Bombshell and the bitchslap

[Lt.Havoc]

Well, isnt Duke not all about clichés? So, whats the problem to have a female NPC that also kicks ass? Hmm......why not have Bombshell make a Ada approch like in the RE games? THe strange figure that cant be clearly be said if she is friend of foe? The Mysterious stranger with a past as dark as Duke shades? Strong, intilligent, witty.....and yet, just a dark core that is unexplored. Maybe she could be a failed expreiment of Proton turned against him?

THat or the EDF betrayed Duke and send another speicalist to deal with the aliens because they dont trust him anymore? Would be cool to have a story where Duke is forgotten and no one trusts him anymore.

Hmm...ther revenge thing would be too much of a cliché, ya know. But rember the words of Max Payne "Nothing is a cliché wehn it happends to you!"

[LarsBM]

Well, Id want to see Duke "save the world all by himself", not get help, especially not from a girl.

But hey I just want to play the game, its going to kick ass either way.

[trucedAnimal]

Originally Posted by trucedAnimal

And I could not think of any role that Bombshell could have in the game.

I said that in my first post. But actually I think it would be cool to have Bombshell as a character similar to Q ("Quartermaster") in the Bond movies.
Or like Bonnie, the female mechanic from Night Rider.
So she would only be in the cut scenes.

Originally Posted by Skiffer

1) Maybe she'll tag around ala Alyx in HL2, because obviously she's more handy with computars, engines and electronics than Duke, and it'll be all like "Holy smokes, Bat... I mean, Duke. The doormechanism is jammed, but I can fix it, only it'll take 4 or so minutes. Hold the baddies off... Oh yeah, I guess I forgot to tell you that baddies are spawning as we speak, so hold em' off ok?" because apparently there has to be at least one ( well, a minimum of one ) of these "Protect your buddy" things when there is more than one protaganist.

Here the question is more about if DNF will have missions.
I hope not.

Originally Posted by Skiffer

2) Gosh! Maybe she'll be your guide to the Underground LA Sewer levels, and tell you important informations over ze earphone?

Sounds a lot like the girl from Escape from L.A. that gets shot after she helps Snake.
But Bombshell can't die. Duke saves all chicks and kills all alien bastards!

If shes in I'd like to see her as a tribute to Barbarella. There could be a level where you need a password and only she knows it. And you'd have to save her from the Orgasmatron...

[Maruno]

Originally Posted by vcatkiller

I kind of cringe every time something like this comes up and somebody spouts off the usual "Duke wouldn't do XYZ, that's not his personality!" Let's try thinking outside the box for a change, hmmm?

I kind of cringe every time someone says that kind of thing, actually. Just because we're sticking more to the original concept doesn't mean we're sticklers who're afraid of anything new. It just means we have our own idea of how things would work best, and I think it worked just fine back in 3D.

Duke Nukem isn't supposed to have 6 different sides to him, half of which are sensitive/weeping over a dead puppy/forming serious relationships. People's imaginations often work too much, reading way too much into the littlest things and so on. Duke is a man who shoots aliens and, while he knows it's serious, also has fun doing it. There's no need to be a moody tit, just because of an alien invasion you're single-handedly annihilating.

I'm also tired of the utter cliché of the "modern female main character", that of the intelligent, surprisingly capable and violent, independent tsundere rug-muncher that seems to abound everywhere nowadays. I'm all for that equality thing, but Duke isn't such a serious game that it needs to force itself to have one of those characters just to stay politically correct. In fact, it's a game. That's all. It should worry about staying true to itself, rather than trying to portray all ranges of people (gender, ethnicity, etc. etc.) equally. And "itself" is "Duke kicks ass and chews bubblegum". Nothing more. It doesn't need a way-overused, stupidly predictable and smegging boring romance sub-plot just for the sake of showing that "women can do it too".

Originally Posted by Parkar

I hope she mostly kinda do her own thing and then you just meet up at a few places here and there. No escorting here through a whole level etc.

I agree with this. Bumping into her every now and then, perhaps opposite sides of an impassable fence and throwing off a (one) one-liner would be fine. Perhaps introduce the character Bombshell vaguely as a self-proclaimed rival to Duke

General Graves: By the way, that Bombshell is already out there.
Duke: She's just a girl. She'll come back crying in half an hour.

That's all the intro you need (and 3 at most sightings during the game). Then, towards the end, the aliens capture her, kill her and make a fembot in her image as a mini-boss for you to fight. And when I say "kill her", I don't mean she's lying there dying through your fight and then you go and have some stupid last conversation before she finally snuffs it. I mean she's in half and properly dead, with no big conversations anywhere. And, importantly, Duke won't care that much about it (doubtless he'll have seen other women being kidnapped and forced to spawn aliens - there were plenty in 3D, of course). Heartless bastard, maybe, but don't you think he'd be desensitised to that kind of thing by now? That would be interesting. I don't know about the rest of you, but I like interesting.

Originally Posted by Lt.Havoc

Well, isnt Duke not all about clichés? So, whats the problem to have a female NPC that also kicks ass?

For the reasons I mentioned above. Duke is about being fun. Clichés can be fun, but not all of them. The "modern female main character" is just rubbish now. It's had its day already.

Originally Posted by Lt.Havoc

Would be cool to have a story where Duke is forgotten and no one trusts him anymore.

Only if done well. I do trust 3D Realms, but I still have my doubts they can make this game as epic as everyone hopes it will be. Too much hype kills the product, etc. I don't imagine Duke would be completely forgotten, but most of the EDF soldiers will just think he's an annoying cocky arse who they think shouldn't be allowed to roam around freely, interfering with their operations against the aliens. Graves will trust Duke, of course, but most will just think he's overhyped (rather than forgetting about him). Develop that a bit more, and that would be good.

Originally Posted by trucedAnimal

There could be a level where you need a password and only she knows it. And you'd have to save her from the Orgasmatron...

I wonder what proportion of players would actually try to help her immediately, rather than sit and watch to see what happens first?

[HazMat]

When I think of Bombshell I think she should look like one of the chicks out of Heavy Metal. I was a bit disappointed when I seen her in the old trailer because she just looked like some normal bitch. I think they should give her a sexy superhero look with cleavage hanging out and some Heavy Metal type armour and lots of skin showing. I dont care if that is unrealistic it would be way cooler to have Bombshell look the part rather then just looking like some random chick.

[Spardanian]

In the end of DNF Duke and Bombshell gets married LoL.

[vcatkiller]

Originally Posted by Maruno

I kind of cringe every time someone says that kind of thing, actually. Just because we're sticking more to the original concept doesn't mean we're sticklers who're afraid of anything new. It just means we have our own idea of how things would work best, and I think it worked just fine back in 3D.

Duke Nukem isn't supposed to have 6 different sides to him, half of which are sensitive/weeping over a dead puppy/forming serious relationships. People's imaginations often work too much, reading way too much into the littlest things and so on. Duke is a man who shoots aliens and, while he knows it's serious, also has fun doing it. There's no need to be a moody tit, just because of an alien invasion you're single-handedly annihilating.

which is funny, because I wasn't suggesting Duke should suddenly become an emo. But let's face it, there's not a lot outside a few single dimensional one liners he has spouted off over the ages. I'm pretty sure he'd appreciate help here and there (not constantly, I'm sure he prefers to work alone) and I'm quite sure he'd have war buddies/whatever. For all we know, he probably met Graves during a war, and they're good buddies.

I agree with this. Bumping into her every now and then, perhaps opposite sides of an impassable fence and throwing off a (one) one-liner would be fine. Perhaps introduce the character Bombshell vaguely as a self-proclaimed rival to Duke

General Graves: By the way, that Bombshell is already out there.
Duke: She's just a girl. She'll come back crying in half an hour.

That's all the intro you need (and 3 at most sightings during the game). Then, towards the end, the aliens capture her, kill her and make a fembot in her image as a mini-boss for you to fight. And when I say "kill her", I don't mean she's lying there dying through your fight and then you go and have some stupid last conversation before she finally snuffs it. I mean she's in half and properly dead, with no big conversations anywhere. And, importantly, Duke won't care that much about it (doubtless he'll have seen other women being kidnapped and forced to spawn aliens - there were plenty in 3D, of course). Heartless bastard, maybe, but don't you think he'd be desensitised to that kind of thing by now? That would be interesting. I don't know about the rest of you, but I like interesting.

No, interesting would be if they fleshed her out a bit. No, I'm not talking an hour long cut scene ala Metal Gear Solid, or following each other around for half an hour. Something a lot more than the throw-away character you're suggesting anyways.

A closer analogy might be the cyborg ninja character in MGS (minus the cut sequences) where you spend most of your time wondering if he's friend or foe. I don't remember him following me around and being a nuisance, do you?

For the reasons I mentioned above. Duke is about being fun. Clichés can be fun, but not all of them. The "modern female main character" is just rubbish now. It's had its day already.

So has the one-man army cliché, but here we are on the DNF forums. Go figure.

Besides, what makes you think that having a well-developed, interesting female cliché in the game is going to suddenly make the game not fun?

I wonder what proportion of players would actually try to help her immediately, rather than sit and watch to see what happens first?

Got me there. I'd have to watch and let her die a few times before I save her.

[WoodenSword]

Originally Posted by vcatkiller

Besides, what makes you think that having a well-developed, interesting female cliché in the game is going to suddenly make the game not fun?

The atmosphere.Original Duke's world was fun but also very scary and atmospheric.There were not other characters to chit-chat.You were alone in hell.Having bombshell would seem like a parody for me...
I would propably feel the same for a male sidekick.

[Kennerado]

Sounds too HL2ish.

I highly doubt she is still in the game anyway.

[vcatkiller]

Originally Posted by WoodenSword

The atmosphere.Original Duke's world was fun but also very scary and atmospheric.There were not other characters to chit-chat.You were alone in hell.Having bombshell would seem like a parody for me...
I would propably feel the same for a male sidekick.

But she doesn't need to be a SIDEKICK! Why does everybody assume she'll be that? It's as if everybody assumes that if she's in the game, she'll follow Duke around like some starstruck gun turret or something. Does nobody on these forums have an ounce of imagination?

Think of this scenario:you get captured and thrown in a cell. The keys are just out of reach, but a basic puzzle seems to bring them close enough to grab them. Just as you are about to pick up Bombshell wanders in, grabs the keys, turns and winks at you and runs off again. Duke utters a string of swear words, then the back wall of the cell explodes, allowing you to escape that way instead.

Oh but this would be bad, because apparently Bombshell ruins the atmosphere

[Smoke Tetsu]

This thread made me feel like playing Max Payne 2 again. I really liked Mona Sax in it... I also like how you could play as her in some levels.

I for one would like Bombshell to be in DNF. I know I'm most likely alone in this but I also wouldn't mind for there to be Multiplayer COOP missions where two players can play it. One player plays as Duke and the other Bombshell (yeah I know.. NO COOP is going to be in DNF).

The way Duke3D was good for its day and I still like playing it from time to time especially with the high res pack but I would like DNF to be fresh and new and not just "Duke3D II". Increase the interactivity.

[Skiffer]

That was pretty random.

[Malgon]

Originally Posted by Maruno

Only if done well. I do trust 3D Realms, but I still have my doubts they can make this game as epic as everyone hopes it will be. Too much hype kills the product, etc. I don't imagine Duke would be completely forgotten, but most of the EDF soldiers will just think he's an annoying cocky arse who they think shouldn't be allowed to roam around freely, interfering with their operations against the aliens. Graves will trust Duke, of course, but most will just think he's overhyped (rather than forgetting about him). Develop that a bit more, and that would be good.

That could be one story thread to help make it interesting. It could work.

[Maruno]

Originally Posted by vcatkiller

which is funny, because I wasn't suggesting Duke should suddenly become an emo. But let's face it, there's not a lot outside a few single dimensional one liners he has spouted off over the ages. I'm pretty sure he'd appreciate help here and there (not constantly, I'm sure he prefers to work alone) and I'm quite sure he'd have war buddies/whatever. For all we know, he probably met Graves during a war, and they're good buddies.

I know, I was exaggerating.

Originally Posted by vcatkiller

No, interesting would be if they fleshed her out a bit. No, I'm not talking an hour long cut scene ala Metal Gear Solid, or following each other around for half an hour. Something a lot more than the throw-away character you're suggesting anyways.

A closer analogy might be the cyborg ninja character in MGS (minus the cut sequences) where you spend most of your time wondering if he's friend or foe. I don't remember him following me around and being a nuisance, do you?

I haven't played, so I certainly don't remember any following around.

I don't simply assume "interesting" means "detailed". In this case, I mean "different". Compared to everything that throws huge piles of backstory all over the place as if they're trying to validate the existence of every single character, making Bombshell a relatively minor character would be different, and therefore interesting (to me).

I think too much distraction from ass-kicking and bubblegum-chewing would be a bad thing, especially if its because of the tired old "rival character" story. I'd rather not know why she chose to become an alien hunter (parents were killed by one, probably, and she spent years hunting it down and defeating it, then continued on when she learnt it was part of a much larger group of aliens, etc., etc., blah blah blah). All I need to know is that she's doing vaguely what Duke does, and that every so often I might see her.

Originally Posted by vcatkiller

So has the one-man army cliché, but here we are on the DNF forums. Go figure.

Besides, what makes you think that having a well-developed, interesting female cliché in the game is going to suddenly make the game not fun?

I see that as something of a contradiction in itself. "Interesting female cliché". Okay, most people wouldn't be bothered by 3D Realms sticking in the female cliché as many others have to many other things, but to me that's just mediocre. DNF is supposed to be great.

I know Duke 3D was all about clichés, but the difference between the one-man army and the female cliché is that the one-man army is what the game is about. That's the game's premise. The female cliché sounds entirely too much like something to throw in in the hopes of being new. The old formula (one-man army) wasn't broken, but Bombshell could make it so (not automatically, but certainly fairly easily). If the female cliché character is included, I just hope it doesn't ruin the game (because something like that really could, moreso than doing other things like including generic plasma guns).

If she's in, well, that's fine too. As long as it's done well.

As the story in general goes, I'd rather not see too much of it. All the player needs to know is that there are aliens, and they need to be shot. Repeatedly. Any story in the game should mostly sit in the background and watch, and certainly should not be jumping in my face every 5 minutes. Because that's the formula that made Duke 3D so much fun.

Note that this is not the same as saying I want a Duke 3D remake. The story can be quite different, for all I care; I just don't want every single intricate detail of it thrown at me. Keep it simple, and let us have fun. As someone else mentioned earlier, I think, this is a game and not a movie. We do things in games, not the screen.

I'm likely off-topic now.

[vcatkiller]

Once again, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about cramming back story down people's throats. Did you read my previous example? (ie Bombshell prison scene) You don't need a cut scene where a character suddenly barges up to you and suddenly unload 10 tonne worth of info at you to get a back story, just short sequences here and there where where stuff happens in the gameplay. Keeping the core mechanics simple doesn't mean we can't have an interesting storyline. Prey proved that.

And you're right, sounds like you don't want a Duke3D remake. You want Doom with Duke in it, ie a step backward from Duke3D. Even Duke3D had little touches where you could walk in and pretty much see something has happened. Not full blown story mechanics, but it did have some essence of story progression, just through simple events that occurred as you went along. You could usually have a general sense of what Duke was up to, without the game cramming story down your throat.

I personally hope DNF can marry the old gameplay of D3D with some modern gameplay mechanics and maybe further the fps genre a little. I bet you like Serious Same too. (nope not a typo)

[Maruno]

You misunderstand. I'm not saying you were saying those things. I was just saying them. My points are related, but not directly in response to your own. You just interpret that as "words in mouth", apparently.

I rarely play games, and am certainly not up to date on them (the newest I got was the Orange Box, and haven't played most of it yet). Anything I say is based on what I like. I'm sorry I'm not great with expressing myself.

I didn't say your Bombshell jail idea was bad. In fact, I never referred to it. I thought it was quite good, actually. The only point I wanted to make was that it's easy to take the wrong path with the story. If the emphasis is put in the wrong places, that'll be bad. I'm just concerned how well they'll cope with it.

I'm not scared of change. I'm scared of bad changes. That's different.

Apparently we (also) have different ideas of "relatively little plot". I know I said "aliens = bad; aliens + bullets = good" should be the main core of the plot, but I didn't say that's all there should be. There can be missions, sure, but the "relatively little" means you can wander around between them at will, shooting random aliens in random maps. Non-linear, I suppose you'd call it. "Relatively little" means you should not be lead around each and every map by hundreds of Minor Objectives that must be followed to the letter. Similarly, "relatively little" means it should be a game, not an interactive movie in which the gaming parts are just the interludes between introducing more of a lengthy and detailed plot (usually impending Armageddon). It's fine to have plot (otherwise it's just pointless), but don't get carried away with it (more plot and explanations doesn't necessarily equal a richer and better environment). I thought Duke 3D did that just fine - simple, interesting, fun. Development is great, but too much isn't.

Again, maybe I don't express myself fully (or maybe you just read things weirdly). The only other option is to not voice my opinion at all, and that's unfair.

[Lt.Havoc]

People, this is the 21st chentury and games eveloved away from the "Story only exist in the handbook" kinda thing in the last 10 years. Do you really expect them to "just" remake DN3D? The game is sold for the mairoty of plyers, not only the die hard Duke fans. The fact that the DNF sotry was written by a Hollywood author means that we will see a lot more story then we used to know.

Todays games life from the story and with few expections, there sint a game that wasnt influenced by the story telling HL1 did. Expect DNF to have a lot more story and a lot more "life" then previous Duke games and I think thats the right way.

Bombshell is in, thats what Scott Miller said. Dont know where the quote was, I bet it was posted in the Dellas Journal thread a while ago. I dont see how Bombshell can ruin the game, at least for me. Hell, I wouldnt mind having a epic story in DNF with ingame scripted or non-scripted sequences and all those gizmos. I also wont mind being send around, I´m used to this since I played Zero Hour on the N64.

I wont mind ghaving a female helping you, it wont bruise my ego in anyway nor will I suddenly see Duke as a weak guy or something like that. For me, there isnt any way that game could be ruined by a single NPC. I adds depth and I hope DNF will have it, at least story wise.

Maybe, just maybe, you people should finally thing in todays deminsions and forget the nostaliga stuff for a moment. I bet my ass that we all will laugh about the worries we had wehn we play DNF. In the end, all the critic is forgotten wehn we have fun playing the game.

Sometimes even 3DR needs to play around with the formular and risk cerain things and experiment around with it.

[colmtourque]

Well if they would put in coop you could have multiple playable characters...ahem...um...<runs away>

[dukeMadness]

Originally Posted by WoodenSword

Come on Joe!
Be a man and fight for the things that you believe in!
Sacrifice yourself for the salvation of the info-starving fans.
Like a true martyr!

LOL!!!!!!

[vcatkiller]

Originally Posted by colmtourque

Well if they would put in coop you could have multiple playable characters...ahem...um...<runs away>

Bombshell in coop + full body awareness=one player does all the work while the other player spends all their time looking down their own top. Guess which one I'd be?

[Teron]

Originally Posted by Tea Monster

I think you guys should lighten up a little. Having Duke talk to himself all day long is a worrying feature for someone we depend on to save the world.

This all smacks of "We don't want smelly girls in our treehouse"

Dudes, grow up!

Why? In games I can hang onto that, np.

Duke is, as already said, an one man army. He never needs to be saved, never needs to wear a bullet proof west, talks funny stuff when facing random situations, never slips into "accidental" situations, ladykiller, alienkiller(), saves our (all hot) chicks, considers women only "cheerleader-like" (if you know what I mean ), never gets old, super soldier (cliché).
I think that pretty sums it up ^^

I don't want this man get ruined by some crazy b!tch that thinks she's better than him and rescues him in a situation where he say's afterwards "Thanks ma'am!" or similar...

[Telee]

I don't think she'd fit into the game very well... Duke's always been about him - just him alone - kicking alien ass and scoring with the chicks after.

Having a sidekick in or "savior" to Duke just wouldn't work at all. Especially the latter.

[vcatkiller]

Why does everybody just assume she'll be a sidekick or somebody who rescues Duke or...

*sigh* I give up, ok Bombshell is teh suxor 'cos she's a girl and Duke's a Nigel Nofriend who works alone. Yay uncreativeness!

[Malgon]

I don't want any sidekick, regardless. Does that help?

[3D Master]

You know, this just doesn't make any sense. I don't understand why anyone would be opposed to there being someone else out there fighting aliens effectively. After all, Duke make be good, but even he can't be in two places at the same time. If there's a full scale invasion launching attacks around the world, there's got to be some others kicking alien ass out there.

So, there's a woman around kicking ass as well, and they cross paths. Big deal.

Oh, as for potential Duke/Bombshell interaction, I once thought up something. I wonder if anyone remembers this:

Duke Nukem - Origin of an Asskicker

[Teron]

From what I know of, Duke saved the world against an invasion two times, so no problem with being everywhere
(I never played the games on console)

[WoodenSword]

Originally Posted by vcatkiller

Why does everybody just assume she'll be a sidekick or somebody who rescues Duke or...

*sigh* I give up, ok Bombshell is teh suxor 'cos she's a girl and Duke's a Nigel Nofriend who works alone. Yay uncreativeness!

In the E1 trailer she definitely looks like a sidekick.That's why. Also if her part wasn't so big then there shouldn't be a big fuss about her name in the first place.

nevertheless its not like that i won't sleep at night if bombshell is in the game!!!
Just something to talk about while waiting for the full trailer!!

[HazMat]

Bombshell might be a vegas P0rn star who ends up showing Duke her tits. If so then I feel that this game might influence me into prostitution. Joe is there any medication i could take to help me out? Like the "down boy pill" or something. lol. I made a stupid joke for no reason what so ever.

No seriously tho, Bombshell should wear metallic armour with cleavage hanging out.

thank you for reading my pointless post, you just got served

[Caine]

awww man lets summarize this topic for the viewers of not liking to have a new character for duke or with duke or without him whatever !

sure the engines and games werent so complex with interactivity (well some for sure but limited with the technique) like you could do today. could be that for that reason we have more games with more heroes in games or sidekicks but still i prefer the older games where you were the only real actor (blood, duke3d, doom, shadow warrior, quake 1&2 etc.) which were also fast placed ! and most games which had any girls were cheesy or were/are console games.

i think we should get duke for duke only, he saves the chicks ! not a chick saves chicks or even DUKE ! HE IS THE STAR and saves them all not a chick... he takes chics for other reasons ! i'm too selfish? no duke is duke and he doesnt let him help, or counterfeit any chic in his way for serious business. but if 3drealms will take the cheesy step then i have not really any hope for many pc games anymore..... many game series' are totally different or more stupid and consolish or dumbed down (c&c3, quake4, deus ex2 etc.).

LET DUKE BE THE ONLY HERO WHO SAVES OUR CHICS AND DOESNT NEED ANY HELP !

[Lt.Havoc]

Originally Posted by Caine

awww man lets summarize this topic for the viewers of not liking to have a new character for duke or with duke or without him whatever !

sure the engines and games werent so complex with interactivity (well some for sure but limited with the technique) like you could do today. could be that for that reason we have more games with more heroes in games or sidekicks but still i prefer the older games where you were the only real actor (blood, duke3d, doom, shadow warrior, quake 1&2 etc.) which were also fast placed ! and most games which had any girls were cheesy or were/are console games.

i think we should get duke for duke only, he saves the chicks ! not a chick saves chicks or even DUKE ! HE IS THE STAR and saves them all not a chick... he takes chics for other reasons ! i'm too selfish? no duke is duke and he doesnt let him help, or counterfeit any chic in his way for serious business. but if 3drealms will take the cheesy step then i have not really any hope for many pc games anymore..... many game series' are totally different or more stupid and consolish or dumbed down (c&c3, quake4, deus ex2 etc.).

LET DUKE BE THE ONLY HERO WHO SAVES OUR CHICS AND DOESNT NEED ANY HELP !

Ah, I see, another one of those "WE are afraid of change" people. Guys, get your heads out of 1996 already and face the future. You also say C&C3 was "dumbed" down? WHat makes you say that? Rember, that Teberian Wars wanst done by Westwood, but done by EA. Most fellow up games you listed above where not made by the orginal team and game makers at all, thats why they where diffrent and thats why some failed.

But DNF is made by 3DR, but even 3DR underwent change, the whole market changed. Nowdays pwoplw ant story, emotions, interactivity and even good graphics. THe concept with the female help worked in HL2, it worked in Metal Gear, it worked in tons of other games and you say it wont work int DNF?

What do you base this assumptions on? We dont know jack about the game, but everyone is talking like an expert here and are nitpciking everything. What makes it diffrent wehn there is a ass kicking chick in the game?

Thing is, I hope that DNF will have a "living world", where things happen without you being directly involed with it. Most games nowdays have all those scripted stuff and everything just waits for you and that inst realsitic at all. I dont want to be the main focuse of the whole thing, I just want to play Duke in a world invaded by Aliens and he goes out to stop them, but its not all about him, because he can be only at one part in the world at a given time (as somone mentioned above).

So, what is Bombshell then? She is part of this world and also goes out to beat the crap out of aliens? WHats the big deal? Do you suddenly get ego problems or wont belive in 3DR wehn Duke teams up with others to save the world? Even Superman and Rambo did this!

You people are only afraid of change, that is. You people are afraid that too many new things could spoil "your game" and that its more like other games out there.Do you really thing after all this time 3DR will "only" remake DN3D? I know, a lot of you guys actually hope that, but I dont think that will be happen.

Also, we all dont even know how Bombshell is implemnted into the game and we dont even know for sure if she is really in, even if Scott Miller said it, it dosnet have to be the full thruth. On the otherhand, why is Bombshell.com registerd by 3DR? Maybe they put Bombshell into DNF to later start a stand alone franchise from there and make a game only focused around Bombshell.

I really dont see a prolbem putting her in, it will only make the game more fun, not less. As I said, we dont know in what form she will appear in DNF. That she isnt a real sidekick, that is for sure, but she could appear here and there. WHy is the idea of a female version of Duke so horrobile to think of, so sacry that you people dont want it and are afraid of it?

Man, I would wish Gorge Brussard would say some words to this before this whole thing ends up being a total flamewar or something.

I, for one, welcome our new female overlord. XD

[LarsBM]

I prefer the term old school.

[Lt.Havoc]

Originally Posted by LarsBM

I prefer the term old school.

Well, I can understand this sentiment and mostalgic feeling, but sometimes we just need to make room for new things. I dont think that 3DR will totally screw this one up and that you will have enough old school and nostlagic feelings during the game. I bet we will see a DN3D game automat in DNF somewhere and several relics, but in the end, DNF will be a new game, no matter how you turn it.

Also, dont expect that 10 years of general game development just passed on DNF, Mr.Brussard has told us more then once that they know about the competion and that they cosly watched the market in the past years.

3DR will make Bombshell fitting into the game, without loosing anything from the orginal feeling. They can pull that off.

[Caine]

Originally Posted by Lt.Havoc

Well, I can understand this sentiment and mostalgic feeling, but sometimes we just need to make room for new things. I dont think that 3DR will totally screw this one up and that you will have enough old school and nostlagic feelings during the game. I bet we will see a DN3D game automat in DNF somewhere and several relics, but in the end, DNF will be a new game, no matter how you turn it.

Also, dont expect that 10 years of general game development just passed on DNF, Mr.Brussard has told us more then once that they know about the competion and that they cosly watched the market in the past years.

3DR will make Bombshell fitting into the game, without loosing anything from the orginal feeling. They can pull that off.

i respect your view and it's your view of the discussion but it sucks that you comment nearly everybody's opinion which is against bombshell...
we accept yours so accept ours and dont get on my nu*s.

[vcatkiller]

You know what would rock? If they switch back to the build engine and make the levels like Doom 1, that would be intense hardcore old school! It should just be one level, made with 50 billion monsters and that's all. Because well-developed storyline and characters is bad. If I have to use any other key other than the fire key, this game will suck. We don't need modern niceties, let's go play Space Invaders in 3D with a shotgun.

[Spardanian]

Originally Posted by vcatkiller

You know what would rock? If they switch back to the build engine and make the levels like Doom 1, that would be intense hardcore old school! It should just be one level, made with 50 billion monsters and that's all. Because well-developed storyline and characters is bad. If I have to use any other key other than the fire key, this game will suck. We don't need modern niceties, let's go play Space Invaders in 3D with a shotgun.

Umm you need to use space too in Duke Nukem 3D

[vcatkiller]

Yeah but the space in Duke3D sucked because it wasn't old school hardcore enough it was like bombshell who's a girl and that's bad because Duke works alone. Space Invaders is better.

[Caine]

go play call of duty 14, medal of honor 25 !

[vcatkiller]

Do they use the Build engine? I hope so because Bombshell sucks and that's why there should be no story in games because Duke works alone and shouldn't have and sidekicks and games should play like Space Invaders because you only have to move and fire and don't care about anything else.

[Caine]

Originally Posted by vcatkiller

Do they use the Build engine? I hope so because Bombshell sucks and that's why there should be no story in games because Duke works alone and shouldn't have and sidekicks and games should play like Space Invaders because you only have to move and fire and don't care about anything else.

you are not funny..... hahaha oh man ........... go play the superstory games from nowadays, pariah lol, medal of honor yeah, call of duty 4 lol, sin episodes lol etc. you want to say they have more story elements? sureeeeeeeeeeee !

you are a defensive spammer, accept that others have other opinions or create your own topic "no one accepts me !" haha !

LET DUKE BE THE ONLY HERO !

[vcatkiller]

It's mostly aimed at the people who jump up and down screaming "Duke works alone, so Bombshell shouldn't be in!" I just got fed up of pointing out she doesn't need to be a frickin' sidekick! She doesn't necessarily have to run around rescuing Duke. There are a thousand other interesting things they could do with Bombshell, but it means people should stop thinking about DNF as Duke3D 2.

Of course I agree Duke works alone. What I disagree with is that means that Bombshell shouldn't be in the game.

THERE CAN BE MORE THAN ONE HERO!