Max Payne 2 shouldn't be made

0marTheZealot · 03-02-2002, 11:13 PM

The story will seriously feel forced and contrived. He's already killed 600 people, I don't think the Police Department will just let him go.

I honestly don't think there should be a Max Payne 2.

revenant100 · 03-03-2002, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by 0mar:
He's already killed 600 people, I don't think the Police Department will just let him go.

It's not like he killed the good guys. He killed drug lords, mafia members, gangs, assassins, and corrupt business people. Although I would like to see how Max Payne is going to get out of this mess. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

BTW, a thread a while back determined there were about 663 people killed in the game.

sawn_off · 03-03-2002, 01:08 AM

I thought it was 669?

revenant100 · 03-03-2002, 01:22 AM

Actually, I just checked the thread and it's 689.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubb/ultim...=003498#000007

sawn_off · 03-03-2002, 01:40 AM

Besides. Max grabbed the tape of "One-Eyed-Alfred" and Candy Dawn or "collateral". So if Woden didn't wipe Max's slate clean, Max could show 'em the tape. All in all Max should go free and become an urban hero like The Punisher. He could team up with D'arci Stern and Roper Macintyre from Urban Chaos! [img]graemlins/tinyted.gif[/img]

[ 03-03-2002, 01:42 AM: Message edited by: sawn_off ]

0marTheZealot · 03-03-2002, 02:12 AM

regardless of what Max Payne has of Alfred, I don't feel that the story will be anywhere as good as this ones.

Think about it, what in the hell is he gonna do after he gets out? Vigilante style? He already avenged his kid and wife's death. What now? He's gonna do it, cuz it's the right thing? Nah I don't think that makes a good story.

revenant100 · 03-03-2002, 02:21 AM

Max Payne never went out looking for trouble, trouble went looking for him. (Boy that sounded silly [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] ) What that means is a lot of enemies will be mad at Max for killing their partners and such, so they might go and try to take him out. Plus, Vladmir is still alive and Mona may still be living. I'm pretty sure Mona survived, otherwise she could just come back as a super human mutant cyborg coming back for revenge. [img]graemlins/tinyted.gif[/img]

Hole · 03-03-2002, 03:52 PM

How about Max gets into a diffrent dimention, and he needs to save his brother that wasn't born yet, from the spirit of the Valkyr that likes to eat pasta and kill wives?

[img]graemlins/dopefish.gif[/img]

biXen · 03-03-2002, 04:07 PM

Have sequels ever had any very cool story's? It's all revenge baby... just look at Deathwish [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

They always find loopholes to continue the story's. I found one in T2, Arnold's arm was left in that crusher, probably some parts there they can use. There's always ways [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Dsilence · 03-05-2002, 03:26 AM

Of course a sequel must be made.. Max Payne wakes up from a dream, and nothing relly happend, then rest of the game u take care of your baby, wife and garden.. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

03-05-2002, 04:21 AM

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Originally posted by biXen:
...They always find loopholes to continue the story's. I found one in T2, Arnold's arm was left in that crusher, probably some parts there they can use. There's always ways [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Um, there was no chip in his arm, and it was left in a "crusher". Although from my memory the crusher was in the first movie, and in the second one was left between two very large gears, in effect, crushing his arm.

biXen · 03-05-2002, 04:51 AM

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Originally posted by Qender:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by biXen:
...They always find loopholes to continue the story's. I found one in T2, Arnold's arm was left in that crusher, probably some parts there they can use. There's always ways [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Um, there was no chip in his arm, and it was left in a "crusher". Although from my memory the crusher was in the first movie, and in the second one was left between two very large gears, in effect, crushing his arm.<hr /></blockquote>The technology to make the T800 consisted of both the arm and the chip. The arm obviously has advanced gyro/hydraulic/electric capabilities, and it wasn't totally crushed. Doesn't really matter though, cause something like this will happen someday anyway, someone will get the technology to get the Robots walking and using balance like we do, and we'll get Mechs, Ed-209, Terminators and the shit [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Jester89 · 03-05-2002, 06:59 PM

A new Max Payne should definately be made! I mean, for crying out loud, it's only one of the most successful games in video game history. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

sawn_off · 03-24-2002, 08:07 PM

My excuse is that this thread is on the first page. The loophole is, most likely the fact that Gognitti walked, and without Lupino, he's the new kingpin.

Spazer · 03-24-2002, 10:30 PM

you know another mp is on the way, and you know max will be milked to the bitter end..almost every popular game is. hopefully they wont go overboard..

biXen · 03-25-2002, 01:17 AM

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Originally posted by sawn_off:
My excuse is that this thread is on the first page. The loophole is, most likely the fact that Gognitti walked, and without Lupino, he's the new kingpin.

Guys that piss their pants in the first movie/game don't become bosses in the sequel, that's an underkill...

sawn_off · 03-25-2002, 02:06 AM

And he thinks Max will get 'im? Max's in prison! and Gognitti has no knowledge of the deal with Max and Alfred! So there [img]graemlins/tinyted.gif[/img]

03-25-2002, 02:05 PM

I think Duke Nukem forever will be renammed as Max Payne 2 ....so the programmers get another 4years to develop this game :-ppppppp

after having a bad trip with the V...

lol ok it's not fair.

03-25-2002, 04:13 PM

If there is a second Payne he will probably start off in prison, then do a fugitive type escape. He didn't exactly collect any evidence, the quote "collecting evidence had gotten old a few hundred bullets back" says it all. Woden will probably dissapear (Max could sort him out later). Max will get out, meet up with Vladimir and discover that all he did in his first outing was just a small part of the whole V thing, and a lot of people (cue some new psycho boss) want him dead. Therefore, the golden rule with all sequals, there will a much higher body count. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

As already said Payne will be milked for all its worth - i'm dreading the film - but we can hope that the follow on games will be as good as the first.

The Dude · 03-26-2002, 06:25 AM

I wouldn't mind having the whole 'mayor' angle covered a little more. Having him assasinated for declaring a 'war on Valkyr' seems a little underrated. I'm sure there could be an interesting sub-plot in there.

And with a product as popular as Valkyr, I'm sure someone will continue distributing it. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] Why Max will care, I don't know, but it's a start.

Mugg · 03-28-2002, 09:33 PM

Hey, I dont think they read him his rights when they arrested him, he could get off on that couldnt he? Though it seems pretty boring to escape on a technicality, especially for killing 600+ people [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

Crim · 03-29-2002, 05:25 AM

How about the russian mob busting Max out of the prison and he starts working underground for them and becomes the new Don Max Payno. That would rule!

sawn_off · 03-29-2002, 01:46 PM

You're kidding, right Crim? There's alread two TC's doing that!

Crim · 03-29-2002, 03:13 PM

Thats unoriginal then... [img]graemlins/dopefish.gif[/img]

sawn_off · 03-30-2002, 02:08 AM

It was original at the time foo'.

commandguy · 03-30-2002, 05:19 PM

Let Max Payne 2 come.More weapons,more screaming,more killing,more blood,more fun [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

BADGER · 03-31-2002, 09:57 PM

Where's the evidence of Max's high kills? [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

zombiecubed · 04-07-2002, 03:14 PM

Ya know in half-life where the sequal to it (opposing force) had you in command of another person? Well maybe the second game can have you in control of Mona Sax. Sound stupid but it could help us learn her part in it and maybe see part of a bigger conspiracy.

[ 04-07-2002, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: zombiecubed ]

revenant100 · 04-07-2002, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by zombiecubed:
Ya know in half-life where the sequal to it (opposing force) had you in command of another person?

Opposing Force is not a sequel. It's an expansion pack.

sawn_off · 04-07-2002, 04:20 PM

It was really both revenant.

fractalgp · 04-07-2002, 05:54 PM

Well, it can't be a sequel as its storyline was parallel to Half-Life's.

biXen · 04-08-2002, 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by fractalgp:
Well, it can't be a sequel as its storyline was parallel to Half-Life's.

True...

and who the hell would make a game about Mona when they've made a franchise of the Max Payne name? Think business people... We'll see a horde of sequels now, based purely on revenge, Deathwish only got to number 5... maybe Max Payne will go further... Paul Kersey... watch out, you are not the only one that can shoot people in the backs and shoot before talking anymore...

The Baskinator · 04-21-2002, 12:13 PM

Hey, why didn't I contribute to this thread before? Weird...

*laughing*
Maybe Max will become a professional clown, and you have to spend the whole game entertaining snotty suburban kids at birthday parties.

If those little rugrats get outta hand...KA-BLAMMO!

Heh heh...sorry. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

I hate to suck-up...but what the heck! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

I [img]graemlins/love.gif[/img] Remedy. Max Payne 2 could have a story that paralells Bebe's Kids, and I would still be "MAX PANE ADN REMMEDY NUMBAR OEN FAN!!!!!1"

biXen · 04-21-2002, 04:06 PM

This thread is starting to get Sofa King Stupid... [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

04-21-2002, 11:04 PM

The question is, what would be Max's motivation? He's killed everyone that had a hand in killing his wife and Kid? Remember, once the bitch was dead, he dropped his Colt commando.

Max being arrested is another thing. They hold him for 48 hours and let him go. Who are the witness's? He's killed everyone and he wasn't armed when they arrested him.

Loc Dog · 04-22-2002, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by biXen:
Have sequels ever had any very cool story's? It's all revenge baby... just look at Deathwish [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

They always find loopholes to continue the story's. I found one in T2, Arnold's arm was left in that crusher, probably some parts there they can use. There's always ways [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

yes i notced that aswell, but if you remeber it was the broken processor in the first one that they used to create the super computers. but who knows, i already know they are making a T:3 with arnold, and a new terminator, a women who can perform some of the same things as the T1000. its set it the future i think, i can only hope it will be a good sequel.

smattbac · 04-22-2002, 10:24 AM

Didn't bother to read the whole thread but, if there's a Max Payne 2 I think it should be,

A) Three or four years in the future. Max could have spent some time in jail or something. It could briefely be explained how he got out, but other than that, the story wouldn't have anything to do with MP 1.

B) Three or four years in the past. Maybe when Max first went undercover or something.

What Omar said in his first post, it wouldn't make any sense to continue the story directly after he as arrested.

Zer0 · 04-22-2002, 12:46 PM

Max Payne 2 should be multiplayer else the communitty will be close to death b4 it has established itself just like this one.

biXen · 04-22-2002, 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by Loc Dog:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by biXen:
Have sequels ever had any very cool story's? It's all revenge baby... just look at Deathwish [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

They always find loopholes to continue the story's. I found one in T2, Arnold's arm was left in that crusher, probably some parts there they can use. There's always ways [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

yes i notced that aswell, but if you remeber it was the broken processor in the first one that they used to create the super computers. but who knows, i already know they are making a T:3 with arnold, and a new terminator, a women who can perform some of the same things as the T1000. its set it the future i think, i can only hope it will be a good sequel.<hr /></blockquote>Yeah the woman is a hot half-norwegian model, 23 years old. Hope she can play evil. Furlong won't play Connor afterall, LAME... this new guy is him, looks kinda similar anyway I guess... I think the movie is gonna rock, but with too much lamo kid actors it may not...

Meglamaniac · 05-09-2002, 03:32 PM

Ok yea payne needs 2 make a multiplayer engine the sequals will come but i find it hard to beleive that they will match up to the first it realy kicks ass but thats the problem oher than a expantion i cant see it being improved, other than the multiplayer aspect the graphics are sweet the sound it brill the storyline gets a 9.9/10 but its gona deterierate. Look at toumb raider was huge wen it first came out the second and third were just as good but not brilliant the forth went downhill got too complicated and the fith is gona be total bum fluff [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] the only way the story could continue 4 me is either do a 4 years in the past (already mentioned) or just give it some sort of expantion e.g. escapes from prison finds out that the woman at the top of the top security headquarters he somehow managed 2 infiltrate wasnt the only boss and has 2 kill another 1 ok this is a bit repetative but hey it would add 2 the kills. Also maybe a bit more realism has ne1 else noticed that if they just stopped the lift while max was in it with no way out he would be a sitting duck i mean how many people are stupid enough to let 1 guy with a colt commando jackhammer and M79 get all the way through a building like that its just mad - yea ok so u accept that the game has to progess somehow but couldnt he have got half way in by going undercover or something or gaining acces codes to stop cameres before he went anywere like in a lift if u had to do this they wouldnt know u were in the lift and therefore wouldnt stop it however in the present situation they must see u in the lift (supposing this high security building has a few cameres here and there) and think ahh our guy will get him at the other end blam blam o bugger look at thet he killed my head of security suprise suprise anyway i should have posted this as a new subject realy but just felt like typing alot _Megla

[ 05-11-2002, 06:44 AM: Message edited by: Meglamaniac ]

03-25-2002, 02:05 PM	#18
Guest Guest	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made I think Duke Nukem forever will be renammed as Max Payne 2 ....so the programmers get another 4years to develop this game :-ppppppp after having a bad trip with the V... lol ok it's not fair.

03-25-2002, 04:13 PM	#19
Ariel Guest	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made If there is a second Payne he will probably start off in prison, then do a fugitive type escape. He didn't exactly collect any evidence, the quote "collecting evidence had gotten old a few hundred bullets back" says it all. Woden will probably dissapear (Max could sort him out later). Max will get out, meet up with Vladimir and discover that all he did in his first outing was just a small part of the whole V thing, and a lot of people (cue some new psycho boss) want him dead. Therefore, the golden rule with all sequals, there will a much higher body count. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] As already said Payne will be milked for all its worth - i'm dreading the film - but we can hope that the follow on games will be as good as the first.

04-07-2002, 05:54 PM	#31
fractalgp	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Well, it can't be a sequel as its storyline was parallel to Half-Life's.
$fractalgp is offline$

04-21-2002, 11:04 PM	#35
Guest Guest	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made The question is, what would be Max's motivation? He's killed everyone that had a hand in killing his wife and Kid? Remember, once the bitch was dead, he dropped his Colt commando. Max being arrested is another thing. They hold him for 48 hours and let him go. Who are the witness's? He's killed everyone and he wasn't armed when they arrested him.

03-02-2002, 11:13 PM	#1
0marTheZealot	Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made The story will seriously feel forced and contrived. He's already killed 600 people, I don't think the Police Department will just let him go. I honestly don't think there should be a Max Payne 2.

03-03-2002, 01:08 AM	#3
sawn_off	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made I thought it was 669?

03-03-2002, 01:22 AM	#4
revenant100	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Actually, I just checked the thread and it's 689. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubb/ultim...=003498#000007

03-03-2002, 01:40 AM	#5
sawn_off	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Besides. Max grabbed the tape of "One-Eyed-Alfred" and Candy Dawn or "collateral". So if Woden didn't wipe Max's slate clean, Max could show 'em the tape. All in all Max should go free and become an urban hero like The Punisher. He could team up with D'arci Stern and Roper Macintyre from Urban Chaos! [img]graemlins/tinyted.gif[/img] [ 03-03-2002, 01:42 AM: Message edited by: sawn_off ]

03-03-2002, 02:12 AM	#6
0marTheZealot	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made regardless of what Max Payne has of Alfred, I don't feel that the story will be anywhere as good as this ones. Think about it, what in the hell is he gonna do after he gets out? Vigilante style? He already avenged his kid and wife's death. What now? He's gonna do it, cuz it's the right thing? Nah I don't think that makes a good story.

03-03-2002, 02:21 AM	#7
revenant100	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Max Payne never went out looking for trouble, trouble went looking for him. (Boy that sounded silly [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] ) What that means is a lot of enemies will be mad at Max for killing their partners and such, so they might go and try to take him out. Plus, Vladmir is still alive and Mona may still be living. I'm pretty sure Mona survived, otherwise she could just come back as a super human mutant cyborg coming back for revenge. [img]graemlins/tinyted.gif[/img]

03-03-2002, 03:52 PM	#8
Hole	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made How about Max gets into a diffrent dimention, and he needs to save his brother that wasn't born yet, from the spirit of the Valkyr that likes to eat pasta and kill wives? [img]graemlins/dopefish.gif[/img]

03-03-2002, 04:07 PM	#9
biXen	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Have sequels ever had any very cool story's? It's all revenge baby... just look at Deathwish [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] They always find loopholes to continue the story's. I found one in T2, Arnold's arm was left in that crusher, probably some parts there they can use. There's always ways [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] __________________ bee-digital - my new web dev blog Max Payne fan site Alan Wake fan site

03-05-2002, 03:26 AM	#10
Dsilence	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Of course a sequel must be made.. Max Payne wakes up from a dream, and nothing relly happend, then rest of the game u take care of your baby, wife and garden.. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] __________________ MurderBurger Inc. 2nd Edition

03-05-2002, 06:59 PM	#13
Jester89	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made A new Max Payne should definately be made! I mean, for crying out loud, it's only one of the most successful games in video game history. [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

03-24-2002, 08:07 PM	#14
sawn_off	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made My excuse is that this thread is on the first page. The loophole is, most likely the fact that Gognitti walked, and without Lupino, he's the new kingpin.

03-24-2002, 10:30 PM	#15
Spazer	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made you know another mp is on the way, and you know max will be milked to the bitter end..almost every popular game is. hopefully they wont go overboard..

03-25-2002, 02:06 AM	#17
sawn_off	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made And he thinks Max will get 'im? Max's in prison! and Gognitti has no knowledge of the deal with Max and Alfred! So there [img]graemlins/tinyted.gif[/img]

03-26-2002, 06:25 AM	#20
The Dude	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made I wouldn't mind having the whole 'mayor' angle covered a little more. Having him assasinated for declaring a 'war on Valkyr' seems a little underrated. I'm sure there could be an interesting sub-plot in there. And with a product as popular as Valkyr, I'm sure someone will continue distributing it. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] Why Max will care, I don't know, but it's a start.

03-28-2002, 09:33 PM	#21
Mugg	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Hey, I dont think they read him his rights when they arrested him, he could get off on that couldnt he? Though it seems pretty boring to escape on a technicality, especially for killing 600+ people [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

03-29-2002, 05:25 AM	#22
Crim	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made How about the russian mob busting Max out of the prison and he starts working underground for them and becomes the new Don Max Payno. That would rule!

03-29-2002, 01:46 PM	#23
sawn_off	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made You're kidding, right Crim? There's alread two TC's doing that!

03-29-2002, 03:13 PM	#24
Crim	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Thats unoriginal then... [img]graemlins/dopefish.gif[/img]

03-30-2002, 02:08 AM	#25
sawn_off	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made It was original at the time foo'.

03-30-2002, 05:19 PM	#26
commandguy	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Let Max Payne 2 come.More weapons,more screaming,more killing,more blood,more fun [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

03-31-2002, 09:57 PM	#27
BADGER	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Where's the evidence of Max's high kills? [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

04-07-2002, 03:14 PM	#28
zombiecubed	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Ya know in half-life where the sequal to it (opposing force) had you in command of another person? Well maybe the second game can have you in control of Mona Sax. Sound stupid but it could help us learn her part in it and maybe see part of a bigger conspiracy. [ 04-07-2002, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: zombiecubed ]

04-07-2002, 04:20 PM	#30
sawn_off	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made It was really both revenant.

04-21-2002, 12:13 PM	#33
The Baskinator	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Hey, why didn't I contribute to this thread before? Weird... laughing Maybe Max will become a professional clown, and you have to spend the whole game entertaining snotty suburban kids at birthday parties. If those little rugrats get outta hand...KA-BLAMMO! Heh heh...sorry. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] I hate to suck-up...but what the heck! [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] I [img]graemlins/love.gif[/img] Remedy. Max Payne 2 could have a story that paralells Bebe's Kids, and I would still be "MAX PANE ADN REMMEDY NUMBAR OEN FAN!!!!!1" __________________ Stay frosty. "Friends? These are my only friends! Grown up nerds, like Gore Vidal, and even he's kissed more boys than I ever will.

04-21-2002, 04:06 PM	#34
biXen	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made This thread is starting to get Sofa King Stupid... [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] __________________ bee-digital - my new web dev blog Max Payne fan site Alan Wake fan site

04-22-2002, 10:24 AM	#37
smattbac	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Didn't bother to read the whole thread but, if there's a Max Payne 2 I think it should be, A) Three or four years in the future. Max could have spent some time in jail or something. It could briefely be explained how he got out, but other than that, the story wouldn't have anything to do with MP 1. B) Three or four years in the past. Maybe when Max first went undercover or something. What Omar said in his first post, it wouldn't make any sense to continue the story directly after he as arrested. __________________ - Making the world brighter since 2003! - My digital stuff

04-22-2002, 12:46 PM	#38
Zer0	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Max Payne 2 should be multiplayer else the communitty will be close to death b4 it has established itself just like this one. __________________ ------------------------------- There are no happy endings, but everything must end. ------------------------------- Zer0 - Always was and always will be. Zer0 is the beginning, will we see an end?

05-09-2002, 03:32 PM	#40
Meglamaniac	Re: Max Payne 2 shouldn\'t be made Ok yea payne needs 2 make a multiplayer engine the sequals will come but i find it hard to beleive that they will match up to the first it realy kicks ass but thats the problem oher than a expantion i cant see it being improved, other than the multiplayer aspect the graphics are sweet the sound it brill the storyline gets a 9.9/10 but its gona deterierate. Look at toumb raider was huge wen it first came out the second and third were just as good but not brilliant the forth went downhill got too complicated and the fith is gona be total bum fluff [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] the only way the story could continue 4 me is either do a 4 years in the past (already mentioned) or just give it some sort of expantion e.g. escapes from prison finds out that the woman at the top of the top security headquarters he somehow managed 2 infiltrate wasnt the only boss and has 2 kill another 1 ok this is a bit repetative but hey it would add 2 the kills. Also maybe a bit more realism has ne1 else noticed that if they just stopped the lift while max was in it with no way out he would be a sitting duck i mean how many people are stupid enough to let 1 guy with a colt commando jackhammer and M79 get all the way through a building like that its just mad - yea ok so u accept that the game has to progess somehow but couldnt he have got half way in by going undercover or something or gaining acces codes to stop cameres before he went anywere like in a lift if u had to do this they wouldnt know u were in the lift and therefore wouldnt stop it however in the present situation they must see u in the lift (supposing this high security building has a few cameres here and there) and think ahh our guy will get him at the other end blam blam o bugger look at thet he killed my head of security suprise suprise anyway i should have posted this as a new subject realy but just felt like typing alot _Megla [ 05-11-2002, 06:44 AM: Message edited by: Meglamaniac ]