Older Games & Source Code

[subbie]

TerminX said:

Dude, just hold your damn horses.

Why ? I've never been good with waiting.

I'm a bigger shadow warrior fan then any other fps to date. I seriously have been dying to play this game since a long time ago. (curse me for being an adopter of nt4 & 2k over 98 long long ago).

Also I am a comercial coder and would gladly take more time out to port it my self insted of trying to get someone else to port it.

[Eddy Willson]

There aught to be some 'WID' style saying by Joe/George/Other 3DR staff about whenever a fan asks for the Shadow Warior source code.

(although subbie didnt use the usual annoying tactics thankfully)

[TerminX]

subbie said:
Also I am a comercial coder and would gladly take more time out to port it my self insted of trying to get someone else to port it.

Someone else is already going to port it. And, quite honestly, being that he works with Ken Silverman, I don't see anyone ever, ever making a better port than what he'll make.

[subbie]

TerminX said:
Someone else is already going to port it. And, quite honestly, being that he works with Ken Silverman, I don't see anyone ever, ever making a better port than what he'll make.

Cool but truthfuly my real targets would be handhelds (my speciality). So Cell phones, GBA, DS, and any other devices I gets my hands on.

[Joe Siegler]

subbie said:

Cool but truthfuly my real targets would be handhelds (my speciality). So Cell phones, GBA, DS, and any other devices I gets my hands on.

We're aware that people want it. Asking for it won't make it come any faster. Our company history should show that we do things when we want to.

TerminX - how long were people badgering us for the Duke3D source before we finally decided to release it? Quite awhile, if I remember right.

[TerminX]

Joe3DR said:

We're aware that people want it. Asking for it won't make it come any faster. Our company history should show that we do things when we want to.

TerminX - how long were people badgering us for the Duke3D source before we finally decided to release it? Quite awhile, if I remember right.

Years upon years upon years. As I recall, the company policy was simply that you guys weren't interested in releasing source -- so glad that changed.

Also, to everyone begging for more source: do realize that these things take time to prepare. 3DR can't just rar up the SW source and post it. No, it needs to be cleaned up (at least made buildable) and any code that 3DR doesn't own full rights to (such as licensed code that might've been used with the game) needs to be removed and stubbed off.

Also, do keep in mind that the guy who prepares this shit for release (Charlie, in this case) has a full time job at 3DR working on DNF. These things don't just happen overnight.

[subbie]

Joe3DR said:
We're aware that people want it. Asking for it won't make it come any faster. Our company history should show that we do things when we want to.

TerminX - how long were people badgering us for the Duke3D source before we finally decided to release it? Quite awhile, if I remember right.

Yeah I know and fully understand. Still dont feel it doesn't hurt to try and ask again. If nobody request it, then you would not consider it in the first place. Also if one person request it, many will want to request it.

But hey if you want a new request. How about releasing a build of this old fella that never saw the light of day.

http://www.shooterplanet.de/Shooter-.../Prey/logo.jpg

:P

TerminX said:
Also, to everyone begging for more source: do realize that these things take time to prepare. 3DR can't just rar up the SW source and post it. No, it needs to be cleaned up (at least made buildable) and any code that 3DR doesn't own full rights to (such as licensed code that might've been used with the game) needs to be removed and stubbed off.

Also, do keep in mind that the guy who prepares this shit for release (Charlie, in this case) has a full time job at 3DR working on DNF. These things don't just happen overnight.

Truthfuly I already know and understand. I do code for a living as well. I'm just shooting into the dark and hope that another request on shadow warrior would better make it the next src release. Untill then I am just gonna maybe play with the ROTT src (dont know why I though it was going to be hell when I looked at it months ago. now looking at the win port it's going to be pretty straight forward to port to a cell phone).

[peter_m_green]

TerminX said:

Years upon years upon years. As I recall, the company policy was simply that you guys weren't interested in releasing source -- so glad that changed.

im sure 3DR said that there were legal issues that meant they could never release the duke source.

what were those issues and why did they go away and allow the duke source to be released?

[Lengis]

>>>>>>>And, quite honestly, being that he works with Ken Silverman, I don't see anyone ever, ever making a better port than what he'll make.


Speaking of Ken Silverman, wasn't he in middle school when he first made the Build Engine? How old is he now, and what's he up to?

[TerminX]

subbie said:
I'm just shooting into the dark and hope that another request on shadow warrior would better make it the next src release.

Uh, the SW source is going to be the next source release, unless Joe gets around to releasing the Kroz (I think, recall reading something of the sort in one of those "hey, where's our Christmas present?" type threads, could be a different older game) source that George cleared him to release first. The SW source release is likely a lot closer than you think it is.

[subbie]

TerminX said:

Uh, the SW source is going to be the next source release, unless Joe gets around to releasing the Kroz (I think, recall reading something of the sort in one of those "hey, where's our Christmas present?" type threads, could be a different older game) source that George cleared him to release first. The SW source release is likely a lot closer than you think it is.

Great, then I will just keep my self entertained with ROTT for a while (it could use some cleaning).

[jbailey]

Winrott on a cellphone? Now there's a platform I would have
never thought of, I don't have a fancy cellphone (just a
regular on), but out of curiosity, what resolution would that
be? and how would the player be controlled? I'm not
saying it won't work, I'm just saying that I've never heard
of anyone converting old pc games to be playable on a
cellphone. But it souds like a intresting concept, post here
with some screenshots once you have gotten winrott
going....

[Sir Lemonhead]

peter_m_green said:
im sure 3DR said that there were legal issues that meant they could never release the duke source.

what were those issues and why did they go away and allow the duke source to be released?

Perhaps that was Ken Silverman, as he only released the source code for build a few years ago.

[subbie]

jbailey said:
Winrott on a cellphone? Now there's a platform I would have
never thought of, I don't have a fancy cellphone (just a
regular on), but out of curiosity, what resolution would that
be? and how would the player be controlled? I'm not
saying it won't work, I'm just saying that I've never heard
of anyone converting old pc games to be playable on a
cellphone. But it souds like a intresting concept, post here
with some screenshots once you have gotten winrott
going....

I have a P900 from SonyErricson. I got the idea to finaly try porting another FPS to my phone after person did a perfect port of wolfenstine to the p900.

The pixel resolution is 208x320 when flipped open (so in landscape it gives a nice 320x208. When closed it gives an even 208x208.

The CPU should hold up to run ROTT at a playable framerate. Its an arm9 cpu at 156Mhz.

http://my-symbian.com/uiq/techdata_p900.php

[Xantheous]

Lengis said:
Speaking of Ken Silverman, wasn't he in middle school when he first made the Build Engine? How old is he now, and what's he up to?

Here is a link to Ken Silverman's website which has quite a bit of info.

[Joe Siegler]

Yeah I know and fully understand. Still dont feel it doesn't hurt to try and ask again. If nobody request it, then you would not consider it in the first place. Also if one person request it, many will want to request it.

My point is that you asking again makes no difference. We aware of the desire. More asking will make no difference except us to say "Stop asking!".

I'm being totally honest. repeating your request makes no difference; it doesn't help it get there any faster. If there's anything you should know about this company by now is that we'll do it when we're ready to do it, not when people ask us.

Howdy everybody,

I hate it, but because nobody (outside this forum of course) has even considered to give me an answer, I thought it's maybe the best to ask this time directly

@Joe3DR: Would you please answer the question wether 3drealms is holding the copyright for Terminal Velocity or not.

Thanks in advance
Croaker

[Kristian Joensen]

I doubt it, afaik 3D Realms/Apogee always let 3rd party developers keep the IP back when they where a publisher.

[Joe Siegler]

Croaker said:
@Joe3DR: Would you please answer the question wether 3drealms is holding the copyright for Terminal Velocity or not.

I don't know the answer. It's likely TRI holding the rights to that, but I'd have to research it.

[subbie]

Hey Joe,

Any idea who owns the rights to redneck rampage now that interplay/titus is dead?

[Sir Lemonhead]

subbie said:
Hey Joe,

Any idea who owns the rights to redneck rampage now that interplay/titus is dead?

Grey Matter.

http://www.gmistudios.com/Welcome.htm

I e-mailed them a few times about Redneck Rampage, but got no reply. Oh well.

[Kristian Joensen]

No, when Interplay went down Infogrames/Atari bougth the rigths to Redneck Rampage.

[Sir Lemonhead]

Right...so why do Grey Matter have the Redneck Rampage series mentioned on their site, whereas Atari does not?

[Kristian Joensen]

I don't know why Atari hasn't got the Redneck Rampage series on their website, but Grey Matter has got it mentioned on their site becuase they where Xatrx the original developer.

[Sir Lemonhead]

Well ok, Interplay published it. When did Atari aquire Interplay?

All I see is Infogrames aquired Shiny, who were part of Interplay. Interplay and its games were never aquired by Inforgrames were they?

[Kristian Joensen]

When Interplay went bankrupt Atari bougth the rigths to the Redneck Rampage games for 1 million $, but only the Redneck Rampage games.

[Sir Lemonhead]

For 1 million? madness. What the hell for? :\

So we're not likely to see the source code for that either :\

[Kristian Joensen]

Why ? I have no idea, but if the Redneck Rampage fans could raise maybe 1.5-2 million $ then they could buy the rigths from Atari and relase the source code.

Maybe Atari is gonna mke a sequel with a modern 3D Engine ?

[Sir Lemonhead]

Kristian Joensen said:
Why ? I have no idea, but if the Redneck Rampage fans could raise maybe 1.5-2 million $ then they could buy the rigths from Atari and relase the source code.

Maybe Atari is gonna mke a sequel with a modern 3D Engine ?

Thinking about how much they'd want for the Blood source code scares me slightly..

No offence to RR fans, but Blood was miles better. Even Atari have Blood listed on their support page :\

It seems unlikely they'd ever make a new RR game, but god...after this finding this out, I really don't know.

[Kristian Joensen]

Why else would they spend that much money on it ?

[Joe Siegler]

subbie said:
Hey Joe,

Any idea who owns the rights to redneck rampage now that interplay/titus is dead?

I don't know - we never had anything to do with that game.

[Kristian Joensen]

"When we were lost in texas, george and scott showed us the way. they also licensed us the build engine and the duke nukem source code for all three redneck rampage games. they've been making games forever... actually one game in particular. sorry george, i couldn't resist. you know we'll be the first in line to buy it."

- Source: http://www.gmistudios.com/friends.html

[Sir Lemonhead]

Kristian Joensen said:
Why else would they spend that much money on it ?

Where did you hear about this?

[Kristian Joensen]

Sorry, it wasn't 1 million or Atari but Vivendi and 300000$, source:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=4926

[Sir Lemonhead]

aah that makes sense now.

[Kristian Joensen]

Why dows Vivendi make more sense than Atari ?

[Sir Lemonhead]

It makes sense that it's not Atari, basically

[Joe Siegler]

I'm a bigger shadow warrior fan then any other fps to date. I seriously have been dying to play this game since a long time ago. (curse me for being an adopter of nt4 & 2k over 98 long long ago).

Have you tried DOSBox with this?

[Sir Lemonhead]

Joe3DR said:

Have you tried DOSBox with this?

Is it worth their while, with the source code release somewhat imminent?

[subbie]

Damn why couldn't it be atari. Then I would have known someone to pester about porting the game.

Joe3DR said:

Have you tried DOSBox with this?

Recently no. In the past. I tried every posible thing.

I'll have to try it.