Bombshell and the bitchslap

[crunchy superman]

I suppose she could give "escort mission" a whole new meaning - it's Vegas, after all.

[HazMat]

If she is in then I vote for Duke getting laid. even if the camera is blocked by a ripped off shirt. I think this should be mandatory for DNF.

[Firstperson]

Originally Posted by HazMat

If she is in then I vote for Duke getting laid. even if the camera is blocked by a ripped off shirt......

......and he wakes up with his wallet and all his guns gone.

[KaiserSoze]

From the sounds of that Dallas Business Journal Scott Miller mention, Bombshell was actively being developed as a separate game. The character is now incorporated into DNF instead.

Perhaps most of that game has now been merged with DNF? Or was it simply the character?

And though the Bombshell character is now confirmed as being in DNF, she was never confirmed as being playable. I wouldn't mind but it seems most people here don't want it.

[Kristian Joensen]

Well actually they didn't quote Scott on that matter. Scott might just have been talking about what happened in the Late 90's when they went from having 3 internal teams to having only one. In other words he might just have been talking about Bombshell being in the 98 edition of DNF, like we saw in the 98 trailer.

[WoodenSword]

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

I'd get either in serious trouble, or possibly fired depending on what I did. It ain't worth it.

Come on Joe!
Be a man and fight for the things that you believe in!
Sacrifice yourself for the salvation of the info-starving fans.
Like a true martyr!

[Needle]

Originally Posted by WoodenSword

Come on Joe!
Be a man and fight for the things that you believe in!
Sacrifice yourself for the salvation of the info-starving fans.
Like a true martyr!

I concur. He'd mess up 3DR's shit, spoiler the game for us and then George Broussard shoryukens him through the roof. Everyone looses.

Awesome.

[bokaj]

At the end of the day it all comes down to if it is fun or not. If Bombshell is in, playable or not, and it is well done I´m sure everybody here will happy and praise the decision in this forum

[Zombie_Boy]

I can see it now.. Duke's in a tight-spot (literally) and Bombshell comes to see how Duke's doing.. she offers him some help and he responds (in very colorful language too) that women don't save him.. he saves them!

Come on. If they make her tits bounce realistically from now I can see the crowd of peoples that begs for missions with Bombshell of any type and kind - including "Save Bombshell", "Guard Bombshell" and "Bombshell Saves Duke"

About the Bombshell - for me Mona Sax in Max Payne was kind of experiment for the Bombshell. Maybe I'm wrong but 3d Realms tests some of their ideas in other games. For example the Prey. The bug that you use as grenade - there is very similar episode in 2001 trailer.

[evanazzo]

Originally Posted by DukePatso

The bug that you use as grenade.

Half life much

Duke doesn't protect her he leaves her to take care of herself till bed time. maybe she'd fin in a separate set of co-op missions

[themetal]

If a lame ass escort mission appears it will probably ruin the game for me more than any other flaw could possibly, but I doubt it, reading georges posts on the shack it seems hes one of the few developers who knows what sucks and whats good.

[Steve]

I hope to hell she doesn't take my kills while playing. I hate that.

[evanazzo]

Duke: Hey you took my kill, he was mine
Bombshell: I didn't see your name on it

[Teron]

If she's in the game, then please, don't let her save duke...

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Teron

If she's in the game, then please, don't let her save duke...

Lets hope she isn't that character type "strong but sensitive yet hates duke yet secretly loves him"

[kj_57701]

Being alone all the time is not that fun. Kill some aliens, kill some more aliens, watch the scenery shift. Naah! Personally, I like some character interaction. Breaks it up a little and can add some spice. And really, what's so bad about a chick saving your bacon occasionally? I would just hope I got a chance to return the favor! It's not like 3DR is going to tie our Duke down and make us watch QVC or have casual conversations about manicure and pedicure. I am just thinking that if she's in, it is going to add to the experience and not ruin it.

The more I think about it, the more I actually hope she's in.

[vcatkiller]

Precisely what I'm thinking too. Something like Bombshell can only break the monotony of the whole "walk walk kill kill walk walk kill kill" thing. If Bombshell adds to the experience, I'm all for having her in.

Seems, though, that the great majority here won't be happy unless DNF is just D3D with prettier visuals. In fact, even the want for prettier visuals thing is debatable. Go figure.

[HazMat]

Is 3DR going to give her the whole badassness treatment? Like maybe she kicks a whole lot of ass when she is with you? It would be cool if she was a psycho combatant ultraviolently killing off aliens.

[rockmanekuzu8]

Originally Posted by KaiserSoze

From the sounds of that Dallas Business Journal Scott Miller mention, Bombshell was actively being developed as a separate game. The character is now incorporated into DNF instead.

Perhaps most of that game has now been merged with DNF? Or was it simply the character?

And though the Bombshell character is now confirmed as being in DNF, she was never confirmed as being playable. I wouldn't mind but it seems most people here don't want it.

Well let's see dude, hopefully they know how to put her in right.

Originally Posted by HazMat

Hey dudes come on be nice. Remember that no other game developers have been through the amount of pressure and stress as 3DR. Iam sure none of you will be that pissed if bombshell needs some help in the game. It is still Duke and bombshell appearance shouldnt be that bad. Just think of her as another set of tits running around with the exception that this set carries a gun.

Agreed, but I smell something familiar going on here. Don't tell me they're putting her in to compete against Master Chief and Cortana. Except Bombshell actually will be helping you physically instead of giving you tips holographically. Or will it be both? This is what I truly think is why they put Bombshell in for, it's similar but going to be better than the Halo 3 way.

[LarsBM]

Having a girl save Duke is NOT GOOD! Playing as a girl in a Duke Nukem fame is not good either, though not as bad as her saving him. Duke is a one man army and he doesnt need any help. Especially not from a girl!

Originally Posted by Needle

I concur. He'd mess up 3DR's shit, spoiler the game for us and then George Broussard shoryukens him through the roof. Everyone looses.

Awesome.

Hahaha

[LarsBM]

Originally Posted by vcatkiller

Seems, though, that the great majority here won't be happy unless DNF is just D3D with prettier visuals. In fact, even the want for prettier visuals thing is debatable. Go figure.

You got me.

[Betelgeuse]

Originally Posted by vcatkiller

Precisely what I'm thinking too. Something like Bombshell can only break the monotony of the whole "walk interact walk interact kill interact kill interact walk interact walk interact kill interact kill interact".

Edited for my pleasure.

Originally Posted by evanazzo

Duke: Hey you took my kill, he was mine
Bombshell: I didn't see your name on it

More likely:
Bombshell: Have you cook the dinner, clean the house and put the kinds to sleep?
Duke: Ah...., No... honey.....
Bombshell: Then do it. What you waiting for - Christmas?

[HazMat]

I betcha she will rock up with Dukes harley when he needs it toward the middle.

[Tea Monster]

I think you guys should lighten up a little. Having Duke talk to himself all day long is a worrying feature for someone we depend on to save the world.

This all smacks of "We don't want smelly girls in our treehouse"

Dudes, grow up!

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Tea Monster

This all smacks of "We don't want smelly girls in our treehouse"

Dudes, grow up!

No it doesn't. I just don't want another character telling me what to do, telling me where to go, taking my kills and following me around. A lot of games have this and it pissed me off.

[RAW]

Well lets look at it this way , if they put another guy in the game it would conflict with duke eg. there can only be one hero , no compitition for duke , so if you add a charactor most likely it would have to be a girl i would think and still they would have to incorperate her right

[Lt.Havoc]

I really dont know what you people have. Are you that afraid of a change? What would it matter if Bombshell is in DNF? SHe is a NPC and she will help ya. Whats the deal with it? Never heard about the old saying "Sometimes even Heros need some help too?"

I dont see problem in this. I enjyoed playing HL2 and having Alyx around. What I missed where real conversations, then The Freeman isnt a very talkative guy, ya know. In DNF it would be totally diffrent. I would find it bpretty funny to have Duke and Bombshell throwing witty one-liners to each other while they kill bad guys, just as they do it in a good action movie.

The whole "Lone Hero" idea can get quite boring after a while. FEAR for example: you where alone most of the game and hell, in the Add on they even kill off all NPCs you interacted with. But DNF will have more NPC interaction and a more detailed living world.

I´m completly fine with having Bombshell in. I mean, seriously, you guys sound like 6 years old with "No Girls allowed" sings everywhere. On the other hand, I bet you guys even play Tomb Raider and have no problem staring at Laras butt.

I know, everyone wnts it "old skool" but sometimes it goes to far. I completly agree with Tea Monster here.

[JobivanHiob]

Originally Posted by DukePatso

More likely:
Bombshell: Have you cook the dinner, clean the house and put the kinds to sleep?
Duke: Ah...., No... honey.....
Bombshell: Then do it. What you waiting for - Christmas?

LOL
that was really funny

[Waiter]

Originally Posted by DukePatso

Come on. If they make her tits bounce realistically from now I can see the crowd of peoples that begs for missions with Bombshell of any type and kind - including "Save Bombshell", "Guard Bombshell" and "Bombshell Saves Duke"

1. Duke never needs to be saved.
2. Any character named Bombshell never needs to be saved.
3. Even with no Bombshell, do you seriously think a 3DRealms' game will suffer from a lack of boo...uncing?

[vcatkiller]

Originally Posted by Lt.Havoc

I really dont know what you people have. Are you that afraid of a change? What would it matter if Bombshell is in DNF? SHe is a NPC and she will help ya. Whats the deal with it? Never heard about the old saying "Sometimes even Heros need some help too?"

I dont see problem in this. I enjyoed playing HL2 and having Alyx around. What I missed where real conversations, then The Freeman isnt a very talkative guy, ya know. In DNF it would be totally diffrent. I would find it bpretty funny to have Duke and Bombshell throwing witty one-liners to each other while they kill bad guys, just as they do it in a good action movie.

The whole "Lone Hero" idea can get quite boring after a while. FEAR for example: you where alone most of the game and hell, in the Add on they even kill off all NPCs you interacted with. But DNF will have more NPC interaction and a more detailed living world.

I´m completly fine with having Bombshell in. I mean, seriously, you guys sound like 6 years old with "No Girls allowed" sings everywhere. On the other hand, I bet you guys even play Tomb Raider and have no problem staring at Laras butt.

I know, everyone wnts it "old skool" but sometimes it goes to far. I completly agree with Tea Monster here.

Exactly. I don't know about anybody else but I'd rather have more than "Duke Nukem 3D 2". If Bombshell advances the formula, I don't see the problem.

[Reaper]

I don't want a bombshell that helps you with firepower. Any other means of aid is welcome. Also, she should NOT be playable. EVER.

That said, I'd much rather see Gus and General Graves make a return (Gus from DNF '98 and 2001, Graves from DNF 2001) in the third (fourth, if you count the sidescroller) incarnation of DNF.

[Monkey Butler]

Why though? We know just as little about Bombshell as we do about Gus or Graves, so why is everyone so opposed to the idea of a female NPC? Everyone jumps to the conclusion that Bombshell would ruin the game, or that she'd be playable (why would anyone assume that? Nobody assumed Gus was ever going to be playable) or that Duke would be "pussified", especially because a girl would be saving him, and it's pretty pathetic, really.

[Skiffer]

I think the primary reason for dissing Bombshell is that the whole Male-lead + Female-lead is such a well established and generic concept, that taking it to a more original and creative level is too unlikely. I mean, what would you expect her to do in the game? What's her personality like?

Is she simply eyecandy with the IQ of a rubber doll, or is she one of those new-fangled "modern" women who consider themselves strong and use guys like Duke uses strippers? If that last part is the case, will she charge head first into throngs of baddies, get captured or pinned down, and expect Duke to save her, while giving no thanks in return? Maybe they'll ( Duke & BS ) teach eather other the true meaning of friendship, going contra to their established personalities? Seriously, think up a concept, involving BS ofcourse, which you would really look forward to in DNF, because I don't see it.

1) Maybe she'll tag around ala Alyx in HL2, because obviously she's more handy with computars, engines and electronics than Duke, and it'll be all like "Holy smokes, Bat... I mean, Duke. The doormechanism is jammed, but I can fix it, only it'll take 4 or so minutes. Hold the baddies off... Oh yeah, I guess I forgot to tell you that baddies are spawning as we speak, so hold em' off ok?" because apparently there has to be at least one ( well, a minimum of one ) of these "Protect your buddy" things when there is more than one protaganist.

2) Gosh! Maybe she'll be your guide to the Underground LA Sewer levels, and tell you important informations over ze earphone? To be honest, I can't remember the last game where people weren't constantly monitoring my movements; where I've actually been completely alone Start to Finish. I'm either in a team of jackasses, or I've joined the resistance, and have to speak to them between the levels to make myself feel big and bad, or some text-to-voice application is bossing me around from some hidden facility, as if the whole game is one big tutorial.

Going for the Lone Ranger approach wouldn't be silly; in fact, it fits Duke like a glove. "What are you gonna do? Save the world all by yourself?" Hell yeah I am.

3) It's also a possibility she'll stay "behind the scenes", not actually interacting with you directly, doing her own thing, Catwoman style. In any case, that's what they went for in the Q2 version, or so it would seem. And that's probably, what, the better choice considering the other options? Even so, it builds up for a big "SURPRISE!" encounter, where, after putting you through a 101 dangerous, possibly lethal situations, she'll be like "I'm your long lost twin sister" or "Damn! I've been in love with you since third grade!", and then it merges into one of the two options above.

I don't know, maybe they'll can the Hollywood approach, and go for something completely unexpected, but I doubt if even that would work, seeing as Duke, 80's style badass actionhero, would clash against lé artisté interpretation lés original. All in all, I just don't see it working in our favour.

[Monkey Butler]

So, just because all you can think of are banal, lame encounters, Bombshell would be a banal, lame character? And what about other NPCs, like Gus or Graves, do they just get a free pass because they won't turn out to be Duke's sister?

[vcatkiller]

How about 4) where she's actually a rival? She's a badass with a shotgun who is envious of Duke for stealing all the limelight, and thus spends most of the game hindering his progress so she can save the world all by herself. A little of 3, because she sees he can be useful on occasions, but mostly hindering. Not actually an enemy, because she doesn't want him dead, but not entirely friendly, because she's sick of living in his shadow.

You know there are many ways of doing Bombshell justice, it's just most here seem too shortsighted to see past those silly excuses of "she doesn't fit because..."

I kind of cringe every time something like this comes up and somebody spouts off the usual "Duke wouldn't do XYZ, that's not his personality!" Let's try thinking outside the box for a change, hmmm?

[JobivanHiob]

Skiffer you have some good points there. I' definitely want Bombshell to be on par with Duke. She can appeare every now and then to compete with Duke to get the kills.

[Parkar]

Originally Posted by vcatkiller

I kind of cringe every time something like this comes up and somebody spouts off the usual "Duke wouldn't do XYZ, that's not his personality!" Let's try thinking outside the box for a change, hmmm?

Furthermore that has no bearing on the world around him. Duke may not need the EDF to save the world but they still are part of DNF.

Personally I think the best way to bring out the most of a character is have him/her interact with other characters. In the case of DNF I think the way Dukes personality could clash with others not seeing him as the saviour of the world could be interesting. I mean if everyone just looks at Duke as the big hero that will save them, it would turn out kinda flat.

I truly love the comments like "So what are you gona do, save the world all by your self?" and "Do you think those glasses make you look cool or something?" from the 2001 video. Thinking about what similar stuff they could do with a cocky female character seemingly uninterested in Duke makes me hope she is in the game. With Duke being a sexist bastard it could be truly funny.

Of course if she is just there as your average companion in most fps games getting in your way it would just be annoying. I hope she mostly kinda do her own thing and then you just meet up at a few places here and there. No escorting here through a whole level etc.

[Skiffer]

Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

So, just because all you can think of are banal, lame encounters, Bombshell would be a banal, lame character?

In a sense, yeah. I wouldn't say she'd be dragging the game down, however, rather that I don't see her adding anything to it. I can understand having a whole crew of fleshed out characters join up with you, when you play as the silent, emotionless, floating-camera type o' action-hero, so that there's at least some human emotion going on screen, but giving Duke a possé ( fem-Duke, Black-Duke, Nerdy-Duke etc ) isn't just overkill; it's corny and off the mark completely.

In any case, throw some ideas around about a situation that'd really add to the game and that you'd just love to see, with Bombshell naturally, and maybe peole, me included, will latch on to it. So far I only got clichés in mind.

Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

And what about other NPCs, like Gus or Graves, do they just get a free pass because they won't turn out to be Duke's sister?

They get a free pass because they're (probably) not central characters. Even if they are important to the overall storyline, and have their functions, they won't be dogging Duke to the same extent that a female Duke-clone (most likely) would. If Graves or Gus suited up to battle the alien threat mano-y-monster, solo or Duke-team with you, wether you like it or not, they'd turn out to be an equal annoyance.

How about 4) where she's actually a rival? She's a badass with a shotgun who is envious of Duke for stealing all the limelight, and thus spends most of the game hindering his progress so she can save the world all by herself. A little of 3, because she sees he can be useful on occasions, but mostly hindering. Not actually an enemy, because she doesn't want him dead, but not entirely friendly, because she's sick of living in his shadow.

I think that's been done to death as well. But, hey, why not? Make it a minigame too, where you actually compete with her, end-game score crowning the winner, and maybe if you're a badass enough Duke you'll win her heart. Ha ha ha.

I kind of cringe every time something like this comes up and somebody spouts off the usual "Duke wouldn't do XYZ, that's not his personality!"

The core is set in stone, my friend. Work with the variables.

Let's try thinking outside the box for a change, hmmm?

I'm all for innovation, mind you, if the word still means what it used to. Lately it's become synonimous with cuts and rehashes rolled up in a ball of crap. I guess I'm becoming fond of the boxes of yesteryear.

Originally Posted by Parkar

In the case of DNF I think the way Dukes personality could clash with others not seeing him as the saviour of the world could be interesting. I mean if everyone just looks at Duke as the big hero that will save them, it would turn out kinda flat.

Reasonable. A has-been takes on the world and wins, Rocky style.

Originally Posted by Parkar

I truly love the comments like "So what are you gona do, save the world all by your self?" and "Do you think those glasses make you look cool or something?" from the 2001 video. Thinking about what similar stuff they could do with a cocky female character seemingly uninterested in Duke makes me hope she is in the game. With Duke being a sexist bastard it could be truly funny.

A part of me agrees, and another part shudders. Maybe it's a personal thing. Maybe I subconciously hate strong women or something.