Survival TC

Water12356 · 08-31-2005, 10:06 PM

Not shure if there is a thread about this TC, but there should be. Take a look at these new screens for it. They are absolutely unreal!!!

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~amc/foru...0&#entry121315

Nacho · 08-31-2005, 10:42 PM

It has now officialy peaked my intrest.

Those shots are just amazing for a Build game.

Dr. Kill · 08-31-2005, 11:17 PM

Amazing...

they got their shit together. Damn, that looks good!

I am amazed with the lighting. I think if my tc idea ever gets off the ground, I'll use lighting effects like that. Actually, they seemed to have beaten me to a few of them. Like the soft blue palette for shadows, and a light orange or peach color for light, and using high res sprites for fake lighting effects. I tried a few years ago (back in the dos days) to use lots of sprites at different transparencies to make more natural looking lighting effects. I was inspired by the Sega Saturn version of Duke, which had dynamic lighting. Since there were extreme limitations, it looked like crap. I recently thought of making new tiles for fake lighting effects, but I haven't yet. Maybe I will for my gore/effects pack.

Their work is so damn good, that I'd swear it was a different engine. That has to be some of the best level design.

Jblade · 09-01-2005, 09:17 AM

Thanks for the topic (I'm James at the AMC forums)

We were definitly aiming for an Unreal atmosphere and I see we accomplished it, I'm glad you guys like it.

Micki! · 09-01-2005, 11:56 AM

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Jblade said:
Thanks for the topic (I'm James at the AMC forums)

We were definitly aiming for an Unreal atmosphere and I see we accomplished it, I'm glad you guys like it.

It looks VERY cool indeed... But if you'd like to catch the Unreal atmosphere, why didn't you just use the Unreal engine then..?
(sorry if this already is explained in your thread in that other forum, i'm too lazy to read such a long post atm...

)

Jblade · 09-01-2005, 12:03 PM

Because we like to mod for Duke

Blade Nightflame · 09-01-2005, 12:34 PM

God damn, nice screenshots there. Makes me so EAGER to play any sort of EDuke mod.. ZDoom makes advanced stuff look easy..

Deth · 09-01-2005, 12:44 PM

I hope the stuff ripped from half-life will be replaced before release, if they were not already replaced.

Besides that, OMFG!!!!!!!1

Wow, I can't wait to play this.

Boinky · 09-01-2005, 12:47 PM

Very very nice indeed. This one looks lik ea keeper

. Cant wait to try it out!

Phayzon · 09-01-2005, 12:54 PM

Awesome.... But the shotgun is so easily reconised, its from 007: nightFire.

Micki! · 09-01-2005, 01:15 PM

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Jblade said:
Because we like to mod for Duke

I see... Duke is simply better...

Remember to post a playable version of it anytime soon...

Dr. Kill · 09-01-2005, 01:41 PM

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Jblade said:
Because we like to mod for Duke

Yeah, modding for Duke is fun. Let me know if you need bloody chunx!

Jblade · 09-01-2005, 02:07 PM

Thanks for the kind words - however the Shotgun isn't from Nightfire (Even though I see it looks familiar) We have a modeller on our team but he hasn't kept in touch as of lately so we don't know his position. Hopefully he can model us a nice SPAS-12

Phayzon · 09-01-2005, 02:28 PM

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Jblade said:
Thanks for the kind words - however the Shotgun isn't from Nightfire (Even though I see it looks familiar) We have a modeller on our team but he hasn't kept in touch as of lately so we don't know his position. Hopefully he can model us a nice SPAS-12

Really? Damn. Look JUST like it only with some different colors

Jblade · 07-03-2006, 11:12 AM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...01103080667952

A huge bump, but this seems the appopriate topic to put it in. A short video of some Survival close combat gameplay

GodBlitZor · 07-03-2006, 11:38 AM

You've finally interested me. Your Life Temple level looks promising. Sang's level could using some "filling up" its very empty. Its pretty good looking though, cant wait to see when its polished up some more.

Sang · 07-04-2006, 07:08 AM

^Yeah I'm still getting to that, unfortunately I don't really know what I could put in as it's supposed to be an abandoned area in a mountain. (well, abandoned except for the wolves

)

edit: But of course it needs optimization. The only thing I like about my map now are those lightbeams coming through the ceiling tbh

Mblackwell · 07-04-2006, 11:39 AM

Looks cool, the weapon animations could use a lot of work, but the rest is great.

GodBlitZor · 07-04-2006, 01:15 PM

Add some rock formations and some kind of evergreens I guess.

oak man · 07-04-2006, 02:00 PM

SWEET that looks awsome

Jblade · 07-04-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mblackwell

Looks cool, the weapon animations could use a lot of work, but the rest is great.

Such as? I can't improve it if you don't tell me what you think is wrong

(Well, excluding the Ironsights firing animation since I can see the problem there fine)

Mblackwell · 07-04-2006, 08:25 PM

The lack of frames of animation, choppy animation, etc. Even if you don't HAVE more frames to work with, remember you have rotatesprite.

Water12356 · 07-05-2006, 01:09 AM

Yay its back from the dead! \o/

Jblade · 07-05-2006, 03:52 AM

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The lack of frames of animation, choppy animation, etc. Even if you don't HAVE more frames to work with, remember you have rotatesprite.

Well I do have the models, but there's a large selection of weapons and at the moment it's quite easy for me to set up more for following Episodes (since Survival is episodic now) I'm really not going to spend hours importing intricate animations for each of these weapons since it will just slow the mod down and make the job more difficult

If you're using only 2 or 3 weapons than yeah, I would of made the animations more detailed but Survival has alot of weaponry and that translates to alot of hard work in an area I don't think needs it that desperatly. I do appreciate the criticism in any case.

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Yay its back from the dead! \o/

Survival was never dead in the first place, I just don't really talk about it much since I talked way too much about IW v2 too early

Quakis · 07-05-2006, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jblade

I'm really not going to spend hours importing intricate animations for each of these weapons since it will just slow the mod down and make the job more difficult

But it will be worth polishing this area up right? You could use rotatesprite like MBlackwell said to make it a bit more smoother...

Sang · 07-05-2006, 07:48 AM

Yeah, in an FPS the weapons are an essential part

Jblade · 07-05-2006, 07:49 AM

We'll see, but I'm not going to be importing hundreds of frames of animation to make some weapons look a bit smoother. It's a waste of time when it's nice to look at first and then eventually you completly forget about it.

Sang · 07-05-2006, 07:51 AM

Well you shouldn't import 'hundreds' but at least enough to make it seem a little more "realistic".

Quakis · 07-05-2006, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jblade

We'll see, but I'm not going to be importing hundreds of frames of animation to make some weapons look a bit smoother. It's a waste of time when it's nice to look at first and then eventually you completly forget about it.

Rotatesprite!

Jblade · 07-05-2006, 08:08 AM

Do you even know what that is? It lets you put sprites on screen. It's not a magic device that suddenly makes weapon animations smooth. Stop saying it like it is.

GodBlitZor · 07-05-2006, 10:02 AM

With proper coding it can be. Just double the frames, dont be lazy.

Mods take work, you act like you dont wanna do it

Jblade · 07-05-2006, 10:24 AM

Don't call me lazy - I've put a shitload of work into this and I'm not going to redo stuff that's fine just so a handful of people can go 'ooh, look how smooth the anims are' and than forget about it 5 seconds later.

DeeperThought · 07-05-2006, 10:36 AM

Saw the video from a post over at Alejandro's. Very impressive. I was blown away by how good the weapons looked. You can always add more animation frames later, after you have done higher priority stuff and if you have time.

TerminX · 07-05-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jblade

It's not a magic device that suddenly makes weapon animations smooth.

Yes it is.

Jblade · 07-05-2006, 03:14 PM

How is it? I still have to import the animation frames in to use it.

Quakis · 07-05-2006, 05:12 PM

No you don't...

I did this in flash, but this is what you can do with it... with just one frame... it's not called ROTATEsprite for nothing you know...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...tatesprite.swf

Jblade · 07-05-2006, 05:44 PM

Don't treat me like an idiot :/ I know that much, but I don't see how making the sprites rotate around is supposed to make the animation fantastically smooth. It doesn't even look that great.

GodBlitZor · 07-05-2006, 07:51 PM

Eh....quakis made a demonstration. It looks better in game. Rotate sprite can make a gun have 2 or 3 frames.

DeeperThought · 07-05-2006, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jblade

Don't treat me like an idiot :/ I know that much, but I don't see how making the sprites rotate around is supposed to make the animation fantastically smooth. It doesn't even look that great.

You don't have to literally rotate the sprite. You move the sprite to various positions on the screen in little increments to simulate having more frames.

Water12356 · 07-05-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jblade

Survival was never dead in the first place, I just don't really talk about it much since I talked way too much about IW v2 too early

I was mainly talking about my thread but ok.

08-31-2005, 10:06 PM	#1
Water12356	Survival TC Not shure if there is a thread about this TC, but there should be. Take a look at these new screens for it. They are absolutely unreal!!! http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~amc/foru...0&#entry121315 __________________ "Psycho Mantis locking your doors, your fridge, shutting off your air conditioner, and clogging your toilet sure beats reading some crap off a memory card." - Mr. Blud "Men trade whatever they have for sex and women trade sex for whatever they want. That may be unromantic but theres truth to it." - Nessus

08-31-2005, 10:42 PM	#2
Nacho	Re: Survival TC It has now officialy peaked my intrest. Those shots are just amazing for a Build game.

08-31-2005, 11:17 PM	#3
Dr. Kill	Re: Survival TC Amazing... they got their shit together. Damn, that looks good! I am amazed with the lighting. I think if my tc idea ever gets off the ground, I'll use lighting effects like that. Actually, they seemed to have beaten me to a few of them. Like the soft blue palette for shadows, and a light orange or peach color for light, and using high res sprites for fake lighting effects. I tried a few years ago (back in the dos days) to use lots of sprites at different transparencies to make more natural looking lighting effects. I was inspired by the Sega Saturn version of Duke, which had dynamic lighting. Since there were extreme limitations, it looked like crap. I recently thought of making new tiles for fake lighting effects, but I haven't yet. Maybe I will for my gore/effects pack. Their work is so damn good, that I'd swear it was a different engine. That has to be some of the best level design.

09-01-2005, 09:17 AM	#4
Jblade	Re: Survival TC Thanks for the topic (I'm James at the AMC forums) We were definitly aiming for an Unreal atmosphere and I see we accomplished it, I'm glad you guys like it.

09-01-2005, 12:03 PM	#6
Jblade	Re: Survival TC Because we like to mod for Duke

09-01-2005, 12:34 PM	#7
Blade Nightflame	Re: Survival TC God damn, nice screenshots there. Makes me so EAGER to play any sort of EDuke mod.. ZDoom makes advanced stuff look easy.. __________________

09-01-2005, 12:44 PM	#8
Deth	Re: Survival TC I hope the stuff ripped from half-life will be replaced before release, if they were not already replaced. Besides that, OMFG!!!!!!!1 Wow, I can't wait to play this.

09-01-2005, 12:47 PM	#9
Boinky	Re: Survival TC Very very nice indeed. This one looks lik ea keeper . Cant wait to try it out! __________________ If you give a man a jingle, he'll jingle for a day. If you teach a man to jingle, he'll jingle all the way! I got a fever. And the only prescription, is more cowbell.

09-01-2005, 12:54 PM	#10
Phayzon	Re: Survival TC Awesome.... But the shotgun is so easily reconised, its from 007: nightFire. __________________ I made the first post on the VB! "So I guess the news here is that not only is Australia the last to get anything new in regard to videogames, they're also the first to get them taken away." - LeadBullet "We're part-time internet superheros." - Hudson

09-01-2005, 02:07 PM	#13
Jblade	Re: Survival TC Thanks for the kind words - however the Shotgun isn't from Nightfire (Even though I see it looks familiar) We have a modeller on our team but he hasn't kept in touch as of lately so we don't know his position. Hopefully he can model us a nice SPAS-12

07-03-2006, 11:12 AM	#15
Jblade	Re: Survival TC http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...01103080667952 A huge bump, but this seems the appopriate topic to put it in. A short video of some Survival close combat gameplay

07-03-2006, 11:38 AM	#16
GodBlitZor	Re: Survival TC You've finally interested me. Your Life Temple level looks promising. Sang's level could using some "filling up" its very empty. Its pretty good looking though, cant wait to see when its polished up some more.

07-04-2006, 07:08 AM	#17
Sang	Re: Survival TC ^Yeah I'm still getting to that, unfortunately I don't really know what I could put in as it's supposed to be an abandoned area in a mountain. (well, abandoned except for the wolves ) edit: But of course it needs optimization. The only thing I like about my map now are those lightbeams coming through the ceiling tbh __________________ traB pu kcip

07-04-2006, 11:39 AM	#18
Mblackwell	Re: Survival TC Looks cool, the weapon animations could use a lot of work, but the rest is great. __________________ I don't wanna be like other people are Don't wanna own a key, don't wanna wash my car Don't wanna have to work like other people do I want it to be free, I want it to be true Eduke32.com : The Rejected Applications : The Meadhall of the Comitatus

07-04-2006, 01:15 PM	#19
GodBlitZor	Re: Survival TC Add some rock formations and some kind of evergreens I guess.

07-04-2006, 02:00 PM	#20
oak man	Re: Survival TC SWEET that looks awsome __________________ "I hereby nominate 'DUDE!! Huge bag of cheetos!' for 'Best Topic Title of the Year, 2006.'"-ZzTX "I vote oak man for supreme leader of the 3DR boards."-Tang Lung >>My flickr page<<

07-04-2006, 08:25 PM	#22
Mblackwell	Re: Survival TC The lack of frames of animation, choppy animation, etc. Even if you don't HAVE more frames to work with, remember you have rotatesprite. __________________ I don't wanna be like other people are Don't wanna own a key, don't wanna wash my car Don't wanna have to work like other people do I want it to be free, I want it to be true Eduke32.com : The Rejected Applications : The Meadhall of the Comitatus

07-05-2006, 01:09 AM	#23
Water12356	Re: Survival TC Yay its back from the dead! \o/ __________________ "Psycho Mantis locking your doors, your fridge, shutting off your air conditioner, and clogging your toilet sure beats reading some crap off a memory card." - Mr. Blud "Men trade whatever they have for sex and women trade sex for whatever they want. That may be unromantic but theres truth to it." - Nessus

07-05-2006, 07:48 AM	#26
Sang	Re: Survival TC Yeah, in an FPS the weapons are an essential part __________________ traB pu kcip

07-05-2006, 07:49 AM	#27
Jblade	Re: Survival TC We'll see, but I'm not going to be importing hundreds of frames of animation to make some weapons look a bit smoother. It's a waste of time when it's nice to look at first and then eventually you completly forget about it.

07-05-2006, 07:51 AM	#28
Sang	Re: Survival TC Well you shouldn't import 'hundreds' but at least enough to make it seem a little more "realistic". __________________ traB pu kcip

07-05-2006, 08:08 AM	#30
Jblade	Re: Survival TC Do you even know what that is? It lets you put sprites on screen. It's not a magic device that suddenly makes weapon animations smooth. Stop saying it like it is.

07-05-2006, 10:02 AM	#31
GodBlitZor	Re: Survival TC With proper coding it can be. Just double the frames, dont be lazy. Mods take work, you act like you dont wanna do it

07-05-2006, 10:24 AM	#32
Jblade	Re: Survival TC Don't call me lazy - I've put a shitload of work into this and I'm not going to redo stuff that's fine just so a handful of people can go 'ooh, look how smooth the anims are' and than forget about it 5 seconds later.

07-05-2006, 10:36 AM	#33
DeeperThought	Re: Survival TC Saw the video from a post over at Alejandro's. Very impressive. I was blown away by how good the weapons looked. You can always add more animation frames later, after you have done higher priority stuff and if you have time.

07-05-2006, 03:14 PM	#35
Jblade	Re: Survival TC How is it? I still have to import the animation frames in to use it.

07-05-2006, 05:12 PM	#36
Quakis	Re: Survival TC No you don't... I did this in flash, but this is what you can do with it... with just one frame... it's not called ROTATEsprite for nothing you know... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...tatesprite.swf __________________ Latest Review @ The Abandoned Workshops : Castle of the Dark Ages & The Living End The Abandoned Workshops \| Project Gallery \| YouTube Channel \| MyAnimeList \| Star Wars: The New Era

07-05-2006, 05:44 PM	#37
Jblade	Re: Survival TC Don't treat me like an idiot :/ I know that much, but I don't see how making the sprites rotate around is supposed to make the animation fantastically smooth. It doesn't even look that great.

07-05-2006, 07:51 PM	#38
GodBlitZor	Re: Survival TC Eh....quakis made a demonstration. It looks better in game. Rotate sprite can make a gun have 2 or 3 frames.