Plug'n Pray Remake for PC?

Broly · 04-12-2009, 06:39 PM

Hey, i was thinken of doen the remake of plug'n pray episode 4 From the PSX version of duke nukem, but i dont know if its legal or not, although it wont feature any of the textures from the PSX version but i can do it to the best of my build abilities but if im not allowed to post it online then ill keep it to myself as a personal episode, i cant promise of it actually being made cause i have a crap load of time but i lack the motivation into actually remaken it

Commando Nukem · 04-13-2009, 12:01 AM

In a word, no. Several of the maps from Plug and Pray have been halted mid production in the past. It's not legal.

Though if you have so much free time and an urge to make maps, you should start on your own episode. You can certainly be inspired by Plug and Pray.

Broly · 04-13-2009, 04:52 AM

yea, i guess your right but it would be kinda cool if it were legal, ill stick to my own

IceColdDuke · 04-13-2009, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Commando Nukem

In a word, no. Several of the maps from Plug and Pray have been halted mid production in the past. It's not legal.

Though if you have so much free time and an urge to make maps, you should start on your own episode. You can certainly be inspired by Plug and Pray.

There was a 4th episode in the PSX version of Duke3d? Correct me if im wrong you can use the same LAYOUT for the maps just you have to build it yourself and use your own textures...hence why theres alot of Quake and Doom 1/2 inspired maps all over the place for various engines, but again ill wait for TerminX or Joe to correct me

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Broly · 04-13-2009, 05:23 AM

well plug'n and pray had to have been made on the PC and the layout had to have been the same as the original PC maps accept it was modified and ported to the PSX version, they probebly have the original layout of the maps somewhere, but impossible to try and get ahold of them...

Nimoy · 04-13-2009, 12:40 PM

3DRealms didnt make the new maps.
Remaking the maps and art by hand is in no way illegal.

Commando Nukem · 04-13-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by IceColdDuke

There was a 4th episode in the PSX version of Duke3d? Correct me if im wrong you can use the same LAYOUT for the maps just you have to build it yourself and use your own textures...hence why theres alot of Quake and Doom 1/2 inspired maps all over the place for various engines, but again ill wait for TerminX or Joe to correct me

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I think having an exact replica of a levels layout is still a big no-no when it comes to something like this. You'd have to make alterations somewhere to make it your own. I think anyway. Yeah we'll need someone to verify/clarify.

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Originally Posted by Broly

well plug'n and pray had to have been made on the PC and the layout had to have been the same as the original PC maps accept it was modified and ported to the PSX version, they probebly have the original layout of the maps somewhere, but impossible to try and get ahold of them...

I honestly don't know about that. When you look at the Playstation files the maps are stuffed with their textures and assets, so the formats are different.

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Originally Posted by Nimoy

Remaking the maps and art by hand is in no way illegal.

If the net results is an indentical image... then no...I'm pretty sure that's still illegal.

Nimoy · 04-13-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Commando Nukem

If the net results is an indentical image... then no...I'm pretty sure that's still illegal.

Which is practically impossible, unless you traced them.

Broly · 04-13-2009, 02:24 PM

well, i dont trace i have like 5 copies of the DN total meltdown and id only use 1 for the level maken basicly, i trace from the level when the game is runnen and if i get done with it i go to the next the reason for me having so many copies is because i like to do link to link PS1 MultiPlay, but as far as i know remaking isnt illegal BUT i cant mark the maps to make sure thier in my design would that be legal?

SwissCM · 04-14-2009, 01:32 AM

I've tried extracting the maps from PSX Duke but they seem to be compressed or encrypted. The art tiles are in another format entirely. Some kind of automated converter could theoretically bypass any legality issues but it would require some reverse engineering.

Broly · 04-14-2009, 08:32 AM

thats some pretty advanced stuff, just out of curiousity can u do anything about it

SwissCM · 04-14-2009, 09:26 AM

Haha no. Someone else will have to do it I'm afraid.

Broly · 04-14-2009, 11:43 AM

lmao i see what u mean

Commando Nukem · 04-14-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Broly

as far as i know remaking isnt illegal BUT i cant mark the maps to make sure thier in my design would that be legal?

Remaking/porting the maps is illegal.

Nimoy · 04-14-2009, 06:46 PM

Kind of OT, but have any of you ever noticed that the Total Meltdown disc holds a fifth episode?

Commando Nukem · 04-14-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimoy

Kind of OT, but have any of you ever noticed that the Total Meltdown disc holds a fifth episode?

I was under the impression that was related to MP somehow.

Kenny mckormick · 04-15-2009, 04:21 PM

but one log that convert map/art would be legally?

Cause in this way,you need the PSX ISO for data,so you need to buy it...

Nimoy · 04-15-2009, 05:08 PM

Good luck with that.

You'd have to write that program by hand.

Commando Nukem · 04-15-2009, 05:09 PM

It also wouldnt make any damn sense. If you have the game, just play the levels!

The Commander · 04-15-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Commando Nukem

It also wouldnt make any damn sense. If you have the game, just play the levels!

I could see ALOT of sense in playing them on the PC version.

Nimoy · 04-15-2009, 06:00 PM

Yep, and the extra art and sounds may be pretty useful for modders.

Player Lin · 04-16-2009, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Commander

I could see ALOT of sense in playing them on the PC version.

I agree.

And NOT everyone who played PC version have the PSX version of DN3D.
So it would make any damn sense.

04-12-2009, 06:39 PM	#1
Broly	Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? Hey, i was thinken of doen the remake of plug'n pray episode 4 From the PSX version of duke nukem, but i dont know if its legal or not, although it wont feature any of the textures from the PSX version but i can do it to the best of my build abilities but if im not allowed to post it online then ill keep it to myself as a personal episode, i cant promise of it actually being made cause i have a crap load of time but i lack the motivation into actually remaken it

04-13-2009, 12:01 AM	#2
Commando Nukem	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? In a word, no. Several of the maps from Plug and Pray have been halted mid production in the past. It's not legal. Though if you have so much free time and an urge to make maps, you should start on your own episode. You can certainly be inspired by Plug and Pray. __________________ Open Maw Productions

04-13-2009, 04:52 AM	#3
Broly	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? yea, i guess your right but it would be kinda cool if it were legal, ill stick to my own

04-13-2009, 05:23 AM	#5
Broly	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? well plug'n and pray had to have been made on the PC and the layout had to have been the same as the original PC maps accept it was modified and ported to the PSX version, they probebly have the original layout of the maps somewhere, but impossible to try and get ahold of them... Last edited by Broly; 04-13-2009 at 05:35 AM.

04-13-2009, 12:40 PM	#6
Nimoy	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? 3DRealms didnt make the new maps. Remaking the maps and art by hand is in no way illegal. __________________ The feeling is definitely there. It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits. We dont just want to survive, we want to succeed. - President of the USA, "They Live"

04-13-2009, 02:24 PM	#9
Broly	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? well, i dont trace i have like 5 copies of the DN total meltdown and id only use 1 for the level maken basicly, i trace from the level when the game is runnen and if i get done with it i go to the next the reason for me having so many copies is because i like to do link to link PS1 MultiPlay, but as far as i know remaking isnt illegal BUT i cant mark the maps to make sure thier in my design would that be legal?

04-14-2009, 01:32 AM	#10
SwissCM	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? I've tried extracting the maps from PSX Duke but they seem to be compressed or encrypted. The art tiles are in another format entirely. Some kind of automated converter could theoretically bypass any legality issues but it would require some reverse engineering.

04-14-2009, 08:32 AM	#11
Broly	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? thats some pretty advanced stuff, just out of curiousity can u do anything about it

04-14-2009, 09:26 AM	#12
SwissCM	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? Haha no. Someone else will have to do it I'm afraid.

04-14-2009, 11:43 AM	#13
Broly	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? lmao i see what u mean

04-14-2009, 06:46 PM	#15
Nimoy	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? Kind of OT, but have any of you ever noticed that the Total Meltdown disc holds a fifth episode? __________________ The feeling is definitely there. It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits. We dont just want to survive, we want to succeed. - President of the USA, "They Live"

04-15-2009, 04:21 PM	#17
Kenny mckormick	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? but one log that convert map/art would be legally? Cause in this way,you need the PSX ISO for data,so you need to buy it...

04-15-2009, 05:08 PM	#18
Nimoy	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? Good luck with that. You'd have to write that program by hand. __________________ The feeling is definitely there. It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits. We dont just want to survive, we want to succeed. - President of the USA, "They Live"

04-15-2009, 05:09 PM	#19
Commando Nukem	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? It also wouldnt make any damn sense. If you have the game, just play the levels! __________________ Open Maw Productions

04-15-2009, 06:00 PM	#21
Nimoy	Re: Plug'n Pray Remake for PC? Yep, and the extra art and sounds may be pretty useful for modders. __________________ The feeling is definitely there. It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits. We dont just want to survive, we want to succeed. - President of the USA, "They Live"