3d realms steam pack

glennman94 · 04-27-2008, 11:55 AM

Would a 3d realms steam pack be a good idea.
I really think it's a good idea because you don't see your cd's/dvd's get ****** up with scratches and stuff because it's all on your computer.
And I have the Id software pack on steam to with all those old games like doom and heretic and hexen and they run fine. You don't need to mess around with dosbox and stuff because steam does it for you.
I already have prey on steam and I would really buy the full 3d realms pack even if it were 100$ (75 euro's

).
I really hope to see such a pack in the future.

Rellik66 · 04-27-2008, 12:06 PM

Joe pretty much answered this in another thread:

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Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

...That won't happen. Rights for all these old games are a real mess. This is not new, it's been discussed numerous times - and the msgs in this forum go back 10 years now.

If we were to repackage the titles and offer them in a compilation it would require renegotiation of the contract. There's so many different authors wanting their piece of the pie (rightfully so), that to compensate all of them would mean the actual profit on the thing would be so small, it wouldn't be worth it for the extremely niche market that product would sell in.

Almost all of our games are either still for sale, or are already released as freeware (that can be anyway), so as much as I would like to see this happen, I don't see it happening.

Obviously the short answer is NO.

glennman94 · 04-27-2008, 12:14 PM

That's stupid cause I know that alot of people would like a 3d realms pack on steam.
3d realms could make a whole lot of money of it just like ID software.
And why the hell is prey on steam when others aren't?
Doom and that kind of stuff are freeware to and I still payed money for it on steam, Good tactic to earn more money if you ask me.

Qbix · 04-27-2008, 01:08 PM

i think you are confusing the words reality and stupid.

Rellik66 · 04-27-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by glennman94

And why the hell is prey on steam when others aren't?

If you look at the Prey steam page, you will notice that 3DR is mentioned nowhere, only Humanhead and 2K Games are there. So it follows that it wasn't 3DR's decision to put Prey on steam.

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Doom and that kind of stuff are freeware to and I still payed money for it on steam, Good tactic to earn more money if you ask me.

You don't understand the concept of freeware, Doom is not freeware, sure the source code was released, but you still need to pay for the full game. Same goes for Duke Nukem 3d.

Damien_Azreal · 04-27-2008, 01:48 PM

PREY was placed on STEAM as a way of making the game playable for those who purchased it through Triton. After Triton went belly up players who had bought the game online through them.... couldn't play it.

2K arranged for a deal through STEAM so people with CD-keys for PREY would be allowed to play the game.

Xonic · 05-16-2008, 07:18 AM

I'm fine with playing the games standalone. Duke Nukem 3D and the likes can still be ordered from 3D Realm's store.

And I always make backup copies of the games I buy in case I should break them. I think you should do the same if you moan about your game cd's getting scratched. Always keep a backup copy somewhere.

fast-1 · 05-19-2008, 11:49 AM

Is it okay to make a back-up copy of any PC game on a CDR or what ?

One thing I do not like about STEAM they can cause a blue screen.

Superczar · 05-20-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fast-1

Is it okay to make a back-up copy of any PC game on a CDR or what ?

One thing I do not like about STEAM they can cause a blue screen.

You can back up your Steam games yes.

Joe Siegler · 05-24-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fast-1

One thing I do not like about STEAM they can cause a blue screen.

This seems silly. Like Steam is the fault here? Like Steam is the only thing that could possibly cause a blue screen? OH NO! The program might crash - I won't use it. Guess you won't use ANY program, then.

fast-1 · 05-25-2008, 02:17 PM

There are other programs on my PC that cause blue screens, all can be fixed with patches. I will wait for Steam to get more reliable. I do use the software.

jbailey · 05-25-2008, 06:04 PM

The worst steam has done on my computers is run a little slow at times,
a patch was released and now steam runs just fine. Enable crash debugging
in your pc properties window and download windbg, the next time you get a
bluescreen, restart your pc, run windbg, point to the crash/debug file and
type in:

!analyze -v

scroll to the bottom of the trace, and usually you find what file has caused
the problem, the last time this happened to me it was buggy video
drivers..

alexgk · 05-25-2008, 11:42 PM

Actually I've had no problems with Steam... I'm a lucky bastard

ShadeEX · 05-26-2008, 07:01 AM

The only BIG problem I've had with steam so far was when the steam servers downed.

And I couldn't log in because of that, not even in off-line mode..

Other than that I've been kicked from steamchat with a server unavailable.. But that's probably only during Valve's ruitine server checkups..

So I'm not really worried about anything steam related ATM..

Phayzon · 05-26-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by alexgk

Actually I've had no problems with Steam... I'm a lucky bastard

Same here

avatar_58 · 05-27-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadeEX

The only BIG problem I've had with steam so far was when the steam servers downed.

And I couldn't log in because of that, not even in off-line mode..

Is your info saved to the PC? If so that shouldn't happen. You can test it by unplugging your network cable or disabling the network card. If you save your info then it should work just fine.

Joe Siegler · 05-27-2008, 08:54 AM

OK, let's not turn this into a Steam support thread, eh? That's not what this forum is for.

alexgk · 05-27-2008, 12:17 PM

Even a Duke Nukem pack isn't possible?

Joe Siegler · 05-27-2008, 12:56 PM

There's only four eligible titles. One of them is in legal hell. Not much of a pack.

SpinX · 05-27-2008, 03:10 PM

Raptor would become a new hit now (if put in an casual gaming context), with the whole casual gaming thingie going on these days in pc-land...

Superczar · 05-27-2008, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

There's only four eligible titles. One of them is in legal hell. Not much of a pack.

Which one?

Joe Siegler · 05-27-2008, 08:34 PM

Uh, this is nothing new - you've been around these forums long enough to know this.

Go read the section on legal status. Nothing that I'm aware of has changed since then.

Superczar · 05-27-2008, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Uh, this is nothing new - you've been around these forums long enough to know this.

Go read the section on legal status. Nothing that I'm aware of has changed since then.

Nope didn't know that Joe, remember around 2004 was when I wasn't around much anymore...

alexgk · 05-27-2008, 11:27 PM

You could add DNF to the other 3:

DUKE NUKEM RADIOACTIVE PACK

Malgon · 05-28-2008, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Uh, this is nothing new - you've been around these forums long enough to know this.

Go read the section on legal status. Nothing that I'm aware of has changed since then.

Didn't know that.

Phayzon · 06-04-2008, 08:19 PM

I didnt know that either. I actually was about to guess DN1 with the whole Nukem, Nukum, Nuk'em, etc. thing

ShadowsWake · 08-01-2008, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Uh, this is nothing new - you've been around these forums long enough to know this.

Go read the section on legal status. Nothing that I'm aware of has changed since then.

Oh my god. . .I just chekced that out, and all I can say to the following quote. . .

"Scott & I tried to contact them about either getting the rights back so we could sell it ourselves, or just releasing it as freeware. Unfortunately, said company "isn't interested in dealing with us"

That is F*CKED up, man! The bankrupcy people won't even let a duke nukem game be realesed to Dukes original creators? That's like keeping a son from being reunited with his dad! That's just sad.

On another note, what about releasing a steam pack with Duke3D atomic ediotn, and the expansions, lifes a beach, Duke it out in DC, and. . whatever that third one was. I'm assuming that could be a probablem because the expansions were made by sunstorm interactive, but who knows, maybe they'd go for it.

Joe Siegler · 08-01-2008, 08:09 AM

We don't own the rights to the expansions. Can't release them.

sb742 · 08-01-2008, 08:56 AM

Unfortunately, that is the problem from not making your games in house.

Hmm...that wikipedia page is an interesting read. I doubt the situation will be resolved anytime soon, especially if the following is 3D Realm's position (since it would be kicked out of court before the preliminaries even began).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

So DNMP is in rights hell, unfortunately. I would wager being the folks who "are" Duke Nukem, we could probably fight that and get the rights back, but it wouldn't be worth it, really. A lot of court costs just to release a game as freeware, or sell it when it didn't sell much in the first place.

efg · 08-11-2008, 05:25 PM

I really don't want to bump this thread since it is addressing ancient issues.

Is there anyway we could force new members to read the threads regarding these topics? A Clockwork Orange-esque forced reading scene comes to mind.

Joe Siegler · 08-24-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sb742

Unfortunately, that is the problem from not making your games in house.

If you look at the entire list of games we've been involved with, only a total of FOUR were done completely in house. Those being Rise of the Triad, Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior, & Duke Nukem Forever. Some of the ancient stuff might qualify too, like Scott Miller's solo games, but I don't think that's in the true spirit of the question.

We've released more than that as freeware. I've been able to get permission from people to release as freeware, but it's not always up to us.

81 Z28 · 08-24-2008, 06:11 PM

So who else helped make Duke Nukem 3D?

Scotty · 08-24-2008, 06:29 PM

If I remember correctly, Ken Silverman worked from home, with a few visits to 3DR HQ.

Joe Siegler · 08-24-2008, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 81 Z28

So who else helped make Duke Nukem 3D?

Wow. I'm a dumbass. I didn't put that on the list.

Superczar · 08-24-2008, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Wow. I'm a dumbass. I didn't put that on the list.

LOFL, yeah I read that before and was like "that ain't right?!"

Retodon8 · 08-25-2008, 09:51 AM

I thought Shadow Warrior wouldn't qualify, since it started out as a project by non-3DR people/company.
Hmmm, I'll have to look into this to see exactly what happened again.

Joe Siegler · 08-25-2008, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retodon8

I thought Shadow Warrior wouldn't qualify, since it started out as a project by non-3DR people/company.
Hmmm, I'll have to look into this to see exactly what happened again.

I worked here, what's there to look into? That makes it seem like you don't believe what I say, and want to independently look into it.

It was started by folks who had worked with us on previous projects (Frank Maddin, Crystal Caves & Jim Norwood, Bio Menace). As development moved on they were brought in house to work with our art people, etc, etc, etc....

Retodon8 · 08-25-2008, 11:01 AM

Of course I believe you.
If we can't believe you when it comes to things 3D Realms, who can we believe!

Thanks for the clarification.
I remember reading it was made by another company, unrelated to 3DR, that wasn't able to finish it for some undisclosed reason.
I never would've believed that if I'd known those names.
No idea where I read that any more though; long time ago.

04-27-2008, 01:08 PM	#4
Qbix DOSBox Advisor	Re: 3d realms steam pack i think you are confusing the words reality and stupid.

04-27-2008, 01:48 PM	#6
Damien_Azreal Super Moderator	Re: 3d realms steam pack PREY was placed on STEAM as a way of making the game playable for those who purchased it through Triton. After Triton went belly up players who had bought the game online through them.... couldn't play it. 2K arranged for a deal through STEAM so people with CD-keys for PREY would be allowed to play the game. __________________ Monolith Fanboy since 1997 Upcoming Anticipated Games: Doom, Shadow Warrior 2, Mafia III, DisHonored 2, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

05-27-2008, 08:54 AM	#17
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: 3d realms steam pack OK, let's not turn this into a Steam support thread, eh? That's not what this forum is for. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

05-27-2008, 12:56 PM	#19
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: 3d realms steam pack There's only four eligible titles. One of them is in legal hell. Not much of a pack. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

05-27-2008, 08:34 PM	#22
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: 3d realms steam pack Uh, this is nothing new - you've been around these forums long enough to know this. Go read the section on legal status. Nothing that I'm aware of has changed since then. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

04-27-2008, 11:55 AM	#1
glennman94	3d realms steam pack Would a 3d realms steam pack be a good idea. I really think it's a good idea because you don't see your cd's/dvd's get ****** up with scratches and stuff because it's all on your computer. And I have the Id software pack on steam to with all those old games like doom and heretic and hexen and they run fine. You don't need to mess around with dosbox and stuff because steam does it for you. I already have prey on steam and I would really buy the full 3d realms pack even if it were 100$ (75 euro's ). I really hope to see such a pack in the future. __________________ Most Wanted games: DNF, Prey 2, Shadow Warrior 2 (if it ever comes), Css 2, Portal 2, HL2 Ep3, and Doom 4 :D

04-27-2008, 12:14 PM	#3
glennman94	Re: 3d realms steam pack That's stupid cause I know that alot of people would like a 3d realms pack on steam. 3d realms could make a whole lot of money of it just like ID software. And why the hell is prey on steam when others aren't? Doom and that kind of stuff are freeware to and I still payed money for it on steam, Good tactic to earn more money if you ask me. __________________ Most Wanted games: DNF, Prey 2, Shadow Warrior 2 (if it ever comes), Css 2, Portal 2, HL2 Ep3, and Doom 4 :D

05-16-2008, 07:18 AM	#7
Xonic	Re: 3d realms steam pack I'm fine with playing the games standalone. Duke Nukem 3D and the likes can still be ordered from 3D Realm's store. And I always make backup copies of the games I buy in case I should break them. I think you should do the same if you moan about your game cd's getting scratched. Always keep a backup copy somewhere. __________________ Duke forever!

05-19-2008, 11:49 AM	#8
fast-1	Re: 3d realms steam pack Is it okay to make a back-up copy of any PC game on a CDR or what ? One thing I do not like about STEAM they can cause a blue screen. __________________ Ha what a day.:D

05-25-2008, 02:17 PM	#11
fast-1	Re: 3d realms steam pack There are other programs on my PC that cause blue screens, all can be fixed with patches. I will wait for Steam to get more reliable. I do use the software. __________________ Ha what a day.:D

05-25-2008, 06:04 PM	#12
jbailey	Re: 3d realms steam pack The worst steam has done on my computers is run a little slow at times, a patch was released and now steam runs just fine. Enable crash debugging in your pc properties window and download windbg, the next time you get a bluescreen, restart your pc, run windbg, point to the crash/debug file and type in: !analyze -v scroll to the bottom of the trace, and usually you find what file has caused the problem, the last time this happened to me it was buggy video drivers.. __________________ Download Winrott here: http://www.riseofthetriad.dk/DL_GlROTT.htm jbailey

05-25-2008, 11:42 PM	#13
alexgk	Re: 3d realms steam pack Actually I've had no problems with Steam... I'm a lucky bastard __________________ Playable demo this year! Confirmed!!

05-26-2008, 07:01 AM	#14
ShadeEX	Re: 3d realms steam pack The only BIG problem I've had with steam so far was when the steam servers downed. And I couldn't log in because of that, not even in off-line mode.. Other than that I've been kicked from steamchat with a server unavailable.. But that's probably only during Valve's ruitine server checkups.. So I'm not really worried about anything steam related ATM.. __________________ Quote: "In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluxuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data." My Youtube Page-My Website(Not updated yet)-My Other Blog

05-27-2008, 12:17 PM	#18
alexgk	Re: 3d realms steam pack Even a Duke Nukem pack isn't possible? __________________ Playable demo this year! Confirmed!!

05-27-2008, 03:10 PM	#20
SpinX	Re: 3d realms steam pack Raptor would become a new hit now (if put in an casual gaming context), with the whole casual gaming thingie going on these days in pc-land... __________________ waiting for: Elite sequel, Half life 3, Diablo3, DNF Enough is enough! I've had it with these motherxxxxxx delays on this motherxxxxxx game :) http://www.youtube.com/user/ftbfelix

05-27-2008, 11:27 PM	#24
alexgk	Re: 3d realms steam pack You could add DNF to the other 3: *DUKE NUKEM RADIOACTIVE PACK* __________________ Playable demo this year! Confirmed!! Last edited by alexgk; 05-29-2008 at 10:07 PM.

06-04-2008, 08:19 PM	#26
Phayzon	Re: 3d realms steam pack I didnt know that either. I actually was about to guess DN1 with the whole Nukem, Nukum, Nuk'em, etc. thing __________________ I made the first post on the VB! "So I guess the news here is that not only is Australia the last to get anything new in regard to videogames, they're also the first to get them taken away." - LeadBullet "We're part-time internet superheros." - Hudson

08-01-2008, 08:09 AM	#28
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: 3d realms steam pack We don't own the rights to the expansions. Can't release them. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

08-11-2008, 05:25 PM	#30
efg	Re: 3d realms steam pack I really don't want to bump this thread since it is addressing ancient issues. Is there anyway we could force new members to read the threads regarding these topics? A Clockwork Orange-esque forced reading scene comes to mind. __________________ I had something quite funny to put here, but i lost it.

08-24-2008, 06:11 PM	#32
81 Z28	Re: 3d realms steam pack So who else helped make Duke Nukem 3D? __________________ Gamertag: Cesko81 Playing: GTA IV, COD IV, Skate

08-24-2008, 06:29 PM	#33
Scotty	Re: 3d realms steam pack If I remember correctly, Ken Silverman worked from home, with a few visits to 3DR HQ.

08-25-2008, 09:51 AM	#36
Retodon8	Re: 3d realms steam pack I thought Shadow Warrior wouldn't qualify, since it started out as a project by non-3DR people/company. Hmmm, I'll have to look into this to see exactly what happened again. __________________ Retodon8 Sheep happens! Last edited by Joe Siegler; 08-25-2008 at 10:23 AM.

08-25-2008, 11:01 AM	#38
Retodon8	Re: 3d realms steam pack Of course I believe you. If we can't believe you when it comes to things 3D Realms, who can we believe! Thanks for the clarification. I remember reading it was made by another company, unrelated to 3DR, that wasn't able to finish it for some undisclosed reason. I never would've believed that if I'd known those names. No idea where I read that any more though; long time ago. __________________ Retodon8 Sheep happens!