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DOSGuy · 12-15-2006, 08:17 PM

Count me in. I edit wiki entries (either my own or Wikipedia's) almost every day.

ZaphodB · 12-16-2006, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DOSGuy

Count me in. I edit wiki entries (either my own or Wikipedia's) almost every day.

Oh you so "White and Nerdy"

Actually that's pretty awesome

steauengeglase · 02-01-2007, 12:59 AM

Hrm, I'd limit editing to forum members (considering that covers the fans, 3DR staff and leaves it open to anyone who would like to join) it would make policing it a lot easier. Then I'd parse out any changes in a copy of the change/administration log removing anything sensitive so that you just have a list of "wiki members" and the nefarious changes they make. In the end it would only take like 2 new tables, a couple of stored procedures and a couple of pages to display the new data. It would be a little work but it would add a heap of transparency.

Just an idea, probably a bad one.

Joe Siegler · 02-22-2007, 10:26 AM

I'm going to get moving on this shortly. Need to finish up a small project I'm working on here before I get started on this. I really would like to get it going, I just have to find the time to get it all sorted out.

Altered Reality · 02-22-2007, 12:12 PM

Would it be possible to open to the public the Prey wiki too? That way, people could write there their own Prey editing tutorials. IMHO, the result would be much neater than a simple non-topped tutorial list topic.

Joe Siegler · 02-22-2007, 01:59 PM

That will be part of the public one, people could do that on the public Wiki.

The one that's there now is/was meant to be "official info".

Hudson · 02-22-2007, 08:11 PM

I'll help out, count me in

Retodon8 · 03-01-2007, 04:28 AM

Glad to hear this will become a reality, especially since this won't be as strict as Wikipedia, like Joe said earlier.
Although I understand why Wikipedia does that, for a 3DR Wiki about games different rules should apply, since its goals will be different.
Actually of course I don't know what its goals and rules will be exactly, but I have my opinion.

I'd love to see more behind the scenes info, little known facts, Easter eggs, allusions, whatever, lots of stuff that isn't considered encyclopedic on Wikipedia, but still nice to find out about.

Joe Siegler · 10-04-2007, 10:36 AM

Been thinking of reviving this idea.

The primary reason it hasn't happened is vandalism. I'm not sure if we have enough people who would be willing to make sure things aren't vandalized.

I'd probably also need a clear list of no-nos for the site. Things like links to download registered versions that aren't freeware, that kind of stuff. Any further thoughts?

Altered Reality · 10-04-2007, 10:57 AM

I already said it and I'll say it again: I'd love an Apogee/3DRealms wiki.

About vandalism, there's something I was wondering about. Would it be possible to ban the IP of whoever makes a change which is blatant vandalism (e.g. blanking a page, posting warez links, writing asinine stuff like "OMFG DNF IS NEVAR COMING OUT LOL"), so no more modifications will ever be accepted from that IP?

Nacho · 10-04-2007, 12:44 PM

A verification system could be put in place where any changes must be verified. The only thing is wiki's are updated constantly so verifying that many requests would take a team that is constantly active.

So far that is the only IDEAL way to prevent vandalism that I can think of unless banning IP's is something that is possible but even then...eh... still needs constant care.

dan2091 · 10-04-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Retodon8

Glad to hear this will become a reality, especially since this won't be as strict as Wikipedia, like Joe said earlier.
Although I understand why Wikipedia does that, for a 3DR Wiki about games different rules should apply, since its goals will be different.
Actually of course I don't know what its goals and rules will be exactly, but I have my opinion.

I'd love to see more behind the scenes info, little known facts, Easter eggs, allusions, whatever, lots of stuff that isn't considered encyclopedic on Wikipedia, but still nice to find out about.

You know, I started the idea and section at wikipedia about 3D Realms/Apogee cancelled games. I'm always by the nick dan2091, but by the time I create that section I wasn't a member, but if they have the IP or something as a prove you'll see I'm not lying.
Yes, I'd like a official Wiki about 3D Realms/Apogee because there are many things I don't know and many people either.

Joe Siegler · 10-04-2007, 04:46 PM

Well, as I've said before, I've ceased editing Wikipedia about our stuff. I would like to think the fact that I've worked here for 15 years affords me some latitude in regards to "Hey, he probably knows something". My point is that 12 year old snot rags would erase my edits claiming "you're wrong". Uh - no I'm not. After too many times of that, I got burnt out and gave up.

As for "many things I don't know and many people either"...

Have you read the Apogee FAQ? I mean honestly - all of it? I bet you there's a ton of stuff there.

Scotty · 10-04-2007, 05:32 PM

Would keeping pages protected/semi-protected on the 3DR Wiki work?

Anyone could join and add to the talk pages, but making actual changes could be restricted to ppl with a track record of not trolling/vandalizing/etc. Over time, there should be a good pool of such ppl.

The problem would be if the 3DR Wiki becomes a wanker magnet: You probably already have to deal with lots of wankers trying to get through the forums registration queue just so they can post "DNF = Did Not Finish - roofles

", ad nauseam. A 3DR Wiki could double the volume of wankers you have to deal with.

That sucks about what happened to your edits on Wikipedia, though. I guess it's like that saying you've posted before about the average stupid person. It seems like Wikipedia has more than its share of the stupider half...

DOSGuy · 10-05-2007, 06:06 AM

Joe, Wikipedia frowns on "original research". I think if you could provide a link to some other website to cite in your edits, such as 3drealms.com, you wouldn't have that problem. I don't know what it was that you were trying to add, but I wish it was on there.

Joe Siegler · 10-05-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DOSGuy

Joe, Wikipedia frowns on "original research". I think if you could provide a link to some other website to cite in your edits, such as 3drealms.com, you wouldn't have that problem. I don't know what it was that you were trying to add, but I wish it was on there.

The fact that I've been here for 15 years should be enough for the validation theory. If that's not enough for them - then their loss.

Wikipedia is quickly becoming annoying as almost everything I read has a stupid tag bar at the top about "Validation needed" or "Trivia sections are discouraged". Plus when most of the edits I make are removed, their "anyone can edit" mantra is really a lie.

Altered Reality · 10-06-2007, 01:26 AM

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The fact that I've been here for 15 years should be enough for the validation theory. If that's not enough for them - then their loss.

That's when strict application of the rules is detrimental.
Luckily, your position gives you a simple way to circumvent the obstacle. Just post the fact somewhere else, then have someone else edit Wikipedia, linking to your post for reference.

DOSGuy · 10-06-2007, 06:18 AM

That's essentially what I was saying. I don't know the specifics of your situation, but anyone can claim to be Joe Siegler, or otherwise be a person who has special, non-verifiable information. If it appeared on a page on 3drealms.com somewhere, you or anyone else could cite it as proof to shut up any naysayers. One of the founders of Wikipedia broke off to form his own wiki that was designed to be edited by experts, stating that one of the problems with Wikipedia is that everyone is equal. Your perspective is that you have inside information from having worked at Apogee/3D Realms, and other editors are presumably saying "prove it". I think it makes sense to require citation, since even a verified expert could lie about events that they were party to. Even facts stated by experts should still be fact checked.

Anyway, I don't want to get into a thing here. I think that if you want to have your own wiki, you just need to have trustworthy people adding important pages to their watch list, or patrolling new edits, to undo any vandalism that occurs. A good wiki should be self-policing.

dan2091 · 10-08-2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

As for "many things I don't know and many people either"...

Have you read the Apogee FAQ? I mean honestly - all of it? I bet you there's a ton of stuff there.

Yeah I know about and have read something, I need to read more, thanks

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Wikipedia is quickly becoming annoying as almost everything I read has a stupid tag bar at the top about "Validation needed" or "Trivia sections are discouraged". Plus when most of the edits I make are removed, their "anyone can edit" mantra is really a lie.

I wrote two articles. One of Duke Nukem Forever scrolling game and 'Duke Nukem 5' to call it that way. I cited some decalartions done here at 3DRealms.com on some news archives, but they erase both

. Probably both articles could have been put on the DNF main article, but it's ok, talking about DN5 isn't that relevant right now.. But about DNF scrolling game, I though it wasn't that irrelevant.

Also, about the faq, there's really meaningful information that can be used on a Wiki, we only need to translate the worlds on a wiki with some pics to make more graphical and that could be nice. When the article is perfect just lock the editing option and put in on discussion, people will discuss here.. in a good way.

Morry · 10-08-2007, 05:15 PM

I've been researching the Max Payne universe recently, so I have heaps of detailed info stored in my head, ready to explode on a suitable wiki.

My method for vandalism would be to have the wiki connected to these forums, so you have to be a member to edit Wiki info. I would assume that most people willing to update the Wiki would already have participated on these forums at some point, so make a posting level that have to obtain in order to edit the Wiki.
Additionally, is there a way to make certain high level users to have content that cannot be altered. For example, anything a 3DR employee posts is "gold".

peoplessi · 10-08-2007, 05:37 PM

Wouldn't work, only 3D Realms which is which. Closed wiki with restricted access could work if there is enough info shared on 3D Realms side. Also, first thing would be to decide the boundaries the wiki would cover.

BUT then again reflecting on the recent posts what value would a fan driven wiki have - zero. Nothing is solid, we don't know nothing, that would make it pretty pointless. Especially DNF section, what facts could that have that aren't found on wikipedia.org article.

Kcowolf · 10-09-2007, 09:15 AM

I didn't see anyone else bring this up, but if someone did, I apologize. Is there any Wiki software that allows you to show visitors a "moderator-verified" article by default, and then the user can choose to view the latest changes which may not be verified? It might be a bit cumbersome, but it also might be an easier way to handle vandalism.

wolup · 04-01-2008, 12:15 AM

lol, out of my last 1000 google searches, at least 25 have been for an apogee or 3drealms wiki. GREAT IDEA!!!!!!!

Phayzon · 04-02-2008, 08:25 PM

Oh wow I completely forgot about this. Has anything been started yet (or confirmed to someday be started, rather) Joe?

peoplessi · 04-02-2008, 08:46 PM

It would be great to gather all stuff that people know for the older games, and leave DNF out for now, and only allow 3D Realms to edit that particular article. It would be great, so I take bit back what I've said before, but DNF remains as is.

Nacho · 04-02-2008, 10:18 PM

The main problem with a wiki is vandalism. Wiki has very little ways to prevent vandalism, the main one I would like would be some kind of verification feature for articles but so far, I can't seem to find any form of it.

Qbix · 04-03-2008, 01:28 AM

maybe we can join our efforts.
The wiki I setup for dosbox suffers from it as well on daily basis.

I have seen wiki's with captcha images. I personally don't like those. I prefer those sumlike things, but currently any good working one would be nice.

Retodon8 · 04-03-2008, 08:47 AM

I'm sure real fans wouldn't mind registering an account, and wouldn't that help a lot already?
(No experience with the behind-the-scenes side of wikis.)
That and some kind of Turing test.

I somewhat agree with Qbix's view on CAPTCHAs.
I've registered at forums (I think) where I needed 3 different CAPTCHAs to get it right, 90% sure I got them all right 10% doubt about case sensitivity and i/1, O/0, stuff like that.
Maybe instead of adding some numbers the test could ask bits of 3DR trivia... although I suppose that could be more trouble than it's worth, manually adding enough different questions to have it actually work.

In my experience people who try to grief, break stuff, act like vandalize, etc., are lazy, so I expect a few little hurdles to already stop the majority of "Duke Nukem ForNever LOLOLOL" people.
Again, I don't actually know the facts/numbers.

Nacho · 04-03-2008, 09:48 AM

Currently, the safest way to protect a wiki that I know of is to make it so users MUST register to make edits. There is also a blacklisting feature that can block IP's so it basically is like banning them.

In case of vandalism there is a nice rollback feature that will rollback edits to before the vandalism occurred.

Plus, all Admins and Mods (they have different names in the wikiverse) get e-mails - If they choose to - of any edits made, showing the old version and the new edit side by side so you can check the edits, though they are already active so it isn't "verifying".

So, Wiki's can be pretty safe, but, I don't know if all this would be enough given the sensitive nature of some of the topics of a 3DR wiki (DNF).

Joe Siegler · 04-03-2008, 11:08 AM

Believe me. I've been over the Wiki concept for some time, the vandalism potential, even with safeguards is massive. I might do it, but disallow DNF talk. I don't know. There's moments where I'm ready to do it, but then I think of the abuse again and get cold feet.

peoplessi · 04-03-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Believe me. I've been over the Wiki concept for some time, the vandalism potential, even with safeguards is massive. I might do it, but disallow DNF talk. I don't know. There's moments where I'm ready to do it, but then I think of the abuse again and get cold feet.

If the accounts for editing are checked by hand, beforehand, that would greatly reduce the possibility for vandalism. Also, just keeping it focused on the released titles would be great.

Joe Siegler · 04-03-2008, 01:11 PM

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Also, just keeping it focused on the released titles would be great.

Hmm.. That might be the angle I need. Let me think about it.

Hudson · 04-03-2008, 02:45 PM

I take it there's no way to set up a wiki for "approval" of edits, is there?

It would help prevent the inevitable DNF hate flood.

Qbix · 04-03-2008, 02:52 PM

with usergroups it might be possible.

Joe Siegler · 04-03-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hudson

I take it there's no way to set up a wiki for "approval" of edits, is there?

It would help prevent the inevitable DNF hate flood.

To be honest, I looked into it awhile back, but don't recall. I intend on using MediaWiki assuming I do this. It's the same stuff Wikipedia uses, so if someone wants to look into it, that'd be appreciated.

I don't have the time for that at the moment - working on something else which is taking my time.

evanazzo · 04-03-2008, 03:46 PM

Maybe us 3DR fans could pop in every once in a while and remove the vandalism (providing there is any) ourselves. I think that Wiki usually bans IP's from editing stuff if the IP has been reported for vandalism.

Nacho · 04-03-2008, 04:25 PM

MediaWiki has no way to approve edits, since that isn't what it was designed for which is actually the problem. Wiki is the best way to make something like this yet at the same time it was not built with any approving methods.

There is a way to approve editors, making a certain user group capable of making edits, meaning we would have a screening process and than if you are deemed "Trustworthy" you could than go make edits to the wiki. If you vandalize it in any way than you could be blacklisted meaning you or any account you TRY to make using your IP address is blocked from making edits.

Hudson · 04-03-2008, 06:11 PM

Hey some way of screening and blacklisting is better than none!

Joe Siegler · 04-03-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hudson

Hey some way of screening and blacklisting is better than none!

That will happen no matter what I do, but I need to make sure it's minimized.

Hudson · 04-03-2008, 07:49 PM

Well, if you were looking for a merry band of militia for edit screening you've now found your answer of when that DNF cult would come in handy

02-22-2007, 10:26 AM	#84
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki I'm going to get moving on this shortly. Need to finish up a small project I'm working on here before I get started on this. I really would like to get it going, I just have to find the time to get it all sorted out. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

02-22-2007, 01:59 PM	#86
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki That will be part of the public one, people could do that on the public Wiki. The one that's there now is/was meant to be "official info". __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

10-04-2007, 10:36 AM	#89
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki Been thinking of reviving this idea. The primary reason it hasn't happened is vandalism. I'm not sure if we have enough people who would be willing to make sure things aren't vandalized. I'd probably also need a clear list of no-nos for the site. Things like links to download registered versions that aren't freeware, that kind of stuff. Any further thoughts? __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

10-04-2007, 04:46 PM	#93
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki Well, as I've said before, I've ceased editing Wikipedia about our stuff. I would like to think the fact that I've worked here for 15 years affords me some latitude in regards to "Hey, he probably knows something". My point is that 12 year old snot rags would erase my edits claiming "you're wrong". Uh - no I'm not. After too many times of that, I got burnt out and gave up. As for "many things I don't know and many people either"... Have you read the Apogee FAQ? I mean honestly - all of it? I bet you there's a ton of stuff there. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

04-03-2008, 01:28 AM	#107
Qbix DOSBox Advisor	Re: Wiki maybe we can join our efforts. The wiki I setup for dosbox suffers from it as well on daily basis. I have seen wiki's with captcha images. I personally don't like those. I prefer those sumlike things, but currently any good working one would be nice.

12-15-2006, 08:17 PM	#81
DOSGuy	Re: Wiki Count me in. I edit wiki entries (either my own or Wikipedia's) almost every day. __________________ "Today entirely the maniac there is no excuse with the article." Get free DOS games at www.classicdosgames.com

02-01-2007, 12:59 AM	#83
steauengeglase	Re: Wiki Hrm, I'd limit editing to forum members (considering that covers the fans, 3DR staff and leaves it open to anyone who would like to join) it would make policing it a lot easier. Then I'd parse out any changes in a copy of the change/administration log removing anything sensitive so that you just have a list of "wiki members" and the nefarious changes they make. In the end it would only take like 2 new tables, a couple of stored procedures and a couple of pages to display the new data. It would be a little work but it would add a heap of transparency. Just an idea, probably a bad one.

02-22-2007, 12:12 PM	#85
Altered Reality	Re: Wiki Would it be possible to open to the public the Prey wiki too? That way, people could write there their own Prey editing tutorials. IMHO, the result would be much neater than a simple non-topped tutorial list topic. __________________ [...] We view customers as complete morons that will never catch on and [...] we're lying to them all the time. (Gabe Newell, Valve) I'm the worst enemy in film-making and a completely talentless idiot. (Uwe Boll) Faith is why you are wrong. (Crosma)

02-22-2007, 08:11 PM	#87
Hudson	Re: Wiki I'll help out, count me in __________________ Staying Frosty Since 09/06/07 - I love you Katie <3 “Software is like sex; it's better when it's free.” - Linus Torvalds “Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.” - Calvin & Hobbes [INSERT SYSTEM SPECS THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT HERE]

03-01-2007, 04:28 AM	#88
Retodon8	Re: Wiki Glad to hear this will become a reality, especially since this won't be as strict as Wikipedia, like Joe said earlier. Although I understand why Wikipedia does that, for a 3DR Wiki about games different rules should apply, since its goals will be different. Actually of course I don't know what its goals and rules will be exactly, but I have my opinion. I'd love to see more behind the scenes info, little known facts, Easter eggs, allusions, whatever, lots of stuff that isn't considered encyclopedic on Wikipedia, but still nice to find out about. __________________ Retodon8 Sheep happens!

10-04-2007, 10:57 AM	#90
Altered Reality	Re: Wiki I already said it and I'll say it again: I'd love an Apogee/3DRealms wiki. About vandalism, there's something I was wondering about. Would it be possible to ban the IP of whoever makes a change which is blatant vandalism (e.g. blanking a page, posting warez links, writing asinine stuff like "OMFG DNF IS NEVAR COMING OUT LOL"), so no more modifications will ever be accepted from that IP? __________________ [...] We view customers as complete morons that will never catch on and [...] we're lying to them all the time. (Gabe Newell, Valve) I'm the worst enemy in film-making and a completely talentless idiot. (Uwe Boll) Faith is why you are wrong. (Crosma)

10-04-2007, 12:44 PM	#91
Nacho	Re: Wiki A verification system could be put in place where any changes must be verified. The only thing is wiki's are updated constantly so verifying that many requests would take a team that is constantly active. So far that is the only IDEAL way to prevent vandalism that I can think of unless banning IP's is something that is possible but even then...eh... still needs constant care.

10-04-2007, 05:32 PM	#94
Scotty	Re: Wiki Would keeping pages protected/semi-protected on the 3DR Wiki work? Anyone could join and add to the talk pages, but making actual changes could be restricted to ppl with a track record of not trolling/vandalizing/etc. Over time, there should be a good pool of such ppl. The problem would be if the 3DR Wiki becomes a wanker magnet: You probably already have to deal with lots of wankers trying to get through the forums registration queue just so they can post "DNF = Did Not Finish - roofles ", ad nauseam. A 3DR Wiki could double the volume of wankers you have to deal with. That sucks about what happened to your edits on Wikipedia, though. I guess it's like that saying you've posted before about the average stupid person. It seems like Wikipedia has more than its share of the stupider half...

10-05-2007, 06:06 AM	#95
DOSGuy	Re: Wiki Joe, Wikipedia frowns on "original research". I think if you could provide a link to some other website to cite in your edits, such as 3drealms.com, you wouldn't have that problem. I don't know what it was that you were trying to add, but I wish it was on there. __________________ "Today entirely the maniac there is no excuse with the article." Get free DOS games at www.classicdosgames.com

10-06-2007, 06:18 AM	#98
DOSGuy	Re: Wiki That's essentially what I was saying. I don't know the specifics of your situation, but anyone can claim to be Joe Siegler, or otherwise be a person who has special, non-verifiable information. If it appeared on a page on 3drealms.com somewhere, you or anyone else could cite it as proof to shut up any naysayers. One of the founders of Wikipedia broke off to form his own wiki that was designed to be edited by experts, stating that one of the problems with Wikipedia is that everyone is equal. Your perspective is that you have inside information from having worked at Apogee/3D Realms, and other editors are presumably saying "prove it". I think it makes sense to require citation, since even a verified expert could lie about events that they were party to. Even facts stated by experts should still be fact checked. Anyway, I don't want to get into a thing here. I think that if you want to have your own wiki, you just need to have trustworthy people adding important pages to their watch list, or patrolling new edits, to undo any vandalism that occurs. A good wiki should be self-policing. __________________ "Today entirely the maniac there is no excuse with the article." Get free DOS games at www.classicdosgames.com

10-08-2007, 05:15 PM	#100
Morry	Re: Wiki I've been researching the Max Payne universe recently, so I have heaps of detailed info stored in my head, ready to explode on a suitable wiki. My method for vandalism would be to have the wiki connected to these forums, so you have to be a member to edit Wiki info. I would assume that most people willing to update the Wiki would already have participated on these forums at some point, so make a posting level that have to obtain in order to edit the Wiki. Additionally, is there a way to make certain high level users to have content that cannot be altered. For example, anything a 3DR employee posts is "gold".

10-08-2007, 05:37 PM	#101
peoplessi	Re: Wiki Wouldn't work, only 3D Realms which is which. Closed wiki with restricted access could work if there is enough info shared on 3D Realms side. Also, first thing would be to decide the boundaries the wiki would cover. BUT then again reflecting on the recent posts what value would a fan driven wiki have - zero. Nothing is solid, we don't know nothing, that would make it pretty pointless. Especially DNF section, what facts could that have that aren't found on wikipedia.org article. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever Who am I to judge?

10-09-2007, 09:15 AM	#102
Kcowolf	Re: Wiki I didn't see anyone else bring this up, but if someone did, I apologize. Is there any Wiki software that allows you to show visitors a "moderator-verified" article by default, and then the user can choose to view the latest changes which may not be verified? It might be a bit cumbersome, but it also might be an easier way to handle vandalism.

04-01-2008, 12:15 AM	#103
wolup	Re: Wiki lol, out of my last 1000 google searches, at least 25 have been for an apogee or 3drealms wiki. GREAT IDEA!!!!!!! __________________ I'm From World 5-2, Where Are You From?

04-02-2008, 08:25 PM	#104
Phayzon	Re: Wiki Oh wow I completely forgot about this. Has anything been started yet (or confirmed to someday be started, rather) Joe? __________________ I made the first post on the VB! "So I guess the news here is that not only is Australia the last to get anything new in regard to videogames, they're also the first to get them taken away." - LeadBullet "We're part-time internet superheros." - Hudson

04-02-2008, 08:46 PM	#105
peoplessi	Re: Wiki It would be great to gather all stuff that people know for the older games, and leave DNF out for now, and only allow 3D Realms to edit that particular article. It would be great, so I take bit back what I've said before, but DNF remains as is. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever Who am I to judge?

04-02-2008, 10:18 PM	#106
Nacho	Re: Wiki The main problem with a wiki is vandalism. Wiki has very little ways to prevent vandalism, the main one I would like would be some kind of verification feature for articles but so far, I can't seem to find any form of it.

04-03-2008, 08:47 AM	#108
Retodon8	Re: Wiki I'm sure real fans wouldn't mind registering an account, and wouldn't that help a lot already? (No experience with the behind-the-scenes side of wikis.) That and some kind of Turing test. I somewhat agree with Qbix's view on CAPTCHAs. I've registered at forums (I think) where I needed 3 different CAPTCHAs to get it right, 90% sure I got them all right 10% doubt about case sensitivity and i/1, O/0, stuff like that. Maybe instead of adding some numbers the test could ask bits of 3DR trivia... although I suppose that could be more trouble than it's worth, manually adding enough different questions to have it actually work. In my experience people who try to grief, break stuff, act like vandalize, etc., are lazy, so I expect a few little hurdles to already stop the majority of "Duke Nukem ForNever LOLOLOL" people. Again, I don't actually know the facts/numbers. __________________ Retodon8 Sheep happens!

04-03-2008, 09:48 AM	#109
Nacho	Re: Wiki Currently, the safest way to protect a wiki that I know of is to make it so users MUST register to make edits. There is also a blacklisting feature that can block IP's so it basically is like banning them. In case of vandalism there is a nice rollback feature that will rollback edits to before the vandalism occurred. Plus, all Admins and Mods (they have different names in the wikiverse) get e-mails - If they choose to - of any edits made, showing the old version and the new edit side by side so you can check the edits, though they are already active so it isn't "verifying". So, Wiki's can be pretty safe, but, I don't know if all this would be enough given the sensitive nature of some of the topics of a 3DR wiki (DNF).

04-03-2008, 11:08 AM	#110
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: Wiki Believe me. I've been over the Wiki concept for some time, the vandalism potential, even with safeguards is massive. I might do it, but disallow DNF talk. I don't know. There's moments where I'm ready to do it, but then I think of the abuse again and get cold feet. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

04-03-2008, 02:45 PM	#113
Hudson	Re: Wiki I take it there's no way to set up a wiki for "approval" of edits, is there? It would help prevent the inevitable DNF hate flood. __________________ Staying Frosty Since 09/06/07 - I love you Katie <3 “Software is like sex; it's better when it's free.” - Linus Torvalds “Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.” - Calvin & Hobbes [INSERT SYSTEM SPECS THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT HERE]

04-03-2008, 02:52 PM	#114
Qbix DOSBox Advisor	Re: Wiki with usergroups it might be possible.

04-03-2008, 03:46 PM	#116
evanazzo	Re: Wiki Maybe us 3DR fans could pop in every once in a while and remove the vandalism (providing there is any) ourselves. I think that Wiki usually bans IP's from editing stuff if the IP has been reported for vandalism.

04-03-2008, 04:25 PM	#117
Nacho	Re: Wiki MediaWiki has no way to approve edits, since that isn't what it was designed for which is actually the problem. Wiki is the best way to make something like this yet at the same time it was not built with any approving methods. There is a way to approve editors, making a certain user group capable of making edits, meaning we would have a screening process and than if you are deemed "Trustworthy" you could than go make edits to the wiki. If you vandalize it in any way than you could be blacklisted meaning you or any account you TRY to make using your IP address is blocked from making edits.

04-03-2008, 06:11 PM	#118
Hudson	Re: Wiki Hey some way of screening and blacklisting is better than none! __________________ Staying Frosty Since 09/06/07 - I love you Katie <3 “Software is like sex; it's better when it's free.” - Linus Torvalds “Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.” - Calvin & Hobbes [INSERT SYSTEM SPECS THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT HERE]

04-03-2008, 07:49 PM	#120
Hudson	Re: Wiki Well, if you were looking for a merry band of militia for edit screening you've now found your answer of when that DNF cult would come in handy __________________ Staying Frosty Since 09/06/07 - I love you Katie <3 “Software is like sex; it's better when it's free.” - Linus Torvalds “Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.” - Calvin & Hobbes [INSERT SYSTEM SPECS THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT HERE]