Enough

Stillbettingonduke · 05-19-2009, 08:29 AM

12 years... 12 years guys. We have all been waiting too long for DNF. Not so much as an official word on the issue (outside of the lawsuit) has been issued in 12 years other than some screen shots, short gameplay vids, and the oh so generous release date of "when it's done". Now, I understand that from a development team who is looking to create "the perfect game" how this might be considered as an acceptable way to keep the press, publishers, and fans at bay. Hell, you are self funded so who cares right? Personally I could care less about the media or what you're publishers expect from you as a game company. What about the people who support these games and consider them to be part of their lives? THE FANS... Let's face it 3dRealms, without us, you wouldn't even be in production today (still amazes me). Let's be clear before I go any further. I'm not looking for a release date, platform anouncements, or game specifics (even though we pretty much have the story line laid out for us). No. I just want to know if we'll see it. The game that your fans have been waiting for since it's announcement in 1997, will we see it? I don't know about the rest of you, but when I saw the recently released footage of the game, I was stunned. Not because of the graphics, or the physics, or any of that filler B.S. the industry has been cramming down our gullets as "this makes a good game". I was thrilled to see a game that was DIFFERENT from anything else on the market. Duke may not be the most up-to-date franchise, but are you telling me this game wouldn't sell like 10 cent funnel cakes? I for one, am tired of playing the role of a space marine shooting lasers at swarms of aliens that MAYBE have 5 different enemy models. SOMEONE from 3dRealms still reads these things, and I think it's about time you let us know. We have been patiently waiting. WILL WE PLAY THIS GAME?!?!?!

05-19-2009, 08:46 AM

NO! Duke Nukem Forever is DEAD!!!

And if think the answer is 'YES'... then I'd research the first sign of death....

It's DENIAL!!!

That Guy · 05-19-2009, 08:53 AM

Frankly the fan support and tolerance seen here is refreshing. I do hope that Scott, George and the employees appreciate it as much. The one huge question I have, given the over-and-above fan support, is this:

Where's George? The fans have voiced their support and he has not responded at all. Throughout all of this turmoil, all the rumors, all the disinformation, his silence has perhaps said more than anything.

Some have said that he can't say anything because of pending litigation, but I don't buy that. He might have to choose his words carefully, but he could certainly say something as simple as "Don't worry. We're going through some changes but we are still here."

But that hasn't happened. In fact, the only person talking is Scott and much of what he says seems vague and non at all specific.

Again... Where is George?

ShXIII · 05-19-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

Again... Where is George?

Leaving us in the dark as usual

prophecy holder · 05-19-2009, 09:35 AM

Enough is enough, T had it with these mother ******* snakes on this mother ******* plane.....Translated to DNF fiasco:

"Enough is enough, I had with these mother ******* delays for this mother ******* game"

Needle · 05-19-2009, 09:35 AM

I'm angry at video games!

Psyrgery · 05-19-2009, 09:36 AM

Jesus Christ why did I come into this thread?

X-Vector · 05-19-2009, 09:37 AM

Because you couldn't look away.

prophecy holder · 05-19-2009, 09:59 AM

I guess when most of you log onto the net they lose thier sense of humour and can't tell what is a joke and what isn't.

I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of funding. That should be a new line in a game during a casino part for a little self joke.

Altered Reality · 05-19-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ShXIII

Leaving us in the dark as usual

Rather, playing WOW and not giving a shit about getting DNF done, as usual.

TonyPessimist · 05-19-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Stillbettingonduke

What about the people who support these games and consider them to be part of their lives? THE FANS...

Here's your answer:

"Thanks for being fans and for all your support."

http://www.3drealms.com/

prophecy holder · 05-19-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Altered Reality

Rather, playing WOW and not giving a shit about getting DNF done, as usual.

Wow is currently down, bet George is pissed.

RuskiSnajper. · 05-19-2009, 12:02 PM

Clearly 3DR is still open I don't know why aren't they answering , they were online , and why the news page still says goodbye?

It will just need a bit longer to finish dnf , shit happens. .. eventually well see it 2,3 months?

NetDisruptor · 05-19-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Altered Reality

Rather, playing WOW and not giving a shit about getting DNF done, as usual.

I think we all need to take George's lead here and forget this damn game and go play WoW.

Caine · 05-19-2009, 12:38 PM

oh wow, for some thanks i can live better..... lol really...

That Guy · 05-19-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RuskiSnajper.

Clearly 3DR is still open I don't know why aren't they answering , they were online , and why the news page still says goodbye?

It will just need a bit longer to finish dnf , shit happens. .. eventually well see it 2,3 months?

Umm how exactly? They have no funding, they have no development team. How do you expect them to finish the game? They had 20+ people working on it for 12 years and didn't finish. How do you expect them to finish with zero people working on it?

Divine intervention perhaps? Let's be realistic people. Unless something changes (funding acquired, dev team hired) the game isn't going to be finished anytime soon.

themaniacboy · 05-19-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RuskiSnajper.

Clearly 3DR is still open I don't know why aren't they answering , they were online , and why the news page still says goodbye?

It will just need a bit longer to finish dnf , shit happens. .. eventually well see it 2,3 months?

OOW i bet a year, wouldn't count on it, after the big shock 3DR was closing and a week confirming they were just firing staff, that clears almost everything up, but thank god 3DR isn't dead !

I have still hope in DNF, a little, i bet it comes !

Needle · 05-19-2009, 12:59 PM

Thinking about... do we know if everyone was fired?

NetDisruptor · 05-19-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by themaniacboy

OOW i bet a year, wouldn't count on it, after the big shock 3DR was closing and a week confirming they were just firing staff, that clears almost everything up, but thank god 3DR isn't dead !

I have still hope in DNF, a little, i bet it comes !

I wish my dog was a loyal as some of you guys.
After all this and the years and years of nothing you have Hope?
I'm only left with contempt...

Ramen4ever · 05-19-2009, 01:13 PM

No one forced you to wait. Period.

Needle · 05-19-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NetDisruptor

I wish my dog was a loyal as some of you guys.
After all this and the years and years of nothing you have Hope?
I'm only left with contempt...

That's nothing. I'm still hoping for Elite 4.

RJK · 05-19-2009, 01:23 PM

No one forced... but why we still waiting?

EvilJeff · 05-19-2009, 01:24 PM

I think the lack of information from the 3D Realms founders at this points drives home the point that they really don't care about the community, only the money it brings to the table. I feel some sympathy for those who have waited for 12 years for this game, I myself rarely regarded it with anything more than bemusement as the running gag of the gaming industry, but honestly, the gaming world is so chock full of quality gaming (amid the sea of crap, I'll admit), you'd do yourself a huge favor by just enjoying all the other quality games out there, and forgetting about Duke Nukem Forever. By the 4th year or so of "Duke Nukem Forever" magazine previews, I had lost interest. I can understand being loyal to a franchise, but you have to look at things objectively - they had 12 years to create the game, with very little to show for it, then they fire their core staff, and are undergoing legal proceedings against them by Take-Two, I wouldn't count on DNF appearing for at least a few years, and by then it will be far eclipsed by the sea of FPSs out there.

NetDisruptor · 05-19-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramen4ever

No one forced you to wait. Period.

ummm, yes they did. Exclamation point.

gungriffon geona · 05-19-2009, 01:39 PM

This thread would be better if it were a bunch of cats screeching at each other. 0/10 never try again.

Needle · 05-19-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RJK

No one forced... but why we still waiting?

We're not waiting. Right now, we're gawking. It's like watching a horrible accident.

RJK · 05-19-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilJeff

I think the lack of information from the 3D Realms founders at this points drives home the point that they really don't care about the community, only the money it brings to the table.

At first, sorry about my English.

As i know, only completed and well-traded product can bring money.
Some product 3D Realms still have, i guess - DNF, and unannounced game.

Maybe there appeared hard choice - if DNF simple be a good game, not genius, but good, then this project cannot bring some profit, because DNF already take too much money - 20 mln only for 3D Realms, even without T2 publisher problems. Even good sales cannot return such money value.

And this like dead end: for properly result for 3D Realms, DNF must be masterpiece game (for ability sell IP in future), maybe for that they want much more time and money, but no one want give, because there no benefit, between 20 mln from 3DR and 12.5 mln T2 game sales must bring over 32.5 mln...

Edit: /as i understand, in most cases main money receive publisher, so T2 be in another conditions than 3D Realms: T2 = money+ , 3D Realms = money-

Ramen4ever · 05-19-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NetDisruptor

ummm, yes they did. Exclamation point.

You had a choice. And anyone complaining about the "wait" only has themselves to blame.

NetDisruptor · 05-19-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RJK

At first, sorry about my English.

As i know, only completed and well-traded product can bring money.
Some product 3D Realms still have, i guess - DNF, and unannounced game.

Maybe there appeared hard choice - if DNF simple be a good game, not genius, but good, then this project cannot bring some profit, because DNF already take too much money - 20 mln only for 3D Realms, even without T2 publisher problems. Even good sales cannot return such money value.

And this like dead end: for properly result for 3D Realms, DNF must be masterpiece game (for ability sell IP in future), maybe for that they want much more time and money, but no one want give, because there no benefit, between 20 mln from 3DR and 12.5 mln T2 game sales must bring over 32.5 mln...

Your English is not bad. (read mine I'll show you bad.)
I agree that there is a lot riding on this title form 3DR's stand point, pretty much the company and founders are all riding on it.
(warning theory here)
That's why I wonder if this is a by product of 3DR trying to get out from underneath Take2.
I mean I never got the impression that any one at 3DR was all that stoked about the by out way back when. Maybe they have been looking for a way out of this deal with Take2. I know I would have been. So delaying the game until Take2 snaps and drops them. Now they are once again in control of their destiny and, more importantly, the cash.

Maybe that's a bit thin...

prophecy holder · 05-19-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramen4ever

You had a choice. And anyone complaining about the "wait" only has themselves to blame.

I chose to play DNF 10 years ago.....Didn't really work for me. Did it work for you Ramen?

NetDisruptor · 05-19-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramen4ever

You had a choice. And anyone complaining about the "wait" only has themselves to blame.

If I told you to wait here I'm going to get a pizza and didn't come back for 6 month's. I would expect you to eat with in that time. So yes you wouldn't be waiting to eat, but you would be waiting for your promised Za, and I know the 1st thing you would ask me when I got back is WTF where is the pizza...

So we all have waited for our slice of promised Duke pizza.

prophecy holder · 05-19-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NetDisruptor

If I told you to wait here I'm going to get a pizza and didn't come back for 6 month's. I would expect you to eat with in that time. So yes you wouldn't be waiting to eat, but you would be waiting for your promised Za, and I know the 1st thing you would ask me when I got back is WTF where is the pizza...

So we all have waited for our slice of promised Duke pizza.

Nicely put, the post some people crap out to defend 3DR defies all logical sense.

http://www.philstockworld.com/wp-con...illogical2.png

Legshot · 05-19-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NetDisruptor

If I told you to wait here I'm going to get a pizza and didn't come back for 6 month's. I would expect you to eat with in that time. So yes you wouldn't be waiting to eat, but you would be waiting for your promised Za, and I know the 1st thing you would ask me when I got back is WTF where is the pizza...

So we all have waited for our slice of promised Duke pizza.

So for which date exactly did 3drealms promise you DNF?

3drealms is a company, just because you bought one or more products from that company doesn't mean you are now in a position to demand more. Duke Nukem is their primary IP. The game’s a life dream. They poured huge amounts of money into the game, their own money, and you really think YOU have any right to be angry at them? Did you lose anything while "waiting" for the game? Some people REALLY have some nerves...

NetDisruptor · 05-19-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Legshot

So for which date exactly did 3drealms promise you DNF?

3drealms is a company, just because you bought one or more products from that company doesn't mean you are now in a position to demand more. Duke Nukem is their primary IP. The game’s a life dream. They poured huge amounts of money into the game, their own money, and you really think YOU have any right to be angry at them? Did you lose anything while "waiting" for the game? Some people REALLY have some nerves...

Step of the fan wagon a minute. Your telling me that if a group of people get together to accomplish one goal and it takes them 3 times longer than any one intended and now their goal is in ruin. I can't be upset by that? I have every right to be upset by this waste of everyone's time and money. Now that they have people drawing unemployment I'm even more involved in this.

Legshot · 05-19-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NetDisruptor

Step of the fan wagon a minute. Your telling me that if a group of people get together to accomplish one goal and it takes them 3 times longer than any one intended and now their goal is in ruin. I can't be upset by that? I have every right to be upset by this waste of everyone's time and money. Now that they have people drawing unemployment I'm even more involved in this.

You can be upset at whatever you want to be. It's just pathetic if you're not one of those people in that group

I found and still find it refreshing that people do things not just for money...

prophecy holder · 05-19-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Legshot

So for which date exactly did 3drealms promise you DNF?

3drealms is a company, just because you bought one or more products from that company doesn't mean you are now in a position to demand more. Duke Nukem is their primary IP. The game’s a life dream. They poured huge amounts of money into the game, their own money, and you really think YOU have any right to be angry at them? Did you lose anything while "waiting" for the game? Some people REALLY have some nerves...

You forget that a company stays in business because of thier fans buying thier games. If a game company has no fans and release's games which no one buys they WILL go out of business.

If you want to stay in business you got to please your fans.

Legshot · 05-19-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by prophecy holder

You forget that a company stays in business because of thier fans buying thier games. If a game company has no fans and release's games which no one buys they WILL go out of business.

If you want to stay in business you got to please your fans.

I'd exchange fans with customers but apart from that, you're right. Still doesn't mean customers/fans have any right to demand anything. They can choose to buy from the company again, or just don't. Of course a company needs customers, but it's not like the work is done by them

dino · 05-19-2009, 05:35 PM

this thread is full of whine

NetDisruptor · 05-19-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Legshot

I'd exchange fans with customers but apart from that, you're right. Still doesn't mean customers/fans have any right to demand anything. They can choose to buy from the company again, or just don't. Of course a company needs customers, but it's not like the work is done by them

It's not demand, and I never said it was. it was expected.
Just like I would expect any company to produce their product.
In fact I would go a step farther and say on time but we all know how that's been working.

You must think of them as some friend in art class that won't show us his drawings.
They are not your friends they are a company producing and selling you a product and or service. Your just a $ to them. Why do you defend them when that product is over due by imo 8 years? Any company that does this would be in trouble. I don't wish this on any of them. I hope it all works out for the best, but I find it hard to have sympathy for them right now.

This is just my opinion and I don't expect you to feel the same way, but don't tell me I have no right to feel one way or the other about anything.
Now it would seem that we are not able to enjoy their entertaining product because of bad business decisions. Who wouldn't be upset by that?

marioman360 · 05-19-2009, 07:36 PM

and for those of whom are just tuning in, allow me to summarize every duke thread made since may 6th:

05-19-2009, 08:46 AM	#2
Piano Man Guest	Re: Enough NO! Duke Nukem Forever is DEAD!!! And if think the answer is 'YES'... then I'd research the first sign of death.... It's DENIAL!!!

05-19-2009, 08:29 AM	#1
Stillbettingonduke	Enough 12 years... 12 years guys. We have all been waiting too long for DNF. Not so much as an official word on the issue (outside of the lawsuit) has been issued in 12 years other than some screen shots, short gameplay vids, and the oh so generous release date of "when it's done". Now, I understand that from a development team who is looking to create "the perfect game" how this might be considered as an acceptable way to keep the press, publishers, and fans at bay. Hell, you are self funded so who cares right? Personally I could care less about the media or what you're publishers expect from you as a game company. What about the people who support these games and consider them to be part of their lives? THE FANS... Let's face it 3dRealms, without us, you wouldn't even be in production today (still amazes me). Let's be clear before I go any further. I'm not looking for a release date, platform anouncements, or game specifics (even though we pretty much have the story line laid out for us). No. I just want to know if we'll see it. The game that your fans have been waiting for since it's announcement in 1997, will we see it? I don't know about the rest of you, but when I saw the recently released footage of the game, I was stunned. Not because of the graphics, or the physics, or any of that filler B.S. the industry has been cramming down our gullets as "this makes a good game". I was thrilled to see a game that was DIFFERENT from anything else on the market. Duke may not be the most up-to-date franchise, but are you telling me this game wouldn't sell like 10 cent funnel cakes? I for one, am tired of playing the role of a space marine shooting lasers at swarms of aliens that MAYBE have 5 different enemy models. SOMEONE from 3dRealms still reads these things, and I think it's about time you let us know. We have been patiently waiting. WILL WE PLAY THIS GAME?!?!?!

05-19-2009, 08:53 AM	#3
That Guy	Re: Enough Frankly the fan support and tolerance seen here is refreshing. I do hope that Scott, George and the employees appreciate it as much. The one huge question I have, given the over-and-above fan support, is this: Where's George? The fans have voiced their support and he has not responded at all. Throughout all of this turmoil, all the rumors, all the disinformation, his silence has perhaps said more than anything. Some have said that he can't say anything because of pending litigation, but I don't buy that. He might have to choose his words carefully, but he could certainly say something as simple as "Don't worry. We're going through some changes but we are still here." But that hasn't happened. In fact, the only person talking is Scott and much of what he says seems vague and non at all specific. Again... Where is George?

05-19-2009, 09:35 AM	#5
prophecy holder	Re: Enough Enough is enough, T had it with these mother ***** snakes on this mother *** plane.....Translated to DNF fiasco: "Enough is enough, I had with these mother *** delays for this mother ***** game" __________________ "Ever since I was a little boy, dressing up has always been...my greatest joy. But when It's time to be discreet, there is one thing you just can't beat and that's a strapless backless classical little black dress" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e4BCOrLmJ0

05-19-2009, 09:35 AM	#6
Needle	Re: Enough I'm angry at video games!

05-19-2009, 09:36 AM	#7
Psyrgery	Re: Enough Jesus Christ why did I come into this thread? __________________ George Broussard: Two facts: We haven't said anything. This forum is still open.

05-19-2009, 09:37 AM	#8
X-Vector	Re: Enough Because you couldn't look away. __________________ We're on an express elevator to hell... going clown. HELLO, MY FRIEND - freindship make a happiness double times and divide sadness half and make us remove our unhappiness. Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb

05-19-2009, 09:59 AM	#9
prophecy holder	Re: Enough I guess when most of you log onto the net they lose thier sense of humour and can't tell what is a joke and what isn't. I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of funding. That should be a new line in a game during a casino part for a little self joke. __________________ "Ever since I was a little boy, dressing up has always been...my greatest joy. But when It's time to be discreet, there is one thing you just can't beat and that's a strapless backless classical little black dress" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e4BCOrLmJ0

05-19-2009, 12:02 PM	#13
RuskiSnajper.	Re: Enough Clearly 3DR is still open I don't know why aren't they answering , they were online , and why the news page still says goodbye? It will just need a bit longer to finish dnf , shit happens. .. eventually well see it 2,3 months? __________________ Duke Nukem Lives Forever!

05-19-2009, 12:38 PM	#15
Caine	Re: Enough oh wow, for some thanks i can live better..... lol really...

05-19-2009, 12:59 PM	#18
Needle	Re: Enough Thinking about... do we know if everyone was fired?

05-19-2009, 01:13 PM	#20
Ramen4ever	Re: Enough No one forced you to wait. Period. __________________ "Shees, seems like all the good 3dr girls are taken, Baskinator, Raiden and Steve. :o" - The Stinger "He is... in front of me now, this man... no longer looks kind!" - About Guts, by Jill from Berserk

05-19-2009, 01:23 PM	#22
RJK	Re: Enough No one forced... but why we still waiting?

05-19-2009, 01:24 PM	#23
EvilJeff	Re: Enough I think the lack of information from the 3D Realms founders at this points drives home the point that they really don't care about the community, only the money it brings to the table. I feel some sympathy for those who have waited for 12 years for this game, I myself rarely regarded it with anything more than bemusement as the running gag of the gaming industry, but honestly, the gaming world is so chock full of quality gaming (amid the sea of crap, I'll admit), you'd do yourself a huge favor by just enjoying all the other quality games out there, and forgetting about Duke Nukem Forever. By the 4th year or so of "Duke Nukem Forever" magazine previews, I had lost interest. I can understand being loyal to a franchise, but you have to look at things objectively - they had 12 years to create the game, with very little to show for it, then they fire their core staff, and are undergoing legal proceedings against them by Take-Two, I wouldn't count on DNF appearing for at least a few years, and by then it will be far eclipsed by the sea of FPSs out there.

05-19-2009, 01:39 PM	#25
gungriffon geona	Re: Enough This thread would be better if it were a bunch of cats screeching at each other. 0/10 never try again.

05-19-2009, 05:35 PM	#38
dino	Re: Enough this thread is full of whine __________________ GET TO THE CHOPPA! It is the only way out...

05-19-2009, 07:36 PM	#40
marioman360	Re: Enough and for those of whom are just tuning in, allow me to summarize every duke thread made since may 6th: