Max Payne 3 - Not worth it at all...

[Lupara]

I think that MP 1 & 2 were good just because they were
developed by proper team. I mean there's no groundbraking story and MP. So if MP 3 will be developed by some other team it may be just another
plane unknow game. Well IMHO It will be plane and
not intresting at all.

Without Sam Lake there is no soul in MP nor point.

Let's hope that at least Sam will develop the story...

Otherwise it's not worth it all, and MP3 should not
be developed in order to prevent shame on such hit.

[Ivan]

I think that all the "Yeah, well if Sam Lake ain't writing MP3, it'll be crap" is bullsh*t. Give the new writer a chance and see how he does...it may turn ou real good.

[Lupara]

No it aint bullsh*t, cause MP had it's metaphorical sense.
Even if other writer better than Sam it's not going to work. I dont see point in the game where you just kill and kill and kill (well it's 99% of action games) so was
MP but with this special story it was perfect.

[Mariamus]

Lupara said: So if MP 3 will be developed by some other team it may be just another
plane unknow game. Well IMHO It will be plane and
not intresting at all.

OHMIGOSH! It's going to be an airplane simulator?!?

seriously tho...
No need to cast any judgement before you've seen the game...

I must say - Lupara does have a point. Max Payne 1 was a hell of a lot better than max Payne 2 because of that metaphorical sense. Plus the storyline was pretty damn good. MP2 seemed to be a try hard carry-on of the story.

Having said that, when MP3 comes out, I will give it a go and I will be fair. But It will never capture that feel that MP1 had - ever.

[Mariamus]

Of course it won't! MP1 was the best game IMHO. Better story by far! but the story in MP2 wasn't bad either. But we can't really say anything, since we don't really know anything at all about who's writing the third game, who's developing it or anything like that.

[Ivan]

Lupara said:
No it aint bullsh*t, cause MP had it's metaphorical sense.
Even if other writer better than Sam it's not going to work. I dont see point in the game where you just kill and kill and kill (well it's 99% of action games) so was
MP but with this special story it was perfect.

No. Max Payne 3 can turn way better than the first or second..like I said, give the writer a go..it's not because your Sami ain't writing your game that it'll suck...

The style may change, but Max won't.

[Lupara]

No, my opinion is strong
No Sam Lake -- no metaphors -- no sense -- no point!

That's MHO.

[Ivan]

Lupara said:
No, my opinion is strong
No Sam Lake -- no metaphors -- no sense -- no point!

That's MHO.

Then don't play it, you think this makes me shad a tear?

[Mariamus]

Maybe your opinion is strong, but it's still no good because you don't have any proof it will suck, you don't know the new writer, you don't know what it will be about, you don't know anything in regards to the third game, so it may suck, or it may rock, you won't be able to tell before the game comes out!

[ADM]

Ivan said:

Then don't play it, you think this makes me shad a tear?

I'm sure it doesn't make you shad a tear

[Lupara]

I didnt say it's going to be bad. I like many other games, that Sam didnt wrote. There's a lot of talanted people. But
Max got some special personality. So i want Max Payne as
Max Payne and Duke as Duke.

It seems no one understand me.

[Pink]

I kind of agree with you. MP3 will be different because Sam won't be writing it, but that doesn't mean it'll be bad. Sam is a awesome writer that is very good at setting up a vibe and a feel for his storys...I think that vibe that Sam creates in his writing will be gone. But none of us know enough to make conclusions at this time. Everyone has their own opinion.....but I'm gonna wait utill we know more about who will take part in making MP3 before I make up my mind.

[Ivan]

Lupara said:
I didnt say it's going to be bad. I like many other games, that Sam didnt wrote. There's a lot of talanted people. But
Max got some special personality. So i want Max Payne as
Max Payne and Duke as Duke.

It seems no one understand me.

No Sam Lake -- no metaphors -- no sense -- no point!

Anyway, can't Max be who he is whitout Sam Lake?

I think this is the main question.

[Lupara]

Can't tell exactly. Maybe if someone will try to stick to Max
personality... but i know for sure if Max is going to be like
Duke it's gonna be bad.

No, no... dont get me wrong, i like Duke very much... his style
But Duke funny guy, and Max can't be like that.

Imagine Max with new personality of Duke: "I'm gonna whack
those mother****ers, and stuff like that...

I'm also panicking because there is no good games that
went from one dev team to other...

[Ivan]

But why are you comparing Duke with Max?

Who told you Max will change into a Duke? I don't think a writer can change Max that much..

EDTI :

So i want Max Payne as
Max Payne and Duke as Duke.

I am not sure if I got what you meant but I think you are thinking 3DR are those hiring the writer..that would maybe explain why you are comparing Max and Duke.

Anyway, I don't think they are..I think R* will.

If that's not what you meant by comparing Max and Duke, point out what you meant.

[Lupara]

No, i think it's my fault touching Duke all the time.

I mean there's a lot type of characters. Like Duke (again ), Max, Lara... they all have their specialty. And if writer's
changes the personality is about to change too.

Well lets hope that you're right guys, and i am just worrying
about nothing... Maybe i'm too conservative.

[Maxtream]

I guess we have to settle with the fact that sooner or later MP3 is going to happen because I'm sure Take2 hasn't milked enough cash out of their franchise. Chances that Sam is going to pen it are next to zero despite most fans seeing his absence as the greatest risk.

There's still a small chance that a new writer could take Max to the next level by writing one hell of a script that nails the character without trying too hard to copy Sam.

The problem when a writer continues someone else's franchise is that he or she will most likely give his or her own take on the character which might piss off a couple of fans. Then there's the risk that the new writer isn't necessarily as devoted to the character as the fans are. I guess there're details about MP that Sam thought about or put in his notes that didn't end up as black&white in the scripts, something that we might see as a blur between the lines, something that was left open for interpretation.

On the other hand, what if this new writer is really talented in writing noir fiction with plenty of metaphors, and on top of that, he or she is a hardcore MP fan for years. I mean if someone like Frank Miller (don't know if he's into MP but his Sin City stories are the best noir comic books out there) was going to write MP3 I would get excited. I know it's unlikely because he has probably other things to do. Sam is not the only one who can do it right. IMHO he delivered two wonderful scripts, but maybe though unlikely the third would have failed to deliver.

Bottom line, I think it's best to stay cool until we get some hard facts.

[Lupara]

Bottom line, I think it's best to stay cool until we get some hard facts.

That's right... We'll see...

[wxpoet22]

Lupara said:

That's right... We'll see...

Don't take it too hard. The only hype you'll see about Max Payne 3 will be in this forum itself. The last major announcement if any came from the now former and disgraced CEO Jeff Lapin of Take Two who blurted out on March 11, 2004 an announcement during a media conference that Max Payne 3 would be released even when he admitted that Max Payne 2 was not as successful as he wanted it to be (note: I think both MP1 and MP2 have been equally successful in the long run). Here's the link so you can read the article:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=102337

Notice this paragraph:


Stating that "there will be another Max Payne," Lapin also talked briefly about plans for the next title: "I think we'll take a few years to make the next one that much more spectacular, is what we have to do," he said."

What Lapin really means to say there is that even if Max Payne 3 were to be coming out, it would not be until approximately 2008 or beyond that it would even be released. Of course, by then Max Payne will likely be forgotten anyway even if they make Max Payne 3 spectacularly better than the first two that MP3 will be just another quick come and go game. Also, since as the article points out, Remedy has no plans for anymore MP no developer has decided to take up the project and it still remains so even to this date, there's no way to be sure that Max Payne 3 will even come out much less when. Lapin resigned as a result of Take Two taking a hit in sales and falling down to a generally poor performance. See article

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/04...s_6093464.html

It has been 8 months since his resignation and no one at Take Two has uttered even a word about Max Payne 3.

Yes, I've been criticized for telling the truth about this but taking on Jeff Lapin's quotes, it's not too hard to see why people in this forum laughably hype Max Payne 3 even when it's clear it won't come out for at least until 2008 or beyond if it even comes out.

[biXen]

I kinda agree with your foresight, I think either there is no MP3 in development and it might be something like 2008, or that it's what they refer to in this line.

"Additional products planned for fiscal 2005 from Rockstar include a new console title based on a proven brand from Rockstar's internal studios"

Fiscal 2005 goes to February 2006, so quite possible to dev a console game in that time, based on the current platform. But it would be no significant leap. And well, Xbox and PS2 presumably. Does R* really have any other proven brands? (if you exclude GTA and Midnight Club which both have recent releases at that time).

In the end it's all speculation anyway, I wouldn't hold my breath...

[Lupara]

Here's one additional reason, why it's bad to change developers. MP3 will be suspended for years now beacuse
of this dev changes.

[biXen]

Remedy didn't wanna do another game, that's all we know. Changed or not, they had no choice, so either it's on pause or under dev.

[Lasakon]

I don't care if Remedy makes Max Payne 3, I just want to see them doing a new game. (Which I'm sure they are developing a game at the moment, but nothing has been unveiled about it. Maybe next E3?)

[Sayantan]

Lasakon said:
I don't care if Remedy makes Max Payne 3, I just want to see them doing a new game. (Which I'm sure they are developing a game at the moment, but nothing has been unveiled about it. Maybe next E3?)

Same with me. Whateva RMD touches turn into gold.

[Kristian Joensen]

There will be a Max Payne 3 and it will not be developed by Remedy, that we no for sure, it is 100% certain, why ?

Becuase Take 2 spent 45 million $ on purchasing the IP from 3D Realms and Remedy, therefore they will be making a 3rd Max Payne game and probaply a 4th one and maybe even a 5th one inorder to pay for those 45 million $ and make a profit.

Remedy sold the IP(along with 3D Realms) therefore they will not be making Max Payne 3.

[Joonas]

Kristian Joensen said:
There will be a Max Payne 3 and it will not be developed by Remedy, that we no for sure, it is 100% certain, why ?

They are already working on a new title.

[MentalSentinel]

Becuase Take 2 spent 45 million $ on purchasing the IP from 3D Realms and Remedy, therefore they will be making a 3rd Max Payne game and probaply a 4th one and maybe even a 5th one inorder to pay for those 45 million $ and make a profit.

I believe they sold it for 70 million, and that 3drealms didn't own any part of the IP..

[biXen]

3DR did own part of it.

[Kristian Joensen]

Yes 3D Realms and Remedy co-owned it(50/50, maybe ?).

[Joonas]

Joonas said:

They are already working on a new title.

Funny that I quote myself, but I could just ask them myself...

[mysteryperfecta]

I disagree about the absense of Sam Lake changing the game significantly. The dialogue in the MP games was not an original dialect-- Sam was imitating film-noir style of speaking. Another writer could do the same, with a library of movies and the first two games to guide him, if necessary.

The absense of Remedy will change the game.

[Kristian Joensen]

Joonas said:

They are already working on a new title.

Wait I am confused who is they ?

And what is "a new title" ?

Surely Remedy isn't working on Max Payne 3 ?

[Ivan]

Kristian Joensen said:

Wait I am confused who is they ?

And what is "a new title" ?

Surely Remedy isn't working on Max Payne 3 ?

Remedy is working on a new title and it is not Max Payne 3.

[Kristian Joensen]

That is also what I suspected he meant.

[Destroyer]

Ivan said:
I think that all the "Yeah, well if Sam Lake ain't writing MP3, it'll be crap" is bullsh*t. Give the new writer a chance and see how he does...it may turn ou real good.

agreed but I would still rather have sam lake do it.

[Thriller]

My opinion? MP3 will suck. No mather how good it is, it will suck. It might be incredible. But it will still suck. I wont bother.

Lupara makes a good point, IMO.

[ADM]

Thriller said:
My opinion? MP3 will suck. No mather how good it is, it will suck. It might be incredible. But it will still suck.

That really doesn't make sense man.

[Joe Siegler]

Kind of harsh to prejudge it before it even exists, eh?

[laffer]

I did the same thing to the Monkey Island series when Monkey Island 3 was announced, and I was right. It was not nearly as good as the prequels.