Really old Apogee stuff

[Joe Siegler]

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How many of these old game titles do you recognize?

[Another Duke Fan]

I have at least 12 of the listed here on my hard disc. What is in that PREY folder?

[8IronBob]

Why yes, a bunch of those games are big on the hit parade, I understand all of that. I am just hopeful that I can see some of those games running in DOS Box without freezing on me, or going majorly slow on me, tho. That's going to be the tricky part right there.

[The Edge]

I played all Apogee games on that list. I still remember telneting to SWCBBS and Dopefish ANSI screen. I miss those days (and games), really.

[Dr.Dude]

I think I only really recognize about half of what's on that list. A few names that aren't instantly recognisable seem to sound vaguely familar, from the Apogee FAQ--Cyril Cyberpunk or Ravager for instance.

What's Duke Nukem 2D?

[Steve]

What's Doom doing in there? I've played most of those games

[Frenkel]

I recognize everything , except Utopos. I wonder what that is.

I didn't know Strife was going to be an Apogee game. It makes sence thou, as the same people who made Raptor (aka Mercenary 2029) made Strife.

It nice to see Legend of the Seven Paladins there .

[Crosma]

I played all Apogee games on that list. I still remember telneting to SWCBBS and Dopefish ANSI screen. I miss those days (and games), really.

You've played Prey? Do tell!

[Joe Siegler]

I played all Apogee games on that list. I still remember telneting to SWCBBS and Dopefish ANSI screen. I miss those days (and games), really.

/me laughs

A lot of those were never released anywhere. So it's NOT possible for you to have done so.

Strife wasn't going to be an Apogee game - it's just there. I was one of Strife's testers (in a minor way), I just put it there.

And Doom started life as an Apogee title before id went to "do their own thing".

I think - and I must stress think, because I am not sure.. I think Utopos was a demo that was given to us by Remedy at the same time as Max Payne was originally. But I'm going off memory there, and I admit I'm unsure of what I'm saying. But I know Utopos was a demo from someone pitched to us as a game, but I can't remember who at the moment. Normally I don't keep things like that, but I recall liking it, so I hung onto it.

I wish I had kept the tech demo pitch of Fumes.

[Frenkel]

I think - and I must stress think, because I am not sure.. I think Utopos was a demo that was given to us by Remedy at the same time as Max Payne was originally. But I'm going off memory there, and I admit I'm unsure of what I'm saying. But I know Utopos was a demo from someone pitched to us as a game, but I can't remember who at the moment. Normally I don't keep things like that, but I recall liking it, so I hung onto it.

Jani Penttinen was a senior programmer for Remedy and he designed, developed and published Utopos for the Atari ST as shareware.

[moron]

theres only 2 or 3 that dont look familyer
whats the reason for this thread?
every one here has (should have) read the apogee faq and should have some understanding of most of the titles right?

[motionblur]

Including the titles I have just heared by name and thus can at least recognize them it's a total of 17 for me - from which I played 11 at least as demos and own 6 as full versions (I used to have Doom for the SNES 'till I sold all of the stuff - whish I hadn't done this -_-". But on the other hand I own Duke3D twice - V1.3D from the first day it was released in Germany and since about one year the atomic edition - which I found for 15 bucks in a store that is now colsed)

Is there playable stuff in every folder or just some dev.media (regarding those folders which contain unfinished or unreleased material)?

[Joe Siegler]

No, everything that's in there is a demo or game or build of some sort. How playable is a different story.

Also, several of them are zip files that have passwords that have long since been forgotten. I've started setting some zip crackers on them.

[Steve]

And Doom started life as an Apogee title before id went to "do their own thing".

Man, I had no idea. Just how "playable" is it?

[The Edge]

Sorry, I didn't mean unreleased/cancelled stuff... I thought not all of those were apogee stuff.

[TerminX]

Man, I had no idea. Just how "playable" is it?

I imagine it's basically nothing, having seen the old alphas made availiable for historial purposes. They have id's logo and name all over them, so anything Apogee relating to Doom must be even older.

[Frenkel]

Let's see

• Alabama Smith & Bloodfire Pendant
  Realms of Chaos
  
  
• Balls of Steel
  Balls of Steel
  
  
• Bio Hazard
  Bio Menace
  
  
• Blake Stone
  Blake Stone
  
  
• Blood
  Blood
  Monolith
  
  
• Cosmo
  Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure
  
  
• Cybertank
  Cybertank 3D
  3D Action
  1992-3
  Frank Maddin's tank game using a Wolf3D clone engine;
  art by Amanda Dee in VGA.
  
  
• Cyril Cyberpunk
  Cyril Cyberpunk
  Reality Studios
  
  
• Dark Justice
  Max Payne
  
  
• Doom
  Doom
  id Software
  
  
• Duke Nukem 2D
  Duke Nukem Forever - the Scroller
  
  
• Duke Nukem 3D
  Duke Nukem 3D
  
  
• Duke Nukem II
  Duke Nukem II
  
  
• Halloween Harry
  Halloween Harry / Alien Carnage
  
  
• Hi-Speed
  Death Rally
  
  
• Hocus Pocus
  Hocus Pocus
  
  
• Legend of the Seven Paladins
  Legend of the Seven Paladins
  Accend
  
  
• Major Stryker
  Major Stryker
  
  
• Megaloman
  Super hero action in this 256 VGA parallaxing platform game.
  1993-4
  Jim Dose, lead programmer got tied up doing other projects.
  "Sinister crime bosses continue their grip of terror. But one man has
  a plan. MegaloMan-- the Janitor of Justice-- is on the scene to save
  the innocents. He'll 'clean up' the city, sewers, and even outer space!"
  
  
• Mercenary 2029
  Raptor
  
  
• Mystic Towers
  Mystic Towers
  
  
• Nuclear Nightmare
  See this topic
  
  
• Prey
  Don't get me started, just go to Lon's Prey Page.
  
  
• Ravager
  Alien Rampage
  Inner Circle Creations
  
  
• Rise of the Triad - Wolfenstein 3D Part II
  Rise of the Triad
  
  
• Shadow Warrior
  Shadow Warrior
  
  
• Stargunner
  Stargunner
  
  
• Strife
  Strife
  Velocity
  
  
• Tom, Dick, & Harry
  VGA side scroller with up to 14 layers of parallaxing!
  1993-4
  
  
• Tubes
  Tubes
  Software Creations
  
  
• Utopos
  Sounds like a PC port of this Atari ST game
  
  
• Violent Vengeance
  Sango Fighter
  Panda
  
  
• Wolfenstein 3D
  Wolfenstein 3-D

some statistics:
33 games
26 released
18 released by Apogee / 3D Realms / Pinball Wizards

I still think Violent Vengeance is not the same game as Sango Fighter.
Because there are some screenshots of VV in Legend of the Seven Paladins
and they do not look like the Sango Fighter I know. It could be possible that
they use the same engine though.
I've made a topic about this a few years ago, but that got deleted
so I'll won't talk more about it or post any proof.

[Joe Siegler]

Violent Vengeance IS Sango Fighter. The only different is the title (and appropriatly changed graphics for the name change). We were going to distribute it in the US for the folks who did it elsewhere. There honestly was NO difference besides the name.

Ravager is not Alien Carnage. It's something else - but it's not HH/Alien Carnage, or I would have stuck it in the same directory as Halloween Harry.

Duke Nukem 2D is what we called "Duke Nukem Forever - the Scroller" for awhile.

[Frenkel]

Oops , I didn't mean Alien Carnage, I ment Alien Rampage.

[Devil Master]

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How many of these old game titles do you recognize?

Okay, where do I download that stuff?

P.S.

Megaloman
Super hero action in this 256 VGA parallaxing platform game.
1993-4
Jim Dose, lead programmer got tied up doing other projects.
"Sinister crime bosses continue their grip of terror. But one man has
a plan. MegaloMan-- the Janitor of Justice-- is on the scene to save
the innocents. He'll 'clean up' the city, sewers, and even outer space!"

Does the Megaloman game have anything to do with this character?

[Rider]

actually... I'd love to play some of those Alpha's/Beta's. I don't know why but I always loved to play very old versions of games I really liked (so Lameduke was pure gold to me! Too bad Jonof's port doesn't run it) I think it's fun to see what it was, and what it became.

Any chance "the public" will see any of those games?

[Flaose]

I'd say no. Not a chance in the world.

[Rider]

I was asking Joe

[Tedades]

I know 16 of them

[Karmus]

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How many of these old game titles do you recognize?

Played 8 of them...Wow can't u share 'em?! Naah that'll be a lawbreak = illegal, illoyal

[Joe Siegler]

I was asking Joe

He was right.

[CyTex]

What is in that PREY folder?

Nothing, it's an empty folder.




(My respects to all the people having worked on it, btw)

[Joe Siegler]

There's empty folders in that. Everything has at least one build. Then with Prey I have CD backups of the E3 1997 and 1998 demos still. Same for the DNF 1998 E3 game. Although I'm not sure if they'll still run, I believe the DNF build was dongled, and I doubt we still have the security dongle from back then.

Any chance of slipping me a copy of that folder, Joe?

[Frenkel]

Where's the Crystal Caves directory?

[Viciarg]

I remember and played most of them, but the one's which made my heart shake are Hocus Pocus and Strife...especially strife....it's so fooking sad this game came not a few months earlier and got not the attention a Duke Nukem 3D or Doom got, since I think this game is even greater than both of the before mentioned...

My three all-game heroes are (in no particular order):
Strife - The Quest of the Sigil
Hocus Pocus and
Solar Winds

Damn...

[Joe Siegler]

Where's the Crystal Caves directory?

Don't have any old betas for that. The majority of this stuff was collected by myself. Crystal Caves was before I had any connection with the company beyond being a customer.

I started work here in Dec of 1992, and I was a beta tester from about June of 1992 till the point that I started working here. I came on board as a beta tester right after Wolfenstein 3D shipped.

[Frenkel]

I thought you did have old betas of Crystal Caves:

I did recently get Frank Maddin to find some old Crystal Caves betas for the archives - so I know he has the old material.

source

[Joe Siegler]

Hmm. I'll have to look around. I thought I had all the betas in one place already.

[Night Hacker]

No, everything that's in there is a demo or game or build of some sort. How playable is a different story.

Also, several of them are zip files that have passwords that have long since been forgotten. I've started setting some zip crackers on them.

I tried a really nice zip cracker once upon a time that required one file from inside the archive. If you had one file, it could figure out the password. It worked perfectly for me when I only had a single file from a zip and I had forgotten the password. Only problem is I forget the name of the program now, it was a while ago.

[Joe Siegler]

Iv'e had one of those working on one of the archives for awhile now. It's been two weeks and it hasn't cracked it yet.

[Wamplet]

I recognize most of them by name, but have only played about 10 or so.

[Bazkar]

Let's see

• [
• Rise of the Triad - Wolfenstein 3D Part II
  Rise of the Triad
  
• Wolfenstein 3D
  Wolfenstein 3-D

Hmm.... I think the sequel to wolfenstein 3D was called Spear of Destiny. That game at least uses the same engine and has the same characters. RoTT has a completely different engine IIRC.

[Frenkel]

Rise of the Triad Original Design Spec

[Joe Siegler]

Hmm.... I think the sequel to wolfenstein 3D was called Spear of Destiny. That game at least uses the same engine and has the same characters. RoTT has a completely different engine IIRC.

The first sequel to Wolf3D was Spear of Destiny. Then there were three SOD Addon packs produced by Formgen (that were crap).

Rise of the Triad originally started life as nothing more than new levels for Wolfenstein 3D. It evolved into it's own game, but at it's core, it uses the Wolf3D engine.