The Duke and I - Page 3

X-Vector · 03-30-2006, 02:46 PM

That's a nice fantasy, but in the real world things don't happen that way.
I also like to think that 3DR have more positive matters on their agenda than deceiving the press and their potential customers.

NB: to clarify, this post is in reply to Dennis.

lamuh · 03-30-2006, 02:58 PM

The guy that wrote the article says that George was typing with Duke 3d's fingers. This shows one that the article writer doesn't understand Duke's world very much or doesn't care. Duke's last name isn't 3d.

If we can use email in the game, then it might be true that we can surf the web in game too. So instead of having to close down DNF.exe to check 3drealms.com's forums, we can post in here from in the game. Also, what stops everyone from emailing joe from in game. He might wake up to 50,000 emails from fans saying hey joe thanks for the game blah blah blah all from [email protected]

KaiserSoze · 03-30-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lamuh

He might wake up to 50,000 emails from fans saying hey joe thanks for the game blah blah blah all from [email protected]

Haha that's awesome.

George Broussard · 03-30-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by H.Smits

isn't that something to be worried about ?

I mean, if you are tech complete for a year, and the game is still not done; so by the time it ships
it's more then a year tech complete. By that time, aren't graphics/tech out-dated ?

Don't worry. When I say tech complete, I mean we could ship if all the content were done. It's fairly easy to add and update shaders and we do so all the time. The graphics guys area ahead and always have time to add in bells and whistles. Many things like per pixel blur, depth of field etc, have zero impact on game content and drop in, in a few days.

George Broussard · 03-30-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by X-Vector

I still don't understand what the point of the DNF exposure is; 3DR have always maintained that the game is development in progress (meaning that, yes, it's being worked on) and neither this mini-article nor that in last year's PCG Prey preview contains any new info worthy of note that I can see.

It's not a big deal. It was mainly to support Prey and help secure another nice feature article and cover, so we agreed to show DNF as part of that. It had no deeper intent than that.

Asmodeusz · 03-30-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lamuh

The guy that wrote the article says that George was typing with Duke 3d's fingers. This shows one that the article writer doesn't understand Duke's world very much or doesn't care. Duke's last name isn't 3d.

I guess what he meant is "Duke typing with his three dimensional fingers"
But I can't speak for the man.

Tom,

About the article, well I think DNF really might be an elephant in the room, still I think 3DR should think the concept of making this kind of moves. It doesn't change anything, and personally it frustrated me to read. "Duke and Duke but still no Duke - can't talk sorry" . Do I have to read in print that they can't talk about Duke? I think I hear enough of it on the forum. They should really consider a Duke periodical update after releasing Prey. Just little bits like ok, like "this week we had an interesting meeting, and things went forward - We're tech ready".

Or instead they could just sit in the cave and come out when they actually have something to tell us. (Sorry if it sounds like a polite version of STFU and finish the damn thing

- I mean no harm)

3DR - Either way is ok, but guys make up your mind.
And don't get me wrong - I still love you and believe in you

And finally my question for Tom: (A bit around): Did you wrote the article in a way so the game seems far from being finished on purpouse?

Amen.

Ras · 03-30-2006, 04:10 PM

Sort of going along with what George said, I'm under the impression that this generation of engines doesn't go out of date as quickly as past engines. I'm sure there are still leaps to be made that will require from-the-ground-up next gen engines, but the geometry doesn't change much and much of the new graphical stuff comes from shaders and the like, and from the ability to have higher res textures.

ultra tree 85! · 03-30-2006, 04:17 PM

Just read the article, and I thought it was great. It shows how much interactivity the game will have, and that they've done a lot of cool stuff with it.

Asmodeusz · 03-30-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ultra tree 85!

Just read the article, and I thought it was great. It shows how much interactivity the game will have, and that they've done a lot of cool stuff with it.

As I said before, it's cool news, but not in that context. It could pop up somewhere, without the sad part.

Micki! · 03-30-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TomChick

Oops, I might have been unclear Micki. What I was trying to say was that I'd be happy to answer any questions, but the stuff I saw was showed to me in confidence, so I can't really talk about specifics.

But to respond in a more general way, yes, much of the stuff you're talking about is up and running. Sorry to be a tease, but I think you guys will be pretty excited when 3DR is ready to talk more specifically about those things.

-Tom

Heh, well, that's too bad...

But if you can't mention spicifics, then maybe you can answer this at least

- Was there anything you saw regarding DNF, that was "new" and "fresh", or rather, something that "Wowed" you when you saw it..?
You probably only saw tidbits of it, but i'd like to hear a first impression of one of these kinds of things, in case you've seen anything like that...

Hopefully you can answer this...

TomChick · 03-30-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Asmodeusz

Do I have to read in print that they can't talk about Duke?

I hope that wasn't all you came away with, Asmodeusz. The point I was trying to make is that the game is very much in development, much like any other game, but with the exception that 3DR isn't doing it with the press exposure that goes along with many developing games. For various reasons, and for better or worse -- and I'm sure much to the chagrin of their publishing partners! -- 3DR is working quietly and without ceremony. The point of the sidebar is that they are indeed *working*, and they do have a lot to show for that work, but it's not for public consumption yet.

As for a release date, lord knows if 3DR won't speculate about it, I can't imagine I have anything to add to the discussion!

Finally, guys, do me the favor of at least *pretending* you're not passing around scans of the copyrighted material I work on for a living. It's incredibly discouraging to show up here to talk about this stuff only to have folks still jumping in asking for scans. For Pete's sake, buy the magazine if you want to read the article!

-Tom

Little Conqueror · 03-30-2006, 04:44 PM

Exactly. Everybody wants to freeload. I bought the magazine, and I'm glad I did. People just don't read all the posts, so I'm going to put it in bold here in the hopes that somebody will read it.

DON'T ASK FOR MAGAZINE SCANS. PEOPLE WORK TO MAKE THAT MAGAZINE. JUST SHELL OUT THE DOUGH, YOU CHEAP BASTARDS.

I often have this same frustration in other forums I frequent as well. My fiancee works at a magazine, and I'm sure she wouldn't appreciate it.

Now, back on topic: I think this is some great info. We already are playing games; it's about time the games played back, and it looks like DNF will be that game judging by the content in the article.

Kristian Joensen · 03-30-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

Don't worry. When I say tech complete, I mean we could ship if all the content were done. It's fairly easy to add and update shaders and we do so all the time. The graphics guys area ahead and always have time to add in bells and whistles. Many things like per pixel blur, depth of field etc, have zero impact on game content and drop in, in a few days.

So are those things in ? Second of all haven't you been tech complete since 2004 ? That would be make 2 not 1 year. Not that it real matters that much.

Orochi Avlis · 03-30-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

The graphics guys area ahead and always have time to add in bells and whistles. Many things like per pixel blur, depth of field etc, have zero impact on game content and drop in, in a few days.

That cool to hear.

George Broussard · 03-30-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristian Joensen

So are those things in ? Second of all haven't you been tech complete since 2004 ? That would be make 2 not 1 year. Not that it real matters that much.

Yeah, those things are in and have been for a while. And yes, we've been fundamentally tech complete for longer than a year. But this is a case where you just say things without thinking and then people pick the details apart in print later.

Tom,

I think you did a great job

Joe is actively removing all the scan requests and sorry it took so long. Glad to see you posting here.

Kristian Joensen · 03-30-2006, 05:27 PM

How about shadows George ? What shadowing system are you using ? Only stencil shadows ?

MegaMustaine · 03-30-2006, 05:29 PM

It is strange that 3dr made it a point for joe to start a thread about this. Maybe this is the slow climb of the media roller coaster that hopefully will arrive within the next year.

SyntaxN · 03-30-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

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Originally Posted by Kristian Joensen

So are those things in ? Second of all haven't you been tech complete since 2004 ? That would be make 2 not 1 year. Not that it real matters that much.

Yeah, those things are in and have been for a while.

Well, please do not overuse motion blur, it´s a nice effect but when it gets used for any faster movement on the screen like in Perfect Dark Zero it gets annoying

But it´s great for reloading animations

DavoX · 03-30-2006, 07:14 PM

Now everyone will start saying "please include this too, and exclude this thing i dont like as well and....".

I think they've heard every opinion about anything for DNF, so we should skip the "i want this and i dont want that" thing

03-30-2006, 10:06 PM

If you can do stuff online, maybe there will be TV's in the game showing actual
news or live feed of something.

trackit · 03-30-2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TomChick

Finally, guys, do me the favor of at least *pretending* you're not passing around scans of the copyrighted material I work on for a living. It's incredibly discouraging to show up here to talk about this stuff only to have folks still jumping in asking for scans. For Pete's sake, buy the magazine if you want to read the article!

-Tom

not that i wanted to argue, but just to mention that a lot of people here on these boards live in locations where they dont have that magazine in stores... I cant bet my life though, but im pretty confident that i wount find Computer Games Magazine here in Estonia for example...
So i think the scans requests come mostly from people who cant buy that magazine anyway...

Thriller · 03-31-2006, 12:31 AM

^ Yup. If I drive a few hours to our capital city I think I can get a hold of it.
When its atleast a month old. For about 20-25$. I think I´ll pass.

Scans doesnt really replace the real thing anyway.

hell-angel · 03-31-2006, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

It's not a big deal. It was mainly to support Prey and help secure another nice feature article and cover, so we agreed to show DNF as part of that. It had no deeper intent than that.

Even if it has no deeper intent. I still like it.

Thanks for the interview GB.

I hope there will be more soon and when you are ready for it.

Asmodeusz · 03-31-2006, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TomChick

I hope that wasn't all you came away with, Asmodeusz. The point I was trying to make is that the game is very much in development, much like any other game, but with the exception that 3DR isn't doing it with the press exposure that goes along with many developing games. For various reasons, and for better or worse -- and I'm sure much to the chagrin of their publishing partners! -- 3DR is working quietly and without ceremony. The point of the sidebar is that they are indeed *working*, and they do have a lot to show for that work, but it's not for public consumption yet.

No that's not all I came away with, but it was a strong impression. Good to hear about Duke, anyways, so I guess I'll just stop whinning.
I still think 3DR should reconsider some things...but nevermind. I guess only the game will matter in the end.

Micki! · 03-31-2006, 02:12 AM

The "e-mail" thing in DNF, really wants me to want the Interactivity thread going again... Is it even still active..?!

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Originally Posted by Thriller

^ Yup. If I drive a few hours to our capital city I think I can get a hold of it.
When its atleast a month old. For about 20-25$. I think I´ll pass.

Scans doesnt really replace the real thing anyway.

Yes, that's true... Unfortunately, many (and i mean MANY) stores doesn't have such magazines available... For instance, i only know ONE store that sells PCGamer... And that's in a completely different city in my country...

Normally i buy magazines though, and i have done that ll the times i had the chance...

Whew, i hope Tom didn't get a bad impression of us, becasue of this "scan-thing"

TomChick · 03-31-2006, 04:23 AM

Geography is no excuse! Thanks to the magic of Zinio, you can subscribe digitally and read it from your computer.

-Tom

Kalki · 03-31-2006, 05:22 AM

Unlike the print version, the magic of Zinio doesn't extend to time-travelling apparently. They don't have the May issue on there, only single copies from March & April. There's a bookstore at my location that sells overpriced imported mags, I'll check to see if they have it. I'd like a physical copy to show Prey's sphinc-door screenie to certain people.

So TC, how did you feel about the game, from a gamer's perspective accounting for its unpolished state. What kind of potential did it have and how would you rate it lookwise vis-a-vis the up and comers of the next-gen crop? I don't think you're giving anything away by answering this.

hell-angel · 03-31-2006, 05:23 AM

Cool, I didn't knew that.

Kalki · 03-31-2006, 05:49 AM

Know what?

Guere · 03-31-2006, 05:56 AM

I think hell-angel was referring to the possibility of a digital subscription. Every message still has the reply button, but unlike the old forums, the message doesn't show who you're replying to.

hell-angel · 03-31-2006, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Guere

I think hell-angel was referring to the possibility of a digital subscription. Every message still has the reply button, but unlike the old forums, the message doesn't show who you're replying to.

Correct.

Micki! · 03-31-2006, 06:50 AM

^^
I didn't know that either, but it's cool...
However, i prefer "real Physical" magazines by far... It's like, i collect them...
For instance, i just (yes, just came home now) bought a new Danish PC magazine (>Pcplayer) and that's how i like it... (and yes, i checked for this magazine too, it's not there, i knew that already though...)

Anyways, i WILL buy a magazine if it has info that apeals to me, and if i can get it...

Little Conqueror · 03-31-2006, 07:12 AM

I'll buy and send you one, Micki! \o/

Tim. Just Tim. · 03-31-2006, 07:14 AM

Well I didnt even read the Prey article. I only wanted to see the side-bar on Duke. 30 seconds of reading. If I had seen the magazine in the store, I would have just read the Duke sidebar and not bought the magazine. If I wanted to read the Prey article or anything else, it would be a different story.

Antosa · 03-31-2006, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

Don't worry. When I say tech complete, I mean we could ship if all the content were done. It's fairly easy to add and update shaders and we do so all the time. The graphics guys area ahead and always have time to add in bells and whistles. Many things like per pixel blur, depth of field etc, have zero impact on game content and drop in, in a few days.

This is a very good news.

Thanks George.

smfE · 03-31-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by George Broussard

Yeah, those things are in and have been for a while. And yes, we've been fundamentally tech complete for longer than a year. But this is a case where you just say things without thinking and then people pick the details apart in print later.

Tom,

I think you did a great job

Joe is actively removing all the scan requests and sorry it took so long. Glad to see you posting here.

^^^woha! Thats awesome tech complete since end of 2004..Thats so freaking lovely

they're in polish pahse really :P...awesome George i got high expectations for the game then :P..nice to hear! i'm impressed

Little Conqueror · 03-31-2006, 10:52 AM

I'm really glad that the media has seen DNF. They KNOW it's being worked on, so they'll be able to spread the word to counter all of those idiots saying "lolz more liek duke nukem forNEVER lolz i so funny."

I was going to ask what exactly "tech complete" entails, but it looks like it's already been explained. \o/

8IronBob · 03-31-2006, 01:18 PM

Yeah, I can see that AOTS was all over it on G4, as well as on X-Play, but since I could care less about what G4's thoughts are, I believe that going to a magazine such as CGW, I can basically believe that DNF will be amongst the best FPSs of the century, if it ever comes to that.

Micki! · 03-31-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Conqueror

I'll buy and send you one, Micki! \o/

Heh, if it just was as easy as that...

TomChick · 03-31-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalki

So TC, how did you feel about the game, from a gamer's perspective accounting for its unpolished state. What kind of potential did it have and how would you rate it lookwise vis-a-vis the up and comers of the next-gen crop?

That's a great question, Kalki. I'm accustomed to trying to be dispassionate about previews and letting the developers' words speak for them.

Like most of you guys, I'm really excited for 3DR to get another game out, but after seeing what they're doing, I'm even more excited. It's partly that they were showing some impressive stuff, but I think it's mainly how true they're being to the Duke Nukem I remember. It was really encouraging to see how clearly they're still able to express the stuff that made Duke great. Because in the end, being next-gen doesn't mean beans to me if you're not able to do anything memorable with it.

I don't anticipate this is going to be a shortcoming of DNF.

-Tom

03-30-2006, 10:06 PM	#100
Fox McCloud Guest	Re: The Duke and I If you can do stuff online, maybe there will be TV's in the game showing actual news or live feed of something.

03-30-2006, 02:46 PM	#81
X-Vector	Re: The Duke and I That's a nice fantasy, but in the real world things don't happen that way. I also like to think that 3DR have more positive matters on their agenda than deceiving the press and their potential customers. NB: to clarify, this post is in reply to Dennis. __________________ We're on an express elevator to hell... going clown. HELLO, MY FRIEND - freindship make a happiness double times and divide sadness half and make us remove our unhappiness. Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb

03-30-2006, 02:58 PM	#82
lamuh	Re: The Duke and I The guy that wrote the article says that George was typing with Duke 3d's fingers. This shows one that the article writer doesn't understand Duke's world very much or doesn't care. Duke's last name isn't 3d. If we can use email in the game, then it might be true that we can surf the web in game too. So instead of having to close down DNF.exe to check 3drealms.com's forums, we can post in here from in the game. Also, what stops everyone from emailing joe from in game. He might wake up to 50,000 emails from fans saying hey joe thanks for the game blah blah blah all from [email protected] Last edited by lamuh; 03-30-2006 at 03:03 PM.

03-30-2006, 04:10 PM	#87
Ras	Re: The Duke and I Sort of going along with what George said, I'm under the impression that this generation of engines doesn't go out of date as quickly as past engines. I'm sure there are still leaps to be made that will require from-the-ground-up next gen engines, but the geometry doesn't change much and much of the new graphical stuff comes from shaders and the like, and from the ability to have higher res textures.

03-30-2006, 04:17 PM	#88
ultra tree 85!	Re: The Duke and I Just read the article, and I thought it was great. It shows how much interactivity the game will have, and that they've done a lot of cool stuff with it. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever will be released in 2010. The community will realize its dream of playing the greatest game of all time. :)

03-30-2006, 04:44 PM	#92
Little Conqueror	Re: The Duke and I Exactly. Everybody wants to freeload. I bought the magazine, and I'm glad I did. People just don't read all the posts, so I'm going to put it in bold here in the hopes that somebody will read it. DON'T ASK FOR MAGAZINE SCANS. PEOPLE WORK TO MAKE THAT MAGAZINE. JUST SHELL OUT THE DOUGH, YOU CHEAP BASTARDS. I often have this same frustration in other forums I frequent as well. My fiancee works at a magazine, and I'm sure she wouldn't appreciate it. Now, back on topic: I think this is some great info. We already are playing games; it's about time the games played back, and it looks like DNF will be that game judging by the content in the article. __________________ If wishes were fishes, we'd smell like ladies' underwear. "If you join the good fight, you get 72 domain names when you die." -- Wamplet

03-30-2006, 05:27 PM	#96
Kristian Joensen	Re: The Duke and I How about shadows George ? What shadowing system are you using ? Only stencil shadows ? __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

03-30-2006, 05:29 PM	#97
MegaMustaine	Re: The Duke and I It is strange that 3dr made it a point for joe to start a thread about this. Maybe this is the slow climb of the media roller coaster that hopefully will arrive within the next year. __________________ This signature is a 77/100!

03-30-2006, 07:14 PM	#99
DavoX	Re: The Duke and I Now everyone will start saying "please include this too, and exclude this thing i dont like as well and....". I think they've heard every opinion about anything for DNF, so we should skip the "i want this and i dont want that" thing __________________ My Facebook Page for Game Design, Check it out! My Youtube Channel, With mapster32 tutorials!

03-31-2006, 12:31 AM	#102
Thriller	Re: The Duke and I ^ Yup. If I drive a few hours to our capital city I think I can get a hold of it. When its atleast a month old. For about 20-25$. I think I´ll pass. Scans doesnt really replace the real thing anyway. __________________ As a previous owner of member number 404, I obviously dont know what the hell Im talking about. -------------------- "I GOT PLASTERED!" - Drazula "I thought everyone i Sweden looked like Duke Nukem...." - GreedyFly 2001

03-31-2006, 04:23 AM	#106
TomChick	Re: The Duke and I Geography is no excuse! Thanks to the magic of Zinio, you can subscribe digitally and read it from your computer. -Tom

03-31-2006, 05:22 AM	#107
Kalki	Re: The Duke and I Unlike the print version, the magic of Zinio doesn't extend to time-travelling apparently. They don't have the May issue on there, only single copies from March & April. There's a bookstore at my location that sells overpriced imported mags, I'll check to see if they have it. I'd like a physical copy to show Prey's sphinc-door screenie to certain people. So TC, how did you feel about the game, from a gamer's perspective accounting for its unpolished state. What kind of potential did it have and how would you rate it lookwise vis-a-vis the up and comers of the next-gen crop? I don't think you're giving anything away by answering this. __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

03-31-2006, 05:23 AM	#108
hell-angel	Re: The Duke and I Cool, I didn't knew that.

03-31-2006, 05:49 AM	#109
Kalki	Re: The Duke and I Know what? __________________ "Gentlemen, generations to follow will see us as the first pioneers of the internet. They will look upon our days as those of brave spirits and free ideals - where men were men, women were men and children were the FBI." Free Speech

03-31-2006, 05:56 AM	#110
Guere	Re: The Duke and I I think hell-angel was referring to the possibility of a digital subscription. Every message still has the reply button, but unlike the old forums, the message doesn't show who you're replying to.

03-31-2006, 06:50 AM	#112
Micki!	Re: The Duke and I ^^ I didn't know that either, but it's cool... However, i prefer "real Physical" magazines by far... It's like, i collect them... For instance, i just (yes, just came home now) bought a new Danish PC magazine (>Pcplayer) and that's how i like it... (and yes, i checked for this magazine too, it's not there, i knew that already though...) Anyways, i WILL buy a magazine if it has info that apeals to me, and if i can get it... __________________ A true genius does not need boundaries such as 'common sense'

03-31-2006, 07:12 AM	#113
Little Conqueror	Re: The Duke and I I'll buy and send you one, Micki! \o/ __________________ If wishes were fishes, we'd smell like ladies' underwear. "If you join the good fight, you get 72 domain names when you die." -- Wamplet

03-31-2006, 07:14 AM	#114
Tim. Just Tim.	Re: The Duke and I Well I didnt even read the Prey article. I only wanted to see the side-bar on Duke. 30 seconds of reading. If I had seen the magazine in the store, I would have just read the Duke sidebar and not bought the magazine. If I wanted to read the Prey article or anything else, it would be a different story.

03-31-2006, 10:52 AM	#117
Little Conqueror	Re: The Duke and I I'm really glad that the media has seen DNF. They KNOW it's being worked on, so they'll be able to spread the word to counter all of those idiots saying "lolz more liek duke nukem forNEVER lolz i so funny." I was going to ask what exactly "tech complete" entails, but it looks like it's already been explained. \o/ __________________ If wishes were fishes, we'd smell like ladies' underwear. "If you join the good fight, you get 72 domain names when you die." -- Wamplet

03-31-2006, 01:18 PM	#118
8IronBob	Re: The Duke and I Yeah, I can see that AOTS was all over it on G4, as well as on X-Play, but since I could care less about what G4's thoughts are, I believe that going to a magazine such as CGW, I can basically believe that DNF will be amongst the best FPSs of the century, if it ever comes to that. __________________ PC Specs (a.k.a. "Galacticus Prime"): http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7Vk7FT