What is Duke3dw?

[LipSheZ]

I have a question: what is Duke3dw and can it be used with EDuke32?

[supergoofy]

Duke3dw is another port based on JFDuke3d, and it's maintainer is ProAsm. It's more advanced than JFDuke3d, it has the latest code by Jonof plus many additions and corrections done by ProAsm. But it doesn't have the advanced EDuke32 features. You cannot play the latest TCs and MODs with Duke3dw. You need EDuke32 for that.

But Duke3dw is more compatible than EDuke32, and many old TCs play better in Duke3dw. That's a fact.

In terms of compatibility, I would say 95% for Duke3dw and 80% for EDuke32.

Both of them can coexist in the same folder (no conflicts). That's a very good thing. Having both of them will make sure that you can run almost 99% of all TCs and MODs.

I would say that EDuke32 is the path to the future and Duke3dw is the connection to the past. Thus we need both of them.

[LipSheZ]

Ok, thanks for explain!

[The Commander]

Originally Posted by supergoofy

But Duke3dw is more compatible than EDuke32, and many old TCs play better in Duke3dw. That's a fact.

In terms of compatibility, I would say 95% for Duke3dw and 80% for EDuke32.

I would disagree, I haven't used this Duke3dw port yet but there is yet to be a mod that I haven't been able to play on Eduke32. If there is one, please let us or TX know.

[supergoofy]

I already informed TX about one map for AVP TC. I hope that he will fix it. Duke3dw do not have any problems with this map.

There also few TCs that also have problems with EDuke32, but I cannot remember now which ones. Because I played AVP a lot, I was able to find the problem. Now I stopped playing.

[The Commander]

Alot of these mods could come down to poor coding that the original 1.5 some how didn't report back as an error but cause a FATAL SIG error thing in Eduke32 which can be fixed by the user if knowen how.

[TerminX]

There are a lot of cases where the original code (and all other ports) will happily overrun array boundaries and shit all over whatever happens to be stored next in memory where EDuke32 will instead segfault and crash. This is a good thing because it means programming errors or ways for CON code to corrupt memory that would ordinarily go unnoticed (with unknown results) becomes a crash you can debug. Sure, this might mean that some old mods with problems require changes to EDuke32 in order to run, but the end result is that the underlying errors can be worked around rather than letting them have whatever random effect they would normally cause.

[Martin Howe]

Originally Posted by TerminX

There are a lot of cases where the original code (and all other ports) will happily overrun array boundaries and shit all over whatever happens to be stored next in memory where EDuke32 will instead segfault and crash. This is a good thing because it means programming errors or ways for CON code to corrupt memory that would ordinarily go unnoticed (with unknown results) becomes a crash you can debug.

Heh. I remember when TeamTNT released BOOM, the first mainstream DOOM source port and this would happen regularly (see especially *cough* spritzoo.wad *cough*) and people would blame TeamTNT for the game crashing. What they didn't realise was the reason they lost a day's spreadsheet work in DOS two days ago is because a WAD file they played (four hours earlier when the boss wasn't looking) stomped all over a TSR's memory

[filipetolhuizen]

Can eDuke32 or Duke3dw handle this map? JFDuke3d crashes all the time with it.

[ProAsm]

I dont think its a case of the software, perhaps your hardware cannot handle it as both Eduke32 and Duke3dw handles it my end no problem at all.
Not a single crash.
JFDuke3d (Oct 2005) did however crash several times with me on the platform dock area next to the ship and also on the ship just before entering the bridge.
I tried it with and without the Hrp and got same results in all cases.

[filipetolhuizen]

hmm, bug in JFDuke, that's what I thought. The original Duke used to run it fine too. It's just that every version of JFDuke crashed this map and I've never tried it again thinking the others could crash it too. Thanks again Pro. Now I'm able to play this map again.

[Martin Howe]

Is anybody else getting no map music with Duke3DW? Trying 4.0.3.0; the title music is fine, but no music plays during a map; the console says "Playing Music: " and that's it.

Log file (starting a regular game, no addons):
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Initialising Windows DirectX/GDI system interface
OS: Windows Vista (Version 6.0.6001)
  - Service Pack 1
Loading OPENGL32.DLL
Initialising DirectDraw...
  - Loading DDRAW.DLL
  - Enumerating display devices
    * Primary Display Driver
  - Creating DirectDraw object
  - Checking capabilities

Duke Nukem 3D
Copyright (c) 1996 3D Realms Entertainment

Duke3dw - Version 4.0.3.0 - Revision 331.216
Adding Duke3d.grp  group file.
Adding Duke3dw.grp group file.
Compiling: game.con (151190 bytes)
Including: DEFS.CON (35992 bytes)
Including: USER.CON (45482 bytes)
Looks like Atomic Edition CON files.
Code Size: 64824 bytes (1795 labels).
Initialising DirectInput...
  - Loading DINPUT.DLL
  - Creating DirectInput object
  - Enumerating attached input devices
    * MOUSE: Mouse
    * KEYBOARD: Keyboard
  - Creating keyboard device
  - Creating mouse device
Initialising mouse
CONTROL_Startup: Mouse Present
Initialising timer
Loading art header.
initcache(): Initialised with 16777216 bytes
Loading palette/lookups.
Duke3dw definitions file loaded.

RTS Manager Started.
RTS file DUKE.RTS was not found
Loading palette/lookups.
Setting video mode 1440x900 (32-bit fullscreen)
Checking music inits.
Checking sound inits.
Initializing MultiVoc...
  - Maximum voices: 32
  - Using 2784 byte mixing buffers
Initializing DirectSound...
  - Loading DSOUND.DLL
  - Creating DirectSound object
  - Creating primary buffer
  - Setting primary buffer format
      Channels:    2
      Sample rate: 48000Hz
      Sample size: 16 bits
  - Creating secondary buffer
Demo demo1.dmo is of an incompatible version (117).
Cache time: 46ms
Playing Music: 
AMMO FOR PISTOL!
Uninitializing MultiVoc...
DirectSound: Waiting for sound thread to exit
DirectSound: Sound thread has exited
Uninitializing DirectSound...
  - Releasing secondary buffer
  - Releasing primary buffer
  - Releasing DirectSound object
  - Unloading DSOUND.DLL
Uninitialising DirectDraw...
  - Releasing DirectDraw object
  - Unloading DDRAW.DLL
Uninitialising DirectInput...
  - Releasing keyboard device
  - Releasing mouse device
  - Releasing DirectInput object
  - Unloading DINPUT.DLL

[supergoofy]

Yep, confirmed. It's a bug. Title music works, but no ingame music.

[supergoofy]

From what ProAsm said to me is that 4.0.3.1 will fix this bug and he will also add an autosave option.

Superb job ProAsm