Max Payne: Payne & Redemption - Page 3

Zom-B · 10-27-2007, 09:11 AM

As I said on their site:

"..Are you serious?

$10,000 and all we get is lunch?

Nobody is going to donate that. You should have organised your money more carefully. Still looking forward to the film, though."

Unbeholder · 02-20-2008, 03:09 AM

if it comes out that is... and even if it does there not releasing the whole thing just a piece of the film.. its only about 20 minutes long.. they will work on the rest of the parts after the release the first.. i tell you if its been 3 years and 20 minute long film isn't out yet then its never going to release.

ertertwert · 02-21-2008, 02:59 AM

No money = no movie.

Luke Morgan-Rowe · 03-15-2008, 11:18 PM

Time to dig up this old thread with a bang!

We've just released a new trailer for the film, which you can view below...

http://www.payneandredemption.com/bl...y080314-211412

As always, all feedback is greatly appreciated! Especially if it's in the form of comments left on the main site.

Luke.

Luke Morgan-Rowe · 04-22-2008, 06:47 PM

Interesting read...

http://www.payneandredemption.com/bl...y080422-200450

Ah well, Fox'll never win.

Luke.

ryche · 04-22-2008, 07:14 PM

Wow that stinks...you were already making it before they had rights so...wtf?

Luke Morgan-Rowe · 04-22-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ryche

Wow that stinks...you were already making it before they had rights so...wtf?

I *think* Fox bought the rights to make a Max Payne film back in 2001, but I could be wrong. Regardless, their reaction is TOTALLY unreasonable and quite amusing, to say the least.

Luke.

ryche · 04-22-2008, 07:47 PM

Yeah. Look at how many fan-made movies are out there on the various properties that have come and gone to theaters? This is just bullocks.

Luke Morgan-Rowe · 04-22-2008, 07:58 PM

They're just scared we're going to be better than they are, and as a result, are trying to intimidate us into submission. We've come too far to let ANYTHING stop us now.

Luke.

Mariamus · 04-23-2008, 02:42 AM

I highly doubt that Fox is scared of a fanfilm being better than they are.
They have a big budget, and from what I've seen from the pictures and the cast-list, it looks like they're staying true to both games.
And no matter what, if they send you a cease and desist order, they've probably swung it by their legal department first. So before you say that you're not going to stop, I'd probably find out how much damage a big company like Fox films can (and will) do to a small fan-based operation such as yourself.
And since I haven't seen Fox petitioning online for money to finish one of their films... I'd bet you that the total amount of damage would be "a lot."

Luke Morgan-Rowe · 04-23-2008, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mariamus

I highly doubt that Fox is scared of a fanfilm being better than they are.
They have a big budget, and from what I've seen from the pictures and the cast-list, it looks like they're staying true to both games.
And no matter what, if they send you a cease and desist order, they've probably swung it by their legal department first. So before you say that you're not going to stop, I'd probably find out how much damage a big company like Fox films can (and will) do to a small fan-based operation such as yourself.
And since I haven't seen Fox petitioning online for money to finish one of their films... I'd bet you that the total amount of damage would be "a lot."

We're in talks with lawyers right now, so we'll see where this goes.

However, whatever happens, this film WILL be released - You can quote me on that.

And as I've said elsewhere, "bring it on".

Luke.

ADM · 04-23-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ADM

It is only not considered a fanfilm if you get authorisation at making it by the copyright holders.

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Originally Posted by Luke Morgan-Rowe

Firstly, that's not correct, and is wrong of you to say so. We are a non-profit, independent production, not a "fanfilm". Secondly, we have the condonation and support of Sam Lake, and that's all that matters.

Hate to say this (as I was truly interested in the project) but I told you so. Of course this would of happened eventually, it's the EXACT same reason why 3DR don't allow mods to use property from them in any game (be it their own or an external engine).

Simple fix though, just rename it to something else. You'd have to rename all characters and all that or buy the rights off them. There's no way to get around this otherwise, it's their IP they are fit to protect it any way they desire to risk them losing it.

But if you think you can then go for it. It'd be interesting to see the problems you'd cause by doing so. Intellectual Property needs to be protected and controlled.

theHunted · 04-23-2008, 10:38 AM

I'd seriously treat this issue with a little more reasoning. You should've been aware that this could happen at any time. At least I was when developing the Mission Impossible mod for MP2.
I would've loved to see this project slip through without being noticed by the IP owners, but now that they are having an eye on you I wouldn't take things as lightly as you do.
ADM already listed the options you have at hand now. Good luck.

Sayantan · 04-23-2008, 10:54 AM

Sad, really sad. "Soul-sucking corporates".

Luke Morgan-Rowe · 04-23-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by theHunted

You should've been aware that this could happen at any time.

Not only were we aware this could happen at any time, we were fully *expecting* it to, and as a result, are totally prepared for such a situation.

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Originally Posted by theHunted

I would've loved to see this project slip through without being noticed by the IP owners, but now that they are having an eye on you I wouldn't take things as lightly as you do.

20th Century Fox have actually had their eye on us since we announced the project back in 2005, so it's nothing new. But I can assure you this recent little upset will not hinder the progress of our film in the slighest.

Luke.

ADM · 04-23-2008, 11:06 AM

So what how do you plan to tackle this? I hope you know we don't tolerate any illegal activities on this board. Something like this isn't a "little upset".

MrUniq · 04-26-2008, 01:29 PM

How about Jax Payne....assualt on Fox

Klaus Kinski · 04-26-2008, 04:00 PM

Uhm... What can you do against a movie company like Fox owning the movie rights to the IP? What you pay for your lawyers is what Fox pays for their monthly stock of toilet paper. How can you expect to win in court against them? That's where this will be heading.
Good luck buddy, you're gonna need it. Seriously, I wish you success.

Luke Morgan-Rowe · 05-01-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ADM

So what how do you plan to tackle this? I hope you know we don't tolerate any illegal activities on this board. Something like this isn't a "little upset".

Who said anything about "illegal activities"?

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Originally Posted by Klaus Kinski

What can you do against a movie company like Fox owning the movie rights to the IP?

Walk into their HQ in LA, tell them they're a bunch of meanies, then jump up and down several times before leaving in a huff.

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Originally Posted by Klaus Kinski

What you pay for your lawyers is what Fox pays for their monthly stock of toilet paper.

But if they paid in Lawyers what I pay for MY monthly stock of custom-made gold-leafed Harrods toilet paper (which, by the way, they don't), they *might* even be worthy competition.

Luke.

ADM · 05-01-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke Morgan-Rowe

Who said anything about "illegal activities"?

It's a heads up. If you release the movie without getting permission from Fox then it's an illegal release and as such will not be tolerated here.

Luke Morgan-Rowe · 05-01-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ADM

If you release the movie without getting permission from Fox then it's an illegal release and as such will not be tolerated here.

May I ask why you tolerate *other* fan-art, fan-films and fan-fiction here?

Luke.

ADM · 05-01-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Morgan-Rowe

May I ask why you tolerate *other* fan-art, fan-films and fan-fiction here?

Luke.

Because they haven't had a cease and desist sent to them.

Luke Morgan-Rowe · 05-01-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ADM

Because they haven't had a cease and desist sent to them.

They also don't have permission from the holder(s) of the corresponding intellectual property...

Luke.

ADM · 05-01-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke Morgan-Rowe

They also don't have permission from the holder(s) of the corresponding intellectual property...

Luke.

Don't get technical with me please. If anyone here had a cease and desist sent to them then by all means we would not like the stuff released on here. Fan art and other stuff is usually ok UNTIL they get told not to do.

If you like to discuss this further then PM me.

Unbeholder · 05-21-2008, 04:33 AM

oh boy... firstly fighting with a moderator is a sure way of getting banned.. second of all releasing "copy right infringement material" is not legal... sure it is legal as long as you don't recieve any money for it (which by the way you have through donations) ...but the Trade Mark holder of "max payne" has the right to do what ever they want of any mod, or fan film, or T shirts they wish that bears its trade mark. Its all stated in the EULA.

You have to realize that Fox has no choice. They are not the "bad guy" here. If they let you steal their property (and yes, that is what you are doing) they will lose it. That's how copyright law works. Why should Fox give up all rights to this license just so that you can make your movie?

So what if there are a bunch of nobodies that whine about how Fox is out to get the little guy (at least for now, in five minutes it will be Microsoft or the oil companies or whoever else). Fox probably couldn't care less about you or your movie, and for all I know some of the execs might even like it. But not enough to throw away millions of dollars in property rights - and you have no right to expect them to!!!

Fox didn't start the situation - you did. You placed Fox into a situation where they can either make you stop your movie, or lose some very valuable rights that they paid lots of money for. Yes, you managed to place a company as big a Fox in a position where they stand to lose millions! Aren't you proud of what an effect such a tiny film has had? But you have no right to be angry when they make the only rational choice that you have given them. And frankly, unless you sleep every night with all of the doors and windows of your house wide open, you have already made the same choice with your property as they have made with theirs.

Its over. Fox came, saw and conquered. Now you gather in the dust ridden land hoping to salvage the pieces.
Alas nothing can be gained but the cold hard bitter truth.

Luke Morgan-Rowe · 05-21-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Unbeholder

Its over.

It ain't even the beginning, my friend.

... But thanks for your concern.

Luke.

Unbeholder · 05-22-2008, 08:26 AM

....... your very optimistic for someone who has stared into the lions mouth (or should i say foxes mouth... lion sounds scarier)

if you think this is just the beggining then your delusional, it was over as soon as fox found out and you know it, the only way you can distribute it now is "illegally" and if thats the case then you'll have a law suit on your hands... and when that happens you wont win.

There is one other option, change all the names of everything in your movie, rewrite the script and shoot scenes over again without all the "max payne" references.. that however will cost you alot and you'll probably go bankrupt till then.

--
After “negotiations” with Fox, the production team was told they could not distribute the film publicly and could have only one screening of the movie, adding Payne & Redemption to the list of canned fan projects, including the Warhammer 40,000 fan film, Damnatus,
---

I hope you don't release it publically or planning on releasing on internet sites.. especially not on this site.. Fox is probably going to have to write a angry letter to 3d realms forums and get your post deleted. Or worse yet they will just file a law suit... then you will be running from the law.. just like the real max payne, and you'll die in a bloody gun fight with the police.

Goodbye.. made this in honor of payne and redemption

Luke Morgan-Rowe · 05-22-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Unbeholder

made this in honor of payne and redemption

No, dear boy - You got it from our associates at The Angry Pixel.

Anyway... Again, thank you for your concern, but it's really not necessary.

Luke.

Dunedain · 05-22-2008, 12:56 PM

One way or another, I think a solution will be found.

Walking Alone · 05-22-2008, 03:58 PM

Payne and redemption team could "disappear" and new team will continued filming. When they will film the movie they could upload it in Internet (it's not forbidden, there are a lot of video's with titles "Max payne and...") and open web-Purse. I think most of them will sent money to this project. I will.

LaughingSkull · 05-23-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Unbeholder

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Whose side are you on? You sound like a 60-year old granny infused with Communist propaganda.

Instead of siding with the corporate world, I would like to voice my support for Luke, and to state that I would very much like to see the final product of this undertaking.

Commando Nukem · 05-23-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LaughingSkull

Whose side are you on? You sound like a 60-year old granny infused with Communist propaganda.

Instead of siding with the corporate world, I would like to voice my support for Luke, and to state that I would very much like to see the final product of this undertaking.

Unbeholder is right, and so is ADM.

Sang · 05-23-2008, 03:02 PM

Okay before you came off as a pretty intelligent guy, Luke, but looking into a lawsuit with "a hey bring it on" attitude is not a smart thing to do.

Judges aren't going to judge in your favour just because you're a small man stepping up to the big, evil corporation. Unless you have solid counter-arguments there's just no way you will win. Surely your comparison to fanart is an argument but you're going to need over 9000 times more than that.

Luke Morgan-Rowe · 05-23-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunedain

One way or another, I think a solution will be found.

Thanks for your optimism, Dunedain.

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Originally Posted by LaughingSkull

Instead of siding with the corporate world, I would like to voice my support for Luke and state that I would very much like to see the final product of this undertaking.

And you will. Perhaps not in its original incarnation, but hey - C'est la vie.

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Originally Posted by Sang

Okay before you came off as a pretty intelligent guy, Luke, but looking into a lawsuit with "a hey bring it on" attitude is not a smart thing to do.

Sang - I, as well as the rest of the P&R crew, are perfectly entitled (and quite justified) to be extremely enraged at such a situation, regardless of the hows or whys. We're only human.

However, I would like to point out that we have been working WITH Fox since receiving their C&D e-mail, not against them. I don't know about you, but having to put up with prison toilet paper and the lack of my large collection of suits from Savile Row just does NOT appeal to me!

I can assure you that we are taking the proper steps to ensure everyone is left feeling happy and satisfied.

Luke.

Hudson · 05-23-2008, 05:42 PM

Glad to hear you are talking with Fox about this and going through this civilized

Best of luck to you mate!

Sang · 05-24-2008, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke Morgan-Rowe

Sang - I, as well as the rest of the P&R crew, are perfectly entitled (and quite justified) to be extremely enraged at such a situation, regardless of the hows or whys. We're only human.

However, I would like to point out that we have been working WITH Fox since receiving their C&D e-mail, not against them. I don't know about you, but having to put up with prison toilet paper and the lack of my large collection of suits from Savile Row just does NOT appeal to me!

I can assure you that we are taking the proper steps to ensure everyone is left feeling happy and satisfied.

Luke.

I'm not saying you don't have the right to be pissed about this whole deal but you made it sound like you weren't going to put in too much effort into avoiding going to court with this. Apparently not

Unbeholder · 05-25-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke Morgan-Rowe

However, I would like to point out that we have been working WITH Fox since receiving their C&D e-mail, not against them. I don't know about you, but having to put up with prison toilet paper and the lack of my large collection of suits from Savile Row just does NOT appeal to me!

I can assure you that we are taking the proper steps to ensure everyone is left feeling happy and satisfied.

Good to hear, it seems bending over backwards for fox is the best thing you can do. i wouldn't count on it though, when fox steps in they mean buisness. And they have stepped in.. so don't expect them to "step out" just cause your begging for it.

Dunedain · 05-25-2008, 08:32 PM

Maybe if Fox were to put their logo somewhere at the end of the film or something stating Max Payne (for movie purposes) is a Fox trademark and all rights belong to them and such, and that the Payne and Redemption team had their express permission to release this fan project, that this would prevent the release of the film from causing any intellectual property rights problems for Fox?

This way, Fox is protected and this great fan film project can be released unaltered. Everyone wins.

hiob · 05-28-2008, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunedain

Maybe if Fox were to put their logo somewhere at the end of the film or something stating Max Payne (for movie purposes) is a Fox trademark and all rights belong to them and such, and that the Payne and Redemption team had their express permission to release this fan project, that this would prevent the release of the film from causing any intellectual property rights problems for Fox?

This way, Fox is protected and this great fan film project can be released unaltered. Everyone wins.

Depending whether they like it or not, Fox could use "Payne and Redemption" as some sort of viral marketing for the "Max Payne" movie.

Sayantan · 05-28-2008, 08:41 AM

Now that's actually a good idea hiob

10-27-2007, 09:11 AM	#81
Zom-B	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption As I said on their site: "..Are you serious? $10,000 and all we get is lunch? Nobody is going to donate that. You should have organised your money more carefully. Still looking forward to the film, though."

02-20-2008, 03:09 AM	#82
Unbeholder	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption if it comes out that is... and even if it does there not releasing the whole thing just a piece of the film.. its only about 20 minutes long.. they will work on the rest of the parts after the release the first.. i tell you if its been 3 years and 20 minute long film isn't out yet then its never going to release. __________________ What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets!

02-21-2008, 02:59 AM	#83
ertertwert	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption No money = no movie.

03-15-2008, 11:18 PM	#84
Luke Morgan-Rowe	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption Time to dig up this old thread with a bang! We've just released a new trailer for the film, which you can view below... http://www.payneandredemption.com/bl...y080314-211412 As always, all feedback is greatly appreciated! Especially if it's in the form of comments left on the main site. Luke. __________________ Luke Morgan-Rowe, Producer, Payne & Redemption. http://www.payneandredemption.com/ An independent film inspired by the works of Sam Lake.

04-22-2008, 06:47 PM	#85
Luke Morgan-Rowe	Big trouble in little China!... Interesting read... http://www.payneandredemption.com/bl...y080422-200450 Ah well, Fox'll never win. Luke. __________________ Luke Morgan-Rowe, Producer, Payne & Redemption. http://www.payneandredemption.com/ An independent film inspired by the works of Sam Lake.

04-22-2008, 07:14 PM	#86
ryche	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption Wow that stinks...you were already making it before they had rights so...wtf? __________________ {<- machines have no conscience ->} {<- “Shoot him!” They say, Who will be the killer? Who will be the winner? ->}

04-22-2008, 07:47 PM	#88
ryche	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption Yeah. Look at how many fan-made movies are out there on the various properties that have come and gone to theaters? This is just bullocks. __________________ {<- machines have no conscience ->} {<- “Shoot him!” They say, Who will be the killer? Who will be the winner? ->}

04-22-2008, 07:58 PM	#89
Luke Morgan-Rowe	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption They're just scared we're going to be better than they are, and as a result, are trying to intimidate us into submission. We've come too far to let ANYTHING stop us now. Luke. __________________ Luke Morgan-Rowe, Producer, Payne & Redemption. http://www.payneandredemption.com/ An independent film inspired by the works of Sam Lake. Last edited by Luke Morgan-Rowe; 04-22-2008 at 08:01 PM.

04-23-2008, 02:42 AM	#90
Mariamus	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption I highly doubt that Fox is scared of a fanfilm being better than they are. They have a big budget, and from what I've seen from the pictures and the cast-list, it looks like they're staying true to both games. And no matter what, if they send you a cease and desist order, they've probably swung it by their legal department first. So before you say that you're not going to stop, I'd probably find out how much damage a big company like Fox films can (and will) do to a small fan-based operation such as yourself. And since I haven't seen Fox petitioning online for money to finish one of their films... I'd bet you that the total amount of damage would be "a lot." __________________ I would venture to warn against too great intimacy with artists as it is very seductive and a little dangerous.” - Queen Victoria Indeed, America's new slogan is slowly becoming "Land of the free.. unless it offends anyone!" - Hudson

04-23-2008, 10:38 AM	#93
theHunted	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption I'd seriously treat this issue with a little more reasoning. You should've been aware that this could happen at any time. At least I was when developing the Mission Impossible mod for MP2. I would've loved to see this project slip through without being noticed by the IP owners, but now that they are having an eye on you I wouldn't take things as lightly as you do. ADM already listed the options you have at hand now. Good luck. __________________ M:I - New Dawn a Max Payne 2 modification

04-23-2008, 10:54 AM	#94
Sayantan	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption Sad, really sad. "Soul-sucking corporates". __________________ LinkedIn Profile

04-23-2008, 11:06 AM	#96
ADM	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption So what how do you plan to tackle this? I hope you know we don't tolerate any illegal activities on this board. Something like this isn't a "little upset".

04-26-2008, 01:29 PM	#97
MrUniq	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption How about Jax Payne....assualt on Fox

04-26-2008, 04:00 PM	#98
Klaus Kinski	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption Uhm... What can you do against a movie company like Fox owning the movie rights to the IP? What you pay for your lawyers is what Fox pays for their monthly stock of toilet paper. How can you expect to win in court against them? That's where this will be heading. Good luck buddy, you're gonna need it. Seriously, I wish you success. __________________ "Violence is stupid because an eye for an eye makes everyone blind." - jimbob "But hey when in doubt - Zombies!!!" - Kalki "OMG WTF BOO!!" - Aegeri

05-21-2008, 04:33 AM	#105
Unbeholder	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption oh boy... firstly fighting with a moderator is a sure way of getting banned.. second of all releasing "copy right infringement material" is not legal... sure it is legal as long as you don't recieve any money for it (which by the way you have through donations) ...but the Trade Mark holder of "max payne" has the right to do what ever they want of any mod, or fan film, or T shirts they wish that bears its trade mark. Its all stated in the EULA. You have to realize that Fox has no choice. They are not the "bad guy" here. If they let you steal their property (and yes, that is what you are doing) they will lose it. That's how copyright law works. Why should Fox give up all rights to this license just so that you can make your movie? So what if there are a bunch of nobodies that whine about how Fox is out to get the little guy (at least for now, in five minutes it will be Microsoft or the oil companies or whoever else). Fox probably couldn't care less about you or your movie, and for all I know some of the execs might even like it. But not enough to throw away millions of dollars in property rights - and you have no right to expect them to!!! Fox didn't start the situation - you did. You placed Fox into a situation where they can either make you stop your movie, or lose some very valuable rights that they paid lots of money for. Yes, you managed to place a company as big a Fox in a position where they stand to lose millions! Aren't you proud of what an effect such a tiny film has had? But you have no right to be angry when they make the only rational choice that you have given them. And frankly, unless you sleep every night with all of the doors and windows of your house wide open, you have already made the same choice with your property as they have made with theirs. Its over. Fox came, saw and conquered. Now you gather in the dust ridden land hoping to salvage the pieces. Alas nothing can be gained but the cold hard bitter truth. __________________ What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets! Last edited by Unbeholder; 05-21-2008 at 05:16 AM.

05-22-2008, 08:26 AM	#107
Unbeholder	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption ....... your very optimistic for someone who has stared into the lions mouth (or should i say foxes mouth... lion sounds scarier) if you think this is just the beggining then your delusional, it was over as soon as fox found out and you know it, the only way you can distribute it now is "illegally" and if thats the case then you'll have a law suit on your hands... and when that happens you wont win. There is one other option, change all the names of everything in your movie, rewrite the script and shoot scenes over again without all the "max payne" references.. that however will cost you alot and you'll probably go bankrupt till then. -- After “negotiations” with Fox, the production team was told they could not distribute the film publicly and could have only one screening of the movie, adding Payne & Redemption to the list of canned fan projects, including the Warhammer 40,000 fan film, Damnatus, --- I hope you don't release it publically or planning on releasing on internet sites.. especially not on this site.. Fox is probably going to have to write a angry letter to 3d realms forums and get your post deleted. Or worse yet they will just file a law suit... then you will be running from the law.. just like the real max payne, and you'll die in a bloody gun fight with the police. Goodbye.. made this in honor of payne and redemption __________________ What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets! Last edited by Unbeholder; 05-22-2008 at 08:32 AM.

05-22-2008, 12:56 PM	#109
Dunedain	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption One way or another, I think a solution will be found. __________________ Location: Just outside the door with dual Beretta 9mm's...

05-22-2008, 03:58 PM	#110
Walking Alone	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption Payne and redemption team could "disappear" and new team will continued filming. When they will film the movie they could upload it in Internet (it's not forbidden, there are a lot of video's with titles "Max payne and...") and open web-Purse. I think most of them will sent money to this project. I will.

05-23-2008, 03:02 PM	#113
Sang	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption Okay before you came off as a pretty intelligent guy, Luke, but looking into a lawsuit with "a hey bring it on" attitude is not a smart thing to do. Judges aren't going to judge in your favour just because you're a small man stepping up to the big, evil corporation. Unless you have solid counter-arguments there's just no way you will win. Surely your comparison to fanart is an argument but you're going to need over 9000 times more than that. __________________ traB pu kcip

05-23-2008, 05:42 PM	#115
Hudson	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption Glad to hear you are talking with Fox about this and going through this civilized Best of luck to you mate! __________________ Staying Frosty Since 09/06/07 - I love you Katie <3 “Software is like sex; it's better when it's free.” - Linus Torvalds “Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.” - Calvin & Hobbes [INSERT SYSTEM SPECS THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT HERE]

05-25-2008, 08:32 PM	#118
Dunedain	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption Maybe if Fox were to put their logo somewhere at the end of the film or something stating Max Payne (for movie purposes) is a Fox trademark and all rights belong to them and such, and that the Payne and Redemption team had their express permission to release this fan project, that this would prevent the release of the film from causing any intellectual property rights problems for Fox? This way, Fox is protected and this great fan film project can be released unaltered. Everyone wins. __________________ Location: Just outside the door with dual Beretta 9mm's...

05-28-2008, 08:41 AM	#120
Sayantan	Re: Max Payne: Payne & Redemption Now that's actually a good idea hiob __________________ LinkedIn Profile