How do you feel about Sam Lake not being Max?

[asker]

By now, pretty much everybody knows that Sam Lake is not playing the role of Max Payne in the sequel. But how much does this affect you? Do you care? In what respect?

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

How Do You Feel About Sam Lake Not Being Max?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Somewhat dissipointed.

[The Baskinator]

*smirks* The "not caring" option sounds very callous, don't you think? I care very much about the issue, though I like both the new and the old.

[SkavenRMD]

The questions seem too biased and/or callous, you should present a more objective set of questions that allows everyone to find an answer they like. Such as:
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• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The new face is much better than the old face!</font>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I didn't like the new face first, but it grew on me.</font>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Either face is fine. It's the game itself that's important.</font>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I don't really like the new face, but what can you do.</font>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think the new face is a terrible mistake. Bring back Sam Lake!</font>

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">
(just an example)

[hemlock_0]

Or we could vote using the 'callous' options and all have a good old time doing it. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Seriously though, some people are understandably upset at the change, and I think that's fair since there is no good explanation for it yet ("he's older", and "we hired someone else" are not very satisfying reasons). I have faith in Sam's writing; I'm sure there is a perfectly good reason for this in the story itself, and we'll see it when Remedy is ready.

Bring back Sam Lake.

[Spazer]

new face would have been fine if they started with it

but you are changing what we have already identified with, sam is max period. i hate how they are just like pfft..i dont feel like being the model so we will just spend some of the millions we made off these fans and have someone else do it. remedy obviously doesnt care much, but i understand..its business, a franchise..not a ground breaking awesome game that could have been even more of a hit than the first max

at least we will always have max1, i think this will turn out as one of those things that are just a huge 1 time thing, followed up buy a huge mistake and the first thing is treasured forever, 2nd thing frowned upon

sorry if this sounds like a flame, but its not. just my OPINION. i know i havent played the new max but ive seen the shots, replacing the MAIN CHARACTER in a story that is so deep and in your face is just too huge a blow for me to cope with. personally i was spooging myself over even the though of mp2..now im just 'meh'

and i dont get what this constipation crap was about, never did max look like he was constipated

if sam really didnt want to goto new york to do the shots/modeling..couldnt you guys just buy the equip to do it? max 2 & (3?+) would have paid for it..plus the huge millions you made off max 1..or there has to be someplace else you can do it that is closer to you

heh sorry for ranting..i havent said a word for a long time here..been building up opinions about it in my head for days now [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

[hemlock_0]

Originally posted by Spazer:
heh sorry for ranting..i havent said a word for a long time here..been building up opinions about it in my head for days now [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">'No problem with that here. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[asker]

Hemlock, I'm putting your sig into mine, if that's ok with you.

[Jade]

The first time I seen the new face I was a bit disappointed, but I start to love it now.

[Marty]

i say "bring back Sam!" but i dont think the new face is terrible. i just think Sam did a terrific job and there was no reason to change that.

[Jokke_r]

i don't get it how the friggin noobs cry about this all the time. what the big deal it's the game that matters. you people are being really ridicolus(spl?)

[Devil Master]

As I said, I'll make a Sam Lake mod for Max Payne 2 as soon as I get it.

[Raven]

Isn't James McCaffrey MP?

[scorpion]

im pretty sure it's a guy named timothy gibbs

[Dingdong]

I would play this game even if they changed the lead character to Max Weinberg.

[Kevin's girl]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Spazer:
[QB] new face would have been fine if they started with it

but you are changing what we have already identified with, sam is max period. i hate how they are just like pfft..i dont feel like being the model so we will just spend some of the millions we made off these fans and have someone else do it. remedy obviously doesnt care much, but i understand..its business, a franchise..not a ground breaking awesome
game that could have been even more of a hit than the first max

at least we will always have max1, i think this will turn out as one of those things that are just a huge 1 time thing, followed up buy a huge mistake and the first thing is treasured forever, 2nd thing frowned upon

sorry if this sounds like a flame, but its not. just my OPINION. i know i havent played the new max but ive seen the shots, replacing the MAIN CHARACTER in a story that is so deep and in your face is just too huge a blow for me to cope with. personally i was spooging myself over even the though of mp2..now im just 'meh'

and i dont get what this constipation crap was about, never did max look like he was constipated

if sam really didnt want to goto new york to do the shots/modeling..couldnt you guys just buy the equip to do it? max 2 & (3?+) would have paid for it..plus the huge millions you made off max 1..or there has to be someplace else you can do it that is closer to you
[QUOTE]
I have to agree with you there. But maybe just maybe the new Max will grow on us. You never know we haven't even saw that much of the new game. Just some screen shots.

The game will be kickass, but we'll always dispise the new Max.

[RollingBrass]

I don't know if I find it ironic or sad that when MP first came out, most critics made negative comments about the dev team and their families/friends playing the parts of the characters. Now that they are able to hire professional actors to play the parts, other people are chastising them for that.

Damned if you do, and damned if you don't, Remedy. GO NEW MAX! \o

(Actually, I voted for the "don't really mind" option)

[asker]

This new character's name is Min Payne.

[Mad_Max]

Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
The questions seem too biased and/or callous, you should present a more objective set of questions that allows everyone to find an answer they like. Such as:
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• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The new face is much better than the old face!</font>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I didn't like the new face first, but it grew on me.</font>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Either face is fine. It's the game itself that's important.</font>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I don't really like the new face, but what can you do.</font>
• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think the new face is a terrible mistake. Bring back Sam Lake!</font>

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">
(just an example)

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'd go for the second choice. I didn't liked Max's look back when we saw the black and white sketches of Max Payne II, but after I saw the game's screenshots, I think that he even look better than in MP1. He looks a lot more serious now. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[Hudson]

Don't get me started.

[Nessus]

DevilMaster, are planning on just slapping a skin on? It looks like youre going to have to make a Max model or its gonna look like crap. and anyone who wont buy the game for this reason is dumb, thats like never eating your favorite candy bar again becasue they have a new wrapper for it.

Remedy should just officially address all the reasons for the change on their site and put this to rest once and for all. Most people seem not to have heard that a large part of the decision was that they sold the intellectual property rights and wanted to make a clean break. And that Sam travelling to NYC was impractical, its all the other PR nonsense reasons that people are latching onto and making issues with.

After hearing the real reasons I accepted the change and moved on but I was bitching too when they were just saying they wanted a diffrent look etc.

[Kevin's girl]

Originally posted by Nessus:
DevilMaster, are planning on just slapping a skin on? It looks like youre going to have to make a Max model or its gonna look like crap. and anyone who wont buy the game for this reason is dumb, thats like never eating your favorite candy bar again becasue they have a new wrapper for it.

Remedy should just officially address all the reasons for the change on their site and put this to rest once and for all. Most people seem not to have heard that a large part of the decision was that they sold the intellectual property rights and wanted to make a clean break. And that Sam travelling to NYC was impractical, its all the other PR nonsense reasons that people are latching onto and making issues with.

After hearing the real reasons I accepted the change and moved on but I was bitching too when they were just saying they wanted a diffrent look etc.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">AMEN!!!

[hemlock_0]

Originally posted by asker:
Hemlock, I'm putting your sig into mine, if that's ok with you.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That is absolutely ok. It's really nice to finally see some more people taking this stance since it's obviously an issue on many peoples' minds.

[asker]

What bothers me is that this whole mess makes the devs look like they don't care about fan feedback.

Sure, there are those saying "don't sweat it" or "the new one'll grow on you", but that's not the majority and anyone who says it is, is just plain ignoring the conversations around them.

If we were a retail corporation about to buy 20,000 copies for our outlets they'd care, but not if fans come forward. It's about the $$.

[Jokke_r]

you are just realy stupid nothing you say or do can change it anymore it's done.

you think theyll change the main model and remake all GN just becouse of some whining noobs... i don't think so. so there is no use for the argue...

[biXen]

I choose the new face is better, because although I liked Sam as Max, I think the new face fits the impression of Max better if you go by the written things about him. But I think that for some odd reason this guy may seem a bit older than he really is...

[RollingBrass]

Originally posted by asker:
What bothers me is that this whole mess makes the devs look like they don't care about fan feedback.

Sure, there are those saying "don't sweat it" or "the new one'll grow on you", but that's not the majority and anyone who says it is, is just plain ignoring the conversations around them.

If we were a retail corporation about to buy 20,000 copies for our outlets they'd care, but not if fans come forward. It's about the $$.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The actors have already been payed for, and the models have been skinned. They aren't going to change it for what you think is an overwhelming majority. From what I've seen, it's only a few out of a great many who actually refuse to buy it due to this change. I wish I could put this in nice terms, but you people are morons. Preferences are preferences, sure, but you are all just as ridiculous as that dumbass who, way back in the day, stated that he and all of his friends would illegally obtain Max Payne since it didn't have joystick support.
As I stated before, Remedy was ragged on for them including dev teamers playing the roles of characters, as well as for Sam Lake's "wincing". They change that, and they're still getting bagged on by people who are equally as clueless as the last group. They can't win, so they might as well do what they want.
As long as it still has great gameplay, who the **** cares? I'll just tell you people what Remedy told the people bitching about Sam Lake being Max Payne: It's a third person game, you will be looking at the back of his head for 75% of the game.

[ 07-13-2003, 11:23 AM: Message edited by: RollingBrass ]

[The Baskinator]

Originally posted by RollingBrass:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by asker:
What bothers me is that this whole mess makes the devs look like they don't care about fan feedback.

Sure, there are those saying "don't sweat it" or "the new one'll grow on you", but that's not the majority and anyone who says it is, is just plain ignoring the conversations around them.

If we were a retail corporation about to buy 20,000 copies for our outlets they'd care, but not if fans come forward. It's about the $$.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The actors have already been payed for, and the models have been skinned. They aren't going to change it for what you think is an overwhelming majority. From what I've seen, it's only a few out of a great many who actually refuse to buy it due to this change. I wish I could put this in nice terms, but you people are morons. Preferences are preferences, sure, but you are all just as ridiculous as that dumbass who, way back in the day, stated that he and all of his friends would illegally obtain Max Payne since it didn't have joystick support.
As I stated before, Remedy was ragged on for them including dev teamers playing the roles of characters, as well as for Sam Lake's "wincing". They change that, and they're still getting bagged on by people who are equally as clueless as the last group. They can't win, so they might as well do what they want.
As long as it still has great gameplay, who the **** cares? I'll just tell you people what Remedy told the people bitching about Sam Lake being Max Payne: It's a third person game, you will be looking at the back of his head for 75% of the game. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">This pwnage has been brought to you by the letters R and B.

[Mayur]

The poll does contains biased questions....I'm afraid I can't vote on it, yeah I like the old max,but the new one ain't bad either! Looks more tough and rugged though I am used to the old one [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

|Mayur|

[nyne]

Originally posted by RollingBrass:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by asker:
What bothers me is that this whole mess makes the devs look like they don't care about fan feedback.

Sure, there are those saying "don't sweat it" or "the new one'll grow on you", but that's not the majority and anyone who says it is, is just plain ignoring the conversations around them.

If we were a retail corporation about to buy 20,000 copies for our outlets they'd care, but not if fans come forward. It's about the $$.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The actors have already been payed for, and the models have been skinned. They aren't going to change it for what you think is an overwhelming majority. From what I've seen, it's only a few out of a great many who actually refuse to buy it due to this change. I wish I could put this in nice terms, but you people are morons. Preferences are preferences, sure, but you are all just as ridiculous as that dumbass who, way back in the day, stated that he and all of his friends would illegally obtain Max Payne since it didn't have joystick support.
As I stated before, Remedy was ragged on for them including dev teamers playing the roles of characters, as well as for Sam Lake's "wincing". They change that, and they're still getting bagged on by people who are equally as clueless as the last group. They can't win, so they might as well do what they want.
As long as it still has great gameplay, who the **** cares? I'll just tell you people what Remedy told the people bitching about Sam Lake being Max Payne: It's a third person game, you will be looking at the back of his head for 75% of the game. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">RollingBrass. I love you.

That's all I have to say in this matter.

[Mongorian]

/me agrees

[Reaper978]

There is absolutely no resemblance at all between mp1 and 2. I think its pretty gay. I probably wont buy this game anyway, no not because he has a different face [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[biXen]

Now that gay is brought into the conversation, the maturity level is so low that we might as well mention Hitler and get the topic locked [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

Couldn't have said it better than RB myself... my feeble attempts failed, hehe

[j]

Bye-bye topic o/~

[img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

[hemlock_0]

Originally posted by RollingBrass:
I wish I could put this in nice terms, but you people are morons.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And that is exactly the kind of comment that makes this difficult in the first place. Asker has an opinion, and that doesn't make him (or any of us) a moron. Yeah, the new Max is cool. No, he's not the Max we're used to. Taking either side is fine.

Originally posted by RollingBrass:
As long as it still has great gameplay, who the **** cares?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Obviously several people do. This is not a gameplay issue in the first place. You think gameplay is more important that the face, and so do I, but that doesn't mean the face doesn't matter.

Why does a complaint about the face have to draw so much retaliation? If the guy feels that badly about the face issue, let him. I'm just as upset about the new face, but I'm still going to be buying the game. Boycotting the game is extreme, and I believe that a true fan must be both affected by the face change and determined to play the game anyway. At the end of the day, it's still going to be an awesome game, even if it will take a while to get all the answers we want.

[ 07-13-2003, 08:06 PM: Message edited by: hemlock_0 ]

[Spazer]

you wont be looking at the back of his head 99 percent of the time. cuttscenes, those chapter/comic book things like in max 1, ect.

it will be like some weird guy you dont know replacing your dad, and having to live with him and get to know em all over again

im simply just trying to help raise our voices enough just in case it ISNT TOO LATE to change back, but if it is definately too late..then its aight, no huge problem. i just wish they didnt make that stupid decision in the first place

remedy should come out and TRUTHFULLY say if its DEFINATELY too late or not to go back, so we can stoofoo [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[asker]

It IS too late to change it, but that doesn't mean we have to accept the change. Tolerate it, perhaps we must, but there are those of us who will NEVER accept it.

[Spazer]

link? or what was the reason?

[ 07-13-2003, 10:47 PM: Message edited by: Spazer ]