A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought

Mr Bear · 08-26-2008, 04:26 PM

Greetings, everyone....

First and foremost, I consider myself to be huge DNF fanatic. I've only been a registered member here for a few months, but I had been browsing these forums for years before that....I distinctly remember people being hyped for the e3 '01 video.

While I'm not quite Kristian Johansen (sp?), I do believe I've seen a good 99% of GB's quotes spanning in time from the beginning of DNF's development until now. And I believe that that same percentage applies to how much I know about DNF(for someone on the "outside").

So my point is, I was looking through some quotes throughout the years and I have a minor worry that I'd like to share...

I hope this thread is not deleted as my purpose is not to cause an uproar as a flamer(which I'm not); rather bring (what I believe to be) a fairly valid point.

Nowadays, George has confirmed everything is on track and the game's development is moving along smoothly.

*BUT*

He also states that this was not always the case....he tells of how they "****** up" majorly several times, causing a couple of restarts.

Now during those "******* up" times, where the development was far less than peachy, I don't recall George or anyone ever saying:

"Hey guys, things aren't looking too good right now, our tech is very weak so we have decided to rewrite the rendering code over the next year and then work on all new content- we're basically starting over again, even though it's already 2002."

Well, from hearing George talk today he very well could have(hypothetically speaking) made that exact quote at the beginning of 2002 without having lied.....

Now I'm NOT trying to come out and say "3DR is full of shit, the game is doomed etc.."

I'm just wondering if George could comment on this observation of mine.

I guess it all boils down to me wondering if George is being quite as forthcoming on the game's current status as he could be....all we've heard recently is about how great things are running.

Most of me believes that the game is doing just fine(as we've been told), but a small part of me simply can't ignore that we were essentially lied to in the past.

Oh, and if anyone has a different account of what truly happened please feel more than free to chime in. Remember, I'm only giving my own recollection of events; I may very well be wrong in the way things played out. Please tell me whether or not my concerns are justified.

I'm seriously not trying to be a troll here; I'd just like to hear possibly a word of reassurance.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Ironside · 08-26-2008, 04:41 PM

3dr is just a semi small group in Texas where the cocane and prostitutes are cheap man, cut them some slack.

Echo Black · 08-26-2008, 04:58 PM

I think they've learned from their mistakes. 3DR knows better than lying to their hardcore fans. Duke 3D on XBLA, a timely introduction to a new fanbase, basically convinced me DNF is coming after the warmup. Not necessarily this year, but you catch my drift.

I do think there's a "reintroduce Duke" thing going on prior to DNF's announcement.

This is all hypothetical but yeah, I think they're going to pull it off this time.

BloodWolf806 · 08-26-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Echo Black

I think they've learned from their mistakes. 3DR knows better than lying to their hardcore fans. Duke 3D on XBLA, a timely introduction to a new fanbase, basically convinced me DNF is coming after the warmup. Not necessarily this year, but you catch my drift.

I do think there's a "reintroduce Duke" thing going on prior to DNF's announcement.

This is all hypothetical but yeah, I think they're going to pull it off this time.

It isn't hypothetical.

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Originally Posted by OXM Online

As great as all this sounds, surely there had to be some other, less obvious reason for Duke’s debut on Xbox. “We saw it as an opportunity to learn the 360 on a smaller project,” he admitted. “Doing all the work for leaderboards, multiplayer, TCR compliance, etc. translates directly into Duke Nukem Forever.”

They're releasing Duke 3D on XBLA for two reasons:
1.) Reintroduce Duke Nukem to the masses to get hype going for DNF
2.) I could only assume the quote above was (semi) confirmation of an Xbox 360 version, which means 3DR is trying to appeal to a much larger audience than the PC offers. If they're already porting the game to the Xbox 360 they are probably pretty close to finishing the game.

GOK · 08-27-2008, 02:20 AM

Oh, I see..... statements like "the game is coming along swimmingly" means the same as previous no statements on progress and a quiet restart

X-Vector · 08-27-2008, 02:50 AM

Statements like "things were not going as we hoped before, but we've made some changes and are back on track now, motoring along better than ever" have been made several times over the whole duration of development.
The switch from Quake to Unreal technology was probably the first instance.

Otto · 08-27-2008, 09:22 AM

If you start something enough times, you eventually finish. It's all good.

JustLikeMusic · 08-27-2008, 10:13 AM

3drealms is not a huge company and I believe they are not going to release DNF until its perfect (lets all hope). They are also hiring so please anybody with some skillz give these guys a hand!

I've also wondered, How many presidential administrations will go by till the release??

mysteryperfecta · 08-27-2008, 11:38 AM

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I guess it all boils down to me wondering if George is being quite as forthcoming on the game's current status as he could be....all we've heard recently is about how great things are running.

George isn't being anywhere near as forthcoming as he could be... he never has been. Its his way. We've all just had to, begrudgingly or otherwise, accept GB's philosophy on the matter, and take his statements for what they're worth (i.e. not much).

Personally, I have no problem taking GB's latest "enthusiasm" as geniune, and as an indication that 3dr is heading full-steam toward the finish line. I'm NOT stupid enough to speculate on when they'll reach that finish line. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me can't get fooled again.

jagguar20 · 08-27-2008, 05:47 PM

I just want The Duke Nukem Forever.

bazboyz · 08-27-2008, 07:13 PM

I just hope the posible buy out of Take 2 by E.A don't waterdown the games and make them mass produdce sequalsDose 3dreals have to Stay with Take 2 /EA or go with thier own Radar

MegaMustaine · 08-28-2008, 12:10 AM

Take 2 owns the rights to publish the game. That is all they own. If EA were to buy Take 2, I would assume that the publishing rights would go along with that, but all they would have would be those publishing rights. 3DR has the rights to everything else related to the game, and the game is self funded so basically they can tell anybody they want to screw off or as George might put it "STFU!"

Malgon · 08-28-2008, 12:11 AM

George tells EA to STFU! That would be gold.

Sharpie · 08-28-2008, 01:01 AM

Duke Nukem 3d XBLA is definitely related to DNF in some way whether 3DR deny it or not. As a few of you have stated earlier in this thread i believe that DN3D Arcade is re introducing Duke Nukem to the masses. You can't just throw a game into the wild that people have forgotten about. DN3D arcade is a treat for the fans but it is also a marketing ploy. And i openly accept it and believe it is a great idea to "hopefully" start the DNF hype train.

Also i think we all know the stance 3DR takes on a publisher that tells them to hurry DNF up STFU anyone

Lt.Havoc · 08-28-2008, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Malgon

George tells EA to STFU! That would be gold.

Heh, I would like to see that happen........and the million dollar trail followed by it. You dont just say something like that to one of the largest game makers and publishers in the world. I bet EA even would try to take over 3DR then.

ZaphodB · 08-28-2008, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Lt.Havoc

Heh, I would like to see that happen........and the million dollar trail followed by it. You dont just say something like that to one of the largest game makers and publishers in the world. I bet EA even would try to take over 3DR then.

They couldn't. 3DRealms is privately owned, no public stock or stockholders. EA would have no leverage.

Thriller · 08-28-2008, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mysteryperfecta

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me can't get fooled again.

Mr Bear, I´ve been around since 99, gathering quotes and what not back then. They have been this positive most of the time, excluding the "area51" years... Or, well, maybe including those as well, the few times they did speak.

Personally, I believe more in the project this time than I have in a long time though. Simply because I just cant understand how they´d make the same misstake again. Just.. no.

crunchy superman · 08-28-2008, 06:37 AM

I believe when he says stuff like that he honestly means what he says at the time. But as we've seen time and time again, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the way things actually turn out. But then, that could also be said about many things in life for anyone.

So until the Hype Machine™ begins, comments like these mean nothing to me anymore.

jaimie10 · 08-28-2008, 07:25 AM

I'm not sure whether or not GB has lied in the past re DNF development and even if he has, he has no obligation to keep joe public up-to-date regarding 3DRealms products. But by not doing so he has alienated a lot of fans and demonstrated very poor judgement with some of the statements he has made e.g "when its done." Basically with that, what he was saying was, we're developing something you want, we don't know when it will be ready, we will tell you when its ready, stop asking us oh and please be around in 5 years to buy our nice product, pretty please.

Can you imagine going into your local Porsche dealership to enquire about the new 911. "We don't know anything about the new car, its being developed, we have no information and we have no idea when it will be completed. And no we have no picture. Good day sir. Slaps customer with wet fish.

If it's a great game 3DRealms will reap the rewards, people will buy the game regardless of how long development has taken and regardless of GB/3Ds attitude to DNF fans during development. And unfortunately GB knows this. Must be great to be in a position of having a product that people want and no matter what you do (or dont do) or say they still want it. Bill Gates would you please stand up!

Mr Bear · 08-28-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Thriller

Mr Bear, I´ve been around since 99, gathering quotes and what not back then. They have been this positive most of the time, excluding the "area51" years... Or, well, maybe including those as well, the few times they did speak.

Personally, I believe more in the project this time than I have in a long time though. Simply because I just cant understand how they´d make the same misstake again. Just.. no.

But people have been saying every year since about 2001- That the game has to be almost done because seriously, how ridiculous is a 4/5/5/7..... year development cycle??

And now we're on year 12....

And every one of those years, the DNF uber-fanboys(myself included) would give what we thought to be concrete evidence as to why 2001-2008 would be the magical year.

And most(if not all) of that "evidence" came from obsessively picking apart George's quotes.

Now you say, "BUT WE havz teh teazor!!" Well, I'll admit that this is more than we've had in a while but still, there was always that one major "sign" of the year that stood out as irrefutable "proof" that a release was in sight.

I'm at the point where every bone in my body believes it will be 2009, but then I step back and realize I've been saying that same thing each and every year for more than half a decade.

It's so weird, it's almost like an internal battle between the part of me that believes and the part of me that *WANTS* to believe, but struggles to after looking back at each year of disappointment.

Alright, just go ahead and post that UFO pic, hehe.

We'll just have to wait and see(which is something I've been telling myself every year, too

).

MegaMustaine · 08-28-2008, 07:35 PM

Just don't worry about it. If it comes tomorrow great, and if not well who cares. Eventually it will come and if it doesn't well at least you didn't spend your life waiting for it. When things are officially announced ala Duke 3D Xbox Live Arcade, then get excited. For some reason I see this thread becoming locked in the very near future.

bubbahotep · 08-29-2008, 04:26 PM

Well I'm sure it will be out before 2012.
Uhm, Maybe I should ask, "Has anyone mentioned to them about the mayan calender that says the world ends in about 4.5 yrs?
As long as I have at least 2 weeks to play it before then, I'll be happy.

Commando Nukem · 08-29-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbahotep

Well I'm sure it will be out before 2012.
Uhm, Maybe I should ask, "Has anyone mentioned to them about the mayan calender that says the world ends in about 4.5 yrs?
As long as I have at least 2 weeks to play it before then, I'll be happy.

The world is not going to end in 2012. This bullshit has got to stop.

Ironside · 08-29-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbahotep

Well I'm sure it will be out before 2012.
Uhm, Maybe I should ask, "Has anyone mentioned to them about the mayan calender that says the world ends in about 4.5 yrs?
As long as I have at least 2 weeks to play it before then, I'll be happy.

The Mayans somehow knew that there are 5000 years cycles the sun goes through and 2012 is the renewal of a cycle. We have noticed since 1850 that the sun is getting hotter and hotter. We are going through a climate shift and the topography of the earth will dramatically change by the time the sun settles down again.

Mr Bear · 08-29-2008, 05:17 PM

Aight, I think this thread has run it's course....especially not that we're arguing about the Mayan calender and when the world will end.

But since I'm not glued to my PC 24/7 refreshing the 3DR news page every 5 seconds in hope of seeing DNF news, I shouldn't really care that much.

It'll be nice to see it WID but until then, Duke's well-being or lackthereof doesn't matter one bit in the grand scheme of things.

My life, of course, does not revolve around DNF. And I hope no one else's does either. (save George B. and co.)

Commando Nukem · 08-29-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Bear

My life, of course, does not revolve around DNF. And I hope no one else's does either. (save George B. and co.)

People's hobbies should not be looked down upon.

Mr Bear · 08-29-2008, 08:16 PM

Having a "hobby" is drastically different than having your "whole life revolving around something".

DNF is a hobby of mine and many others- nothing wrong with that.

But for it to become an obsession and get to a point where you're literally eating, drinking, sleeping and breathing nothing but DNF(or any game, for that matter) is quite unhealthy not to mention pathetic.

Of course as I said, Broussard and the crew are an obvious exception to the above statement.

bubbahotep · 08-31-2008, 05:04 PM

Jeez, it was just a joke, not to be taken seriously. Lighten up alittle CN, have you no sense of humor?
I don't really believe all that crap either, but what's the harm in poking some fun at all this.

Commando Nukem · 08-31-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbahotep

Jeez, it was just a joke, not to be taken seriously. Lighten up alittle CN, have you no sense of humor?
I don't really believe all that crap either, but what's the harm in poking some fun at all this.

Okay, but it's not funny because people actually believe that bullcrap. Not to mention that joke has been made dozens of times, right up there with "DUKE NUKEM (TAKING) FOREVER" and the like. I'd laugh it was funny, but its not. Its sad.

Not to mention you made no implication it was sarcasm. No emoticons to imply it was a joke.

etc...

bubbahotep · 08-31-2008, 05:49 PM

Sorry CN, I don't frequent these forums like I used to years ago. So my knowledge of the overuse of that subject is small.
Unfortunately I can't help it if some ppl actually believe that stuff either or other equally goofy things.
I am too old to take to much too seriously anymore so I am a bit of a joker.
I don't go out of my way to be insensitive but I don't let other ppl's phobia's and paranoia's keep me from trying to having fun either.
Also I did put an emote at the end signifying it was a joke. Maybe the wrong one, who knows.

Anyway, sorry again for the misunderstanding. Peace

prophecy holder · 09-09-2008, 07:07 PM

DNF has taken forever, end of story. Lets get back to the waiting ok guys?

J.P. · 09-09-2008, 07:23 PM

Well, we saw some actual in-game footage and a teaser. But, that ain't much considering. All we can do is anticipate and follow GB quotes, short of actually breaking into the the 3drealms facility to collect intel.

I'd like to believe that the Realms are in the midst of several "polish passes", but we don't have much to go on do we.

So, concern valid.

That being said, I suggest the Realms should perhaps temporarily set aside a team member or two to work on ONE screenshot to release and keep the steady stream of media going, it's been awhile since the J.C. Hall show.

AdamCommando · 09-09-2008, 07:42 PM

Figuring out 3dRealm's progress on Duke Nukem Forever based on what we've heard is like shaking a wrapped birthday present to figure what's inside.

I really hope we get more pics soon.

Malgon · 09-09-2008, 11:41 PM

^Haha, so true!

Mr. Gruntsworthy · 09-14-2008, 02:22 PM

the up and coming release of duke 3d for xbox live arcade is definitely a prelude to something.

IwantMORE · 09-14-2008, 03:31 PM

well I sill believe they will not release the game until they are happy with it. And unless the beer, cheap whores and pizza has not gone to their heads... Then the game should be good when it comes out.

Onebullit · 09-21-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironside

3dr is just a semi small group in Texas where the cocane and prostitutes are cheap man, cut them some slack.

If you really want something done, you wont play arround with coca and expensive *****...

Stop with the coca and the bitches and the game will finish itself.

Maybe in the weekends and only if mammy allows to.

Peace

Angilion · 09-21-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by IwantMORE

well I sill believe they will not release the game until they are happy with it. [..]

And that is my concern. They've spent a lot of time on this extremely high-profile game - will they ever be happy with it? It's not like a big company, where decisions are made by people who never actually worked on the game.

Sir Charles Babbage comes to mind. He invented a programmable general-purpose computer in the 1830s. No typo - 1830s, as in almost 200 years ago. One of the main reasons it was never built was that he kept changing the design to make it better.

Smackerlacker · 11-17-2008, 07:37 PM

Now I'm no PR guy, but here's my two cents. I think that 3DR NEEDS this game. In the past ten years they've sunk from being the kings of gaming, to little more than a memory. They need the Duke to put them back on top. Duke Nukem is coming, or 3DR is going.

Mr Bear · 11-17-2008, 07:57 PM

Well, DUH....lol.

It's pretty obvious that if they never release this game they will have a zero percent chance of ever being recognized an even semi-competent developer....even with the great Duke 3D in consideration.

Their moderate success with Duke 3D back in 1996 will look like nothing, and I mean NOTHING in comparison to DNF being canceled after 11+ years.

Even if DNF is released tomorrow and is even a fraction of hair below, say, HL2 quality, 3DR is as good as done for.

And I'm not saying it should be that way, I'm just predicting what will actually happen....DNF will literally have to cure AIDS and cancer, bring world peace, completely mend the ozone layer and end poverty in order to even have half a shot of being recognized for how good it is compared to how long it took to make.

Long story short: No game can live up to a hype-machine lasting more than a decade.

08-26-2008, 04:26 PM	#1
Mr Bear	A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Greetings, everyone.... First and foremost, I consider myself to be huge DNF fanatic. I've only been a registered member here for a few months, but I had been browsing these forums for years before that....I distinctly remember people being hyped for the e3 '01 video. While I'm not quite Kristian Johansen (sp?), I do believe I've seen a good 99% of GB's quotes spanning in time from the beginning of DNF's development until now. And I believe that that same percentage applies to how much I know about DNF(for someone on the "outside"). So my point is, I was looking through some quotes throughout the years and I have a minor worry that I'd like to share... I hope this thread is not deleted as my purpose is not to cause an uproar as a flamer(which I'm not); rather bring (what I believe to be) a fairly valid point. Nowadays, George has confirmed everything is on track and the game's development is moving along smoothly. BUT He also states that this was not always the case....he tells of how they "**** up" majorly several times, causing a couple of restarts. Now during those "*** up" times, where the development was far less than peachy, I don't recall George or anyone ever saying: "Hey guys, things aren't looking too good right now, our tech is very weak so we have decided to rewrite the rendering code over the next year and then work on all new content- we're basically starting over again, even though it's already 2002." Well, from hearing George talk today he very well could have(hypothetically speaking) made that exact quote at the beginning of 2002 without having lied..... Now I'm NOT** trying to come out and say "3DR is full of shit, the game is doomed etc.." I'm just wondering if George could comment on this observation of mine. I guess it all boils down to me wondering if George is being quite as forthcoming on the game's current status as he could be....all we've heard recently is about how great things are running. Most of me believes that the game is doing just fine(as we've been told), but a small part of me simply can't ignore that we were essentially lied to in the past. Oh, and if anyone has a different account of what truly happened please feel more than free to chime in. Remember, I'm only giving my own recollection of events; I may very well be wrong in the way things played out. Please tell me whether or not my concerns are justified. I'm seriously not trying to be a troll here; I'd just like to hear possibly a word of reassurance. Anyone have any thoughts?

08-26-2008, 04:41 PM	#2
Ironside	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought 3dr is just a semi small group in Texas where the cocane and prostitutes are cheap man, cut them some slack.

08-26-2008, 04:58 PM	#3
Echo Black	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought I think they've learned from their mistakes. 3DR knows better than lying to their hardcore fans. Duke 3D on XBLA, a timely introduction to a new fanbase, basically convinced me DNF is coming after the warmup. Not necessarily this year, but you catch my drift. I do think there's a "reintroduce Duke" thing going on prior to DNF's announcement. This is all hypothetical but yeah, I think they're going to pull it off this time. __________________ “Having a reasonable grounding in statistics and probability and no belief in luck, fate, karma, or God(s), the only casino game that interests me is blackjack. Playing blackjack properly is a test of personal discipline." - John Carmack Last edited by Echo Black; 08-26-2008 at 05:01 PM.

08-27-2008, 02:20 AM	#5
GOK	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Oh, I see..... statements like "the game is coming along swimmingly" means the same as previous no statements on progress and a quiet restart __________________ Wang Bang Heaven: more bang for ya buck. GOK

08-27-2008, 02:50 AM	#6
X-Vector	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Statements like "things were not going as we hoped before, but we've made some changes and are back on track now, motoring along better than ever" have been made several times over the whole duration of development. The switch from Quake to Unreal technology was probably the first instance. __________________ We're on an express elevator to hell... going clown. HELLO, MY FRIEND - freindship make a happiness double times and divide sadness half and make us remove our unhappiness. Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb

08-27-2008, 09:22 AM	#7
Otto	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought If you start something enough times, you eventually finish. It's all good.

08-27-2008, 10:13 AM	#8
JustLikeMusic	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought 3drealms is not a huge company and I believe they are not going to release DNF until its perfect (lets all hope). They are also hiring so please anybody with some skillz give these guys a hand! I've also wondered, How many presidential administrations will go by till the release??

08-27-2008, 05:47 PM	#10
jagguar20	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought I just want The Duke Nukem Forever.

08-27-2008, 07:13 PM	#11
bazboyz	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought I just hope the posible buy out of Take 2 by E.A don't waterdown the games and make them mass produdce sequalsDose 3dreals have to Stay with Take 2 /EA or go with thier own Radar __________________ So long and thanks for all the fish .Dougles Adams

08-28-2008, 12:10 AM	#12
MegaMustaine	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Take 2 owns the rights to publish the game. That is all they own. If EA were to buy Take 2, I would assume that the publishing rights would go along with that, but all they would have would be those publishing rights. 3DR has the rights to everything else related to the game, and the game is self funded so basically they can tell anybody they want to screw off or as George might put it "STFU!" __________________ This signature is a 77/100!

08-28-2008, 12:11 AM	#13
Malgon	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought George tells EA to STFU! That would be gold. __________________ -Most wanted games: Doom 4, Tomb Raider, Beyond Good and Evil 2

08-28-2008, 01:01 AM	#14
Sharpie	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Duke Nukem 3d XBLA is definitely related to DNF in some way whether 3DR deny it or not. As a few of you have stated earlier in this thread i believe that DN3D Arcade is re introducing Duke Nukem to the masses. You can't just throw a game into the wild that people have forgotten about. DN3D arcade is a treat for the fans but it is also a marketing ploy. And i openly accept it and believe it is a great idea to "hopefully" start the DNF hype train. Also i think we all know the stance 3DR takes on a publisher that tells them to hurry DNF up STFU anyone __________________ 360 gamertag: sharpie92 DNF on 360 please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFct6lg0Vmo <<<< Watch for a laugh

08-28-2008, 06:37 AM	#18
crunchy superman	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought I believe when he says stuff like that he honestly means what he says at the time. But as we've seen time and time again, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the way things actually turn out. But then, that could also be said about many things in life for anyone. So until the Hype Machine™ begins, comments like these mean nothing to me anymore. __________________

08-28-2008, 07:25 AM	#19
jaimie10	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought I'm not sure whether or not GB has lied in the past re DNF development and even if he has, he has no obligation to keep joe public up-to-date regarding 3DRealms products. But by not doing so he has alienated a lot of fans and demonstrated very poor judgement with some of the statements he has made e.g "when its done." Basically with that, what he was saying was, we're developing something you want, we don't know when it will be ready, we will tell you when its ready, stop asking us oh and please be around in 5 years to buy our nice product, pretty please. Can you imagine going into your local Porsche dealership to enquire about the new 911. "We don't know anything about the new car, its being developed, we have no information and we have no idea when it will be completed. And no we have no picture. Good day sir. Slaps customer with wet fish. If it's a great game 3DRealms will reap the rewards, people will buy the game regardless of how long development has taken and regardless of GB/3Ds attitude to DNF fans during development. And unfortunately GB knows this. Must be great to be in a position of having a product that people want and no matter what you do (or dont do) or say they still want it. Bill Gates would you please stand up!

08-28-2008, 07:35 PM	#21
MegaMustaine	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Just don't worry about it. If it comes tomorrow great, and if not well who cares. Eventually it will come and if it doesn't well at least you didn't spend your life waiting for it. When things are officially announced ala Duke 3D Xbox Live Arcade, then get excited. For some reason I see this thread becoming locked in the very near future. __________________ This signature is a 77/100!

08-29-2008, 04:26 PM	#22
bubbahotep	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Well I'm sure it will be out before 2012. Uhm, Maybe I should ask, "Has anyone mentioned to them about the mayan calender that says the world ends in about 4.5 yrs? As long as I have at least 2 weeks to play it before then, I'll be happy.

08-29-2008, 05:17 PM	#25
Mr Bear	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Aight, I think this thread has run it's course....especially not that we're arguing about the Mayan calender and when the world will end. But since I'm not glued to my PC 24/7 refreshing the 3DR news page every 5 seconds in hope of seeing DNF news, I shouldn't really care that much. It'll be nice to see it WID but until then, Duke's well-being or lackthereof doesn't matter one bit in the grand scheme of things. My life, of course, does not revolve around DNF. And I hope no one else's does either. (save George B. and co.)

08-29-2008, 08:16 PM	#27
Mr Bear	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Having a "hobby" is drastically different than having your "whole life revolving around something". DNF is a hobby of mine and many others- nothing wrong with that. But for it to become an obsession and get to a point where you're literally eating, drinking, sleeping and breathing nothing but DNF(or any game, for that matter) is quite unhealthy not to mention pathetic. Of course as I said, Broussard and the crew are an obvious exception to the above statement.

08-31-2008, 05:04 PM	#28
bubbahotep	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Jeez, it was just a joke, not to be taken seriously. Lighten up alittle CN, have you no sense of humor? I don't really believe all that crap either, but what's the harm in poking some fun at all this.

08-31-2008, 05:49 PM	#30
bubbahotep	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Sorry CN, I don't frequent these forums like I used to years ago. So my knowledge of the overuse of that subject is small. Unfortunately I can't help it if some ppl actually believe that stuff either or other equally goofy things. I am too old to take to much too seriously anymore so I am a bit of a joker. I don't go out of my way to be insensitive but I don't let other ppl's phobia's and paranoia's keep me from trying to having fun either. Also I did put an emote at the end signifying it was a joke. Maybe the wrong one, who knows. Anyway, sorry again for the misunderstanding. Peace

09-09-2008, 07:07 PM	#31
prophecy holder	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought DNF has taken forever, end of story. Lets get back to the waiting ok guys? __________________ "Ever since I was a little boy, dressing up has always been...my greatest joy. But when It's time to be discreet, there is one thing you just can't beat and that's a strapless backless classical little black dress" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e4BCOrLmJ0

09-09-2008, 07:23 PM	#32
J.P.	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Well, we saw some actual in-game footage and a teaser. But, that ain't much considering. All we can do is anticipate and follow GB quotes, short of actually breaking into the the 3drealms facility to collect intel. I'd like to believe that the Realms are in the midst of several "polish passes", but we don't have much to go on do we. So, concern valid. That being said, I suggest the Realms should perhaps temporarily set aside a team member or two to work on ONE screenshot to release and keep the steady stream of media going, it's been awhile since the J.C. Hall show. Last edited by J.P.; 09-09-2008 at 07:26 PM.

09-09-2008, 07:42 PM	#33
AdamCommando	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Figuring out 3dRealm's progress on Duke Nukem Forever based on what we've heard is like shaking a wrapped birthday present to figure what's inside. I really hope we get more pics soon.

09-09-2008, 11:41 PM	#34
Malgon	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought ^Haha, so true! __________________ -Most wanted games: Doom 4, Tomb Raider, Beyond Good and Evil 2

09-14-2008, 02:22 PM	#35
Mr. Gruntsworthy	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought the up and coming release of duke 3d for xbox live arcade is definitely a prelude to something. __________________ Xbox LIVE: Mr Gruntsworthy Xfire: gruntsworthy Add me on xbox live and/or xfire!

09-14-2008, 03:31 PM	#36
IwantMORE	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought well I sill believe they will not release the game until they are happy with it. And unless the beer, cheap whores and pizza has not gone to their heads... Then the game should be good when it comes out. __________________ Signature removed to protect the guilty

11-17-2008, 07:37 PM	#39
Smackerlacker	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Now I'm no PR guy, but here's my two cents. I think that 3DR NEEDS this game. In the past ten years they've sunk from being the kings of gaming, to little more than a memory. They need the Duke to put them back on top. Duke Nukem is coming, or 3DR is going.

11-17-2008, 07:57 PM	#40
Mr Bear	Re: A (small) concern of mine- and some food for thought Well, DUH....lol. It's pretty obvious that if they never release this game they will have a zero percent chance of ever being recognized an even semi-competent developer....even with the great Duke 3D in consideration. Their moderate success with Duke 3D back in 1996 will look like nothing, and I mean NOTHING in comparison to DNF being canceled after 11+ years. Even if DNF is released tomorrow and is even a fraction of hair below, say, HL2 quality, 3DR is as good as done for. And I'm not saying it should be that way, I'm just predicting what will actually happen....DNF will literally have to cure AIDS and cancer, bring world peace, completely mend the ozone layer and end poverty in order to even have half a shot of being recognized for how good it is compared to how long it took to make. Long story short: No game can live up to a hype-machine lasting more than a decade.