My voxel model pack - Page 3

Devan · 03-16-2007, 07:00 AM

Freewebtown isn't very useful because now my website is down again. You can download VMP 1.5b at http://rapidshare.com/files/21306805...ackfull15b.zip . If you already have 1.5a, you can download it from http://rapidshare.com/files/21307970/voxelupdate15b.zip . If you have older version than 1.5a and don't want to download full pack again, write me which version you have and I'll upload older version for you.

And I forgot to say that now full version of voxel model pack has voxelpack.def instead of duke3d.def and voxelpack.bat with eduke32 -hvoxelpack.def . Now you can forget affecting other addons, for example, HRP.

zchri9 · 03-17-2007, 12:43 AM

my computer has no opengl support will it play in 8 bit mode using ur voxels??

zchri9 · 03-17-2007, 12:46 AM

Devan i have added a refrence of your mod on wikipedia heres the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voxel#Computer_gaming

Devan · 03-17-2007, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zchri9

Devan i have added a refrence of your mod on wikipedia heres the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voxel#Computer_gaming

Thanks for that!

. Voxels WILL work on your computer in 8-bit classic renderer. But there are voxel problems on all computers: big loading time and limit by cache size...

zchri9 · 03-17-2007, 01:40 AM

i am having problems with ur voxel pack it loads untill it says your ip addrease is ***.***.*** * as the numbers
and i just cahnged the text in the voel wiki it now says Duke Nukem 3D has a optional voxel model pack created by Devan on 30-12-06 this pack contains the high resolution pack models converted to voxels

zchri9 · 03-18-2007, 12:06 AM

your site is back online and i have just compyed all of the stuff onto my hdd if u are gonna change the host i have a copy of the site for u k good

Devan · 03-18-2007, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zchri9

your site is back online and i have just compyed all of the stuff onto my hdd if u are gonna change the host i have a copy of the site for u k good

I didn't understand clearly. Could you re-post this with commas and dots and could you change letters to full words (like "you" instead of "u")?

03-18-2007, 04:04 AM

VMP v1.5b full : http://moreplease.free.fr/HRP/Devan/...ackfull15b.zip

Devan · 03-18-2007, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Thundik81

VMP v1.5b full : http://moreplease.free.fr/HRP/Devan/...ackfull15b.zip

Thanks one more time

Looks like everybody tries to do something what's good for me

zchri9 · 03-19-2007, 12:19 AM

i said i copyed your site since it came back online if you are going to change the site host i have a copy of every thing on your site

Devan · 03-19-2007, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zchri9

i said i copyed your site since it came back online if you are going to change the site host i have a copy of every thing on your site

I also have my site copy. Maybe I'll move it to rapidshare. Then it wil be in one html file.

Devan · 03-20-2007, 07:01 AM

Very much thanks to Thundik81 who moved my site to: http://moreplease.free.fr/HRP/Devan/voxelindex.html !

eyceguy · 03-22-2007, 05:05 PM

Devan

Thank you so much for the voxel pack!

I do a lot of traveling with my laptop which uses a crap integrated vid card that does not like OpenGL, so this is the perfect solution to having high-def duke3d on the road!

Deuxsonic · 03-30-2007, 08:00 AM

Is there a way to prevent voxels from loading with certain sprites, like what exists using maphacks for MD2/MD3?

Devan · 03-30-2007, 08:12 AM

I don't know. Maybe maphacks affect voxels (see in http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10384 ) and I tried to do that but maphacks didn't work...

Deuxsonic · 03-30-2007, 08:33 AM

I've tried that as well, and voxels aren't affected. The voxel "scale" parameter also does nothing.

Devan · 03-30-2007, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deuxsonic

The voxel "scale" parameter also does nothing.

Did this happen with OpenGL?

Deuxsonic · 03-30-2007, 08:56 AM

Yes, I use GL with nearest filtering because it retains the look of the original but improves the colors at distances over the classic renderer. The scale param not working isn't a problem as much as just an extra step of having to prescale them outside the game. Having a working maphack with voxels is pretty much a must for switches because without it, I'd have to leave one switch type without a corresponding voxel in order to hide it in places where this is applicable.

Devan · 03-30-2007, 09:02 AM

I don't like voxels in OpenGL because then every voxel is rendered as small cube. In OpenGL, I like polygonal models more. I like voxels because they are alternative choice for software classic renderer. But one renderer in game doesn't render models - software polymost. I'd like to see polygonal models in 8-bit polymost

Deuxsonic · 03-30-2007, 09:15 AM

Voxels are made up of small cubes though...

Devan · 03-30-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Deuxsonic

Voxels are made up of small cubes though...

They're just like small 2D sprites in 3D and more than one of them can make 3D object. Voxels are cubes only in polygonal renderer. But they're models for classic renderer.

05-05-2007, 11:20 PM

So technically what is the point of having monsters rendered in voxels when we have proper rendered models???

Thats the only damn thing I don't get...

Devan · 05-06-2007, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piano Man

So technically what is the point of having monsters rendered in voxels when we have proper rendered models???

Thats the only damn thing I don't get...

I think still there are people whose computers don't support OpenGL. They can play in 8-bit classic mode with models. And there are people who like old renderer.

Dopefish7590 · 05-07-2007, 11:51 AM

Your voxels work really nicely in cduke

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Piano Man

So technically what is the point of having monsters rendered in voxels when we have proper rendered models???

Thats the only damn thing I don't get...

What would happen if you couldent use 16-32 but hrp pack? what would you do for maodels... Theese models work in 8 bit classic mode

Devan · 05-07-2007, 11:58 AM

and does scale parameter work in cduke???

Dopefish7590 · 05-07-2007, 11:59 AM

*shrugs*

*crunch* *crunch* theese voxels taste good

05-08-2007, 05:28 AM

Seriously - how many computer don't support OpenGL.... OpenGL has been in existence for the last 6 years at least - Hate to say this - but if someone has a computer that is older than 6 years old - It's time to LET GO...

Just let the poor computer die already instead of squeezing every microscopicably last volt from it's poor fading power source and motherboard.

Devan · 05-08-2007, 07:24 AM

Well, I started making this pack for myself, but I decided to post in this forum.

Dopefish7590 · 05-08-2007, 10:21 AM

i have an older computer computer that supports DX but not OpenGL

But... I cant get another computer because of my parents

misfitx · 05-18-2007, 10:55 PM

will we see an updated pack for the latest release (v3)?

Devan · 05-19-2007, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by misfitx

will we see an updated pack for the latest release (v3)?

Maybe. I just became too lazy for this when I was waiting for v3

Because it took few months to release HRP v3. Maybe I would start VMP 1.6 today.

misfitx · 05-19-2007, 12:44 PM

hmm okay cool.. i actually wasn't able to get 1.5 working because of that cache problem. maybe when they release a port of the HRP for mac i would be able to run it (i have more ram on that one)

Devan · 05-19-2007, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by misfitx

hmm okay cool.. i actually wasn't able to get 1.5 working because of that cache problem. maybe when they release a port of the HRP for mac i would be able to run it (i have more ram on that one)

Memory limit is very bad... Why are voxels limited by cache size? Maybe it's just to make it impossible to play with them. And about converting from voxels to polygonal models, what takes much time: let's say nobody needs voxels. Then why does this converting code exist in EDuke32 at all?

About cache size: I have 512 MB RAM but this was too small when I tried to run EDuke32 with voxels. Cache size was about 140 MB. And one more thing with this: voxels are for slow machines, then why this makes them only run on fast machines? The same is about long loading time.

Awesoken · 05-19-2007, 06:40 PM

I wrote the voxel to polygon conversion code mainly for Shadow Warrior, so it would have no drawbacks in the OpenGL modes. The models that come with Shadow Warrior are all quite small, so loading time and cache size were never an issue. While full voxel model support would be nice, that was not my goal at the time. I stopped working on it once Shadow Warrior ran sufficiently. It's a shame that nobody on these forums has the ability, interest, or time to finish the job.

Devan · 05-20-2007, 03:54 AM

I want to tell everybody about VMP 1.6 progress. I learned scripting CON files a little bit, so I will make some improvements. As I said, animation defined in ART files doesn't work with voxels. I will just modify GAME.CON file - I will define animation there. And it will work. I have done this with spinning cycloid emperor head in E2L5. And fan in E1L1 start will turn.

Devan · 05-22-2007, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hellbound

I wish to see my Battlelord as voxels

Here he is:

DavoX · 05-22-2007, 09:29 AM

Hey looks really cool!!

Devan · 05-22-2007, 12:24 PM

And other bosses:

DavoX · 05-22-2007, 04:48 PM

Cool! did it take you too long to do that?

Devan · 05-23-2007, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavoX

Cool! did it take you too long to do that?

No, I didn't need much time.

03-18-2007, 04:04 AM	#88
Thundik81 Guest	Re: My voxel model pack VMP v1.5b full : http://moreplease.free.fr/HRP/Devan/...ackfull15b.zip

05-05-2007, 11:20 PM	#102
Piano Man Guest	Re: My voxel model pack So technically what is the point of having monsters rendered in voxels when we have proper rendered models??? Thats the only damn thing I don't get...

05-08-2007, 05:28 AM	#107
Piano Man Guest	Re: My voxel model pack Seriously - how many computer don't support OpenGL.... OpenGL has been in existence for the last 6 years at least - Hate to say this - but if someone has a computer that is older than 6 years old - It's time to LET GO... Just let the poor computer die already instead of squeezing every microscopicably last volt from it's poor fading power source and motherboard.

03-16-2007, 07:00 AM	#81
Devan	Re: My voxel model pack Freewebtown isn't very useful because now my website is down again. You can download VMP 1.5b at http://rapidshare.com/files/21306805...ackfull15b.zip . If you already have 1.5a, you can download it from http://rapidshare.com/files/21307970/voxelupdate15b.zip . If you have older version than 1.5a and don't want to download full pack again, write me which version you have and I'll upload older version for you. And I forgot to say that now full version of voxel model pack has voxelpack.def instead of duke3d.def and voxelpack.bat with eduke32 -hvoxelpack.def . Now you can forget affecting other addons, for example, HRP. __________________ Sorry for my bad english - I'm from Lithuania If you like voxel models but you don't know where to get them, click HERE NOW! Thread link: http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24456 Last edited by Devan; 03-16-2007 at 12:29 PM. Reason: forgot to say something

03-17-2007, 12:43 AM	#82
zchri9	Re: My voxel model pack my computer has no opengl support will it play in 8 bit mode using ur voxels??

03-17-2007, 12:46 AM	#83
zchri9	Re: My voxel model pack Devan i have added a refrence of your mod on wikipedia heres the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voxel#Computer_gaming

03-17-2007, 01:40 AM	#85
zchri9	Re: My voxel model pack i am having problems with ur voxel pack it loads untill it says your ip addrease is *..** * as the numbers and i just cahnged the text in the voel wiki it now says Duke Nukem 3D has a optional voxel model pack created by Devan on 30-12-06 this pack contains the high resolution pack models converted to voxels Last edited by zchri9; 03-17-2007 at 02:11 AM.

03-18-2007, 12:06 AM	#86
zchri9	Re: My voxel model pack your site is back online and i have just compyed all of the stuff onto my hdd if u are gonna change the host i have a copy of the site for u k good

03-19-2007, 12:19 AM	#90
zchri9	Re: My voxel model pack i said i copyed your site since it came back online if you are going to change the site host i have a copy of every thing on your site

03-20-2007, 07:01 AM	#92
Devan	Re: My voxel model pack Very much thanks to Thundik81 who moved my site to: http://moreplease.free.fr/HRP/Devan/voxelindex.html ! __________________ Sorry for my bad english - I'm from Lithuania If you like voxel models but you don't know where to get them, click HERE NOW! Thread link: http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24456

03-22-2007, 05:05 PM	#93
eyceguy	Re: My voxel model pack Devan Thank you so much for the voxel pack! I do a lot of traveling with my laptop which uses a crap integrated vid card that does not like OpenGL, so this is the perfect solution to having high-def duke3d on the road!

03-30-2007, 08:00 AM	#94
Deuxsonic	Re: My voxel model pack Is there a way to prevent voxels from loading with certain sprites, like what exists using maphacks for MD2/MD3? __________________ Good job everyone! Keep up the great work! Let me know if I can be of service to you.

03-30-2007, 08:12 AM	#95
Devan	Re: My voxel model pack I don't know. Maybe maphacks affect voxels (see in http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10384 ) and I tried to do that but maphacks didn't work... __________________ Sorry for my bad english - I'm from Lithuania If you like voxel models but you don't know where to get them, click HERE NOW! Thread link: http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24456

03-30-2007, 08:33 AM	#96
Deuxsonic	Re: My voxel model pack I've tried that as well, and voxels aren't affected. The voxel "scale" parameter also does nothing. __________________ Good job everyone! Keep up the great work! Let me know if I can be of service to you.

03-30-2007, 08:56 AM	#98
Deuxsonic	Re: My voxel model pack Yes, I use GL with nearest filtering because it retains the look of the original but improves the colors at distances over the classic renderer. The scale param not working isn't a problem as much as just an extra step of having to prescale them outside the game. Having a working maphack with voxels is pretty much a must for switches because without it, I'd have to leave one switch type without a corresponding voxel in order to hide it in places where this is applicable. __________________ Good job everyone! Keep up the great work! Let me know if I can be of service to you.

03-30-2007, 09:02 AM	#99
Devan	Re: My voxel model pack I don't like voxels in OpenGL because then every voxel is rendered as small cube. In OpenGL, I like polygonal models more. I like voxels because they are alternative choice for software classic renderer. But one renderer in game doesn't render models - software polymost. I'd like to see polygonal models in 8-bit polymost __________________ Sorry for my bad english - I'm from Lithuania If you like voxel models but you don't know where to get them, click HERE NOW! Thread link: http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24456

03-30-2007, 09:15 AM	#100
Deuxsonic	Re: My voxel model pack Voxels are made up of small cubes though... __________________ Good job everyone! Keep up the great work! Let me know if I can be of service to you.

05-07-2007, 11:58 AM	#105
Devan	Re: My voxel model pack and does scale parameter work in cduke??? __________________ Sorry for my bad english - I'm from Lithuania If you like voxel models but you don't know where to get them, click HERE NOW! Thread link: http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24456

05-07-2007, 11:59 AM	#106
Dopefish7590	Re: My voxel model pack shrugs crunch crunch theese voxels taste good

05-08-2007, 07:24 AM	#108
Devan	Re: My voxel model pack Well, I started making this pack for myself, but I decided to post in this forum. __________________ Sorry for my bad english - I'm from Lithuania If you like voxel models but you don't know where to get them, click HERE NOW! Thread link: http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24456

05-08-2007, 10:21 AM	#109
Dopefish7590	Re: My voxel model pack i have an older computer computer that supports DX but not OpenGL But... I cant get another computer because of my parents

05-18-2007, 10:55 PM	#110
misfitx	Re: My voxel model pack will we see an updated pack for the latest release (v3)?

05-19-2007, 12:44 PM	#112
misfitx	Re: My voxel model pack hmm okay cool.. i actually wasn't able to get 1.5 working because of that cache problem. maybe when they release a port of the HRP for mac i would be able to run it (i have more ram on that one)

05-19-2007, 06:40 PM	#114
Awesoken	Re: My voxel model pack I wrote the voxel to polygon conversion code mainly for Shadow Warrior, so it would have no drawbacks in the OpenGL modes. The models that come with Shadow Warrior are all quite small, so loading time and cache size were never an issue. While full voxel model support would be nice, that was not my goal at the time. I stopped working on it once Shadow Warrior ran sufficiently. It's a shame that nobody on these forums has the ability, interest, or time to finish the job. __________________ -Ken S.

05-20-2007, 03:54 AM	#115
Devan	Re: My voxel model pack I want to tell everybody about VMP 1.6 progress. I learned scripting CON files a little bit, so I will make some improvements. As I said, animation defined in ART files doesn't work with voxels. I will just modify GAME.CON file - I will define animation there. And it will work. I have done this with spinning cycloid emperor head in E2L5. And fan in E1L1 start will turn. __________________ Sorry for my bad english - I'm from Lithuania If you like voxel models but you don't know where to get them, click HERE NOW! Thread link: http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24456

05-22-2007, 09:29 AM	#117
DavoX	Re: My voxel model pack Hey looks really cool!! __________________ My Facebook Page for Game Design, Check it out! My Youtube Channel, With mapster32 tutorials!

05-22-2007, 04:48 PM	#119
DavoX	Re: My voxel model pack Cool! did it take you too long to do that? __________________ My Facebook Page for Game Design, Check it out! My Youtube Channel, With mapster32 tutorials!