Who do you think DNF will go to?

[prophecy holder]

No doubt 3DR is not gonna be able to finish DNF for two simple reasons:

1) No dev team

2) No money to hire a dev team (if they had the money then they wouldn't of fired there old ones, or maybe it's a conspiracy?)

So who do you think/want 3DR will put DNF on? I personally love Id to finish DNF, Id did make DOOM btw so that's got a one up over many other places.

[TonyPessimist]

People who knows how to use Unreal Engine, like the team from Bioshock or Gears of War.

[crunchy superman]

3DR has no money to hire developers, and if they can't get out of their deal with TT, they won't get money advanced from any other publisher. So, unless somebody wants to do it for free, how do you figure anybody else can work on it?

[wieder]

Originally Posted by crunchy superman

3DR has no money to hire developers, and if they can't get out of their deal with TT, they won't get money advanced from any other publisher. So, unless somebody wants to do it for free, how do you figure anybody else can work on it?

Provided Take 2 is telling the truth in their case... *they* want to fund a team to work on the console versions independently of 3DR.

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Originally Posted by TonyPessimist

People who knows how to use Unreal Engine, like the team from Bioshock or Gears of War.

There is no way Epic would waste their time on DNF unless they got some sort of unprecedented deal. They have too much value and profit potential in their own IPs and ability to develop new IPs that they would own as well.

2k Marin could possibly be a candidate as Bioshock 2 is ramping down and Take 2 could possibly lean on them, but that's only if it is able to go forward before the end of the year or any 2k studio that does FPS games being funded to grow. But it's a downside for many devs as they would be splitting any potential profits between Take 2 AND 3DR... and it's already spread thin enough to split it just between yourself and the publisher.

[WoodenSword]

Originally Posted by prophecy holder

No doubt 3DR is not gonna be able to finish DNF for two simple reasons:

1) No dev team

2) No money to hire a dev team (if they had the money then they wouldn't of fired there old ones, or maybe it's a conspiracy?)

and 3) Because Joe explicitly said that in one of his latest posts!!


Wieder i agree, but let's not forget that a lot of work and ideas have already been made and it is a so maybe the investment isn't that great.

I also believe the sentimental value and the popularity of the duke can play a major role for a company to be interested in it.Or at least this is my wishful thinking

Anyway my opinion is that Take Two holds now the key to DNF completion....Isn't there any hope anymore that they finally negotiate and find a solution with 3d realms ?

[mysteryperfecta]

In addition, hasn't 3dr always promised profit participation to employees? The entire thing seems like a big legal briar patch-- possibly part of the reason that no developer seemed willing to get involved.

As it stands, the best and only hope for DNF is probably a legal victory for Take 2.

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Originally Posted by WoodenSword

Anyway my opinion is that Take Two holds now the key to DNF completion....Isn't there any hope anymore that they finally negotiate and find a solution with 3d realms ?

You beat me to it.

I guess that might be the other slim hope-- that a looming legal battle may force both companies to take a hard look at how it all could be avoided.

[lordlonelobo]

Originally Posted by WoodenSword

and 3) Because Joe explicitly said that in one of his latest posts!!


Wieder i agree, but let's not forget that a lot of work and ideas have already been made and it is a so maybe the investment isn't that great.

I also believe the sentimental value and the popularity of the duke can play a major role for a company to be interested in it.Or at least this is my wishful thinking

Anyway my opinion is that Take Two holds now the key to DNF completion....Isn't there any hope anymore that they finally negotiate and find a solution with 3d realms ?

Companies don't usually make decisions such as this on the idea of "sentimental value". Usually it's money first, anything else is secondary.

Also, there's no way Epic would ever touch DNF, they're much too large of a studio to work on a third party game, let alone they need to work on, and improve, the Unreal Engine as is.

[wieder]

Originally Posted by mysteryperfecta

In addition, hasn't 3dr always promised profit participation to employees? The entire thing seems like a big legal briar patch-- possibly part of the reason that no developer seemed willing to get involved.

Only while employed there. Very very very few companies continue to pay royalties (most of them call them bonuses for this very reason along with other tax based reasons) once you are gone, regardless of the circumstance.

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Originally Posted by lordlonelobo

Companies don't usually make decisions such as this on the idea of "sentimental value". Usually it's money first, anything else is secondary.

Agreed... fact is most people don't care as much about DNF as those of us that hang around here do. Especially if it involves a time cost. The time spent working on DNF could be spent building something more important for yourself. That's why you won't see a company like Epic even be considered or consider it. But hungrier developers who want a chance to make a splash with a lesser effort than starting from scratch (or simply just need the work), or a developer owned by a publisher where the publisher dictates their projects heavily... those would be the sort of people you could expect it to go to.

[Steve]

Who do you think DNF will go to?

IW, so wieder can work on it all over again

[Tualmasok]

I hope it goes to the dogs. I hope all that hard work is literally wasted. I hope GB and SM stand at the edge of the wasteland that was once 3DR, gazing across the smoking crater of the apocalypse that was once their business, and hang their heads with shame, tears of guilt stinging the wounds of their failed attempts at glory.

And then Take Two take the IP and re-create DNF. And in a timely manner, as well.

[LadiesAndGentlemen]

I actually hope Take 2 wins this.

[Rider]

Someone here seems a bit bitter, eh?

I hope DNF will go to us, the gamers, in one shape or the other.

[DarkShadows]

Originally Posted by Tualmasok

I hope it goes to the dogs. I hope all that hard work is literally wasted. I hope GB and SM stand at the edge of the wasteland that was once 3DR, gazing across the smoking crater of the apocalypse that was once their business, and hang their heads with shame, tears of guilt stinging the wounds of their failed attempts at glory.

Thus hearing the Price is Right losing horn.

[marioman360]

[peoplessi]

As long as it goes to some developer that knows what they are doing.

[DarkShadows]

Originally Posted by peoplessi

As long as it goes to some developer that knows what they are doing.

I hope it doesn't go to Blizzard Entertainment, 3DRealms's cousin in vaporware.

[wieder]

Originally Posted by DarkShadows

I hope it doesn't go to Blizzard Entertainment, 3DRealms's cousin in vaporware.

Yeah... the company that has managed to spawn a couple of the most popular franchises on the planet as well as the biggest revenue generator on the planet... they clearly don't know what they are doing.

[lordlonelobo]

Originally Posted by DarkShadows

I hope it doesn't go to Blizzard Entertainment, 3DRealms's cousin in vaporware.

Vaporware - The marketing practice of announcing the imminent release of a product that does not actually exist and may not ever exist

Because Blizzard TOTALLY does that, right?

Wait... No, Diablo, Diablo 2, Starcraft, Starcraft Brood War, World of Warcraft, Warcraft 1/2/3, The Frozen Throne, The Lost Vikings 1/2... They all came out.

And Starcraft 3 and Diablo 3 are both expected to come out, and considering gameplay has been shown for both, they do exist.

So I guess you're wrong.

[DarkShadows]

Originally Posted by wieder

Yeah... the company that has managed to spawn a couple of the most popular franchises on the planet as well as the biggest revenue generator on the planet... they clearly don't know what they are doing.

Originally Posted by lordlonelobo

Because Blizzard TOTALLY does that, right?

Wait... No, Diablo, Diablo 2, Starcraft, Starcraft Brood War, World of Warcraft, Warcraft 1/2/3, The Frozen Throne, The Lost Vikings 1/2... They all came out.

And Starcraft 3 and Diablo 3 are both expected to come out, and considering gameplay has been shown for both, they do exist.

So I guess you're wrong.

And what about StarCraft: Ghost? I don't think it'll be on the shelves anytime soon...

[lordlonelobo]

Originally Posted by DarkShadows

And what about StarCraft: Ghost? I don't think it'll be on the shelves anytime soon...

Right, because compared to those other products, Starcraft Ghost is where their real interests should lie.

[DarkShadows]

Originally Posted by lordlonelobo

Right, because compared to those other products, Starcraft Ghost is where their real interests should lie.

And people would wait indefinitely and not care for their other products until it's finally released.

[wieder]

Originally Posted by DarkShadows

And what about StarCraft: Ghost? I don't think it'll be on the shelves anytime soon...

Starcraft Ghost was being developed by another developer. Furthermore, Blizzard has not made continuous promises that it will be out by X time, before X product, etc. The products that *they* have worked on directly have been solid gold.

[lordlonelobo]

Also, StarCraft: Ghost hasn't been officially cancelled, just on hiatus.

Regardless, the fact they've announced and shipped so many other products means they're not a "cousin in vaporware."

[DarkShadows]

Originally Posted by lordlonelobo

Also, StarCraft: Ghost hasn't been officially cancelled, just on hiatus.

Yeah, I know but after 5 years of development they just stopped. Why?

Originally Posted by lordlonelobo

Regardless, the fact they've announced and shipped so many other products means they're not a "cousin in vaporware."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...aced_vaporware

You'll see Diablo II on there, if I'm not mistaken.

[wieder]

There is something wrong with you.

[Honeywell]

like the fact he doesn't give up after knowing hes wrong?

Diablo 2 as vapor ware? please... was released 4 years after original.

[DarkShadows]

Originally Posted by wieder

There is something wrong with you.

I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Honeywell

like the fact he doesn't give up after knowing hes wrong?

Diablo 2 as vapor ware? please... was released 4 years after original.

4. Diablo II: Similarly, Blizzard's long-awaited sequel to the much-loved Diablo role-playing fantasy game is still a work-in-progress.

"They have been pushing the date further and further back and it is completely preposterous," wrote Johnny Thrash.

"I just hope I still have eyesight and reflexes left when it comes out," said John Graziano.

http://www.wired.com/science/discove.../2000/01/33142

You were saying?

[Arexx]

Originally Posted by wieder

Yeah... the company that has managed to spawn a couple of the most popular franchises on the planet as well as the biggest revenue generator on the planet... they clearly don't know what they are doing.

LMAO, oh man, that reply was gold. You typed what I was thinking. Blizzard makes massive amounts of money with WoW (over 9 million players times $15/month = around one and a half billion a year!!!), Starcraft (working on SC2), all the Warcrafts which were all excellent games when they came out, Diablo, oh man, I know people who purchased Diablo 2 SEVERAL times (how many companies can hope thier game gets purchased more than once by the same consumer?!) and Diablo 2 is still going strong online (and selling in stores, considering it's a 2D Isometric game, is amazing!). Just look at Starcraft, it had the best editor I had seen up until that point for games of that type. You could make totally new games with it!!! heh

Imagine Duke Nukem Online. lol (hey, I can dream can't I?! ) or at the very least, several Duke Nukems, all better than the one before, and all fun, this is Blizzard's history as I have seen it.

Hmmmm, okay, Sell the IP to Blizzard, gawd knows they have the money...

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Originally Posted by DarkShadows

You were saying?

Ummm, did you even notice that Diablo 2 came out? A lonnnng time ago, and not that long after Diablo? And it is still selling and is a huge success?

You're starting to sound like a spoiled brat who won't admit it when they're wrong. You just stomp around the room repeating yourself.

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Oh, lets not forget the expansions. Diablo had an expansion. Diablo 2 had an expansion. World of Warcraft has had two expansions (plus many patches that added content), Starcraft had an expansion. Blizzard is currently working on Starcraft 2, Diablo 3 and an as yet, unnamed MMOG. You're pouting over one title? Get a life.

[wieder]

Originally Posted by DarkShadows

I don't think so.

That's because there's something wrong with you.

Originally Posted by DarkShadows

http://www.wired.com/science/discove.../2000/01/33142

You were saying?

I was saying I live in a world where Diablo 2 came out to massive critical and commercial success, set the standard for every hack and slash RPG since, created the first instance of a game that had to deal with a genuine economy due to the scale of the player base, and created a thirst in players for more due to the exceptionally high quality of the experience.

[lordlonelobo]

Originally Posted by DarkShadows

I don't think so.





http://www.wired.com/science/discove.../2000/01/33142

You were saying?

Dude, you can't use the same source as the Wikipedia article, and attempt to pass it off as two different souces.

And seriously, 4 years? That's REALLY not vapor, regardless of whether you want it to be or not.

[WoodenSword]

"Who do you think DNF will go to?"

I don't think any negotiations are happening right now. Scott deals with the lawsuit,no time for anything else (Joe siegler's post), Broussard is playing poker, Bryan deals with the web site,on line store,maintanance,etc.

Everything is frozen for DNF , and it is pretty clear to me that there are no plans for its future . By the time that something "could" happen a lot of things could change with regard to "Who do you think DNF will go to?"

[Xefaros]

I think that dnf(pc) will never be released tho dnf(xbox) will be released under t2 after 2012.
Saying that t2 will win a court after octeber 2012 so they can take the rights of publishing dnf on xbox

[Monkey Butler]

I would find it pretty bloody hilarious if DNF on PC ended up being effectively a 3rd party port after the 360 version makes 3DR enough money to complete their own game on PC.

[King Duke]

Originally Posted by DarkShadows

I hope it doesn't go to Blizzard Entertainment, 3DRealms's cousin in vaporware.

In addition to StarCraft: Ghost, there's another Blizzard title that was never released although it was nearly finished: Warcraft Adventures.
So there is at least some justification to the afforementioned statement. But I guess the vaporware wiki-site could use some improvement.

[Monkey Butler]

WC:A was never vapourware though. It was announced, progressed steadily, then scrapped just over a year later because of quality concerns. I hardly think that counts.

[Drazula]

Originally Posted by wieder

I was saying I live in a world where Diablo 2 came out to massive critical and commercial success, set the standard for every hack and slash RPG since, created the first instance of a game that had to deal with a genuine economy due to the scale of the player base, and created a thirst in players for more due to the exceptionally high quality of the experience.

LOL! Diablo 2 came out before Wikipedia was hatched. It had 3dfx support!

And DS, continuing to carry this on when you could easily Google "Diablo 2" makes you look like a nitwit.

BTW, that Wired link, was that the last vaporware list that didn't include DNF?

[DarkShadows]

Originally Posted by Drazula

And DS, continuing to carry this on when you could easily Google "Diablo 2" makes you look like a nitwit.

Trust me, I know how to use Google.

[SpinX]

to stay on topic... only way to finish this game is to make a new and solid deal with take 2, and as gentlemen they must give them publishing rights for an console release as well...

[KaiserSoze]

I originally posted this on Duke4.net:

So is it wrong for me to actually be "rooting" for Take 2 in the sense that I think they're our best hope of eventually getting DNF done and released?

If 3drealms does win the lawsuit, I really so no reason for them to actually complete the game. Why would George bother?
There's obviously alot of bad blood between Take 2 and 3dr. Why would 3dr finish the game to simply have Take 2
distribute it and make profit on it? Then where are they going to get funding? Then the search for a whole new staff
to work on the game. Then getting familiar with the engine. I just don't see it happening. If the stars somehow align and
George does manage to pull this off, we're probably talking *years* before the game is completed. The game will again
look "dated" and knowing George, he'd order another engine switch. Wash, rinse, repeat. It just seems like a vicious
cycle.

Scott and George have always been kind to me in the brief exchanges we've had over the years. And granted, I have
never had the opportunity to sit down face to face with either of them to find out exactly what's been going on behind
the scenes all these years that has left us fans and the general gaming public in a black hole of uncertainty with the game.

All I can offer is what I see from the outside looking in...............and it looks pretty ****** up.

[Crosma]

Originally Posted by KaiserSoze

So is it wrong for me to actually be "rooting" for Take 2 in the sense that I think they're our best hope of eventually getting DNF done and released?

Take-Two seem to think that it's a joke (they say as much in the lawsuit statement), so why would they even bother?

I think it's safe to assume that Take-Two would rather not spend any more money on it. I think they're genuinely just seeking damages.