Damn I hate the Build limits!

alejandro · 02-20-2002, 10:14 AM

Today I had to remove A WHOLE LOT of details from my new map due to that damn 4096 sprite limit!!! That makes me think in not releasing more usermaps [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] Is there any way to make something with the sector, wall and sprite limits? EDuke? Please do something with that... [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

Alejandro.

Kef Nukem · 02-20-2002, 10:20 AM

Eduke has other limit I think yes.. since chaning it isn't too hard (well I heard it wasn't [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] ) I think Matt has defenitely changed it.

Phoenix · 02-20-2002, 11:00 AM

Read this, well just the second post

Also there was a good threat with Holly (Veldric), (can’t find it) explaining why extending the sprite limits too much can eat the resources of any computer real fast.

BTW details in maps; looking at the original Duke maps, they are incredible detailed, and feel large. They are small only when analyzed in Build, comparing what the limits are and what was used.

[ 02-20-2002, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: Phoenix ]

Joe Siegler · 02-20-2002, 11:08 AM

Limits are there for a reason. You cannot just make a level with an infinite amount of anything in it. There's such a thing as memory, and graphic contstraints.

It's not an endless thing. The quality and beauty of level design comes in making something that looks, feels, and plays cool given the restraints of the engine you're creating in.

Kef Nukem · 02-20-2002, 11:49 AM

Yeah Joe.. but umm a bigger sectorlimit wouldn't hurt Pc's most ppl have nowerdays would it?

alejandro · 02-21-2002, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe3DR:
Limits are there for a reason. You cannot just make a level with an infinite amount of anything in it. There's such a thing as memory, and graphic contstraints.

It's not an endless thing. The quality and beauty of level design comes in making something that looks, feels, and plays cool given the restraints of the engine you're creating in.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I know, but it's a bit frustrating when you have a nice map almost finished and you get the "too many sprites spawned" error... anyway I think that the limits are small (at least for me) because Duke was made for 486s or Pentium 1 PCs... nowadays everyone has better computers so I think that increasing the limits to for example the double that they are now won't be a real problem for anyone... anyway my map is working now, but I think that with bigger limits it could be a lot better...

Bye
Alejandro

Phoenix · 02-21-2002, 12:25 AM

never mind

[ 02-20-2002, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: Phoenix ]

alejandro · 02-21-2002, 01:35 PM

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The sprite limit is 8192, not 4096

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No, it's 4096, the wall limit is 8192... (or maybe there are 8192 sprites in EDuke?)

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If you get 'too many sprites spawned' then you're getting too many sprites spawned at one time , which almost certainly means you're providing tripbombs in areas with huge expanses.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Exactly, I had that kind of problems... an area with some explosions and lots of enemies, I think that the jibs were the problem most of all, anyway I've already fixed it and the map is working fine now...

Bye
Alejandro

cyborg · 02-21-2002, 02:45 PM

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No, it's 4096, the wall limit is 8192... (or maybe there are 8192 sprites in EDuke?)

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No, I thought it was more sprites than walls - I haven't really used Build for some time.

Mblackwell · 02-21-2002, 08:25 PM

he got the sprite limit right, but walls is only 1024.

Currently in Eduke 2.1, it's 16,000.

alejandro · 02-21-2002, 09:39 PM

Sectors=1024, walls=8192 and sprites=4096... but it's good to hear that EDuke won't have these problems [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

cyborg · 02-22-2002, 12:43 AM

1) The sprite limit is 8192, not 4096
2) If you get 'too many sprites spawned' then you're getting too many sprites spawned at one time , which almost certainly means you're providing tripbombs in areas with huge expanses.
3) The limit is a Duke3D limit. The build limit is 65535 sectors, walls and sprites.

Kef Nukem · 02-22-2002, 08:50 AM

haha 1024 walls.. thats funny.. (around) 100 sectors and u can't go on [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

02-20-2002, 11:08 AM	#4
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Damn I hate the Build limits! Limits are there for a reason. You cannot just make a level with an infinite amount of anything in it. There's such a thing as memory, and graphic contstraints. It's not an endless thing. The quality and beauty of level design comes in making something that looks, feels, and plays cool given the restraints of the engine you're creating in. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

02-20-2002, 10:14 AM	#1
alejandro	Damn I hate the Build limits! Today I had to remove A WHOLE LOT of details from my new map due to that damn 4096 sprite limit!!! That makes me think in not releasing more usermaps [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] Is there any way to make something with the sector, wall and sprite limits? EDuke? Please do something with that... [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img] Alejandro.

02-20-2002, 10:20 AM	#2
Kef Nukem	Re: Damn I hate the Build limits! Eduke has other limit I think yes.. since chaning it isn't too hard (well I heard it wasn't [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] ) I think Matt has defenitely changed it. __________________ ---===Kuffi.NET

02-20-2002, 11:00 AM	#3
Phoenix	Re: Damn I hate the Build limits! Read this, well just the second post Also there was a good threat with Holly (Veldric), (can’t find it) explaining why extending the sprite limits too much can eat the resources of any computer real fast. BTW details in maps; looking at the original Duke maps, they are incredible detailed, and feel large. They are small only when analyzed in Build, comparing what the limits are and what was used. [ 02-20-2002, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: Phoenix ] __________________ SST Files

02-20-2002, 11:49 AM	#5
Kef Nukem	Re: Damn I hate the Build limits! Yeah Joe.. but umm a bigger sectorlimit wouldn't hurt Pc's most ppl have nowerdays would it? __________________ ---===Kuffi.NET

02-21-2002, 12:25 AM	#7
Phoenix	Re: Damn I hate the Build limits! never mind [ 02-20-2002, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: Phoenix ] __________________ SST Files

02-21-2002, 08:25 PM	#10
Mblackwell	Re: Damn I hate the Build limits! he got the sprite limit right, but walls is only 1024. Currently in Eduke 2.1, it's 16,000. __________________ I don't wanna be like other people are Don't wanna own a key, don't wanna wash my car Don't wanna have to work like other people do I want it to be free, I want it to be true Eduke32.com : The Rejected Applications : The Meadhall of the Comitatus

02-21-2002, 09:39 PM	#11
alejandro	Re: Damn I hate the Build limits! Sectors=1024, walls=8192 and sprites=4096... but it's good to hear that EDuke won't have these problems [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

02-22-2002, 12:43 AM	#12
cyborg	Re: Damn I hate the Build limits! 1) The sprite limit is 8192, not 4096 2) If you get 'too many sprites spawned' then you're getting too many sprites spawned at one time , which almost certainly means you're providing tripbombs in areas with huge expanses. 3) The limit is a Duke3D limit. The build limit is 65535 sectors, walls and sprites. __________________ You lose.

02-22-2002, 08:50 AM	#13
Kef Nukem	Re: Damn I hate the Build limits! haha 1024 walls.. thats funny.. (around) 100 sectors and u can't go on [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] __________________ ---===Kuffi.NET