DNF review on escapist - Page 2

Private420 · 05-30-2009, 02:32 AM

Dam now Im going to have to get married like 3 times before I get 1000/1000

Mofasa · 05-30-2009, 03:25 AM

hahahahahahaha!!!! this was funny :---)

Ordinary · 05-30-2009, 03:28 AM

Yahtzee? Who the hell is this guy?

EDIT: Well... he's kinda of funny, but i don't identify myself with this video, couse i've just known about this game last Christmas.

gungriffon geona · 05-30-2009, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Crosma

Actually, it's a great example. He employs the ironic example of DNF actually being released and being worth 12 years of development to disparage the fact that it's not released and probably wasn't going to be worth 12 years of development. They could use it as the example of satire in the OED.

it's not really satire, it's more strangling a cat and calling it funny because you're morally dead inside. Which in general he's just yelling angrily because one of the staff is probably angry over all of this and thought he should make the guy talk about it.
it's like how SNL hasn't been funny since maybe it's first two seasons and now drags skits on for a full 5-10 minutes.

Crosma · 05-30-2009, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gungriffon geona

it's not really satire, it's more strangling a cat and calling it funny because you're morally dead inside.

I think I explained how the humour is an example of satire. Do you want me to draw you a diagram?

That's a rhetorical question, by the way.

Humour is entirely logical and this is logically-speaking an example of satire. Strangling a cat would not be, unless you were doing it in a manner that mocked cat-stranglers, or something of that nature (there are, of course, other examples of satire, but that's the appropriate one in this discussion (and the one that Stephen Colbert uses, for reference)).

lordlonelobo · 05-30-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Crosma

Actually, it's a great example. He employs the ironic example of DNF actually being released and being worth 12 years of development to disparage the fact that it's not released and probably wasn't going to be worth 12 years of development. They could use it as the example of satire in the OED.

Eexccept that the poster had said he didn't find it funny because of "silly and chaotic crap", not the subject. The subject is satire, yes, but the delivery is not, which is he was saying. So, no, satire didn't mean what you thought it meant.

Crosma · 05-30-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lordlonelobo

The subject is satire, yes, but the delivery is not, which is he was saying.

How can it not be? He delivers the diatribe from the satirical position. It's all very intentional, not "chaotic" at all.

gungriffon geona · 05-30-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Crosma

How can it not be? He delivers the diatribe from the satirical position. It's all very intentional, not "chaotic" at all.

randomly tossing around stupid shit about firing guns with ears and generally acting within the realm of 'lol randumb exdee' is pretty chaotic and thoughtless if you ask me. the whole thing lacked structure and tact entirely, something (despite how unfunny he is) his writers can USUALLY do pretty well. This exact same thing happened when he did that thing about webcomics. Someone was actually angry there too, but even it wasn't near as pointlessly fast and tossed around as this.

Crosma · 05-30-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gungriffon geona

randomly tossing around stupid shit about firing guns with ears

That was a joke about the game being so good that the controller is used in a newer and better way. The joke being that the current way of doing things can't necessarily be improved. I.e. there is no point in a long development time, because this mythical game of enlightenment and wonder isn't achievable.

I'll explain some more jokes for you if you like.

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Originally Posted by gungriffon geona

his writers

What the huh?

gungriffon geona · 05-30-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Crosma

That was a joke about the game being so good that the controller is used in a newer and better way. The joke being that the current way of doing things can't necessarily be improved. I.e. there is no point in a long development time, because this mythical game of enlightenment and wonder isn't achievable.

explaining the obvious doesn't make it any less random in delivery.

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Originally Posted by Crosma

What the huh?

He has writers. he's had them ever since he started on The Escapist. there's been proof of it too.

Monkey Butler · 05-31-2009, 01:18 AM

sauce or it didn't happen.

Crosma · 05-31-2009, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by gungriffon geona

explaining the obvious doesn't make it any less random in delivery.

How can intentional satire be random? That's like saying that the occurrence of zombies in horror movies is random. It's theoretically true, but missing the point by a mile.

I don't know whether he has writers or not, but I couldn't find any mention of it elsewhere and I've never heard such before.

conantheking · 05-31-2009, 04:22 AM

You lot are starting to get way too pedantic now.

gungriffon geona · 05-31-2009, 04:40 AM

It's random monkeycheese humor. suddenly going off on wild tangents about buckets of ice water and flinging poo while sticking arms and legs on things in britishland with russian names is what it's generally about. you could kick someone in the crotch and it would equal the same thing. if you drag it on it's just strangling the cat.
He's also stating pretty much everything that's been said and ever will be said about the entire thing until there's proof otherwise. He's equally beating a dead horse, and he's a good 2-3 weeks late for the party.

Monkey Butler · 05-31-2009, 05:27 AM

But those 'wild tangents' in fact aren't tangents at all, they're the whole point of the joke.

Crosma · 05-31-2009, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

But those 'wild tangents' in fact aren't tangents at all, they're the whole point of the joke.

Exactly. At this point I'm just confused why people don't get the joke (it's not exactly a hard one) even though I've been explaining it in far too much detail.

jaimie10 · 05-31-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Crosma

Exactly. At this point I'm just confused why people don't get the joke (it's not exactly a hard one) even though I've been explaining it in far too much detail.

I get the joke. There are a lot of Americans and (even worse) Canadians here who don't understand satire, irony, sarcasm etc hence the reason a few guys didn't get it. That said it wasn't particularly funny. Yeah it was oK for 1/2 minutes and I chuckled, but it just went on and on and on. If something is funny for 1 minute it doesn't mean you can continue the joke for 10 minutes and still think people will be laughing at the end.

Zwolf · 05-31-2009, 09:44 AM

Don't care if it was satire or not, it was crap. Better get a good serious review or a good pure satire than a bad satirical review (not even sure he can be good at one of the aspects anyway...)
By the way his stupid motto to talk insanely fast just make it boring and painful to understand to not native english speaker.
Not that I disagree with all of what he says in his reviews but the lack of talent just blew it out.

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Originally Posted by jaimie10

I get the joke. There are a lot of Americans and (even worse) Canadians here who don't understand satire, irony, sarcasm etc hence the reason a few guys didn't get it.

Talking about Americans or Canadians like that is just dumb country steretotype. Not that I am one nor the other.

prophecy holder · 05-31-2009, 03:55 PM

Now this forums is degrading into sad people using sterotypes to feel better about themselfs, for the love of all that it holy LOCK THIS THREAD PLEASE.

Willem-Jan · 05-31-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by conantheking

You lot are starting to get way too pedantic now.

I agree, shallow and pedantic

Hating4AM · 05-31-2009, 07:54 PM

The "review" was true, witty, well timed and funny. Grow a f\/cking sense of humor you twats. Stop taking OTHER people's problems so personally and/or seriously. Christ almighty...

Karmeck · 06-01-2009, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Willem-Jan

I agree, shallow and pedantic

ahh, a family guy reference

Damien from omen · 06-01-2009, 04:56 AM

That guy is just another whinging pom who lives in my country, much like my school's auto teacher.

Yes I know there is a funny side to it but I didn't laugh.

Willem-Jan · 06-01-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Karmeck

ahh, a family guy reference

Haha damn right it is:

Alexander · 06-01-2009, 11:35 AM

Aahh... yes, yes.. what a comedic genius...
Is it just me who thinks this is a wanabe comedian with absolutely nothing intelligent to say? Lots of bla bla from one moron to another...

Christ... Some pi**ed off "fans" clearly have to much free time!

DarkShadows · 06-01-2009, 04:45 PM

I watched this while waiting for my account to activate and I found it somewhat funny. To each their own, right?

Crosma · 06-01-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander

Is it just me who thinks this is a wanabe comedian with absolutely nothing intelligent to say?

You think ad hominems are intelligent, but satire isn't? What sort of monster are you?

I'm not saying anyone has to find it funny, but you can't attack something irrationally just because you're offended because someone insulted the video game you're a fan of. Man up.

Derfernet · 06-02-2009, 06:08 AM

For the love of... Insult =/= ad hominem

If I say you're a dumbass and wrong that is not an ad hominem. If I say you're wrong because of some negative aspect of your character completely unrelated to the argument THAT is an ad hominem.

As far as I can tell Alexander wasn't saying that what was in the "review" was wrong because Yahtzee was a "wanabe comedian with absolutely nothing intelligent to say" but rather that he was a "wanabe comedian with absolutely nothing intelligent to say" because he saw the video and obviously disagreed with it.

Zavage · 06-07-2009, 09:21 PM

IF you get sued because you got paid for a job you didn't you that is not tragic that is how the world should be. VERY VERY VERY TRUE, and I agree

Crosma · 06-07-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Derfernet

If I say you're a dumbass and wrong that is not an ad hominem. If I say you're wrong because of some negative aspect of your character completely unrelated to the argument THAT is an ad hominem.

A = Yahtzee is wrong.
B = Because he's a wanabee comedian with nothing intelligent to say.

That's an ad hominem because he's disparaging the character of the individual rather than attacking the review. Hence, "argument to the man."

Yes, that is what he did. Look at Alexander's other posts for more of the same.

Derfernet · 06-08-2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Crosma

A = Yahtzee is wrong.
B = Because he's a wanabee comedian with nothing intelligent to say.

That's an ad hominem because he's disparaging the character of the individual rather than attacking the review. Hence, "argument to the man."

Yes, that is what he did. Look at Alexander's other posts for more of the same.

"Is it just me who thinks this is a wanabe comedian with absolutely nothing intelligent to say?"

In saying he has nothing intelligent to say I admit he is adding in a implicit judgment of the truth of the review but not as a consequent of him being a wannabe comedian, merely as an addition.
If, instead, he had said that the review was bullshit BECAUSE he was a whiny wanker then THAT would be an ad hominem. I haven't read his other posts but that post in particular contained 0 ad hominems, just insults.

His post suggests this order:

disagree with Yahtzee>>>>>>>>wannabe comedian+nothing intelligent to say

But you seem to want this order:

wannabe comedian>>>>>>>>disagree with Yahtzee+nothing intelligent to say

I assume you are attacking specifically the wannabe comedian comment because "nothing intelligent to say" is referring Yahtzee's opinions and arguments, not the person, and can not be an ad hominem in any order.

Crosma · 06-08-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Derfernet

But you seem to want this order:

wannabe comedian>>>>>>>>disagree with Yahtzee+nothing intelligent to say

No, not at all. I can't even work out how you worked that out from my posts. You can't just make up my position for me.

Alexander is trying to protect DNF by attacking Yahtzee for making a disparaging review. I.e. trying to discredit the review by attacking the reviewer. That's an ad hominem.

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Originally Posted by Derfernet

I assume you are attacking specifically the wannabe comedian comment because "nothing intelligent to say" is referring Yahtzee's opinions and arguments, not the person, and can not be an ad hominem in any order.

I didn't attack the "wannabe comedian" comment specifically anywhere. Show me where you think I did.

Derfernet · 06-08-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Crosma

No, not at all. I can't even work out how you worked that out from my posts. You can't just make up my position for me.

Alexander is trying to protect DNF by attacking Yahtzee for making a disparaging review. I.e. trying to discredit the review by attacking the reviewer. That's an ad hominem.

I didn't attack the "wannabe comedian" comment specifically anywhere. Show me where you think I did.

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Originally Posted by Crosma

A = Yahtzee is wrong.
B = Because he's a wanabee comedian with nothing intelligent to say.
That's an ad hominem because he's disparaging the character of the individual rather than attacking the review. Hence, "argument to the man."QUOTE]

Here you say that he is claiming Yahtzee is wrong follows from (notice the “because”) him thinking he’s a wannabe comedian with nothing intelligent to say. insult>>>>>>>>disagree with Yahtzee (or "Yahtzee is wrong") is exactly the order you are proposing.
The problem here is that it is obvious that Alexander’s opinion was not being used in his short post to argue ANYTHING. He was just stating his opinion, not about the review, but about the person. If I say you’re a wrong bastard and start posting nothing but insults that’s not an ad hominem, it’s just being a douchebag.
My interpretation is that he is not saying the review is wrong because he doesn’t like yahtzee, he’s just saying he doesn’t like yahtzee.

Also I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I'm sorry if it seems that way.

gungriffon geona · 06-08-2009, 07:45 PM

I enjoy watching this unfold quite a bit!

Inanimate Carbon Rod · 06-08-2009, 09:55 PM

I enjoyed the video and it is likely true that whatever was going to be released probably was not going to be worth 12 years of development. No FPS can possibly need 12 years.

niconude · 06-09-2009, 04:18 AM

Especially liked the bit where Duke goes into the lead designers office to beat him up!

R22B · 06-09-2009, 09:00 AM

Ugh.

This guy is a rambling idiot. His name should be *Yawn*zee. I never knew anyone could talk how most people write – without any punctuation. It’s annoying and he’s hardly funny. If he talked at a half decent speed like he wasn’t jacked up on speed and crack it wouldn’t be bad to watch; until then I can just hope he OD’s on the stuff.

Guess Who · 06-09-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SpinX

I find this clip annoying and not funny... Its just too silly and chaotic crap

I just feel the same way about this.

Skiffer · 06-10-2009, 07:29 AM

I find the arguments in this thread alot more entertaining. Also, the long development time of Duke Nukem Forever is well worth it, not for the game, but the effects it has on this particular forum and the lulz that cometh thereof.

Sang · 06-10-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Willem-Jan

I agree, shallow and pedantic

Blast you, I wanted to do that

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Originally Posted by Skiffer

I find the arguments in this thread alot more entertaining.

I did too at first, but now they're just starting to drag on

05-30-2009, 02:32 AM	#41
Private420	Re: DNF review on escapist Dam now Im going to have to get married like 3 times before I get 1000/1000

05-30-2009, 03:25 AM	#42
Mofasa	Re: DNF review on escapist hahahahahahaha!!!! this was funny :---)

05-30-2009, 03:28 AM	#43
Ordinary	Re: DNF review on escapist Yahtzee? Who the hell is this guy? EDIT: Well... he's kinda of funny, but i don't identify myself with this video, couse i've just known about this game last Christmas. Last edited by Ordinary; 05-30-2009 at 03:46 AM.

05-31-2009, 01:18 AM	#51
Monkey Butler	Re: DNF review on escapist sauce or it didn't happen.

05-31-2009, 04:22 AM	#53
conantheking	Re: DNF review on escapist You lot are starting to get way too pedantic now. __________________ Just an average Duke fan.

05-31-2009, 04:40 AM	#54
gungriffon geona	Re: DNF review on escapist It's random monkeycheese humor. suddenly going off on wild tangents about buckets of ice water and flinging poo while sticking arms and legs on things in britishland with russian names is what it's generally about. you could kick someone in the crotch and it would equal the same thing. if you drag it on it's just strangling the cat. He's also stating pretty much everything that's been said and ever will be said about the entire thing until there's proof otherwise. He's equally beating a dead horse, and he's a good 2-3 weeks late for the party.

05-31-2009, 05:27 AM	#55
Monkey Butler	Re: DNF review on escapist But those 'wild tangents' in fact aren't tangents at all, they're the whole point of the joke.

05-31-2009, 03:55 PM	#59
prophecy holder	Re: DNF review on escapist Now this forums is degrading into sad people using sterotypes to feel better about themselfs, for the love of all that it holy LOCK THIS THREAD PLEASE. __________________ "Ever since I was a little boy, dressing up has always been...my greatest joy. But when It's time to be discreet, there is one thing you just can't beat and that's a strapless backless classical little black dress" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e4BCOrLmJ0

05-31-2009, 07:54 PM	#61
Hating4AM	Re: DNF review on escapist The "review" was true, witty, well timed and funny. Grow a f\/cking sense of humor you twats. Stop taking OTHER people's problems so personally and/or seriously. Christ almighty...

06-01-2009, 04:56 AM	#63
Damien from omen	Re: DNF review on escapist That guy is just another whinging pom who lives in my country, much like my school's auto teacher. Yes I know there is a funny side to it but I didn't laugh.

06-01-2009, 11:35 AM	#65
Alexander	Re: DNF review on escapist Aahh... yes, yes.. what a comedic genius... Is it just me who thinks this is a wanabe comedian with absolutely nothing intelligent to say? Lots of bla bla from one moron to another... Christ... Some pi**ed off "fans" clearly have to much free time! __________________ If looks could kill they probably will, in games without frontiers, war without tears... -- Peter Gabriel

06-01-2009, 04:45 PM	#66
DarkShadows	Re: DNF review on escapist I watched this while waiting for my account to activate and I found it somewhat funny. To each their own, right?

06-02-2009, 06:08 AM	#68
Derfernet	Re: DNF review on escapist For the love of... Insult =/= ad hominem If I say you're a dumbass and wrong that is not an ad hominem. If I say you're wrong because of some negative aspect of your character completely unrelated to the argument THAT is an ad hominem. As far as I can tell Alexander wasn't saying that what was in the "review" was wrong because Yahtzee was a "wanabe comedian with absolutely nothing intelligent to say" but rather that he was a "wanabe comedian with absolutely nothing intelligent to say" because he saw the video and obviously disagreed with it. Last edited by Derfernet; 06-02-2009 at 06:11 AM.

06-07-2009, 09:21 PM	#69
Zavage	Re: DNF review on escapist IF you get sued because you got paid for a job you didn't you that is not tragic that is how the world should be. VERY VERY VERY TRUE, and I agree

06-08-2009, 07:45 PM	#74
gungriffon geona	Re: DNF review on escapist I enjoy watching this unfold quite a bit!

06-08-2009, 09:55 PM	#75
Inanimate Carbon Rod	Re: DNF review on escapist I enjoyed the video and it is likely true that whatever was going to be released probably was not going to be worth 12 years of development. No FPS can possibly need 12 years. __________________ "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein

06-09-2009, 04:18 AM	#76
niconude	Re: DNF review on escapist Especially liked the bit where Duke goes into the lead designers office to beat him up!

06-09-2009, 09:00 AM	#77
R22B	Re: DNF review on escapist Ugh. This guy is a rambling idiot. His name should be Yawnzee. I never knew anyone could talk how most people write – without any punctuation. It’s annoying and he’s hardly funny. If he talked at a half decent speed like he wasn’t jacked up on speed and crack it wouldn’t be bad to watch; until then I can just hope he OD’s on the stuff.

06-10-2009, 07:29 AM	#79
Skiffer	Re: DNF review on escapist I find the arguments in this thread alot more entertaining. Also, the long development time of Duke Nukem Forever is well worth it, not for the game, but the effects it has on this particular forum and the lulz that cometh thereof.