Wired DNF article

[JobivanHiob]

Originally Posted by French

Their hands are tied, try to understand them, maybe this teasing ( because it's clear that de "D-DAY" pic is from DNF ) is the only way for them to talk about the game.

Let's just wait the end of the lawsuit.

wait for what end? I can't wait for an end of the lawsuit if I don't know when this will be...It could end in 2 weeks or in 2 months or in 10 months....how to look forward an end if there is no one for us, due to not knowing of it.


and what if the judge is ordering another hearing/court date?


MADNESS!

[James696]

Originally Posted by JobivanHiob

wait for what end? I can't wait for an end of the lawsuit if I don't know when this will be...It could end in 2 weeks or in 2 months or in 10 months....how to look forward an end if there is no one for us, due to not knowing of it.


and what if the judge is ordering another hearing/court date?


MADNESS!

'Madness? THIS - IS -' nope I can't do it, that joke's far too easy.

[8IronBob]

Seems like the lawsuit may last as long as the game development at this point.

[the professional]

Originally Posted by French

Their hands are tied, try to understand them, maybe this teasing ( because it's clear that de "D-DAY" pic is from DNF ) is the only way for them to talk about the game.

Let's just wait the end of the lawsuit.

That's the only official way to talk about it. Unless your lips are physically glued shut and your hands are cut off, there are ways to communicate that do not attach your name to it...

[Steve]

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[8IronBob]

I've got to pick up that mag!

[Angelo86]

Originally Posted by Steve

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Real new screenshot!

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[Psyrgery]

Originally Posted by Angelo86

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Winrar.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Psyrgery

Winrar.

It supports many things. Great app

[Duke's New Chainsaw]

You have won 'Post of the Day'!

Congratulations, Steve!!!

[peoplessi]

Originally Posted by Steve

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Awesome, those shaders make it look almost life-like.

[8IronBob]

Can't argue with that...definitely looks better than HL2 graphics, if not more recent than that.

[LaughingMan008]

Was wondering if any of you folks saw this:

http://www.jonof.id.au/forum/index.php?topic=1685.0

Thread from that Duke Source Port thing about the shuttering of 3D Realms. Ken "Build Engine" Silverman himself had this to say about the Wired article.

"I was not interviewed for the article. I wouldn't have anything to say about what happened after my time, however I can say that George behaved the same way for Duke 3D. It's funny how the team motto was to not let him see other games. Luckily, there were fewer games to see in 1996. ;-)"

[MegaMustaine]

That was why Duke 3D was so kickass and ahead of its time. Hell Duke 3D still does things that most games don't do today.

[osuperduke]

Geroge, I still play Duke Nukem 3d today and play multiplayer on Yang or Meltdown. Just want you to know that Duke Nukem Forever doesn't matter to me until it's available. If the game becomes available great, I will be the first in line to buy it. To all you idiots out there, stop askin "It will be done when it will be done." . If it never gets done, join me for a game of Duke Nukem 3D. ;P

[Gabriel]

Originally Posted by osuperduke

Geroge, I still play Duke Nukem 3d today and play multiplayer on Yang or Meltdown. Just want you to know that Duke Nukem Forever doesn't matter to me until it's available. If the game becomes available great, I will be the first in line to buy it. To all you idiots out there, stop askin "It will be done when it will be done." . If it never gets done, join me for a game of Duke Nukem 3D. ;P

This is the most intelligent thing i've read on here ever since

I'll join you some day on DN3D

[Wamplet]

Originally Posted by SpinX

why doesn't anybody know when the court date is? So we can actually abandon any hope of news untill that date and we can spare ourselves a lot of time...

If George or Scott reads this, can they please have the respect to give us a date...

WID

When It's Docketed.

[8IronBob]

Heh...knew that line was coming. Just the ol' same song and dance... The WID jargon is the big montra here in these forums, and it'll just keep on echoing through.

[Unbeholder]

Originally Posted by JobivanHiob

yes thats the case due to the Critical Mass holiday card pic. But there is still the D-Day pic and Scotts message on his FB: "Something big and unexpected will soon be announced"

Scott&George if you don't show us something substential until January 16th (DNF anniversary) I'm done.

Teasing us to death and not delivering is something WE die-hard fans can't take anymore!!! Kidding us this much is just too much!

Well its the 16th today... I guess its over. Nothing.

Good bye JobivanHiob. I left these forums 2 years ago. And only just now have I come in for a quick peak. I guess its now another fan leaving Duke Nukem. Ah well. 3drealms must have known that the teasing, and hype train is just a spit on our faces, and not a light hearted joke like it would seem.

[JobivanHiob]

the anniversary was April 26th or 28th 1997, so there is some time left...

hmm....I'm still here, strange I guess something is wrong. We die hard fans have the patience of ents!

[duubhglas]

I'm a Die Hard fan. Damn, Bruce Willis!

[JobivanHiob]

I'm so DIE HARD, I would even want so see Bruce Willis playing the Duke.

[Baboy]

http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/14980...ookalike.jhtml

Classic.

[Duke's New Chainsaw]

Originally Posted by Unbeholder

Well its the 16th today... I guess its over. Nothing.

Uh... it's still the 15th in Texas.

[Rockn-Roll]

A very good article...someone did some good research. After reading it I think it's clear that the court decision will not be a quick one. But, if Take-Two has documentation requiring DNF to be ready for release after two years or even "a reasonable amount of time" as it seems more likely...then 3DR will owe Take-Two significantly more than just their money back with interest. I think the court will see 3DRs failure to deliver as a breach of contract to deliver DNF to Take-Two. And, the most sensible closure of the Case would be to award Take-Two the rights and properties of DNF in compensation.

Keep in mind that with game releases like COD: Modern Warfare 2 the existing DNF code is technically outdated especially if it's running on the UT1 engine and would never be the blockbuster that George wanted it to be. But, that's George's problem...he didn't understand that if he would have simply wrapped up the work that they had and released it BEFORE changing game engines then none of the sadness would be here. We wouldn't have gotting some huge game that we could spend 20 hours playing, but we would have a new version every 2 years that had about 4 hours each with each upgrade of DNF. I wonder if he really knows how sad this is?

[JobivanHiob]

Originally Posted by Rockn-Roll

A very good article...someone did some good research. After reading it I think it's clear that the court decision will not be a quick one. But, if Take-Two has documentation requiring DNF to be ready for release after two years or even "a reasonable amount of time" as it seems more likely...then 3DR will owe Take-Two significantly more than just their money back with interest. I think the court will see 3DRs failure to deliver as a breach of contract to deliver DNF to Take-Two. And, the most sensible closure of the Case would be to award Take-Two the rights and properties of DNF in compensation.

Keep in mind that with game releases like COD: Modern Warfare 2 the existing DNF code is technically outdated especially if it's running on the UT1 engine and would never be the blockbuster that George wanted it to be. But, that's George's problem...he didn't understand that if he would have simply wrapped up the work that they had and released it BEFORE changing game engines then none of the sadness would be here. We wouldn't have gotting some huge game that we could spend 20 hours playing, but we would have a new version every 2 years that had about 4 hours each with each upgrade of DNF. I wonder if he really knows how sad this is?

WTF UNREAL 1 engine?! What have you been smoking.

DNF runs un a 90% rewritten Unreal 2 Engine...the Duke engine is at least as good as Unreal Engine 3.

[duubhglas]

You know, know I'm thinking Ken Silverman just gave Take Two more ammunition when he told about Duke 3D development.

[WoodenSword]

Originally Posted by Rockn-Roll

A very good article...someone did some good research.

Really what makes it a good research?

Their reliable input?
Their scientifically validated arguments?
Their mature and unbiased! conclusions?

It is not even a research. And i wouldn't dare to name Clive Thompson a researcher even as a joke.

[Duke's New Chainsaw]

Originally Posted by Rockn-Roll

A very good article...

Awesome. Someone else who doesn't know wtf they're talking about.

[Baboy]

The problem is, we think we know "the truth", but as a matter of fact we don't. We don't know anything more for sure than the author of the article, as any fact regarding 3DR and DNF has to be taken with a bit of scepticism. I would say the article seems fairly close to reality, but of course there's no way to check the anonymous sources.

[MegaMustaine]

Originally Posted by Baboy

The problem is, we think we know "the truth", but as a matter of fact we don't. We don't know anything more for sure than the author of the article, as any fact regarding 3DR and DNF has to be taken with a bit of scepticism. I would say the article seems fairly close to reality, but of course there's no way to check the anonymous sources.

His only anonymous sources are the forum members who he stole his ideas from. There is literally nothing new in the article.

[Baboy]

Originally Posted by MegaMustaine

His only anonymous sources are the forum members who he stole his ideas from. There is literally nothing new in the article.

Indeed those anonymous sources seem to come from the forum, but it is possible someone did hit the truth with some speculation, who knows. Since Duke3D there has been plenty of stuff going on at 3DR but very few could be officially confirmed, most of the news were simply comments by people working on DNF or something. It's hard to understand what's going on when there's no such thing as official words - and there's no surprise then if people come out with wild speculations. So many that they might even be right sometimes.

[prophecy holder]

Originally Posted by WoodenSword

Really what makes it a good research?

Their reliable input?
Their scientifically validated arguments?
Their mature and unbiased! conclusions?

It is not even a research. And i wouldn't dare to name Clive Thompson a researcher even as a joke.

Yes because George and everyone else here is unbiased as well.

[Draco]

I hope I'm not necroing this thread too much, but I found out my old password just to comment how damning this article is.

In fact, I'm not quite sure which specifically is more damning: the actual meat of the article, or the fact that it explains other people were asked my George not to talk to the writers of the article.

Recently Joakim Noah (player for the Chicago Bulls) was asked what he felt about his coach, Vinnie Del Negro. He said "If you were my friend, I would tell you a lot of things, but I feel like if I say something, it's going to make things really bad.".

Just like Noah, the people who didn't speak to Wired didn't have to say anything. When the article later cited other people's comments, it was backed by the fact that these were the few that did talk. Instead of a few disgruntled people, the reader gets the impression that there's a lot more not being said. George's comments to disregard the article only strengthen that belief, and make people question: if the article is so innacurate, why ask people with knowledge of the situation not to assist?

Now, do we need to know it all? No, I don't think so. This article (however George wants to protest that its biased or wrong) makes it pretty clear what doomed DNF; the rest is fluff and backstory. We got what I believe to be an accurate core of DNF's development, despite every attempt at preventing that.

In closing, God Bless Brian Hook.