- whether or not the pieces of the pie chart are in correct proportion, those three obstacles are the ones we've always cited in our speculation.

3dr simply missed their window of opportunity, where a small-but-talented dev team, with enough time and capital, could produce a AAA title. Now, the AAA titles are created by enormous teams at enormous cost.

Its a shame.

prophecy holder · 12-22-2009, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpinX

it still is mindblowing that they threw the 2001 version down the garbage bin...

everybody, litteraly everybody! wanted that game!

Everyone indeed wanting that version since that trailer alone gave off a true Duke nukem 3D sequel vibe. The newer one only looked like a Prey clone, George pretty much sealed the companies doom when he decided to not release that version of DNF.

Kray · 12-22-2009, 07:27 PM

The moral of the story is if you're waiting for everything to be perfect you will never get anything done. I'm grateful to Wired for writing this article and confirming what I have been saying for years, being this whole train wreck can be laid at GB's feet.

I can't say anything more negative about GB than has already been said. He knows what a huge cluster DNF has become but his arrogance won't let him admit it. Look how he has been pretty much shunning the media for the last 12 years, he does not want to answer for the mess he has made. He's like the Howard Hughes of video games. Notice how he is trying to blame TT now, like some kind of brat kid that gets caught being bad and then wants to focus the blame & attention elsewhere.

Duke's New Chainsaw · 12-22-2009, 11:00 PM

There's nothing really new at all in that article. Plus, according to others there's a lot more that can be said.

0marTheZealot · 12-23-2009, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Talos

Oh my... seeing that shot remindes me how bad I wanted to play this build when I was in school. In SCHOOL. I feel old now thx.

lol me too, I was in 8th grade when I found out that DNF was coming out next year. I'm almost done with my PhD now.

Scooter · 12-23-2009, 12:07 AM

so ****in sad

Steve · 12-23-2009, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0marTheZealot

lol me too, I was in 8th grade when I found out that DNF was coming out next year. I'm almost done with my PhD now.

Tell me about it. I've purchased and paid off a house in that time

Yatta · 12-23-2009, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 0marTheZealot

lol me too, I was in 8th grade when I found out that DNF was coming out next year. I'm almost done with my PhD now.

Eh, don't get me started. I was in the seventh grade when my friend promised to buy me DNF for my 13th birthday.

I now have a year before I get my B.A. in political science.

kj_57701 · 12-23-2009, 01:32 AM

I was living in Scandinavia at that time. Started studying in the US. Got through College, got married, have kids that have started school (ended up staying in the US). Yea! Life moves on

It just hammers the proverbial nail in the Coffin deeper doesn't it? It really paints a very bleak picture of the off-chance that we might see DNF some day. Oh well!

Duke's New Chainsaw · 12-23-2009, 01:34 AM

Time to hop on the Trailer.

12-21-2009, 05:17 PM	#1
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12-21-2009, 05:58 PM	#2
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Wired DNF article Always Bet On [3DR]! __________________ The Great Communicator!

12-21-2009, 06:17 PM	#3
SpinX	Re: Wired DNF article its sooo sad to read this... I hope scott miller has one last trick up his sleeve and saves himself and duke from ultimate downfall... I don't want a bashfest on George here... but this article is a punch in his face IMO... __________________ waiting for: Elite sequel, Half life 3, Diablo3, DNF Enough is enough! I've had it with these motherxxxxxx delays on this motherxxxxxx game :) http://www.youtube.com/user/ftbfelix

12-21-2009, 06:27 PM	#5
AndrewOfHell	Re: Wired DNF article Hang in there people. Duke doesn't stay down

12-21-2009, 06:56 PM	#7
MegaMustaine	Re: Wired DNF article Fairly weak article if you ask me. It had almost zero sources. It will be interesting to see if the actual story of what happened ever comes out. __________________ This signature is a 77/100!

12-21-2009, 06:59 PM	#8
Steve	Re: Wired DNF article Some sources wanted to remain anonymous. But the stuff I HAVE heard of, had no sources, no.

12-21-2009, 07:00 PM	#9
JobivanHiob	Re: Wired DNF article well it lacked some information that we already know thats true! But I see it more as a source for new information than a complete look on the history of DNF! Yes George gets treated very harsh in this article! Although I get the feeling that it's true, I feel pitty for George! Hey George if you read this, I respect and love your dedication for DNF although you had to let your team go in May. You were hitting milestones and it would have been done around end of 2009 it seems. You earned it to get it done with the help from Brian Hook and Isaac Tramell and the rest of you team. Well I hope you still will be active in the game industry, you famous talent as the industry's best "shit filter" shouldn't lie to waste. And if you decide to leave the industry, just remember of the good days! __________________ Stay up to date with http://dukewatch.blogspot.com for the UNEXPECTED and PREPARE YOURSELF for SHOCK and AWESOME on Penny Arcade EXPO from September 3-5! Onebullit: "If DNF comes out in 2010 i will buy 2 copies and send you one." pjVgt regading DNF at PAX:"I would seriously shit my pants and pre-order three copies - one will be sent to Jobi" Last edited by JobivanHiob; 12-21-2009 at 07:14 PM.

12-21-2009, 07:27 PM	#10
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Wired DNF article Yeah the article is full of what we know already really. __________________ The Great Communicator!

12-21-2009, 08:50 PM	#13
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Wired DNF article It would be interesting to know what's really been going on. Man, if only someone who was there through it all would write a book about it... __________________ The Great Communicator!

12-21-2009, 08:56 PM	#14
Steve	Re: Wired DNF article But will we EVER know? Damn I wish.

12-22-2009, 07:24 AM	#15
Angelo86	Re: Wired DNF article __________________ Jesus 4ever † Duke Nukem Facebook Last edited by Angelo86; 12-22-2009 at 07:26 AM.

12-22-2009, 07:55 AM	#16
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12-22-2009, 09:18 AM	#18
Esatche	Re: Wired DNF article DNF in its current state is dead without question everyone knows it but most are in denial, leaving us with nothing again. I hope 3DR loses the rights so we may one day see the game. Whats with the genius remarks regarding GB? He's not a genius, has a severe case of OCD and a fear of not being number 1. You never had to be number 1 to make a good game. Epic 13 year failure. Good job I also find it typical that 3DR is trying to make TT the enemy in a failed attempt to make themselves the victim. Take Two did the right thing, as they see it: 3DR cant produce a damn thing and they want what?!?!?!? more money.... hmmmm I don't think so not without some kind of end/product in sight. Last edited by Esatche; 12-22-2009 at 09:22 AM.

12-22-2009, 09:32 AM	#19
Unstop	Re: Wired DNF article George B does not know how to manage a company and should of hired someone else. 20 million down the drain without producing anything is beyond acceptable, it shows tendencies of being a complete idiot. He should of stuck with Quake 2 instead of trying to reboot the project over, and over, and over. Frankly at this point, considering how long I been waiting for this game, George B you can go to hell sir. Get your shit together and finish the game, you owe us that much you son of a bitch. Duke Nukem would spit on your grave sir for what you have done.

12-22-2009, 10:40 AM	#21
SpinX	Re: Wired DNF article it still is mindblowing that they threw the 2001 version down the garbage bin... everybody, litteraly everybody! wanted that game! __________________ waiting for: Elite sequel, Half life 3, Diablo3, DNF Enough is enough! I've had it with these motherxxxxxx delays on this motherxxxxxx game :) http://www.youtube.com/user/ftbfelix

12-22-2009, 10:47 AM	#22
Steve	Re: Wired DNF article It looked amazing. I'm not talking about the "gfx lolololol" I'm talking about the gameplay. And from what I had seen back then... oh my

12-22-2009, 11:29 AM	#23
zwieback	Re: Wired DNF article i'm very disappointed by wire magazine. this article is based on information back in may 2009. we're here in the IT industry. ******* wake up, you blatant "funny" idiots. that's 7 (seven) months ago and things are moving fast. lame. and now 3drealms: for the love of god: WE WANT TRAILER NOW. __________________ They Live - "Brother, life's a b*tch, and she's back in heat!" <- put that in forever.. please :)

12-22-2009, 12:03 PM	#25
KaiserSoze	Re: Wired DNF article I also hold the theory that not being accountable to a publisher for a deadline for development is what ultimately killed the game/company. The part where George apparently said "we can go years without releasing anything" is horrifying IF true. Irregardless of all this mess there's a few things. 1) It is amazing there is a very active fan base for this game to this day. Over 7,000 fans have already joined the Duke Nukem Facebook fan page. That's in just a few months time. Pretty damn impressive for a character that hasn't seen a new game release in years. 2) The game can absolutely be salvaged and released. It appears to have been very far along. What I think is happening now is we have some massive egos ramming heads between 3dr/Take 2. They all need to get together in a freaking meeting room behind closed doors, apologize to each other for all the past bullshit and come to some type of agreement to get this resolved and save the game. Yes, probably easier said then done but why not try? I believe!(TM) Last edited by KaiserSoze; 12-22-2009 at 12:06 PM. Reason: Added the Duke facebook blurb and "I believe!" (TM)

12-22-2009, 12:37 PM	#26
zwieback	Re: Wired DNF article /me believes it already happened __________________ They Live - "Brother, life's a b*tch, and she's back in heat!" <- put that in forever.. please :)

12-22-2009, 12:43 PM	#27
SpinX	Re: Wired DNF article why doesn't anybody know when the court date is? So we can actually abandon any hope of news untill that date and we can spare ourselves a lot of time... If George or Scott reads this, can they please have the respect to give us a date... __________________ waiting for: Elite sequel, Half life 3, Diablo3, DNF Enough is enough! I've had it with these motherxxxxxx delays on this motherxxxxxx game :) http://www.youtube.com/user/ftbfelix

12-22-2009, 02:05 PM	#30
Talos	Re: Wired DNF article Oh my... seeing that shot remindes me how bad I wanted to play this build when I was in school. In SCHOOL. I feel old now thx.

12-22-2009, 04:36 PM	#31
mysteryperfecta	Re: Wired DNF article The Wired article articulates what most of us long-time followers suspected-- whether or not the pieces of the pie chart are in correct proportion, those three obstacles are the ones we've always cited in our speculation. 3dr simply missed their window of opportunity, where a small-but-talented dev team, with enough time and capital, could produce a AAA title. Now, the AAA titles are created by enormous teams at enormous cost. Its a shame. __________________ "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.” Thomas Jefferson

12-22-2009, 07:27 PM	#33
Kray	Re: Wired DNF article The moral of the story is if you're waiting for everything to be perfect you will never get anything done. I'm grateful to Wired for writing this article and confirming what I have been saying for years, being this whole train wreck can be laid at GB's feet. I can't say anything more negative about GB than has already been said. He knows what a huge cluster DNF has become but his arrogance won't let him admit it. Look how he has been pretty much shunning the media for the last 12 years, he does not want to answer for the mess he has made. He's like the Howard Hughes of video games. Notice how he is trying to blame TT now, like some kind of brat kid that gets caught being bad and then wants to focus the blame & attention elsewhere. __________________ http://card.mygamercard.net/Rhaxx.png

12-22-2009, 11:00 PM	#34
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Wired DNF article There's nothing really new at all in that article. Plus, according to others there's a lot more that can be said. __________________ The Great Communicator!

12-23-2009, 12:07 AM	#36
Scooter	Re: Wired DNF article so ***in sad __________________ "A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti"* - Hannibal Lecter My JFDuke3D Models. Current JFDuke3D model WIP: scuba mask

12-23-2009, 01:32 AM	#39
kj_57701	Re: Wired DNF article I was living in Scandinavia at that time. Started studying in the US. Got through College, got married, have kids that have started school (ended up staying in the US). Yea! Life moves on It just hammers the proverbial nail in the Coffin deeper doesn't it? It really paints a very bleak picture of the off-chance that we might see DNF some day. Oh well!

12-23-2009, 01:34 AM	#40
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Wired DNF article Time to hop on the Trailer. __________________ The Great Communicator!