To George and the Rest of the DNF Team

LeonZyCoene · 06-22-2009, 10:06 AM

Gee wilikers does it ever seem fashionable to poo-poo on the Duke Nukem Forever team. Ever since the liquidation of 3dRealms all I've heard is people bitch and complain about how George Broussard and the rest had wasted twelve years of us fans' lives and millions of dollars of Take Two Interactive's funding. Everyone wants to crucify George and the gang. I've watched even the most loyal fans express dissatisfaction with their conduct. I've watched the hope of people who have waited the full twelve years dry up like leaves as they erupt into maniacal rants eviscerating the developers.

But I've waited the full twelve years as well, people. And for all their shortcomings, for all the delays, for all the money spent, for all the hours logged waiting, speculating, pining, I still feel the cozy glow of genuine good will and dedication emanating from these poor bastards. Why is it that we seek to verbally assassinate these guys? Sure, we'd gotten our hopes up and been let down. Sure, the game has cost millions, and will cost millions more. Sure, the game could have come out a million times over. But would any of us really, truly be satisfied with a product George and the gang themselves were not satisfied with? Would any of us really, truly be satisfied with a product we know could have been better just because we couldn't find something better to occupy our time with for twelve years?

It's true, they were not always forthcoming with the nature of the development. But how the hell could they have known they were walking into a labyrinth of dead ends and lackluster results? These guys intended, above all, to create something solid. Something truly magical, and I say that fully aware of its idealist implications. Our subjective interpretation as to whether it was worth the twelve year wait or whether or not the hype was overplayed is utterly irrelevant if, after twelve years of whining and bitching and personal attacks on these guys, they did accomplish something cut. Could we not appreciate something so well caressed and cared for by George and the gang just because of the wait? Can we not ****ing appreciate these guys for just ****ing trying? They've spent millions of their own damn money on this thing, people! They made no promises that this would be quick or easy. They have no obligations to us except one: deliver. No when. No how.

I support you, George. I support the entire team, the diaspora of 3dRealms. I imagine you still intend to complete this game and are uncertain as to whether or not you will be able to. I hope things turn out well, in part for myself (been waiting twelve years, yanno

), but also, in large part, for you guys. I want you to be able to make your baby, to birth it through your canal of creativity. And I want to sit with your baby, I want to play with your baby, and I want to touch your baby...

O.o

You still have one fan's unconditional understanding and support

Good luck!

Saul · 06-22-2009, 10:24 AM

*clap clap clap*

Benzineo · 06-22-2009, 10:53 AM

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I want to play with your baby, and I want to touch your baby...

that didn't sound so well did it?

tjc-superman · 06-22-2009, 11:05 AM

bravo, I say that one thing, I'm me george behind you and behind all the team since he duke3D output.
The fan franchie ,i m bad english sorry,lol

Kit · 06-22-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LeonZyCoene

I want to sit with your baby, I want to play with your baby, and I want to touch your baby...!

*Phones police*

3rdmillhouse · 06-22-2009, 11:48 AM

Pedophile alert!!!!!!! Someone call Chris Hansen!!!!

lordlonelobo · 06-22-2009, 12:39 PM

I'm Chris Hansen from DatelineNBC. And we're doing a story, on online predators.

But anyway, good post, dude. Finally a new post that isn't crucifying 3DR.

prophecy holder · 06-22-2009, 12:40 PM

I seriously cant tell if this guy is joking around or he is actually in love with George? Some people take being a fanboy to whole new levels of creepiness.

Also, have a seat.

Rider · 06-22-2009, 12:42 PM

Save the uncomfortable wording at the end, I agree completely.

Go Team!

TripleH · 06-22-2009, 02:58 PM

a new user which is positive about all this drama?? It must be George him self using fake account

you know if dukes get's released. I think most of us will be dissapointed. Not by a game, but by the fact, that it is out, you don't have to wait it anymore. I mean. The rescent 12 years I had a dream, I had to live what for. I go to shacknews and read funny comments, read jokes about duke and so on. And once it's out, all fun is gone..

Legopilot · 06-22-2009, 04:37 PM

Go team aye.

hammer oz · 06-22-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LeonZyCoene

guys. I want you to be able to make your baby, to birth it through your canal of creativity. And I want to sit with your baby, I want to play with your baby, and I want to touch your baby...

disturbing

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Leave GEORGE ALONE

lol goodpost though

wh4tever · 06-22-2009, 05:31 PM

What a load of claptrap.All that rubish about trying to create something really special.They are or were just a team of developers who were producing a game just like the Quake team, Halflife team and others. Them main difference is that they evidently wern't that good and got bogged down.To make things worse their PR team (I'll give then the benefit of the doubt) were no better and alienated many fans.

Oh, and if you take 12 year and still don't complete the job don't be suprised if platforms change and you have to recode endlessly.Cutting edge 12 years ago 9 years ago or two years ago is not cutting edge now.Imagine a car manufacturer taking twelve years plus to produce a car from drawing board to showroom.It would be obsolete before it left the factory, or drawing board in 3DR's case.

Credit for Duke 3d, great game, an awful long time ago.Since then they have been a joke and what happend to them should be no suprise to anyone.

Good riddance more than goodbye I think.

Destructor · 06-22-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wh4tever

Credit for Duke 3d, great game, an awful long time ago.Since then they have been a joke and what happend to them should be no suprise to anyone.

What about Shadow Warrior?

I thought that was an awesome game.

Nick_Zravre · 06-22-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TripleH

you know if dukes get's released. I think most of us will be dissapointed. Not by a game, but by the fact, that it is out, you don't have to wait it anymore. I mean. The rescent 12 years I had a dream, I had to live what for. I go to shacknews and read funny comments, read jokes about duke and so on. And once it's out, all fun is gone..

That is until the next (no one knows the future, don't try to predict it, it ruins the fun of it all...) Duke Nukem game goes into development after Forever.

StrikerMan780 · 06-22-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hammer oz

disturbing

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Leave GEORGE ALONE

lol goodpost though

I think he was referring to that "Baby" as being DNF.

lordlonelobo · 06-23-2009, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick_Zravre

That is until the next (no one knows the future, don't try to predict it, it ruins the fun of it all...) Duke Nukem game goes into development after Forever.

Duke Nukem TT

In DNTT, he travels through time, so when the game is released 38 years later, it's actually only two days after the game was announced.

I probably won't remember this tomorrow.

LeonZyCoene · 06-23-2009, 02:02 AM

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I think he was referring to that "Baby" as being DNF.

Lol, yes, but I was trying to end with something sort of weird and funny. That's why I added the O.o afterward, but apparently some people didn't quite catch that

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What a load of claptrap.All that rubish about trying to create something really special.They are or were just a team of developers who were producing a game just like the Quake team, Halflife team and others. Them main difference is that they evidently wern't that good and got bogged down.To make things worse their PR team (I'll give then the benefit of the doubt) were no better and alienated many fans.

Oh, and if you take 12 year and still don't complete the job don't be suprised if platforms change and you have to recode endlessly.Cutting edge 12 years ago 9 years ago or two years ago is not cutting edge now.Imagine a car manufacturer taking twelve years plus to produce a car from drawing board to showroom.It would be obsolete before it left the factory, or drawing board in 3DR's case.

Credit for Duke 3d, great game, an awful long time ago.Since then they have been a joke and what happend to them should be no suprise to anyone.

Good riddance more than goodbye I think.

I think the length of development of this game is pretty solid indication that they really were trying to create something special. They could have wrapped this game up a thousand times over, that's what they do for a living. But they decided not to. No game is delayed for twelve years by the will of the developers if they're just looking to turn a profit.

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I seriously cant tell if this guy is joking around or he is actually in love with George? Some people take being a fanboy to whole new levels of creepiness.

Also, have a seat.

Haha, me rikey Georgy.

Trust me, I'm looking at this sensibly. I'm not mindlessly rooting for the guy just because he developed a game I played all throughout my childhood. I honestly think they could use a bit of understanding here.

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Save the uncomfortable wording at the end, I agree completely.

Go Team!

Lol, at least someone got it.

hammer oz · 06-23-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by StrikerMan780

I think he was referring to that "Baby" as being DNF.

oh well in that case keep on harassing the baby and maybe he might crack

Pikachu · 06-24-2009, 09:01 AM

I have made the occasional analogy to DNF when things would seem to take a long time, but deep down I always had hope.

Oh well, I guess NOW YOU CAN FINALLY MAKE WACKY WHEELS DS! ^_________^

Dunedain · 06-24-2009, 09:29 AM

Some of the Duke Nukem Forever team may well be already back on the job working on the game, they just haven't announced it.

WoodenSword · 06-24-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunedain

Some of the Duke Nukem Forever team may well be already back on the job working on the game, they just haven't announced it.

No, they are not according to Wieder. Many of the key developers have found a job while others are still looking for and they very affected with what happened

BadScout · 06-24-2009, 03:49 PM

Sorry, I didn't bother reading the whole post, yet alone this thread, but:

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Originally Posted by LeonZyCoene

had wasted twelve years of us fans' lives

Every fan chose to do so themselves. Noone forced you. You did it on your own terms. And if you forgot about everything else there was (like games and stuff yet alone life itself) - your fault.

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Originally Posted by LeonZyCoene

and millions of dollars of Take Two Interactive's funding.

Wrong. According to what we've officially gathered so far. Only $2.5m. And that so far seems to have been tied to another Duke game.

LeonZyCoene · 06-24-2009, 08:16 PM

2.5 million is multiple, therefore plural. Hence the use of the word "millions".

And those two bits you quoted from me are actually used as an attempt to discredit them.

I'm on your side.

rev6605 · 06-24-2009, 08:36 PM

i feel the same way as the OP honestly... minus the touching babies.

ive waited 12 years, i can wait another twelve.
i would wait 12 years for a duke 3d remake for PC.

Crosma · 06-24-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BadScout

Wrong. According to what we've officially gathered so far. Only $2.5m. And that so far seems to have been tied to another Duke game.

Why don't you think $2,500,000 is millions of dollars? Who taught you maths?

And yes, the money was for to fund DNF from 3D Realms' perspective.

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Originally Posted by LeonZyCoene

I think the length of development of this game is pretty solid indication that they really were trying to create something special.

I don't. They've already admitted that they made mistakes. They've clearly wanted to wrap at earlier stages and haven't managed to for various reasons (hence the 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001 projected release years, which all slipped). Basically, they've admitted that they've screwed up. The only reason to argue your position is if you're trying to argue that their admitted mistakes were the right things to do regardless. Which isn't really a cogent argument now, is it?

Also, ask yourself this question: Is DNF going to be the best game ever? If not, why does it need the longest development time ever?

LeonZyCoene · 06-24-2009, 10:45 PM

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I don't. They've already admitted that they made mistakes. They've clearly wanted to wrap at earlier stages and haven't managed to for various reasons

Like being unsatisfied with the game.

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Basically, they've admitted that they've screwed up.

That doesn't indicate either way.

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The only reason to argue your position is if you're trying to argue that their admitted mistakes were the right things to do regardless.

Exactly. The admitted "mistakes" don't indicate either way.

There's only so many mistakes a team can make on a game that's been in development for twelve years. The rest, I think I can safely assume, could be that they were simply unsatisfied with what they were doing.

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Also, ask yourself this question: Is DNF going to be the best game ever?

Very doubtful.

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If not, why does it need the longest development time ever?

Because they were unsatisfied with what they were doing and made many mistakes along the way. None of this means they aren't trying to create something special.

Crosma · 06-25-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LeonZyCoene

Because they were unsatisfied with what they were doing and made many mistakes along the way. None of this means they aren't trying to create something special.

If they can't help but develop content that they're not satisfied with, doesn't that just mean that they suck? That's not my position, at all. I'm just trying to work yours out!

Antosa · 06-25-2009, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunedain

Some of the Duke Nukem Forever team may well be already back on the job working on the game, they just haven't announced it.

How do you say it?

AdrianGuenter · 06-25-2009, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Crosma

If they can't help but develop content that they're not satisfied with, doesn't that just mean that they suck? That's not my position, at all. I'm just trying to work yours out!

No, not necessarily. It could just as easily mean that George is insatiable.

ReadOnly · 06-25-2009, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Crosma

If they can't help but develop content that they're not satisfied with, doesn't that just mean that they suck?

It does. "We suck" (q) Scott Miller

X-Vector · 06-25-2009, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AdrianGuenter

No, not necessarily. It could just as easily mean that George is insatiable.

Or that he lacked the quality and vision to handle the project properly.

KaiserSoze · 06-25-2009, 08:33 AM

Let's have some perspective here for a moment.

We wouldn't be talking about this whole mess right now if 3dr had finished the game in a timely manner years ago. They have inevitably brought this upon themselves.

That's the short version anyways.

I'm still here hanging out. I'm still bummed, my kids are bummed and in the grand scheme of things this is probably something I shouldn't give 2 shits about. However, I've always believed George and 3dr could pull the game off. Now, I'm not so sure.

No one is above criticism and let's face it, 3dr and George have already admitted this. "Too ambitious, trying too hard" etc, etc. Those are admirable traits and one of the reasons I've followed the game up to this point.

It's also a huge reason the game is not out yet. Take 2 wasn't in charge of the development of DNF. They didn't order engine changes and numerous restarts. They pretty much sat by all those same years we did and wondered wtf George was doing with the game. Yes, a luxury George had being able to say they didn't have to answer to anyone about "deadlines" and such. I'd argue this also came back to bite them in the rear.

I hope this can all get worked out and that George does intend to get the game finished. I don't think Take 2 will win the case but I see nothing that would convince me George would then somehow finish the game should he win. If you win George, we still want the game!!!!

Our best bet is probably George and Take 2 settling this mess out of court and reconciling.

In the end, I should probably be like Dognose and "just let it go"...................

XXX000
-Kaiser

Antosa · 06-25-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KaiserSoze

Let's have some perspective here for a moment.

We wouldn't be talking about this whole mess right now if 3dr had finished the game in a timely manner years ago. They have inevitably brought this upon themselves.

That's the short version anyways.

I'm still here hanging out. I'm still bummed, my kids are bummed and in the grand scheme of things this is probably something I shouldn't give 2 shits about. However, I've always believed George and 3dr could pull the game off. Now, I'm not so sure.

No one is above criticism and let's face it, 3dr and George have already admitted this. "Too ambitious, trying too hard" etc, etc. Those are admirable traits and one of the reasons I've followed the game up to this point.

It's also a huge reason the game is not out yet. Take 2 wasn't in charge of the development of DNF. They didn't order engine changes and numerous restarts. They pretty much sat by all those same years we did and wondered wtf George was doing with the game. Yes, a luxury George had being able to say they didn't have to answer to anyone about "deadlines" and such. I'd argue this also came back to bite them in the rear.

I hope this can all get worked out and that George does intend to get the game finished. I don't think Take 2 will win the case but I see nothing that would convince me George would then somehow finish the game should he win. If you win George, we still want the game!!!!

Our best bet is probably George and Take 2 settling this mess out of court and reconciling.

In the end, I should probably be like Dognose and "just let it go"...................

XXX000
-Kaiser

I agree all. Go 3dRealms GO!!!!!

EmperorZorn · 06-25-2009, 11:41 AM

The first post made me laugh.

Its like "if I believe in Santa, he will become real

"

Uh...about Santa...
Did anyone play Nuclear Winter ?

Skiffer · 06-25-2009, 11:43 AM

I want to touch babies. B)

LeonZyCoene · 06-25-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by X-Vector

Or that he lacked the quality and vision to handle the project properly.

Or it could indicate either way and we each obviously have our own opinion on that.

Tualmasok · 06-25-2009, 10:13 PM

I'm not dissing the development team. I never have. I have always dissed management. Anyone who thinks the development of DNF was managed well, please raise your hand, and justify your reasoning.

LeonZyCoene · 06-25-2009, 10:18 PM

Lol, I don't think anyone is arguing that it was managed well. I'm arguing the intent of the developers.

Raoul Luigi · 06-26-2009, 12:58 AM

Beyond the oddness of using baby in place of game, well written, I agree with your impression of duke fans, its sad how easily they turned.

06-22-2009, 10:06 AM	#1
LeonZyCoene	To George and the Rest of the DNF Team Gee wilikers does it ever seem fashionable to poo-poo on the Duke Nukem Forever team. Ever since the liquidation of 3dRealms all I've heard is people bitch and complain about how George Broussard and the rest had wasted twelve years of us fans' lives and millions of dollars of Take Two Interactive's funding. Everyone wants to crucify George and the gang. I've watched even the most loyal fans express dissatisfaction with their conduct. I've watched the hope of people who have waited the full twelve years dry up like leaves as they erupt into maniacal rants eviscerating the developers. But I've waited the full twelve years as well, people. And for all their shortcomings, for all the delays, for all the money spent, for all the hours logged waiting, speculating, pining, I still feel the cozy glow of genuine good will and dedication emanating from these poor bastards. Why is it that we seek to verbally assassinate these guys? Sure, we'd gotten our hopes up and been let down. Sure, the game has cost millions, and will cost millions more. Sure, the game could have come out a million times over. But would any of us really, truly be satisfied with a product George and the gang themselves were not satisfied with? Would any of us really, truly be satisfied with a product we know could have been better just because we couldn't find something better to occupy our time with for twelve years? It's true, they were not always forthcoming with the nature of the development. But how the hell could they have known they were walking into a labyrinth of dead ends and lackluster results? These guys intended, above all, to create something solid. Something truly magical, and I say that fully aware of its idealist implications. Our subjective interpretation as to whether it was worth the twelve year wait or whether or not the hype was overplayed is utterly irrelevant if, after twelve years of whining and bitching and personal attacks on these guys, they did accomplish something cut. Could we not appreciate something so well caressed and cared for by George and the gang just because of the wait? Can we not **ing appreciate these guys for just *ing trying? They've spent millions of their own damn money on this thing, people! They made no promises that this would be quick or easy. They have no obligations to us except one: deliver. No when. No how. I support you, George. I support the entire team, the diaspora of 3dRealms. I imagine you still intend to complete this game and are uncertain as to whether or not you will be able to. I hope things turn out well, in part for myself (been waiting twelve years, yanno ), but also, in large part, for you guys. I want you to be able to make your baby, to birth it through your canal of creativity. And I want to sit with your baby, I want to play with your baby, and I want to touch your baby... O.o You still have one fan's unconditional understanding and support Good luck! Last edited by LeonZyCoene; 06-23-2009 at 02:26 AM.*

06-22-2009, 10:24 AM	#2
Saul	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team clap clap clap

06-22-2009, 11:05 AM	#4
tjc-superman	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team bravo, I say that one thing, I'm me george behind you and behind all the team since he duke3D output. The fan franchie ,i m bad english sorry,lol

06-22-2009, 11:48 AM	#6
3rdmillhouse	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team Pedophile alert!!!!!!! Someone call Chris Hansen!!!!

06-22-2009, 12:39 PM	#7
lordlonelobo	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team I'm Chris Hansen from DatelineNBC. And we're doing a story, on online predators. But anyway, good post, dude. Finally a new post that isn't crucifying 3DR.

06-22-2009, 12:40 PM	#8
prophecy holder	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team I seriously cant tell if this guy is joking around or he is actually in love with George? Some people take being a fanboy to whole new levels of creepiness. Also, have a seat. __________________ "Ever since I was a little boy, dressing up has always been...my greatest joy. But when It's time to be discreet, there is one thing you just can't beat and that's a strapless backless classical little black dress" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e4BCOrLmJ0 Last edited by prophecy holder; 06-22-2009 at 12:44 PM.

06-22-2009, 12:42 PM	#9
Rider	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team Save the uncomfortable wording at the end, I agree completely. Go Team! __________________ Duke4.net - Duke's OTHER home. HeadbangersFM - The station that keeps your head banging! ------------- She's pretty, not "damn-she's-making-my-noodle-dance-samba"-pretty, but still very pretty... - Micki!

06-22-2009, 02:58 PM	#10
TripleH	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team a new user which is positive about all this drama?? It must be George him self using fake account you know if dukes get's released. I think most of us will be dissapointed. Not by a game, but by the fact, that it is out, you don't have to wait it anymore. I mean. The rescent 12 years I had a dream, I had to live what for. I go to shacknews and read funny comments, read jokes about duke and so on. And once it's out, all fun is gone.. Last edited by TripleH; 06-22-2009 at 03:09 PM.

06-22-2009, 04:37 PM	#11
Legopilot	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team Go team aye.

06-22-2009, 05:31 PM	#13
wh4tever	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team What a load of claptrap.All that rubish about trying to create something really special.They are or were just a team of developers who were producing a game just like the Quake team, Halflife team and others. Them main difference is that they evidently wern't that good and got bogged down.To make things worse their PR team (I'll give then the benefit of the doubt) were no better and alienated many fans. Oh, and if you take 12 year and still don't complete the job don't be suprised if platforms change and you have to recode endlessly.Cutting edge 12 years ago 9 years ago or two years ago is not cutting edge now.Imagine a car manufacturer taking twelve years plus to produce a car from drawing board to showroom.It would be obsolete before it left the factory, or drawing board in 3DR's case. Credit for Duke 3d, great game, an awful long time ago.Since then they have been a joke and what happend to them should be no suprise to anyone. Good riddance more than goodbye I think. Last edited by wh4tever; 06-22-2009 at 05:33 PM. Reason: spelling

06-24-2009, 09:01 AM	#20
Pikachu	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team I have made the occasional analogy to DNF when things would seem to take a long time, but deep down I always had hope. Oh well, I guess NOW YOU CAN FINALLY MAKE WACKY WHEELS DS! ^_________^

06-24-2009, 09:29 AM	#21
Dunedain	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team Some of the Duke Nukem Forever team may well be already back on the job working on the game, they just haven't announced it. __________________ Location: Just outside the door with dual Beretta 9mm's...

06-24-2009, 08:16 PM	#24
LeonZyCoene	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team 2.5 million is multiple, therefore plural. Hence the use of the word "millions". And those two bits you quoted from me are actually used as an attempt to discredit them. I'm on your side.

06-24-2009, 08:36 PM	#25
rev6605	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team i feel the same way as the OP honestly... minus the touching babies. ive waited 12 years, i can wait another twelve. i would wait 12 years for a duke 3d remake for PC.

06-25-2009, 08:33 AM	#33
KaiserSoze	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team Let's have some perspective here for a moment. We wouldn't be talking about this whole mess right now if 3dr had finished the game in a timely manner years ago. They have inevitably brought this upon themselves. That's the short version anyways. I'm still here hanging out. I'm still bummed, my kids are bummed and in the grand scheme of things this is probably something I shouldn't give 2 shits about. However, I've always believed George and 3dr could pull the game off. Now, I'm not so sure. No one is above criticism and let's face it, 3dr and George have already admitted this. "Too ambitious, trying too hard" etc, etc. Those are admirable traits and one of the reasons I've followed the game up to this point. It's also a huge reason the game is not out yet. Take 2 wasn't in charge of the development of DNF. They didn't order engine changes and numerous restarts. They pretty much sat by all those same years we did and wondered wtf George was doing with the game. Yes, a luxury George had being able to say they didn't have to answer to anyone about "deadlines" and such. I'd argue this also came back to bite them in the rear. I hope this can all get worked out and that George does intend to get the game finished. I don't think Take 2 will win the case but I see nothing that would convince me George would then somehow finish the game should he win. If you win George, we still want the game!!!! Our best bet is probably George and Take 2 settling this mess out of court and reconciling. In the end, I should probably be like Dognose and "just let it go"................... XXX000 -Kaiser

06-25-2009, 11:41 AM	#35
EmperorZorn	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team The first post made me laugh. Its like "if I believe in Santa, he will become real " Uh...about Santa... Did anyone play Nuclear Winter ?

06-25-2009, 11:43 AM	#36
Skiffer	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team I want to touch babies. B)

06-25-2009, 10:13 PM	#38
Tualmasok	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team I'm not dissing the development team. I never have. I have always dissed management. Anyone who thinks the development of DNF was managed well, please raise your hand, and justify your reasoning.

06-25-2009, 10:18 PM	#39
LeonZyCoene	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team Lol, I don't think anyone is arguing that it was managed well. I'm arguing the intent of the developers.

06-26-2009, 12:58 AM	#40
Raoul Luigi	Re: To George and the Rest of the DNF Team Beyond the oddness of using baby in place of game, well written, I agree with your impression of duke fans, its sad how easily they turned. __________________ "Luigi had taken his shirt off and was pouring beer on his chest. ... We had two bags of fire flowers, 75 mushrooms, five invincibility stars ... And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge winged turtles, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car ..." Gamertag - The Nefarious J