Have there ever been any Prey screens? - Page 2

Scotty · 08-25-2002, 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by e-phonk:
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Anyone that was on the forums the night Paul Schuytema was let go should know that. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Because of things other people said? Or did he post himself?<hr /></blockquote>Somebody with the nick "paulschuytema1", which was registered with Paul's 3DR email address, went on a posting spree between 10PM and 1AM Eastern time that night. It seemed nobody else on the forums dared to comment on it. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] When I woke up and went back on the forums around 7AM, it was all gone.

Whoever it was had access to Paul's 3DR email address. Although many of the posts were flames directed at 3DR (and contained lots of gay porn pics [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] ), there was enough other stuff that I suspected it was legitimate. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

A few months earlier (July '98), when reading through everyone's .plan files, I learned that some time ago (I don't know exact date, but probably '97 - mid '98) that many of the former Duke3D team (not sure if they were working on Prey or DNF at this point) came into the office at midnight, formatted their own hard drives, then were never seen again. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

[ 08-25-2002, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: Scotty ]

e-phonk · 08-26-2002, 12:45 AM

^^ i never said he was fired =)
I said they both left.

Ninja · 08-26-2002, 03:26 AM

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Originally posted by NutWrench:
There was an interview with Paul Schuytema(?) where he shows off Prey. The game was running on a PII-266 with a Voodoo 2 card. The dynamic portals were really cool: you could drop something on the ground that looked like a Translocator beacon and when you activated the devices, they would project a portal in the air above them that you could walk through.

I wish I could find that video. It was incredibly cool. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

I have that video, it was on www.prey.net before it went down, it's 10.4 megs. I can't find it on other sites (3D gamers one has the E3 98 trailer, but not this video)

I dunno if my ISP email account will let me send something that big or not without splitting it (which I don't know how to do). If you like, I could try ICQ'ing it over, or if you can get on IRC, DCC it over to ya.

ICQ- 104201429

Be warned- finding me while I have exams on will be hectic, but hang in there, I'll get to ya

08-26-2002, 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by Scotty:
[QBWhoever it was had access to Paul's 3DR email address. Although many of the posts were flames directed at 3DR (and contained lots of gay porn pics [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] ), there was enough other stuff that I suspected it was legitimate. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]

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Hmmm...why believe someone who is pissed off and obviously tries to harm is former employer ?
He was fired. Whatever the reason was, he chose a pretty silly way to piss 3DRs leg.
Keep in mind that there is chance that some stupid ass took the occasion to fake the forum account.

In other words, if you don't have proof for what was said ( 3DR faking the whole stuff ), you shouldn't act like it's true.
We don't know.
Theseus doesn't know ( or am I mistaken? ).

So this is all speculative. Let's drop it before the thread starts burning

Night Hacker · 08-26-2002, 02:39 PM

I do remember reading on this site about how the hard drives were formatted. But then they re-hired new people to work on Prey (one person was a friend of mine from Kingston, Ontario at the time, Scott McCabe, he was doing the texture art... see the poster1g image in the 97 screenshots for his name at the bottom), anyhow, he had sent back a prey t-shirt and I emailed him a few times and suddenly he dropped of the face of the earth. Never heard of him again and his 3drealms email stopped working. I always wondered what happened to him. (he was the one that done the first total conversion for Duke Nukem I think...)

08-26-2002, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by NutWrench:
The dynamic portals were really cool: you could drop something on the ground that looked like a Translocator beacon and when you activated the devices, they would project a portal in the air above them that you could walk through.

Was it this game that you could make two portals in front of eachother, step between them, look in one of them and see your neck thru the other? [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] And you could shoot missiles from one of them to the other?
I have red about this somewhere for a long time ago, but I have forgotten the nema of the game, can it be Pray?

08-27-2002, 12:32 AM

Uhhhmmmmm????????

Wouldn't there be a slight problem with HOM effect??

I don't know how any 3d engine could possibly render copies of the same object out to infinity.

[ 08-27-2002, 01:34 AM: Message edited by: Sharp_Invasion ]

Rag_Noris · 08-27-2002, 12:45 AM

Smells of the iD mafia. They see something better, and do whatever they can to destroy it. They must have been pissed that Prey looked better. Solution = make a fake forum account, say it's all fake, and pay the lead programmers to leave... or threaten them to leave.

John Carmack is watching you.

--Chris

e-phonk · 08-27-2002, 12:50 AM

ID & 3DRealms go back a loooooong time. Carmack & Tom Hall made Commander Keen for 3DR many many years ago... (ID still has the rights to keen for example).
All the early ID games had that nice "apogee" logo at the beginning.

I highly doubt they are the sons of satan set on this earth to wreak havoc & delay DNF =)

08-27-2002, 02:24 AM

That's right... They're not evil... They're just a little dim.

Joe Siegler · 08-27-2002, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by Theseus314:
I'm being serious. The demos were mostly faked and whilst there was some technology, there wasn't nearly ever an engine. Indeed the only good thing to come out of the project was Preditor the game's level editor, which later found it own fame as MaxED.

I've been reliably informed that there was never any game as such to speak of and there was never an engine and barely any stable tech even. The e3 demo was smoke and mirrors.

Sorry if you feel that way, but you had better check with your doctor, as there's an extreme amount of talking coming out of your ass here - and that can't be good.

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Somebody with the nick "paulschuytema1", which was registered with Paul's 3DR email address, went on a posting spree between 10PM and 1AM Eastern time that night. It seemed nobody else on the forums dared to comment on it. When I woke up and went back on the forums around 7AM, it was all gone.

Because it was spam. Had nothing to do with the real Paul. Duh. I can't believe this is even a topic of discussion!

Vetek · 08-27-2002, 08:01 PM

I'm very interested in finding this interview with Paul. Someone e-mail it to me at [email protected] or put it up on a private server and send me an address, I'll post it up on Apogee Central when I get back from out of town on Sunday.

Cheers.

Yenz · 09-04-2002, 10:48 AM

As Vetek said above (I'm very interested in finding this interview with Paul). So am I so if someone has it please, please sent it to me my icq is;
46169317

MrEricSir · 09-04-2002, 05:16 PM

I think there are a few reasons that so many people look at Prey and shout "conspiracy!"

3D Realms had never undertaken a project of this magnitude before. In the past, all the 3D engines they used were made by outside developers, or modified versions of engines made by outside developers.
The main developer was fired -- but the game was supposedly almost done!
Many people suddenly quit 3DR around that time, and no real explanation was given to the public other than, "That was odd."
The posts on the UBB that seemed to come from Paul also used his real e-mail address, and a working e-mail address that you have control over has always been required for UBB registration.
The next developer who was hired to finish Prey decided to start all over again from scratch due to the fact that she apparently could not understand the code. She later quit, and everyone was very hush-hush about the whole thing, in spite of vast amount of speculation on gaming news websites.

A quick glance at those reasons would lead many people to label this is as an indication that there was a conspiracy regarding the existence of the Prey engine here.
However, I would say that there are a few major holes in this theory as well:

What purpose did this conspiracy serve? The gaming community already knew about Apogee / 3D Realms, so it couldn't have been publicity. 3D Realms obviously lost at least some money on the whole thing, so it wasn't profits either.
No explanations were given as to the sudden departures of the developers. This is very different than false explanations, which would be far more typical of a real conspiracy.
Even if the posts from Paul on the UBB were, in fact, real, they would only provide evidence as to a possible reason he was fired -- immature and unprofessional behavoir.
The fact that 3D Realms had never written a 3D engine doesn't mean they couldn't. It just means that they didn't!
Let's say for the sake of argument that the Prey engine WAS, in fact, all "smoke and mirrors." So what? They didn't release it! Gamers everywhere would have been pretty pissed if they had released the game, only to find out that the whole thing was faked when they played it.

Hudson · 09-06-2002, 03:35 AM

I think Prey was a real game that had alot of potential. This is what I think happened. I think that 3DR doesn't (or at the time didnt) like working on two projects at the same time so the Prey team wasn't getting the attention that they wanted which caused them to quit (I dont think they were fired) and so 3DR placed Prey on the back burner and focused all work on DNF. Time went by and DNF kept getting more and more aged so they switched to the Unreal engine and decided to work on that full time while Remedy worked on Max Payne. Now it being almost 2003 with only a trailer and some screens from DNF released (and hopefully the full product coming soon) Prey looks far to dated to work with and upgrade and/or 3DR just doesn't want to deal with it. I could be completely wrong here but its the most logical explanation I could think of.

MrEricSir · 09-06-2002, 03:50 AM

Um, interesting explanation, but what proof do you have? I certainly don't remember Prey not getting publicity. If anything, it was over publicized for a game that hadn't been released. (Of course, this may have been partly 3D Realms' fault for claiming that it was "almost done.")

MrEricSir · 09-06-2002, 08:19 PM

It seems as though there were some game magazines at the time that interviewed someone on the Prey team (don't remember who) who insisted that the game was "90% complete." Whether this was true or not is beside the point -- as far as I can remember, it's what the public was told.

As far as the "no explanation" thing, I was referring to the fact that they left without explaining their departure, not that there WAS no explanation.

Joe Siegler · 09-06-2002, 11:14 PM

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but the game was supposedly almost done!

Pardon? That's so far from the truth it's not funny. These "conspiracy" things usually are nothing more than the hopes, ideas, and embellishments of the people who posted them.

They rarely have any basis in fact. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Many people suddenly quit 3DR around that time, and no real explanation was given to the public other than

Pardon? They left to form Hipnotic (later called Ritual) What do you mean "no explanation"?

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decided to start all over again from scratch due to the fact that she apparently could not understand the code.

Wrong. We decided that after TWO failed attempts to get it going (the first part was with Tom Hall, the second with Paul), that we'd start over.

Man these kinds of posts really piss me off. Have questions? Frickin ask them. Don't make these things up like theyr'e fact. [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img]

As for "smoke & mirrors". ****ing bullshit. I have game CD's here from the various E3 demos we did, plus some other builds in my archives that can shut this bullshit up forever. However, I can't release them - you know that. So don't ask. Even as a "haha - joke" thing. Point is that there's no hidden anything here. People just love to make up their own bs.

Night Hacker · 09-11-2002, 06:45 PM

Well I found out what happened to my friend Scott McCabe (Prey artist), he is alive and well and living back in Kingston, Ontario (where I live!). I just emailed him ther other day... it's nice to have him back in Canada as a neighbor again. hehehe

Devil Master · 09-12-2002, 03:41 AM

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I have game CD's here from the various E3 demos we did, plus some other builds in my archives that can shut this bullshit up forever. However, I can't release them - you know that. So don't ask.

Why not? Would 3DRealms get sued by itself? [img]graemlins/hhg.gif[/img]

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I have that video

So put it online somewhere!

[ 09-12-2002, 04:43 AM: Message edited by: Devil Master ]

09-12-2002, 08:11 AM

http://www.3dgamers.com/games/prey/
there you go every screenshot and trailer of prey.

I hope 3dr would continue prey or make it from scratch after they released dnf

Devil Master · 09-12-2002, 10:10 AM

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there you go every screenshot and trailer of prey.

No, the interview video isn't there!

09-12-2002, 10:35 AM

interview video?

Devil Master · 09-12-2002, 10:45 AM

Yes, the one that's been mentioned in a lot of posts, where you can see the Prey engine in all its coolness (a pillar gets shot and the whole ceiling falls... and it's NOT a scripted event!)

09-12-2002, 01:04 PM

oh I see.
I've never seen that,would love too thoug.
Really there should be someone who has it and could upload it somewhere or maybe some site.

Devil Master · 09-13-2002, 09:31 AM

Also, does anyone still have the 360 degrees Prey screenshots?

Yenz · 09-13-2002, 04:38 PM

Uuu the 360 thing I remember that one, u had to have aspecial program or thing installed to view that on.

Joe Siegler · 09-13-2002, 05:14 PM

I had two versions, you needed a plugin for your browser, or a Java app.

Devil Master · 09-14-2002, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by Joe3DR:
I had two versions, you needed a plugin for your browser, or a Java app.

Do you still have them? I already have that plugin, can you please send me those screenshots? (the big version of each one) You know my email address... [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Joe Siegler · 09-16-2002, 12:20 PM

Of course I have them. No, I won't send them.

Devil Master · 09-18-2002, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by Joe3DR:
No, I won't send them.

What a shame.
Does anyone else have them?

CYBDMN · 10-08-2002, 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by The Stinger:
http://www.3dgamers.com/games/prey/
there you go every screenshot and trailer of prey.

No, not all. Actually, i have 4 different videos here on my harddisk. And tons of screenshots.
Much more than those on 3D Gamers.
I'm not sure, if i'm allowed to post a link to the screenies. If yes, i would do it.
No way for the videos, cause every freespace provider would kick my acc within 24 hrs, when i put those vids on the server.

melt_core · 10-09-2002, 10:25 AM

You know, very drunk I could come to believe that there's a governmental conspiracy about aliens to make us their slaves. But a conspiracy from 3drealms, in order to... what? Lose money?...

10-15-2002, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Joe3DR:
Pardon? That's so far from the truth it's not funny. These "conspiracy" things usually are nothing more than the hopes, ideas, and embellishments of the people who posted them.

They rarely have any basis in fact. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Pardon? They left to form Hipnotic (later called Ritual) What do you mean "no explanation"?

Wrong. We decided that after TWO failed attempts to get it going (the first part was with Tom Hall, the second with Paul), that we'd start over.

Man these kinds of posts really piss me off. Have questions? Frickin ask them. Don't make these things up like theyr'e fact. [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img]

As for "smoke & mirrors". ****ing bullshit. I have game CD's here from the various E3 demos we did, plus some other builds in my archives that can shut this bullshit up forever. However, I can't release them - you know that. So don't ask. Even as a "haha - joke" thing. Point is that there's no hidden anything here. People just love to make up their own bs.[/QB]

I have always been the staunchest ally with 3DR except on the topic of prey: This game was *majorly* hyped by 3DR, especially in the years '97 & '98, Scott and Paul particualrly made numerous statements about i) how great it was, ii) that it was coming out "next year" etc etc. 3DR can't deny this. So, Joe, its only normal that get extremely angry about this because after being promised so much in '97 and '98 we were left with Paul being fired, Corrine Yu being hired, misc changes, updates on prey ceased, then we were told utter bullshit about the project from 3DR for the next few years. I mean, George would say something, than Scott would completely contradict it (as he always does), and then as usual you would come in being overly defense and slice what was said down to nothing, angering us. Then on top of this scott mentions at times about something happening with prey behind the scenes - we all know its in development again at a 3rd Part Developer (most likely Humanhead), but the fact that we keep getting screwd around, by contradictive posts, in regards to the old info inflames myself and others very much.

We became passionate about Prey with all the talk in the mid '90s. Then the info stopped (we used to get a lot of updates and info about Prey), then we never were told clearly what was happing *forcing* us to speculate. And then you get angry at us for speculation? Ack, give us a damned break here, I even pre-ordered the game in mid '98 when Scott publicly said on Daily Dementia that the game was "definately coming" in 1999 (or late '98 he was still saying I think!).

....Townie

Joe Siegler · 10-15-2002, 10:45 AM

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then we were told utter bullshit about the project from 3DR for the next few years

What EXACTLY - and I mean specifically down to the item do you consider to be bullshit? I guarantee it is not.

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Scott and Paul particualrly made numerous statements about i) how great it was, ii) that it was coming out "next year" etc etc. 3DR can't deny this.

Nor do we. These statements were made in the same era when we promised DNF a long time ago. This was the era that we have admitted many times we ****ed up and said things we shouldn't have. What more do you want? We've admitted those statements were mistakes numerous times. GIven that we admit they were mistakes, I fail to see how you can continue to hold them against us.

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We became passionate about Prey with all the talk in the mid '90s.

As you should have been. There was some great stuff. I rewatched the backroom Paul Schuytema video from an E3 past about a month ago - and there's still stuff in there that excites me, which I believe still has yet to be done in a released game. As time went on, the tech for the most part got passed over by more recent tech. If and when we decide to restart Prey, it will of course not use the same tech from back then, or the Corrinne Yu stuff. It will be brought up to date, assuming we do anything with it at all.

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then we never were told clearly what was happing

Oh yes we did. Our last public statement on the matter STILL STANDS. The game is officially on hold until DNF is finished. At that time we will decide what to do (if anything) with the project. That has not changed since we said that back in uh.. I don't remember now when we said it - 1998, I think (could have been 97, I have to look it up). Anyway, anything that has come since is someone's speculation or their own emotions inserted into what they want to believe about it.

The fact that it is on hold has not changed. Some here may have referred to it as cancelled, but I can assure you that the "on hold" statement still prevails. It has never formally been cancelled - it's just kind of floating out there in cryogenic suspension. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Point here is that I've been truthful, I've never lied about this issue, and people claim that I'm misleading them. Because what I tell them is not what they want to hear, they automatically assume that either I'm lying, I'm misdirecting them, or there's just some general issue that they believe exists that I'm not telling them. That's the bullshit.

10-15-2002, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by Townie:
So, Joe, its only normal that get extremely angry about this because after being promised so much in '97 and '98 ... and then as usual you would come in being overly defense and slice what was said down to nothing, angering us. ... but the fact that we keep getting screwd around, by contradictive posts, in regards to the old info inflames myself and others very much.... And then you get angry at us for speculation?

You do realise that 3dR doesn't really OWE you anything? I mean, all this "anger" and at what? A company that failed to come with a game you thought would be cool to play? There are dozens of other games, as cool as Prey promised to be. Everyone can tell you about a game that they were looking for but got cancelled. It's a bit disappointing, but nothing to get angry about it. I could understand whether you bought the game and it was a complete crap, but a game that wasn't even released?

So far, I haven't seen any problem with George and Scott announcements. I'm surprised they even make those, or, to be more honest, why they don't call the game cancelled, after all it's not that there is anything there worth using. The only element of the game that can be still usable is the story, and that's not really much to keep a project on hold for.

And of course that new posts will be different than the old. You don't expect people to say the same thing they did 2, 3 years ago, do ya? You're getting angry about people changing? 2 years ago DNF was 2 years in development, Prey's technology wasn't dated as it is now, and 3dR could start re-working on it with relative ease. The case isn't similar today.

And, if you read most of the Prey threads, you'll realise that Joe is, by the large, getting upset not with the speculations, but with the way they are being presented. Calling his company liars, claiming they owe you something, so pay up, etc.

Spare your anger for the more important things than non-existing games.

10-15-2002, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by moonbuzz:

You do realise that 3dR doesn't really OWE you anything?........................Spare your anger for the more important things than non-existing games.[/QB]

Duh of course they don't owe me anything lol - that's totally beside the point. Joe was a little annoyed at people speculating, so I tried to justify why. You should know, after being on the forums so long, that although yes 3DR don't *owe* us anything, they are still happy to discuss issues which are being rasied, providing that you try and at least have some depth to your arguments, and not just pure flaming.

3DR could do what most other developers do and not have an open UBB, but no, they are happy to discuss issues in regards to their products and company, and I think they must enjoy it. Having an open forum is of course going to expose them to issues such as this and I really don't think Joe minds, in fact George has said on numerous occasions that he enjoys it [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Joe: Bullshit was an exaggeration. What I meant was the condradictive updates as in Firstly Joe said the project was on hold, then I clearly remember scott saying "Oh Prey was a project that we couldn't finish the tech on, it looked awesome but we had to shelve it", then george saying "We had 80% of the tech done, but the developers just couldn't get it to a stage where they could start building the flow of the game - all the E3's were really just tech demos and not actually a showing off a "game" ". Then Corrine was hired for Prey, but then she wasn't, she was hired for the in-house 3DR engine development team that George said he was going to create. And then Corrine had left, but then she hadn't, but then Joe slipped up and said she had lol, and then George got angry because its "Non of our business" (which is true of course but amusing all the same). And now Prey being in development at another studio using the same system as 3DR & Remedy did with Max.

Basically it comes down to Prey has had an exciting life so far, and I got a little excited and saw something Joe said and thought I'd have a go at it, and now its really not going anywhere so I'll stop lol [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

I trust you and the following two things you said satisfy me completely: >>"Oh yes we did. Our last public statement on the matter STILL STANDS" & "Some here may have referred to it as cancelled, but I can assure you that the "on hold" statement still prevails. It has never formally been cancelled - it's just kind of floating out there in cryogenic suspension."

And with that I'll close my discussion [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Joe Siegler · 10-16-2002, 12:23 PM

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And with that I'll close my discussion

But you said several things that are still incorrect, and need to be addressed.

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Then Corrine was hired for Prey, but then she wasn't, she was hired for the in-house 3DR engine development team that George said he was going to create. And then Corrine had left, but then she hadn't, but then Joe slipped up and said she had lol, and then George got angry because its "Non of our business" (which is true of course but amusing all the same). And now Prey being in development at another studio using the same system as 3DR & Remedy did with Max.

Corrine was hired to work on tech. Tech that would have been used on Prey. There was no work being done on Prey itself when Corinne was here - just tech work. Although I could see how people might think it was Prey.

I didn't slip about anything - what I said was that she didn't work here anymore at the time, and the reason for her not working here anymore is none of your business. No revelations here. This is all old news. I also said it was noen of your business as to why she didn't work here. George said that, I said there. There was no "slip up". Removed her from the web site - that's about it. It's not like we make major announcements when folks aren't here anymore. It's not the kind of story a decent self respecting company promotes. Not unless the person left and tried to damage us in the press or something like that.

As for the bit about it being developed elsewhere - I stand by my statement. Prey is on hold - period.

One final thing - the fact that it hasn't been cancelled, and is "on hold" doesn't mean that it may not yet be cancelled. The decision on what to do with the project might also include cancellation. The reason I say this is that reading what you say it seems to me that you're assuming that we'll automatically work on it again after DNF is done. That's not entirely correct. We may work on it, we may cancel it. No idea what will happen until DNF is done.

10-20-2002, 09:05 PM

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We may work on it, we may cancel it. No idea what will happen until DNF is done.

Cool.

I just thought the whole thing was cancelled, so it's nice to hear that there's still a chance of having Prey.

08-27-2002, 12:32 AM	#47
Guest Guest	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? Uhhhmmmmm???????? Wouldn't there be a slight problem with HOM effect?? I don't know how any 3d engine could possibly render copies of the same object out to infinity. [ 08-27-2002, 01:34 AM: Message edited by: Sharp_Invasion ]

08-27-2002, 02:24 AM	#50
Guest Guest	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? That's right... They're not evil... They're just a little dim.

09-12-2002, 08:11 AM	#61
The Stinger Guest	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? http://www.3dgamers.com/games/prey/ there you go every screenshot and trailer of prey. I hope 3dr would continue prey or make it from scratch after they released dnf

09-12-2002, 10:35 AM	#63
The Stinger Guest	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? interview video?

09-12-2002, 01:04 PM	#65
The Stinger Guest	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? oh I see. I've never seen that,would love too thoug. Really there should be someone who has it and could upload it somewhere or maybe some site.

08-26-2002, 12:45 AM	#42
e-phonk	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? ^^ i never said he was fired =) I said they both left.

08-26-2002, 02:39 PM	#45
Night Hacker	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? I do remember reading on this site about how the hard drives were formatted. But then they re-hired new people to work on Prey (one person was a friend of mine from Kingston, Ontario at the time, Scott McCabe, he was doing the texture art... see the poster1g image in the 97 screenshots for his name at the bottom), anyhow, he had sent back a prey t-shirt and I emailed him a few times and suddenly he dropped of the face of the earth. Never heard of him again and his 3drealms email stopped working. I always wondered what happened to him. (he was the one that done the first total conversion for Duke Nukem I think...) __________________ "My general feeling is that computers are doing more harm than good." - Jay Miner ("father" of the Amiga)

08-27-2002, 12:45 AM	#48
Rag_Noris	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? Smells of the iD mafia. They see something better, and do whatever they can to destroy it. They must have been pissed that Prey looked better. Solution = make a fake forum account, say it's all fake, and pay the lead programmers to leave... or threaten them to leave. John Carmack is watching you. --Chris

08-27-2002, 12:50 AM	#49
e-phonk	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? ID & 3DRealms go back a loooooong time. Carmack & Tom Hall made Commander Keen for 3DR many many years ago... (ID still has the rights to keen for example). All the early ID games had that nice "apogee" logo at the beginning. I highly doubt they are the sons of satan set on this earth to wreak havoc & delay DNF =)

08-27-2002, 08:01 PM	#52
Vetek	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? I'm very interested in finding this interview with Paul. Someone e-mail it to me at [email protected] or put it up on a private server and send me an address, I'll post it up on Apogee Central when I get back from out of town on Sunday. Cheers. __________________ www.apogeecentral.tk

09-04-2002, 10:48 AM	#53
Yenz	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? As Vetek said above (I'm very interested in finding this interview with Paul). So am I so if someone has it please, please sent it to me my icq is; 46169317 __________________ www.penaltyofheroes.com http://blog.penaltyofheroes.com/ www.databoxgames.com

09-04-2002, 05:16 PM	#54
MrEricSir	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? I think there are a few reasons that so many people look at Prey and shout "conspiracy!" </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">3D Realms had never undertaken a project of this magnitude before. In the past, all the 3D engines they used were made by outside developers, or modified versions of engines made by outside developers.</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The main developer was fired -- but the game was supposedly almost done!</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Many people suddenly quit 3DR around that time, and no real explanation was given to the public other than, "That was odd."</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The posts on the UBB that seemed to come from Paul also used his real e-mail address, and a working e-mail address that you have control over has always been required for UBB registration.</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The next developer who was hired to finish Prey decided to start all over again from scratch due to the fact that she apparently could not understand the code. She later quit, and everyone was very hush-hush about the whole thing, in spite of vast amount of speculation on gaming news websites.</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">A quick glance at those reasons would lead many people to label this is as an indication that there was a conspiracy regarding the existence of the Prey engine here. However, I would say that there are a few major holes in this theory as well: </font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What purpose did this conspiracy serve? The gaming community already knew about Apogee / 3D Realms, so it couldn't have been publicity. 3D Realms obviously lost at least some money on the whole thing, so it wasn't profits either.</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No explanations were given as to the sudden departures of the developers. This is very different than false explanations, which would be far more typical of a real conspiracy.</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Even if the posts from Paul on the UBB were, in fact, real, they would only provide evidence as to a possible reason he was fired -- immature and unprofessional behavoir.</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The fact that 3D Realms had never written a 3D engine doesn't mean they couldn't. It just means that they didn't!</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Let's say for the sake of argument that the Prey engine WAS, in fact, all "smoke and mirrors." So what? They didn't release it! Gamers everywhere would have been pretty pissed if they had released the game, only to find out that the whole thing was faked when they played it.</font> <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> __________________ Big Brother is watching. Dress accordingly.

09-06-2002, 03:35 AM	#55
Hudson	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? I think Prey was a real game that had alot of potential. This is what I think happened. I think that 3DR doesn't (or at the time didnt) like working on two projects at the same time so the Prey team wasn't getting the attention that they wanted which caused them to quit (I dont think they were fired) and so 3DR placed Prey on the back burner and focused all work on DNF. Time went by and DNF kept getting more and more aged so they switched to the Unreal engine and decided to work on that full time while Remedy worked on Max Payne. Now it being almost 2003 with only a trailer and some screens from DNF released (and hopefully the full product coming soon) Prey looks far to dated to work with and upgrade and/or 3DR just doesn't want to deal with it. I could be completely wrong here but its the most logical explanation I could think of. __________________ Staying Frosty Since 09/06/07 - I love you Katie <3 “Software is like sex; it's better when it's free.” - Linus Torvalds “Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.” - Calvin & Hobbes [INSERT SYSTEM SPECS THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT HERE]

09-06-2002, 03:50 AM	#56
MrEricSir	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? Um, interesting explanation, but what proof do you have? I certainly don't remember Prey not getting publicity. If anything, it was over publicized for a game that hadn't been released. (Of course, this may have been partly 3D Realms' fault for claiming that it was "almost done.") __________________ Big Brother is watching. Dress accordingly.

09-06-2002, 08:19 PM	#57
MrEricSir	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? It seems as though there were some game magazines at the time that interviewed someone on the Prey team (don't remember who) who insisted that the game was "90% complete." Whether this was true or not is beside the point -- as far as I can remember, it's what the public was told. As far as the "no explanation" thing, I was referring to the fact that they left without explaining their departure, not that there WAS no explanation. __________________ Big Brother is watching. Dress accordingly.

09-11-2002, 06:45 PM	#59
Night Hacker	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? Well I found out what happened to my friend Scott McCabe (Prey artist), he is alive and well and living back in Kingston, Ontario (where I live!). I just emailed him ther other day... it's nice to have him back in Canada as a neighbor again. hehehe __________________ "My general feeling is that computers are doing more harm than good." - Jay Miner ("father" of the Amiga)

09-12-2002, 10:45 AM	#64
Devil Master	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? Yes, the one that's been mentioned in a lot of posts, where you can see the Prey engine in all its coolness (a pillar gets shot and the whole ceiling falls... and it's NOT a scripted event!)

09-13-2002, 09:31 AM	#66
Devil Master	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? Also, does anyone still have the 360 degrees Prey screenshots?

09-13-2002, 04:38 PM	#67
Yenz	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? Uuu the 360 thing I remember that one, u had to have aspecial program or thing installed to view that on. __________________ www.penaltyofheroes.com http://blog.penaltyofheroes.com/ www.databoxgames.com

09-13-2002, 05:14 PM	#68
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? I had two versions, you needed a plugin for your browser, or a Java app. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

09-16-2002, 12:20 PM	#70
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? Of course I have them. No, I won't send them. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

10-09-2002, 10:25 AM	#73
melt_core	Re: Have there ever been any Prey screens? You know, very drunk I could come to believe that there's a governmental conspiracy about aliens to make us their slaves. But a conspiracy from 3drealms, in order to... what? Lose money?...