Remade music to be included?

[Searinox]

Mark McWane's already remade the most of it, and it sounds damn good too. There's also several other fanmade tracks. Whaddya think? Could we ditch the midis once and for all and compile a suite of true, orchestrated music for the game? I haven't seen talk about it since I've joined, but I'm sure it must have been discussed in the past. I'm just surprised it hasn't happened yet. Is it planned for DN3D's future?

[Lord Misfit]

The main issue at the moment is someone being able to finish their mission to program a new sound engine or something along that line for EDuke. JonoF is/was working on JfAud, which for a long time everyone else was waiting on to come out, but Hunter_rus has also appearantly decided to take matters into his own hands, at least to some extent. People have been wanting both use of MP3/OGG and higher quality sound for a while, so you're not alone. I wouldn't mind it either to be honest, but I can for now use Winamp when I test my own mod. :P

P.S. Some of my info might be rusty and I apologize if I got anything wrong.

[NightFright]

Hmmm... I am wondering whether a music pack should be integrated into current HRP or rather be offered as a separate file as some kinda add-on. It would increase HRP filesize considerably. It wouldn't be a problem for the majority of DSL users, but I am also thinking of the 56k users still spooking around out there...

[Searinox]

Originally Posted by NightFright

Hmmm... I am wondering whether a music pack should be integrated into current HRP or rather be offered as a separate file as some kinda add-on. It would increase HRP filesize considerably. It wouldn't be a problem for the majority of DSL users, but I am also thinking of the 56k users still spooking around out there...

If a 56K user wants HRP without the music "bloat" they still wouldn't be able to download the existing 220MB pack in the first place. XD And anyone who doesn't want it can just download the old version. ^.=.^

All in all I'd say zip it into the Autoload folder - that way it stays fair for everyone.

Either way, the most tedious part - remaking the music - has been done, long ago. All it needs now is to incorporate some freeware, open-source mp3/ogg/whatever engine.

[Hunter_rus]

Two weeks are passed and the OpenAL still is not ready.

That isn't that complex but I haven't had much time to work at it last week.
HERE is a new snapshot. It has all features which I was going to implement.
Status(todo): reverb(no need for now?),error handling,optimizing,cleaning up.

About features(that is done).
Improved "music" command:
Support OpenAL:VOC,WAV,OGG;
Support MIDI:MID.
No size limit anymore.

Improved "definesound" command:
Support OpenAL:VOC,WAV,OGG;
N.B. Sound should be mono. The EDuke32 can convert to mono but it takes more resources.

Implemented DEF override.
Format is differ from one of the "eDuke32 Music Pack". See sounds.def(it is a example)
The "eDuke32 Music Pack" may be alive at megaupload. LINK

About reverb(echo).
It seems it never works for EDuke. I did not hear the effect in EDuke but I did hear the effect in duke3d.exe(DOS).
So it doesn't work in EDuke and doesn't work in my snapshot aswell.
You can see locations of reverb zone via ShowReverb.exe. It need only *.map files. Key 'A' to open map.

About MP3.
There is no problem to add support for it but MP3 is kinda patented technology. I haven't studied the license yet but there may be some limitations.

About [misc.]
I have headphones so I don't know if sound is properly located. For example, sound may be in front instead of behind.

Originally Posted by NightFright

Hmmm... I am wondering whether a music pack should be integrated into current HRP or rather be offered as a separate file as some kinda add-on. It would increase HRP filesize considerably. It wouldn't be a problem for the majority of DSL users, but I am also thinking of the 56k users still spooking around out there...

1. It could be a separate pack because I think the music won't be revised often.
2. Size of HRP can be reduced by implementing the palmap. EDuke32 are using ARB extension for the glowmap and the detailmap. I'm not sure ARB is enough flexible for the palmap. Complex blending always can be done via shaders.

[NightFright]

If it just were a matter of 2 weeks... it's much more than 1.5 years now, almost two. compatible48x (the late) had proven MP3 music is possible without having OpenAL in place. Too bad he acted foolishly.

And BTW: I have uploaded a 20-files split version of the HRP, for those who haven't noticed yet. So there is still a chance for 56k guys to get it.

[lycanox]

We currently have 2 artist working on the music. I don't know about the status of those projects. But they at least should have some songs ready.

Mark Mcwane has already completed one complete pack and is currently working on its second. Pete Has released some good songs, but we haven't heard from him for a while.
Add to that that there are currently a zillion versions of mostly grab bag circulating on the forum and last but not least, the Plutonium CD.

It would be better if we just collect all those songs and post links to them on the music page. So people can have a choice.

Aldo I must seriously recommend hosting the songs posted on the forum, since everything past page 3 gets deleted by 3drealms. Some good songs have been lost that way.

[Searinox]

Wow I only posted it as a question and already projects start coming in... I feel special. XD
Just kidding. Great work guys. I still couldn't get my talons on the music package, and I'm NOT ganna be installing their toolbar for them to let me. >.=.>;

I have all of Mark's tracks though and maybe I could compile it myself. Just tell me - do his soundtracks need to have the names that the original midi soundtrack has?

[Hunter_rus]

Originally Posted by NightFright

...compatible48x (the late) had proven MP3 music is possible without having OpenAL in place.

DirectSound and OpenAL actually support only unpacked raw samples. So MP3 support requires only the MP3 decoder(algorithm which convert MP3 to standard unpacked raw samples). But here is problem with legality. See here(look for MP3).

Originally Posted by lycanox

Aldo I must seriously recommend hosting the songs posted on the forum, since everything past page 3 gets deleted by 3drealms. Some good songs have been lost that way.

I don't think they are all lost.
You could adjust cut off at "User CP->Edit Options->Thread Display Options->Default Thread Age Cut Off".

EDIT

Originally Posted by Searinox

I have all of Mark's tracks though and maybe I could compile it myself. Just tell me - do his soundtracks need to have the names that the original midi soundtrack has?

Music { ID "briefing" file "Briefing.ogg" } // using Briefing.ogg
Music { ID "E1L2" } // look for "dethtoll.ogg"(because original is "dethtoll.mid")

[Searinox]

Oh crap! I have them in MP3 not OGG. I've got a converter but I'm too lazy to repeat the process with all 40 tracks. o.=.O;

[Hunter_rus]

McWane's tracks are available here. Also OGG is smaller then MP3.

[Wellenreiter]

Originally Posted by Hunter_rus

Two weeks are passed and the OpenAL still is not ready.

That isn't that complex but I haven't had much time to work at it last week.
HERE is a new snapshot. It has all features which I was going to implement.
Status(todo): reverb(no need for now?),error handling,optimizing,cleaning up.

About features(that is done).
Improved "music" command:
Support OpenAL:VOC,WAV,OGG;
Support MIDI:MID.
No size limit anymore.
[snip]

Hmmm, this sort of works. Music plays fine, but all sounds are heavily distorted. Also, at first I didn't have grabbag.ogg, so I think it tried to play the midi instead, and that was heavily distorted, too. Maybe my sound card(Sound Blaster Live!) is not completely compatible with OpenAl?

[Hankparish]

Eh probly

(or is my sound card so bad that it makes the distoreted music so clear lol)

[Wellenreiter]

Strange, tried it again, this time with onboard sound. Which works fine. So it is sort of a driver issue, but I have no problems with other games...

Hanparish, note that music was not the problem anyway.

[Blade Nightflame]

Originally Posted by Searinox

Oh crap! I have them in MP3 not OGG. I've got a converter but I'm too lazy to repeat the process with all 40 tracks. o.=.O;

batch processing ftw.

[Hunter_rus]

About distortion.

I need more info:
Which Windows?
Which format(OGG,VOC,WAV)? MID is played by MIDI not OpenAL.
Which file(if you know)?

Here is a snapshot which uses the "generic software" device.

[Blade Nightflame]

Just started to test this.

You ****ing rock.

[Wellenreiter]

Originally Posted by Hunter_rus

About distortion.

I need more info:
Which Windows?
Which format(OGG,VOC,WAV)? MID is played by MIDI not OpenAL.
Which file(if you know)?

Here is a snapshot which uses the "generic software" device.

This 'generic snapshot' actually works fine! Nice!

Concerning the earlier snapshot:
Win XP SP2
Music format is .OGG, but they worked fine, sounds are .voc(didn't fiddle about with them). Sorry, I was mistaken about the midi files being distorted too.
Actually ALL sounds are distorted and noisy! eduke32.log doesn't seem to show anything helpful, but I can still upload it if you like.

I actually have two sound "cards" in my system, one being the soundblaster live! (for everything, standard device), and the other being the integrated sound chip, which I only use for music on my stereo. Also, I don't use the standard driver for the live!, but an Audigy2 driver(I think). This setup didn't make any problems before. I also downloaded the OpenAL driver from creative, didn't make a difference. "Use only standard device"(live!) didn't make any difference, but it worked fine with making the integrated chip the standard device.

[Searinox]

I'm running on Windows Vista, and I know the sound's distorted. If I pop it into VMware where I have Windows ME it sounds fine. Is this sound engine upgrade also going to solve Vista problems?

Random: 233 Degrees, Ah Geez, Pissed Office Box, and Layers Of Dust sound keeeeeeeewl! @@;;;

[NightFright]

Currently, the sound engine at least partially utilizes DirectSound which isn't existing in Vista any more. That's why you have sound problems. OpenAL is a cross-platform API, so yes, it would solve sound issues in Vista.

[Hunter_rus]

Sorry, thing are going very slow. I think I will soon have more time to work on it.
Here are some explanations:

EDuke32:
DirectSound: VOC, WAV
MIDI device: MID
EDuke32_OpenAL:
OpenAL: VOC, WAV, OGG
MIDI device: MID

Resume:
MID-files are played by MIDI device not by DirectSound/OpenAL. I changed nothing here. If Vista don't have proper support for MIDI device, the problem will remain. Possible solution: using OGG music instead of MID.

[NightFright]

Did you make it so that you have to name the MP3/OGG files after the original MIDIs in order to play the right tracks in the levels automatically (when you put them in a separate folder, e.g. "music")? compatible48x did that and it worked quite well.

Hope you use latest EDuke32 snapshot (Sep 1) for your mod, btw... And don't forget to make your sourcecode changes available (on demand, at least)!

BTW I want to (repeatedly) hint at Mark Knight's excellent renderings of the Duke3D Playstation soundtrack which also contain several tracks from the PC version: http://www.gamesounds.co.uk/downloads.html

[Hunter_rus]

Originally Posted by NightFright

Did you make it so that you have to name the MP3/OGG files after the original MIDIs in order to play the right tracks in the levels automatically

If file isn't specified, EDuke32 try to use same file with OGG extension.
See "sounds.def".
Also the files can be loaded from ZIP,GRP.

Originally Posted by NightFright

Hope you use latest EDuke32 snapshot (Sep 1) for your mod

Yes, I do.

Originally Posted by NightFright

And don't forget to make your sourcecode changes available (on demand, at least)!

I have no reason to forget about it. I can release it at any time but don't want bother someone to finish it. I had been going to finish everything before I became busy(week ago) but I was unlucky. I'll try finish tomorrow(it's Sunday) or at least prepare the source code changes(a patch).

[Searinox]

Originally Posted by Hunter_rus

MID-files are played by MIDI device not by DirectSound/OpenAL. I changed nothing here. If Vista don't have proper support for MIDI device, the problem will remain. Possible solution: using OGG music instead of MID.

I figured as much. Must be why the only thing that sounds clearly in the game is the background music, LOL. That means that if I switch to OGG music it's ganna sound bad again. XD

Btw, a while ago there was an OpenAL proof-of-concept in a thread I seem to have forgotten about. XD It contained an EDuke32 and a few files which, added into the game, solved all of the crackling on Vista. The engine wasn't able to display more than 8-bit graphics and crashed on exit, but it proved that it was possible.

Btw NightFright thanks for the link, mk_nukem_grabbag sounds just plain awesome! <3

[Hunter_rus]

Do you have distorted sound on Windows Vista or XP...
1. ...when you are using DirectSound EDuke32?
2. ...when you are using "hardware" OpenAL EDuke32?
3. ...when you are using "software" OpenAL EDuke32?

[Searinox]

Originally Posted by Hunter_rus

Do you have distorted sound on Windows Vista or XP...
1. ...when you are using DirectSound EDuke32?
2. ...when you are using "hardware" OpenAL EDuke32?
3. ...when you are using "software" OpenAL EDuke32?

That's strange... now neither the hardware nor software OpenALs provide any sound. All I can hear is the music, no sound effects. And if I try to start a level it freezes.

[Hunter_rus]

Freezing means, a error happed during opening a sound but hasn't been handled(error handling isn't done). Show me a log. Most likely problem in DEF.

[Searinox]

Originally Posted by Hunter_rus

Freezing means, a error happed during opening a sound but hasn't been handled(error handling isn't done). Show me a log. Most likely problem in DEF.

Here ya go.

[Wellenreiter]

Windows XP...

1. No (latest snapshot)
2. Yes
3. No

[Searinox]

Originally Posted by Wellenreiter

Windows XP...

1. No (latest snapshot)
2. Yes
3. No

Windows Vista, yes, latest snapshot.

[NightFright]

Can you also replace music that's VOC in the game (e.g. the E1L2 bar music or the level ending tune) with MP3s like the ones made by Mark Knight? That'll be great!

Plus: How do you setup the game to use OGG?

[Hunter_rus]

That's BAR_MUSIC(ID=95). It can be overridden.
But MP3 isn't supported. I pointed out the reason.

See "sounds.def". It's in the old "hardware" OpenAL snapshot

sound { ID  67 file "gasp.voc" } // sound override
sound { ID 202 file "gasp.voc" } // give money to stripper(not to striper)

Also you can edit USER.CON.
Sound can be OGG,WAV,VOC.
Music can be OGG,WAV,VOC, MID.

[NightFright]

And where to put the OGGs? In a "music" subdir or where? Are they used automatically then?

You see: Your goal should probably also be to make it as easy to use as the version compatible48x made.

[Hunter_rus]

If filename isn't specified, EDuke32 looks for files in the game folder.

But if filename is specified then DEFs work almost same way as HRP content.
It is possible to make "MusicHRP.zip":

highres\music.def"(this file is already in duke3d_hrp.zip, used as stub).

highres\music\CF.ogg 
highres\music\Depart.ogg 
highres\music\DethToll.ogg 
highres\music\FatCmdr.ogg 
highres\music\Floghorn.ogg 
highres\music\FuturMil.ogg 
...

File "music.def"

Sound {ID 95 file "highres/music/bar_music.ogg" }

Music { ID "intro" file "highres/music/intro.ogg"}
Music { ID "briefing" file "highres/music/Briefing.ogg" }

// EPISODE ONE

Music { ID "E1L1" file "highres/music/1.ogg" }
Music { ID "E1L2" file "highres/music/2.ogg" }
Music { ID "E1L3" file "highres/music/3.ogg" }
Music { ID "E1L4" file "highres/music/4.ogg" }
Music { ID "E1L5" file "highres/music/5.ogg" }
Music { ID "E1L6" file "highres/music/6.ogg" }
Music { ID "E1L7" file "highres/music/7.ogg" }
...

Originally Posted by NightFright

Are they used automatically then?

Yes, they are. It will be possible to disable/enable DEFs override during game like disabling/enabling models.

[NightFright]

Also need IDs for
- 2BWILD (E2L1 bar music)
- BONUS (level stats)

I will then create a new music pack with all stuff preset for you modified exe.

[Hunter_rus]

Borntobewildsnd 168
Bonusmusic 249

[NightFright]

OK. One issue right now, then:

"Briefing" (Ep4 opening cinematic) crashes on level startup when music file is named "briefing.ogg". Works fine when named/defined as "brief.ogg", however.

[Hunter_rus]

There is a new snapshot.

• File "duke3d.cfg" have a option "HardwareAL = 0".
• Improved error handling.
• Improved format for DEFs(no need to specify filename), see "sounds.def".
• No freezing(I hope so).

[Dennis J]

I'd like to try this out, but where can i get the music (other than the theme song "GrabBag", I'll rip that myself from the plutonium CD.)

[NightFright]

On my site, v1.0 of the NEW music mod is available. It contains:

+ full ogg soundtrack, featuring
- "Stalker" by PeteB
- "Grabbag", "2bWild", "Bonus" & "BarMusic" by Mark Knight (http://www.gamesounds.co.uk)
- all other music by Mark McWane (http://www.markmcwane.com)

+ EDuke32 music mod by Hunter_rus, latest snapshot (Sep 23)

Everything is set so that you just need to unzip the file into your EDuke32 base dir, overwriting old "eduke32.exe". Then start the game as usual and you are set, new music pack will be loaded automatically.

Credit is given to the appropriate artists and makers in the provided readme btw.