I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again

3dplayer · 05-22-2009, 12:08 PM

Who's with me ? They pulled the plug, ass ******s !

Monkey Butler · 05-22-2009, 12:12 PM

It wasn't T2's plug to pull. If 3DR had asked you and you alone to personally raise $5 million to complete the game could we blame you?

3dplayer · 05-22-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

It wasn't T2's plug to pull. If 3DR had asked you and you alone to personally raise $5 million to complete the game could we blame you?

You're right, I am just picking someone to blame ...

You're right.....

*Wanders away like a yelled at child *

Germany · 05-22-2009, 12:36 PM

I don't will miss Bioshock2 ! Comming fromT2.

Raoul Luigi · 05-22-2009, 02:07 PM

Unfortunately Take Two is one of the few game companies worth my money, its unfortunate they could not agree to dnf but alas I will still buy their games.

Drazula · 05-22-2009, 02:22 PM

I'll buy their games. I don't see what they did wrong.

BloodWolf806 · 05-22-2009, 02:29 PM

I'm with 3DR on this one, but your boycott will do nothing.

I will buy Max Payne 3, any future GTAs, and many other Take 2 games.

SpinX · 05-22-2009, 03:55 PM

I will think twice of buying a take 2 game, thats for sure... FU take 2

Derfernet · 05-22-2009, 04:25 PM

I don't play any of their games. My boycott will do nothing. :[

05-23-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

It wasn't T2's plug to pull. If 3DR had asked you and you alone to personally raise $5 million to complete the game could we blame you?

take two didnt put any money toward's funding development duke nukem forever, take two actually delayed duke nukem forever, because if these *******s would of just gave 3drealms the money we most likely would of had our game.

SplatterHappy · 05-23-2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bongjoker1920

take two didnt put any money toward's funding development duke nukem forever, take two actually delayed duke nukem forever, because if these *******s would of just gave 3drealms the money we most likely would of had our game.

"Take-Two never paid 3DR advances or any signing bonus or any other funds related to DNF, up until July 2008, at which time they paid $2.5m in connection with another agreement for an unannounced game. This is the sum total Take-Two has paid 3DR in connection with DNF."

$2,500,000 isn't peanuts. Do we all honestly believe that after getting no product from 3DR for 12 years, that Take Two really gave them the $2.5 mill for the 'unannounced' game. No, they gave it in the hopes that DNF would be finished.. the 'unannounced' game deal would have just been icing on the top of the cake.

Apparently George went looking for an additional $5 mill in January at which point Take Two assumes the cake is a lie. It truly will be a convoluted mess of a court case I think.

Rider · 05-23-2009, 03:49 AM

Do we really need yet another thread for this discussion??

Babe · 05-23-2009, 04:20 AM

I baught Bioshock and GTA IV. Will not buy anything from them again if they dont release DNF.

prophecy holder · 05-23-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rider

Do we really need yet another thread for this discussion??

I agree, the horse has been beaten to death people. Leave the poor thing alone and just bury the carcass. Well if you needed proof of whoever is a die hard 3DR fanboy, this thread is for you.

05-23-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SplatterHappy

"Take-Two never paid 3DR advances or any signing bonus or any other funds related to DNF, up until July 2008, at which time they paid $2.5m in connection with another agreement for an unannounced game. This is the sum total Take-Two has paid 3DR in connection with DNF."

$2,500,000 isn't peanuts. Do we all honestly believe that after getting no product from 3DR for 12 years, that Take Two really gave them the $2.5 mill for the 'unannounced' game. No, they gave it in the hopes that DNF would be finished.. the 'unannounced' game deal would have just been icing on the top of the cake.

Apparently George went looking for an additional $5 mill in January at which point Take Two assumes the cake is a lie. It truly will be a convoluted mess of a court case I think.

2.5 million was put towards making another game.....not towards funding duke nukem forever.

get the **** over it.

05-23-2009, 11:38 PM

Missing out on good games? I don't think so.

SplatterHappy · 05-23-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bongjoker1920

2.5 million was put towards making another game.....not towards funding duke nukem forever.

get the **** over it.

"Take-Two never paid 3DR advances or any signing bonus or any other funds related to DNF, up until July 2008, at which time they paid $2.5m in connection with another agreement for an unannounced game. This is the sum total Take-Two has paid 3DR in connection with DNF."

Straight from George Broussard's statement. What part of "in connection with DNF" did you not get?? It was for DNF plus the "unannounced game"

Are you so deluded that you think Take Two would pay $2.5 million for another game that doesn't exist when they've been waiting roughly 12 years for DNF? Even George said "in connection with DNF", so DNF did figure into that transaction.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Take Two's actions (look at my avatar to the left.. I think it paints a pretty clear picture). What I was saying is that the $2.5 million will be considered by the judge of the case and it would have been a much less muddy case if that dollar figure didn't enter into it... hence the *sad face* at the end of my previous post.

It's not always a black and white world, there are often shades of gray, especially in the legal system. The $2.5 mil adds another gray area that Apogee Software, LTD could have done without in their defense.

05-24-2009, 03:27 AM

honestly i havent liked any game published by take two.

they suck

gungriffon geona · 05-24-2009, 03:30 AM

so if they changed their name to gamejerky buttplug incorporated, you'd unknowingly buy their stuff if you thought it was good.

Glad to know you care so much, your observational skills are important to us! Have a nice day!

Private420 · 05-24-2009, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 3dplayer

Who's with me ? They pulled the plug, ass ******s !

that won't really hurt the people who deserve it there the corporate pigs that pull the strings will always find away to make a ladder of corpse from there co workers to get them out of any financial shit storm they may encounter, there are plenty of hard working game makers that depend on there games being sold through take 2, the people who worked on Bioshock, GTA and the new Civilizations game don't deserve our ire for what the jerks up top did. and what if DNF is released by them it would be horrible but I'm not going to lie I would buy it in a second even it I would literally cut off the words take two from the box and burn them, I want my DNF, that is all I got to say my little soap box speech.

SplatterHappy · 05-24-2009, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Private420

that won't really hurt the people who deserve it there the corporate pigs that pull the strings will always find away to make a ladder of corpse from there co workers to get them out of any financial shit storm they may encounter, there are plenty of hard working game makers that depend on there games being sold through take 2, the people who worked on Bioshock, GTA and the new Civilizations game don't deserve our ire for what the jerks up top did. and what if DNF is released by them it would be horrible but I'm not going to lie I would buy it in a second even it I would literally cut off the words take two from the box and burn them, I want my DNF, that is all I got to say my little soap box speech.

True. When it's all said and done, no matter who the court rules in favor of, Take Two is still going to own the publishing rights. I don't think any judge would dispute that. Unless 3DR is able to cough up funds to buy the rights back and Take Two agrees to that, I think (and this is my opinion of course) that if DNF ever sees the light of day, it will be with Take Two as the publisher.

In the meantime though, I know I'll think twice before picking up anything with the Take Two or 2Kgames logo on the label (I'm obstinate that way).

05-24-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hellchicken

Missing out on good games? I don't think so.

lol @ good games

the ****in video game industry is dead it's all dorky ****in trash now.

Blue Lightning · 05-24-2009, 08:16 AM

A.) As long as 3DRealms stays open and has even a tiny crew, no court will give the IP to Take Two. I doubt the original contact gave a release date for DNF, so the ball is in Georges court. It will make publishers think twice about contracts in the future though.

B.) 2k makes Bioshock II, not Take Two. Take Two owns 2k, but 2k has no say-so in Take Two's decisions.

C.) Am I to believe that there are players who will actually not buy Bioshock II because of this? Your loss, it is not going to hurt Take Two at all.

Derfernet · 05-24-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Lightning

A.) As long as 3DRealms stays open and has even a tiny crew, no court will give the IP to Take Two. I doubt the original contact gave a release date for DNF, so the ball is in Georges court. It will make publishers think twice about contracts in the future though.

B.) 2k makes Bioshock II, not Take Two. Take Two owns 2k, but 2k has no say-so in Take Two's decisions.

C.) Am I to believe that there are players who will actually not buy Bioshock II because of this? Your loss, it is not going to hurt Take Two at all.

no crew unless they partner with another dev: I believe all that's left by now is George and Scott. I'm not sure how that affects the court case.

Monkey Butler · 05-24-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Private420

that won't really hurt the people who deserve it...

I know I've said this before but nobody gave me a satisfactory answer. Why exactly do T2 deserve to be boycotted? They owe 3DR less than nothing, and just because 3DR came to them requesting money is no reason for them to actually shell out for a game that has been in development for well over a decade. It's 3DR's own fault that they couldn't fund a complete game, not T2's.

Blue Lightning · 05-24-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Derfernet

no crew unless they partner with another dev: I believe all that's left by now is George and Scott. I'm not sure how that affects the court case.

I read on one of these threads where people are still seeing cars in the 3D Realms parking lot. Also, George himself said he will retain a small core crew didnt he?

Derfernet · 05-24-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

I know I've said this before but nobody gave me a satisfactory answer. Why exactly do T2 deserve to be boycotted? They owe 3DR less than nothing, and just because 3DR came to them requesting money is no reason for them to actually shell out for a game that has been in development for well over a decade. It's 3DR's own fault that they couldn't fund a complete game, not T2's.

The press release, if it's to be believed, suggests that the lawsuit and the denial of funding/lowballing in a contract is/was an attempt by T2 to weasel into getting the Duke IP for next to nil. I'm pretty sure that's where the outrage comes from at least now.

Monkey Butler · 05-24-2009, 10:44 AM

T2 may or may not have tried to seize control of the IP, but that doesn't mean that they owed 3DR money. If we go by 3DR's press release, the two parties were working towards an agreement, which subsequently fell through. The reason the deal fell through is unknown, but the fact remains that "if you don't give us money we won't be able to finish the game" is absolutely no reason for T2 to commit to a deal that they didn't want to be a part of.

Derfernet · 05-24-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

T2 may or may not have tried to seize control of the IP, but that doesn't mean that they owed 3DR money. If we go by 3DR's press release, the two parties were working towards an agreement, which subsequently fell through. The reason the deal fell through is unknown, but the fact remains that "if you don't give us money we won't be able to finish the game" is absolutely no reason for T2 to commit to a deal that they didn't want to be a part of.

You claimed that people were upset because they refused 3DR money, I suggested an alternative. I didn't say that "they owed 3DR money" because of the alternative reason and I don't think anybody has.

Maelstrom · 05-24-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Derfernet

The press release, if it's to be believed, suggests that the lawsuit and the denial of funding/lowballing in a contract is/was an attempt by T2 to weasel into getting the Duke IP for next to nil. I'm pretty sure that's where the outrage comes from at least now.

And what's wrong with trying to snatch a good IP from the hands of a company that fails to deliver a good game out of it?
I think that, as DN fans, we should be grateful, for this could be our only chance at seeing DNF in our lifespan.
Sure, you could argue its.. erm.. not very appropiate, to take it for free or for very little money via legal procedures, but hey.. business is business

05-24-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Maelstrom

And what's wrong with trying to snatch a good IP from the hands of a company that fails to deliver a good game out of it?
I think that, as DN fans, we should be grateful, for this could be our only chance at seeing DNF in our lifespan.
Sure, you could argue its.. erm.. not very appropiate, to take it for free or for very little money via legal procedures, but hey.. business is business

take two could never do duke nukem game justice.

it wouldnt even be duke, it would be puke nukem.

bioshock proves take two's dev's suck large *******.

i mean bioshock originally wasnt part of take two but take two bought em now lol im sure they added some take two people to their team.

but they suck so bad they gotta hire digital extreme's original unreal creators to make sure multiplayer doesnt suck, lol they couldnt make it not suck themselves.

JamesCassidy · 05-24-2009, 01:48 PM

While $2.5 million dollars is nothing to scoff at, it is hardly the worlds most expensive game.

Grand Theft Auto 4 had a production budget pf $100 million dollars. Shemue, another game, cost $70 million. (source: http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/38...t-100M-To-Make)

Let us not forget that Take Two made GTA 4 as well. So, let's recap.

3D realms spent at most $2.5 million on DNF in development. (Unsure if all that money was spent JUST on the DNF game.) 3D realms asked for $5 million (if this is true) to complete the project which would put the cost of DNF under $10 million in development. (at least $10 million in what the company Take two would spend)

Any one else see the problem?

If Take Two was willing to spend $100 million on GTA 4, why didn't they give $10 million 3D realms to make DNF?

Chances are, they would have gained at least twice as much money back from the income of DNF to more than make up for it.

So I don't see any problems from Take two and I think they are just being whiny jerks about it.

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Originally Posted by bongjoker1920

i mean bioshock originally wasnt part of take two but take two bought em now lol im sure they added some take two people to their team.

but they suck so bad they gotta hire digital extreme's original unreal creators to make sure multiplayer doesnt suck, lol they couldnt make it not suck themselves.

Take two only bought the rights to publish the game, but they had no production in it. 2K Boston developed it.

SplatterHappy · 05-24-2009, 02:31 PM

I think it goes back to the bad blood between Take Two and 3D Realms. Back before 3DR sold the Max Payne IP, Take Two was under reporting sales on the one of the games (not sure if it was Max Payne I or II now) for which 3DR was getting moneys for each copy sold. Essentially they were cooking the books and 3DR caught them at it. Subsequently, Take Two and 4 of their senior executives were sued by the SEC for accounting fraud that apparently had been going on for 7 years:

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr19260.htm

It's my personal belief that 3DR's actions *might* have gotten the whole ball rolling on that (not sure because I don't have hard dates and facts about 3DR's catching Take Two red handed.. just information gleened from some comments Scott Miller made I believe), and that certain parties at Take Two didn't forget that and hold a grudge.

That's my conspiracy theory of the day.

SolarFlux · 05-24-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Derfernet

You claimed that people were upset because they refused 3DR money, I suggested an alternative. I didn't say that "they owed 3DR money" because of the alternative reason and I don't think anybody has.

Exactly, I think most people are mad because Take 2's lawsuit is a dick move. They aren't going to get money from 3dr, because apparently 3dr doesn't have any. They essentially killed the game and are suing for the intellectual property. at least that's my TAKE on it. I really doubt their lawsuit will be successful in any way, shape, or form. They've essentially killed DNF and probably damaged themselves financially, by killing any return on investment they would have gotten from the games release, and by incurring whatever legal fees they are willing to pay to sue 3dr for nothing - because I'm sure George or whomever would rather destroy the IP than hand it over to Take Two...

Thriller · 05-24-2009, 03:14 PM

If they release something I want, I´ll buy it. Sadly.

But also, you guys are way to quick here. Its just blind. We shoudnt really know what side to support yet. Im hoping to be able to take 3DRs side on this though.

Tualmasok · 05-24-2009, 05:17 PM

Take 2 publish some top games, why would I boycott those games just because 3DR ran out of money?

3dplayer · 05-24-2009, 08:55 PM

Why must the event take place so close to the finish line? The game is almost out and they pull the plug... You would think that they would give some sort of warning or settle this professionally but they literally said "**** you !" to every fan, and 3Dr in the way they did it !

Monkey Butler · 05-24-2009, 09:07 PM

Almost out? According to who?

Blue Lightning · 05-24-2009, 09:18 PM

(in regards to Bioshock):

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Originally Posted by JamesCassidy

Take two only bought the rights to publish the game, but they had no production in it. 2K Boston developed it.

Wrong. Ken Levine's "Irrational games" developed it. 2k published it. Before it's release, it got rave reviews from every magazene, so 2k bought out Irrational games and made Ken Levine the president...the day before Bioshock was released.

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Originally Posted by SplatterHappy

I think it goes back to the bad blood between Take Two and 3D Realms. Back before 3DR sold the Max Payne IP, Take Two was under reporting sales on the one of the games (not sure if it was Max Payne I or II now) for which 3DR was getting moneys for each copy sold. Essentially they were cooking the books and 3DR caught them at it. Subsequently, Take Two and 4 of their senior executives were sued by the SEC for accounting fraud that apparently had been going on for 7 years:

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr19260.htm

It's my personal belief that 3DR's actions *might* have gotten the whole ball rolling on that (not sure because I don't have hard dates and facts about 3DR's catching Take Two red handed.. just information gleened from some comments Scott Miller made I believe), and that certain parties at Take Two didn't forget that and hold a grudge.

That's my conspiracy theory of the day.

Mabey a lot more than a conspiracy theory...sounds like the reason Take Two is being so hard...payback.

rgnjc · 05-24-2009, 09:33 PM

It is 3D Realms' fault and 3D Realms' fault alone that DNF was not completed after 12 years. They are the developers, and they were in full control of the progress and development of the game.

I'd like to know exactly what they did from day to day for 12 years. I've always suspected the "when its done" saying was avoidance behavior for not setting deadlines, and this whole fiasco is my proof. Frankly, I'm glad they went belly up, anybody who thinks they can "work" on something for 12 years without a product or progress deserves to be fired...and the reason for this mess was George Broussard for not being a good team leader/boss.

IMO, developing a game is not brain surgery, nor does it take 12 years when your JOB is developing games. In the grand scheme of things, in the fields of science and technology, far greater things are accomplished in far less time than it took them to produce nothing in 12 years. 3D Realms alone was responsible, and while I'm sure it would have been a great product, 12 years is a shameful and embarrassing amount of time.

05-23-2009, 11:38 PM	#16
hellchicken Guest	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again Missing out on good games? I don't think so.

05-24-2009, 03:27 AM	#18
bongjoker1920 Guest	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again honestly i havent liked any game published by take two. they suck

05-22-2009, 12:08 PM	#1
3dplayer	I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again Who's with me ? They pulled the plug, ass *****s ! Last edited by 3dplayer; 05-22-2009 at 12:23 PM.*

05-22-2009, 12:12 PM	#2
Monkey Butler	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again It wasn't T2's plug to pull. If 3DR had asked you and you alone to personally raise $5 million to complete the game could we blame you?

05-22-2009, 12:36 PM	#4
Germany	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again I don't will miss Bioshock2 ! Comming fromT2.

05-22-2009, 02:07 PM	#5
Raoul Luigi	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again Unfortunately Take Two is one of the few game companies worth my money, its unfortunate they could not agree to dnf but alas I will still buy their games. __________________ "Luigi had taken his shirt off and was pouring beer on his chest. ... We had two bags of fire flowers, 75 mushrooms, five invincibility stars ... And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge winged turtles, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car ..." Gamertag - The Nefarious J

05-22-2009, 02:22 PM	#6
Drazula	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again I'll buy their games. I don't see what they did wrong. __________________ "I've been trying to change the world for years, but they just won't give me the source code." - Drazula

05-22-2009, 02:29 PM	#7
BloodWolf806	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again I'm with 3DR on this one, but your boycott will do nothing. I will buy Max Payne 3, any future GTAs, and many other Take 2 games. __________________ You're beautiful when you're DYIN'

05-22-2009, 03:55 PM	#8
SpinX	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again I will think twice of buying a take 2 game, thats for sure... FU take 2 __________________ waiting for: Elite sequel, Half life 3, Diablo3, DNF Enough is enough! I've had it with these motherxxxxxx delays on this motherxxxxxx game :) http://www.youtube.com/user/ftbfelix

05-22-2009, 04:25 PM	#9
Derfernet	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again I don't play any of their games. My boycott will do nothing. :[

05-23-2009, 03:49 AM	#12
Rider	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again Do we really need yet another thread for this discussion?? __________________ Duke4.net - Duke's OTHER home. HeadbangersFM - The station that keeps your head banging! ------------- She's pretty, not "damn-she's-making-my-noodle-dance-samba"-pretty, but still very pretty... - Micki!

05-23-2009, 04:20 AM	#13
Babe	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again I baught Bioshock and GTA IV. Will not buy anything from them again if they dont release DNF.

05-24-2009, 03:30 AM	#19
gungriffon geona	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again so if they changed their name to gamejerky buttplug incorporated, you'd unknowingly buy their stuff if you thought it was good. Glad to know you care so much, your observational skills are important to us! Have a nice day!

05-24-2009, 08:16 AM	#23
Blue Lightning	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again A.) As long as 3DRealms stays open and has even a tiny crew, no court will give the IP to Take Two. I doubt the original contact gave a release date for DNF, so the ball is in Georges court. It will make publishers think twice about contracts in the future though. B.) 2k makes Bioshock II, not Take Two. Take Two owns 2k, but 2k has no say-so in Take Two's decisions. C.) Am I to believe that there are players who will actually not buy Bioshock II because of this? Your loss, it is not going to hurt Take Two at all.

05-24-2009, 10:44 AM	#28
Monkey Butler	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again T2 may or may not have tried to seize control of the IP, but that doesn't mean that they owed 3DR money. If we go by 3DR's press release, the two parties were working towards an agreement, which subsequently fell through. The reason the deal fell through is unknown, but the fact remains that "if you don't give us money we won't be able to finish the game" is absolutely no reason for T2 to commit to a deal that they didn't want to be a part of.

05-24-2009, 02:31 PM	#33
SplatterHappy	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again I think it goes back to the bad blood between Take Two and 3D Realms. Back before 3DR sold the Max Payne IP, Take Two was under reporting sales on the one of the games (not sure if it was Max Payne I or II now) for which 3DR was getting moneys for each copy sold. Essentially they were cooking the books and 3DR caught them at it. Subsequently, Take Two and 4 of their senior executives were sued by the SEC for accounting fraud that apparently had been going on for 7 years: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr19260.htm It's my personal belief that 3DR's actions might have gotten the whole ball rolling on that (not sure because I don't have hard dates and facts about 3DR's catching Take Two red handed.. just information gleened from some comments Scott Miller made I believe), and that certain parties at Take Two didn't forget that and hold a grudge. That's my conspiracy theory of the day. __________________ "They say everyone gets their 15 minutes of fame. What they don't tell you is that 12 of those minutes are a rectal exam." - John Oliver - "The Daily Show"

05-24-2009, 03:14 PM	#35
Thriller	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again If they release something I want, I´ll buy it. Sadly. But also, you guys are way to quick here. Its just blind. We shoudnt really know what side to support yet. Im hoping to be able to take 3DRs side on this though. __________________ As a previous owner of member number 404, I obviously dont know what the hell Im talking about. -------------------- "I GOT PLASTERED!" - Drazula "I thought everyone i Sweden looked like Duke Nukem...." - GreedyFly 2001

05-24-2009, 05:17 PM	#36
Tualmasok	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again Take 2 publish some top games, why would I boycott those games just because 3DR ran out of money?

05-24-2009, 08:55 PM	#37
3dplayer	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again Why must the event take place so close to the finish line? The game is almost out and they pull the plug... You would think that they would give some sort of warning or settle this professionally but they literally said "**** you !" to every fan, and 3Dr in the way they did it ! Last edited by 3dplayer; 05-24-2009 at 08:59 PM.

05-24-2009, 09:07 PM	#38
Monkey Butler	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again Almost out? According to who?

05-24-2009, 09:33 PM	#40
rgnjc	Re: I am never knowingly going to buy anything from Take 2 EVER again It is 3D Realms' fault and 3D Realms' fault alone that DNF was not completed after 12 years. They are the developers, and they were in full control of the progress and development of the game. I'd like to know exactly what they did from day to day for 12 years. I've always suspected the "when its done" saying was avoidance behavior for not setting deadlines, and this whole fiasco is my proof. Frankly, I'm glad they went belly up, anybody who thinks they can "work" on something for 12 years without a product or progress deserves to be fired...and the reason for this mess was George Broussard for not being a good team leader/boss. IMO, developing a game is not brain surgery, nor does it take 12 years when your JOB is developing games. In the grand scheme of things, in the fields of science and technology, far greater things are accomplished in far less time than it took them to produce nothing in 12 years. 3D Realms alone was responsible, and while I'm sure it would have been a great product, 12 years is a shameful and embarrassing amount of time.