"Too many sprites spawned" -problem

[Firsti]

Hi,

I'm new user in here, and I have a little question about "Too many sprites spawned" -errormessage in D3D.

I have made a _huge_ D3D map. Lot of sprites and sectors.
A week ago, sprite count was something like 1000, and sector count was 1022. Map worked in D3D.

I made two more sector into the map. Okey, sector count were 1024 after this. Now; Build goes *tilt*. I thought this could be a sectorlimit; like, you cant have more than 1023 sectors.
Note: Sprite count were still the same.

Okey, what can I do. Well, just remove those two sector which I made. Now sector count was 1022, again. But, when I launch D3D, game says; "Too many sprites spawned"

I cant figure out what to do. Any advice?


Regards

Firsti / pmw

[The Commander]

My advice,
Use Eduke32,

[Chip]

Both JFDuke and EDuke32 have increased the maximum limits all around allowing bigger maps to be used. This allows something like over 4,000 sectors and 16,000 sprites / walls.

In addition to this, in the user.con there is something somewhere near the top which defines the amount of "active" sprites to be left on the map. These sprites are things like bullet holes, blood etc....
Taking down this number reduces the amount of effects sprites left behind thus reducing the total amount of sprites in the game on the map.

[The Commander]

Originally Posted by Chip

Both JFDuke and EDuke32 have increased the maximum limits all around allowing bigger maps to be used. This allows something like over 4,000 sectors and 16,000 sprites / walls.

OLD / NEW
1024 / 4096 Sectors
8192 / 16384 Walls
4096 / 16384 Sprites

To be exact.

[DeeperThought]

Originally Posted by Chip

In addition to this, in the user.con there is something somewhere near the top which defines the amount of "active" sprites to be left on the map. These sprites are things like bullet holes, blood etc....
Taking down this number reduces the amount of effects sprites left behind thus reducing the total amount of sprites in the game on the map.

The max number of sprites is 16084. The max QSIZE (which determines the max number of bullet holes and other decals) is 1024. That makes a difference of at most 1/16 the total maximum sprites. Besides, everyone has their own copy of USER.CON with their own settings, so reducing that number for his map would do nothing for other people who played it.

[Firsti]

Thank you all. I'll test out EDuke. Maybe I need to make a smaller maps in future :-)



Firsti / pmw

[Firsti]

One thing more. Map works on EDuke, thats really good. But, that Build is still the problem.
After sector 1024, whole editor is useless, just *tilts*. Is there any new versions of Build? EBuild or something? :-)

My Build's version is: 20040115JF


EDIT:

I found mapster32.exe -executable from my Eduke-directory. It seems to be new Build with new features. Thanks for anyway!


Firsti / pmw

[XTHX2]

Use Eduke not JF It's outdated ...

[Dopefish7590]

Originally Posted by Firsti

Is there any new versions of Build? EBuild or something? :-)

You, my friend, are looking for Mapster32... It should come with EDuke32, but if it doesn't you can download the latest EDuke32 here (Includes Mapster32):
http://wiki.eduke32.com/stuff

Edit: Heh, noticed you found Mapster32... But the version of EDuke32 you downloaded is ancient... I would recommend getting the new one as it has many bugfixes and new features.

[Firsti]

Originally Posted by Dopefish7590

You, my friend, are looking for Mapster32... It should come with EDuke32, but if it doesn't you can download the latest EDuke32 here (Includes Mapster32):
http://wiki.eduke32.com/stuff

Edit: Heh, noticed you found Mapster32... But te versoin of EDuke32 you downloaded is aincient... I would reccommend getting the new one as it has many bugfixes and new features.

I downloaded a newest one of EDuke. Build version "20040115JF" was the old-one.

Now everything works fine with EDuke and Mapster32! Thanks to all of you!


Firsti / pmw

[Hudson]

Coding sprites to appear only at a set visible distance to a player would help too. Of course with a sixteen thousand it's rather moot.

[ilovefoxes]

Maybe, but not with wall/floor aligned sprites.

[Mateos]

For the guys who know Death, there is the Octabrain Valley, where the ground is covered by a tons of pipebomb. Explose all : Too many sprites.

[The Commander]

I rember the same thing happing on Star ship troopers TC playing on a LAN on some map when you used the Tatical Nuke, spawned way to much stuff.

[Dopefish7590]

Originally Posted by The Commander

I rember the same thing happing on Star ship troopers TC playing on a LAN on some map when you used the Tatical Nuke, spawned way to much stuff.

EDuke32 didn't have this problem I think..

[Firsti]

I wonder, if, I mean _if_, my map will break also EDuke32's sector-, sprite- and wall-limits. What should I do then?

Why there are limits? Is there possibility to some memory leak or something, does anybody know?


Firsti / pmw

[Dopefish7590]

If your map does indeed break EDuke32's limits... It will still open in Mapster32, so you can tone it down a bit. But I really don't think you need to worry about that right now. EDuke32's limits are really quite high... There are maps that are over a meg that don't break the limits right now.

[The Commander]

Originally Posted by Dopefish7590

EDuke32's limits are really quite high...

Im allready starting to get near the wall limit of eduke32...

[DeeperThought]

Why do people think they need to build such enormous maps? Just build several smaller maps and link them together. Even if you could make a map with 32000 walls or however many you want, the resulting monstrosity would probably perform poorly.

And this reminds me: I have a mini-mod for linking maps together HL2 style, so that you can return to a map you visited and it will be in the state it was when you left it. I can post that this weekend if people are interested.

[The Commander]

I will be interested in the code for the mod at sometime, lol
It will be interesting reading im guessing.

[Firsti]

I'm not doing anykind of Mod, Episode or something. Just a huge single map. This is my point, I want a _one_ big map. Like Duke It Out In Dc's Museum-map.

And about limits; I'm over half way on limits. I'll talk later about that, if I will break those limits.


Firsti / pmw

[DeeperThought]

Well nevermind then. I'll keep it to myself.

[Daedolon]

Originally Posted by DeeperThought

Well nevermind then. I'll keep it to myself.

Does the Eduke32 wiki have all the required functions listed? I'd definately like to see your take on it, as I'll need some guidance for my mods anyway.

[Firsti]

This map is done.

If you are interested about it, feel free to download it: http://firsti.iki.fi:81/muuta/aexpo/

Thanks to everybody for help.

[DeeperThought]

You should start a new thread about your map. Not many people are going to notice your release in the "Too many sprites spawned" thread. I'd also recommend starting a thread about it in the forum of Duke Nukem Repository.

[Firsti]

Originally Posted by DeeperThought

You should start a new thread about your map. Not many people are going to notice your release in the "Too many sprites spawned" thread. I'd also recommend starting a thread about it in the forum of Duke Nukem Repository.

I don't want to advertise my map so much. Thanks anyway.

[Helixhorned]

Cool map, very old-school and explorative-style.

Nitpicks:
- Serious arsenal is in a safe guarded by 8 DIPSWITCHes.
- Yellow card is hard to find, no clues
- Some areas could use more shading

@DT: I'd love to see this functionality, but not for me (my maps usually only reach the "cool beginning, what now?" stage nowadays), but because I'd like more large maps where you can roam around and explore. Does anybody have a Deus Ex-inspired mod planned? (Well I have, but...)

[Firsti]

Originally Posted by Helixhorned

Cool map, very old-school and explorative-style.

Nitpicks:
- Serious arsenal is in a safe guarded by 8 DIPSWITCHes.
- Yellow card is hard to find, no clues
- Some areas could use more shading

@DT: I'd love to see this functionality, but not for me (my maps usually only reach the "cool beginning, what now?" stage nowadays), but because I'd like more large maps where you can roam around and explore. Does anybody have a Deus Ex-inspired mod planned? (Well I have, but...)

Thanks for critisism. This map isn't normal, there's no just "one way" to complete map. There are lot of useless rooms and places. I like that.

I dont want to put Access Cards to some normal places, like behind door, or something. I know, it is difficult, that's the point.

I have made 8 years Half-Life -maps. On those, shadows will be generated, not made by human. So, thats why there are no shadows in some places.

I made my latest D3D map somewhere around 1998-2000, I think.