DNF Dallas Business Journal Article, 2008, and stuff

[Unbeholder]

Originally Posted by Retodon8

They refer to Spore as being vapourware-ish... which makes me think the article is old too, since there's been quite a bit of info and media released.
Or, the author is simply misinformed as has already been suggested.

no its the latest issue of PC Powerplay.. the most popular Australian PC gaming magazine.

Also i didnt realize there was a second page.... here i photo copied the rest

so it starts here

finishes here




this article was written by Darren Wells. he is a very respectable and professional writer.. if not the best writer in the whole magazine. thats why it steams me so much that he could write this horrible shit without getting one fact straight.

[rockmanekuzu8]

I FORGOT TO MENTION, BUT JOE COMMENTED ON THAT ARTICLE AT DUKE4.NET:

Joe3DR on Tuesday 19 February 2008 - 16:40:05

Comments: 2


Hahahahahahahaha.

That was funny. There's a couple things here that are so wrong, it made me laugh out loud.

No, I won't say what they are. But I love deep throat articles like this. Make me laugh.

What could Joe mean?

And the Interactivity better be crazier than Alone In the Dark. I know this game will rock, come on it's DUKE!! YEAH DUDES!!

[Yatta]

Originally Posted by Unbeholder

no its the latest issue of PC Powerplay.. the most popular Australian PC gaming magazine.

Also i didnt realize there was a second page.... here i photo copied the rest


this article was written by Darren Wells. he is a very respectable and professional writer.. if not the best writer in the whole magazine. thats why it steams me so much that he could write this horrible shit without getting one fact straight.

It's not horrible shit. Like I said earlier, he's got some of his facts wrong, but it doesn't effect the purpose of his article. He's arguing a very valid point which I think is fuel for the mind of George Broussard. I'm as much a fan of Duke as the next guy here, if not more, but I try to maintain a rational perspective on things.

[rockmanekuzu8]

Originally Posted by Yatta

It's not horrible shit. Like I said earlier, he's got some of his facts wrong, but it doesn't effect the purpose of his article. He's arguing a very valid point which I think is fuel for the mind of George Broussard. I'm as much a fan of Duke as the next guy here, if not more, but I try to maintain a rational perspective on things.

Yes indeed that's correct, but somethings need more time. In the end they pay off greatly, and that is the case with DNF. Those who wait shall receive, PERIOD.

[Unbeholder]

Originally Posted by Yatta

It's not horrible shit. Like I said earlier, he's got some of his facts wrong, but it doesn't effect the purpose of his article. He's arguing a very valid point which I think is fuel for the mind of George Broussard. I'm as much a fan of Duke as the next guy here, if not more, but I try to maintain a rational perspective on things.

indeed. the purpose of the article is to make george broussard steamed. thats a why its a horrible piece of shit.. that and he got some of his facts wrong. My perspective is rational. Your perspective is HERESY... kill the heretic !

[Retodon8]

Originally Posted by rockmanekuzu8

Joe3DR on Tuesday 19 February 2008 - 16:40:05
Hahahahahahahaha.
That was funny. There's a couple things here that are so wrong, it made me laugh out loud.
No, I won't say what they are. But I love deep throat articles like this. Make me laugh.

What could Joe mean?

The main thing he was referring to is the very first sentence of the article.
Actually... I'm really curious about this too.
As has been argued by Angilion, the author is misinformed, but I've seen much worse articles.
I don't see anything that's so wrong I can imagine it makes a developer laugh.
I guess I'll re-read the article more carefully, but we've all been very clearly warned about trying to read between the lines too much, so...

[X-Vector]

Originally Posted by Retodon8

Did you read this?
Yeah, sounds like a plan thought out well in advance.

Oh, a news update I only just found mentions it too.

Of course I've read that.
It's a nice story.

[X-Vector]

Originally Posted by Yatta

It's not horrible shit. Like I said earlier, he's got some of his facts wrong, but it doesn't effect the purpose of his article.

I wouldn't even say he's got 'facts' wrong, when it's mostly a case of semantics.
After all, when it comes to DNF very little is definitive and it is fair to call the earlier trailers "teasers" because that's exactly what they turned out to be.

There isn't anything new or particularly enlightening to be found in this article though.
Well-written filler is still filler.

[Monkey Butler]

It's a legitimate article that just happens to lean too heavily on DNF. They could just have easily subbed in Starcraft: Ghost or whatever. It was quite clearly not written to mock DNF or 3DR, it just overemphasised the vapourware-ness of DNF because it's gotten a fair bit of press lately. The point is, as X-Vector said, that the "wrong facts" about DNF are moslty just semantics, and aren't even the main thrust of the article. The main thrust of the article is whether the marketing of video games is changing, which is fairly obviously the case. Video game advertising is now becoming more and more like film advertising: how often do you see a huge deal made out a director being attached to a film? Or even before that, a script being bought by a producer? Games now seem to be announced/unveiled maybe a year or so before a forecast release date, with a teaser followed by a proper trailer, accompanied by screen-shots and interviews. In that way, it's possible that vapourware is a thing of the past.

[Angilion]

Originally Posted by Retodon8

As has been argued by Angilion, the author is misinformed, but I've seen much worse articles.

You're confusing me with someone else. I didn't make that argument. I don't think that the author is misinformed. I don't see anything wrong with the article - it's an article on the game release process and vapourware that starts off by using the most famous piece of vapourware as an example.

[Nacho]

Originally Posted by Retodon8

Did you read this?
Yeah, sounds like a plan thought out well in advance.

Oh, a news update I only just found mentions it too.

Sounds like he has a cold in that clip.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

It's a legitimate article that just happens to lean too heavily on DNF. They could just have easily subbed in Starcraft: Ghost or whatever. It was quite clearly not written to mock DNF or 3DR, it just overemphasised the vapourware-ness of DNF because it's gotten a fair bit of press lately. The point is, as X-Vector said, that the "wrong facts" about DNF are moslty just semantics, and aren't even the main thrust of the article. The main thrust of the article is whether the marketing of video games is changing, which is fairly obviously the case. Video game advertising is now becoming more and more like film advertising: how often do you see a huge deal made out a director being attached to a film? Or even before that, a script being bought by a producer? Games now seem to be announced/unveiled maybe a year or so before a forecast release date, with a teaser followed by a proper trailer, accompanied by screen-shots and interviews. In that way, it's possible that vapourware is a thing of the past.

Sounds about right. I guess I've got nothing more to add, really.

[Retodon8]

Originally Posted by Angilion

You're confusing me with someone else.

Oh, I sort of mixed up your and Yatta's replies apparently.
I'm sorry, I didn't plan on putting words in your mouth, or plain out lying.

Anyway, if the Joe-quote a few posts earlier is right, the guy did really get some facts wrong.

[Malgon]

The article in PCPP is making a point, but it seems like a bit of filler for the magazine. I think X-Vector and Monkey Butler are on the right track to what the article was meant for.

[JobivanHiob]

The Dallas Business Journal Arcticle was really exciting. Do you expect something similiar in the near future again?
I also really enyojed reading the T Ray interview!
What about interviewing some other devs, to get a look into the interactivity, the sound, the AI, animations or physics. Some well spread general info can be as good as screenshots.
But what I would like the most...an indepth video-interview with George! Its so sad that he is staying in the background and doesn't like to be seen for real. Hopefully this will change when the time comes.

[Thewho]

Seems they've gotten serious about trying to finish this, with some of the decisions made. Good news, hopefully we'll see it this year.

[Alpha-One]

Dallas Buisiness what????

Everything is bullshit...
the more we write about release informations/dates the less we get...

only left to say:

Coming when its DONE

Vaporware 2008 is ours!

[AlienM1nd]

I think the point of the article is to prove it wrong. Devs, to the working stations! :-)