Max Payne 3 Domain reserved by RS

[Ivan]

Sorry if it was already posted, But I just read that Rockstar Games reserved the domain www.maxpayne3.com.. I doubt they reserved it for no reason.

[ADM]

Umm....

Right.. ok now tell me honestly. You seriously don't think they paid all that money to have it end?

In other word in doesn't take a genious to figure out there will be a Max Payne 3.. or some sort of sequel to the Max Payne games.

[Ivan]

Well I knew there was going to be one... It Was Witten At The End Of The Credits, but the thing is that they already reserved it.. Thats just the need of the topic: inform people.

[maxey]

They registered it already in 2002

Domain Name: MAXPAYNE3.COM

Created on..............: Wed, May 29, 2002
Expires on..............: Sat, May 29, 2004
Record last updated on..: Thu, Nov 13, 2003

[Ivan]

How did you find this? That means I am a bit late. LOL, beside, I am still sure not many people knew it!

[Hypher]

probably by doing a WHOIS on it!


www.whois.com

looks like maxpayne4.com is reserved also. heh

edit: maxpayne5.com is free though

[Bruce Hamilton]

looks like maxpayne4.com is reserved also. heh

Yeah, by a squatter who'll probably try selling it for major $$.

[Hypher]

haha not if they don't make a 4th one. I think they would be wearing it thin anyway after a third.

or instead of numbers they get subtitles like www.maxpayneroots.com

[Mariamus]

*runs off to reserve Maxpayne5.com*

HAHAHA! MIINE!!

[Bruce Hamilton]

*runs off to reserve Maxpayne5.com*

Yoy might want to reserve SadiePayne.com as well...

[Ivan]

looks like maxpayne4.com is reserved also. heh

I don't actualy think they will make a fourth. Never 2 without 3, but always 3 without 4. It is a good thing, they reserved it anyway! They will have to reserve it again, cause it expires soon.

[Wamplet]

I think 4 is definitely overkill, just as much as 3 will be.

However this is supposedly supposed to be a franchise, like DNF is, I assume... so the onslaught of endless sequels cometh.

[Bruce Hamilton]

I think 4 is definitely overkill, just as much as 3 will be.

How many sequels were there for the Rambo and Rocky movies? Why should Max Payne and Duke Nukem be different?

I say milk the cash cow for all it's worth.

[Gognitti_Lives]

Well now we know for sure there will be one..I never had my doubts after hearing about the credits saying it (I've beaten this game but I looked in the credits and can't see that particular line). I think Rockstar will make sure to end this game right and won't let us down..cmon, have they ever recently?

[John Mirra]

How many sequels were there for the Rambo and Rocky movies? Why should Max Payne and Duke Nukem be different?

And why should it be the same as those examples?

Nothing prevents the MP franchise of being different, but what is the point, anyway? Why should more and more titles be released? What is it that MP3 will bring that neither MP1 or MP2 brought?

I say milk the cash cow for all it's worth.

I say thread lightly. Quite a number of gamers were disappointed with MP2, including me. I won't touch a would-be sequel if it isn't bringing anything new, and i personally know some people that think the same way. I don't think its a good idea to keep paying 50$ for following titles that carry the risk of not bringing anything new to the formula.

[Mixa]

You are too worried about the future. about 60% of people in forums thought what max payne 1 was dead-fish ( engine sucks, tc:s are canceled, people are leaving the forums... etc etc ) and what happened MP2: The fall of the max payne arrived and every one was happy again ( well allmost everyone ) and now you are having nightmares about max payne 3. Have no fear remedy is (somew)here. and I am sure that they will make another master-piece. besides mp1& 2 rules. I have played mp1 through about 30 times ( with mods of course, special thanks to ken y :-) and I am going to play mp2 through hmm atleast 20 times. of course everyone has their opions about games, but I have say that you are funny guy if you say: mp is load of B*****it . ANd I think that remedy has new ideas in mp3 new plot , characters , so on... only time reveals the answers ( and of course sam lake knows them already )...

[John Mirra]

I think its obvious that there will be a market for sequels. Hell, there's always a market for sequels, or else Final Fantasy wouldn't exist (even if they aren't technically sequels, each title just shares elements). The point, however, is that each direct sequel starts to water down the product until a point where the novelty and player interest will wear off. The sequel, in fact, doesn't really add much more to the game's formula - it bears some improvements in some areas, but most of them don't make the core game any better than the original. Thats why i'm reluctant about even considering buying yet another sequel to the games.

[Bruce Hamilton]

Quite a number of gamers were disappointed with MP2, including me. I won't touch a would-be sequel if it isn't bringing anything new...

The only thing that disappointed me about Max Payne 2 was changing Max from Sam Lake to whomever. As for it not bringing anything new...

Objects you can move around...
You get to play alongside Vinnie...
You get to play alongside Mona...
You get to play AS Mona...
In-game characters shoot bad guys for you...

And plenty others I'm sure I missed.

[John Mirra]

Y'know, there is an if in what i wrote for a good reason. Lets see you try and understand why its there.

Also, MP2 obviously has new things (i didn't said otherwise); it just doesn't add anything considerably new to the gameplay formula. Most of what is introduced, gameplaywise, if of marginal importance and is used very little. Controlling secondary NPCs is only done twice, and for the same purpose - protecting NPCs from damage (which is a good idea, but falls short). NPCs helping you in gunfights are worthless - the ones in the tenement barely help (if they don't die right away), and the ones who confuse you as one of their own are killed in a flash and don't even back you up (they just move forward).

Also, "Objects you can move around" don't matter, as they're not really helping. The ones that matter are the destructible ones, like explosive barrels or ammunition crates (which were shamelessly available in some parts of the game).

Oh, your forgot something more important than "playing alongside Vinnie" (how is that even important? ), and moving objects - secondary fire for weapons.

[Ivan]

"playing alongside Vinnie" (how is that even important? )

*looking around for Mariamus with a bloody chain-saw* A lot of people say that MP3 will suck, cause Sam lake is not writting it! WTF people! Give a chance to other writers. I agree Sam was great . I am sure RS will not make a crap of MP3, it is too important for them: $$$. I hope that they will keep the same face as MP2... And if it is before or between MP and MP2, maybe Sam Lake will play Max.. You never know.

I just think that there is no need to panic for the third one. Now everybody can be sure that there will be one. I just hope that they will stop with the third . A fourth would be too much. Have a nice day!

[John Mirra]

Besides the common knowledge of Mariamus'... er... "excentricity" or "feelings" (or whatever word exists for feelings towards fictional characters) she has for Vinnie, the game isn't improved by that. Its a totally unrelated and superfluous element. For the life of me i can't imagine someone rationally considering it important for the game.

Oh and... MP3 between MP1 and MP2? Why exactly? This tends to create storyline problems. Many problems. If its set between them, then whatever happened in MP3 would have to be mentioned in MP2, but we already know it doesn't. Not forgetting that MP2 is a direct sequel to MP1. Unless someone has the idea of using Mona. Which would be the only possibility i can see.

[Ivan]

Besides the common knowledge of Mariamus'... er... "excentricity" or "feelings" (or whatever word exists for feelings towards fictional characters) she has for Vinnie, the game isn't improved by that. Its a totally unrelated and superfluous element. For the life of me i can't imagine someone rationally considering it important for the game.

INDEED. Sorry Mariamus, but Proteting Vinnie was just not necessery for the storyline. He died because of Max. Max told him that they have to go to the FunHouse, and he didn't want. Vinnie is dead because of Max Payne. *takes a knife*

Oh and... MP3 between MP1 and MP2? Why exactly? This tends to create storyline problems. Many problems. If its set between them, then whatever happened in MP3 would have to be mentioned in MP2, but we already know it doesn't. Not forgetting that MP2 is a direct sequel to MP1. Unless someone has the idea of using Mona. Which would be the only possibility i can see.

Why wouldn't it be between. Look by yourself all the treads that are on that subject. I find this a great idea. We can discover how Vinnie and Vlad hate themselfs.. And so much more major things. I just found this possibility the best one. Creating other characthers will just mess more and more the story.

[John Mirra]

INDEED. Sorry Mariamus, but Proteting Vinnie was just not necessery for the storyline. He died because of Max.

Re-read what i wrote. I didn't say he wasn't important to the storyline. I said the event wasn't important for the overall gameplay. Protecting him is necessary for the storyline, but its not something that makes the game what it is.

Why wouldn't it be between.

You want another explanation?

MP2 is the direct successor of MP1. All events in MP2 are the direct cause of what happened in MP1. If you place MP3 between both, then all events in MP3 would need to influence MP2 (after all, MP2 would be the sequel to MP3). However the problem is this. MP2 is influenced by MP1. If MP3 is set between them, then whatever happens there will be rendered useless, because its sequel - MP2 - doesn't make any mention of it whatseoever, it only mentions MP1.

And i honestly don't think they'd waste an entire game just to emphasize the exploits of secondary characters like Vlad or Vinnie.

[Ivan]

Re-read what i wrote. I didn't say he wasn't important to the storyline. I said the event wasn't important for the overall gameplay. Protecting him is necessary for the storyline, but its not something that makes the game what it is.

Okay, it was important protecting him. In some way it wasn't that much, too. He would just have died. And after that?This doesn't change much the storliney from what really happened.

You want another explanation?

MP2 is the direct successor of MP1. All events in MP2 are the direct cause of what happened in MP1. If you place MP3 between both, then all events in MP3 would need to influence MP2 (after all, MP2 would be the sequel to MP3). However the problem is this. MP2 is influenced by MP1. If MP3 is set between them, then whatever happens there will be rendered useless, because its sequel - MP2 - doesn't make any mention of it whatseoever, it only mentions MP1.

And i honestly don't think they'd waste an entire game just to emphasize the exploits of secondary characters like Vlad or Vinnie.

To much MPs in this...Lets just say that MP influence MP2 and that both MP2 and MP will influence MP3.[/b] This is clear[/b]

Back to the main subject.

If they "reserved" www.maxpayne4.com, does this means, there will be one. If not: why did they reserved it?

[John Mirra]

To much MPs in this...Lets just say that MP influence MP2 and that both MP2 and MP will influence MP3.[/b] This is clear[/b]

You see, what you're forgetting is this: MP influences MP2 and MP3, but MP2 does not influence MP3, because MP3 is before, not after. You can't influence past events.

If they "reserved" www.maxpayne4.com, does this means, there will be one. If not: why did they reserved it?

Not necessarily. Rockstar, if i recall correctly, reserved from GTA4 to GTA6, but they may just be placeholders to reflect their ideas for future titles in the same universe, but not the main franchise itself (it could be for, say, a GTA4 game, and 2 expansions).

Please God, don't let MP4 happen

[Ivan]

You see, what you're forgetting is this: MP influences MP2 and MP3, but MP2 does not influence MP3, because MP3 is before, not after. You can't influence past events.

It is influencing it. If they put it between, the people developping it have to see what happens in MP2 and not in MP and explain it in MP3 that will be between.. so normaly it is influencing it. They cant make Max die at the end of the third cause in the second that is after the third, where max dies, he lives. It is influencing it!

[Ivan]

You see, what you're forgetting is this: MP influences MP2 and MP3, but MP2 does not influence MP3, because MP3 is before, not after. You can't influence past events.

It is influencing it. If they put it between, the people developping it have to see what happens in MP2 and not in MP and explain it in MP3 that will be between.. so normaly it is influencing it. They cant make Max die at the end of the third cause in the second that is after the third, where max dies, he lives. It is influencing it!

Please God, don't let MP4 happen

I am praying too for this not to happen. We never know. I just hope that they neither make an expension.*praying*

:EDIT: Where is John Mirra's post. It was on topic!
:EDIT: I learned my lesson. When you press submit and then stop while its submitting it, it does submit the post anyway! Mmmm sorry....

[John Mirra]

It is influencing it. If they put it between, the people developping it have to see what happens in MP2 and not in MP and explain it in MP3 that will be between.. so normaly it is influencing it.

You seem to be forgetting that, if MP3 is between both games already released, then it would be:

#1: MP1 ---> #2: MP3 ---> #3: MP2

In a chronological sense. Unlike what you said, MP1 has to be taken into account, because MP3 would be right after MP1 in terms of story, and right before MP2 - but MP2 suggests that there wasn't anything (at least, anything relevant) between MP1 and MP2.

And, the problem with this is - if you are creating a story with multiple chapters, then they have to follow a set of events in order. Or the story should be planned out in a way that it included the possibility of having some of its parts told out of order. To be more specific, MP2 is a direct sequel of MP1. If someone suddenly decides to shove more of the story in between two games which are already made, the problem is that the part of the story that is going to be shoved between, if not treated correctly, has the risk of not being a sequel to what came before (and we already know MP3 can't be a sequel to what happened in MP1 because that job belongs to MP2), and its not going to be a prequel to MPit either (because there is no mention in MP2 to events that happened in MP3).

If this still isn't enough to make my point...

[Ivan]

Ok what you say it is correct, and I agree. I think that if they do it between they can make it like a sequel. I mean up to know MP2 is the direct link from MP, but why not change it. Discover what happened between the two games, without screwing up all the the story. I would prefer to have MP3 between MP and MP2, rather then after MP2. I mean don't you want to discover what happened between. After MP2 would have to bring more characters. I think they should not creat other characters cause it will all mess up the story!

Do you understand my point?

[ADM]

In a perfect world there would be no more Max Payne.

2 games is enough in my opinion and it ends nicely.

However, having a 3rd one would be good, but having it before MP2 would just be plain stupid.

I don't want to know what happens in every single part of Max's life.. so to me not knowing what happened between MP1 and MP2 is good.

MP3 could be Max trying to get on with his life so he leaves the police force, he could be in a new family and have a son or something who becomes a cop.

His son ends up getting in more trouble then he needs and Max has to help him out and together solve the case and kill all the bad guys.

This way you have father and son team going against the bad guys.. and you could have Max actually die (for good this time) during the game.

Voila you have a whole new gaming franchise starring Max Payne Jr, which can get a whole new style of gameplay.. maybe more detective work rather then full guns blazing where you also have to rely on your fellow men.

[Ivan]

I don't like the idea. I mean that is not the Max Payne we know. I just don't see him hunting down Vinnie. Jr! It has to be Max Payne alone. Hunting alone. I don't want to protect an idiot kid of 10 years old while playing with payne.

My version, if they do MP3 after MP2 is:

Max has enough of his detective job at the NYPD, so he becomes a private detetive. One day there is a client, from the Inner Circle, that asks him something. And he has to hunt the bad guys all the game. At the end he dies.

It would be great to see Max die at the end. It would make a beautiful ending. I didn't quite understand why it is "the Fall of Max Payne".. He didn't die. Mona did. Maybe this title means that in MP3 he will no longer be a detective in the NYPD. I don't know. *prays that a fourth will not be made*

[Wamplet]

How many sequels were there for the Rambo and Rocky movies? Why should Max Payne and Duke Nukem be different?

Which is why they shouldn't. The only good ones were probably the first two in each series.

I say milk the cash cow for all it's worth.

If you milk a cow that long, you just end up with one giant sagging tit.

[Ivan]

Which is why they shouldn't.

I must say it would be horrible. They should make a third. And then an expension pack. I like games with expensions.. and developpers don't want me to hate their game!

[John Mirra]

Ok what you say it is correct, and I agree. I think that if they do it between they can make it like a sequel. I mean up to know MP2 is the direct link from MP, but why not change it. Discover what happened between the two games, without screwing up all the the story. I would prefer to have MP3 between MP and MP2, rather then after MP2. I mean don't you want to discover what happened between. After MP2 would have to bring more characters. I think they should not creat other characters cause it will all mess up the story!

Do you understand my point?

I had already understood it Its just that what exactly happened between MP1 and MP2 is... well, frankly, negligible. Max joined the force again. Mona's AWOL. And a gang war was being formed. But none of those events matter to Maxie's life until a certain point (until the warehouse and Annie Finn). In fact, they're so unimportant that MP2 doesn't even hint at them being important at all - hence why MP2 has the option to see what happened "previously on Max Payne", and it only points out the obvious - what happened previously was what happened in MP1.

Honestly, if there will be a MP3, i'd prefer it to be afterwards MP2, storywise.

[Ivan]

I had already understood it Its just that what exactly happened between MP1 and MP2 is... well, frankly, negligible. Max joined the force again. Mona's AWOL. And a gang war was being formed. But none of those events matter to Maxie's life until a certain point (until the warehouse and Annie Finn). In fact, they're so unimportant that MP2 doesn't even hint at them being important at all - hence why MP2 has the option to see what happened "previously on Max Payne", and it only points out the obvious - what happened previously was what happened in MP1.

Honestly, if there will be a MP3, i'd prefer it to be afterwards MP2, storywise.

I must agree, YOU win. I am now on the side of the people that think that it should be made after! But tell me how you want the story to be after.. I mean everyones dead beside max and bravura because they took "magical drugs".

I don't think the Max Payne, JR thing is a good idea for a third one. I like more mine. If it is after... I don't want to see a lot of new characters involed in the sotry. I would say 2 maximum. I still didn't got an answer on the "The Fall Of Max Payne"!

[ADM]

I don't want to protect an idiot kid of 10 years old while playing with payne.

wtf? Since when do they let 10 year olds become Police Officers? Read my post carefully.

And arn't you like 13? You're still a "idiot kid" as well.

I didn't quite understand why it is "the Fall of Max Payne".. He didn't die. Mona did. Maybe this title means that in MP3 he will no longer be a detective in the NYPD. I don't know. *prays that a fourth will not be made*

Because it took place in Autumn.

[Ivan]

wtf? Since when do they let 10 year olds become Police Officers? Read my post carefully.

And arn't you like 13? You're still a "idiot kid" as well.

Well I understand more things and I am more mature then a 10 years old kid. And if Max's child is a police officer, Max would be like minimum 55-60 years old.. So I don't see that comming.

I didn't quite understand why it is "the Fall of Max Payne".. He didn't die. Mona did. Maybe this title means that in MP3 he will no longer be a detective in the NYPD. I don't know. *prays that a fourth will not be made*

Because it took place in Autumn.

Stop being sarcastic, damn it! I want to know the real reason.

[Mixa]

Maybe max payne 3 will be a masterpiece and maybe some people won't accept this. personaly I know that there will be so many fresh ideas, plot, etc So everyone will notice that it is a same legend like mp1 was/is.

Are you 100 % that mona died... .

probably even vinnie will raise from death ( magic pills )

Well, we all know that if there is always a new "game" mp1 mp2 mp3 mp4 mp5 mp6 mp7 mp8 mp9...... then it isn't good . final max payne is 3... believe me

Besides max payne was equipped with modding tools so if you don't like the plot---> do an new one.

[ADM]

Well I understand more things and I am more mature then a 10 years old kid. And if Max's child is a police officer, Max would be like minimum 55-60 years old.. So I don't see that comming.

Max Payne 3 could take place like 20 years after.. his son could be a police recruit just starting out. Max as a 60 year old wouldn't be too hard to believe, it could work and if done right will. What are your reasons for not seeing it "comming"?

Stop being sarcastic, damn it! I want to know the real reason.

Sarcastic? Come on kid.. I'm not. That IS the real reason, do a search through some older topics and you'll see what I said repeated over and over and over and over again.

Also why are you getting angry? Not everyone thinks like you...

[Wamplet]

Because it took place in Autumn.

Stop being sarcastic, damn it! I want to know the real reason.

[/QUOTE]

It doesn't get any more real than that.

You could also say that he spiritually died and started over with Mona, or that his life became a new chapter, or something along those lines, but I much prefer to just say Fall referred to the season.