Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! - Page 2

Kenny mckormick · 06-27-2008, 04:51 PM

I don't have read all post in this thread,but i just want says something...

Play Blood with dosbox is actually impossible with more than 3 players,we got out of sync when we play with 4 players...
So we can't just go to dosbox,so if you can remake blood,please try to reproduce it...

Dimebog · 07-05-2008, 04:55 AM

Put up an early weapon test vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP--uGsYz_Y

From the description:

Quote:

Testing the pitchfork, tommy gun, aerosol, incinerator, and sawed-off. Decals seem to work fine. We did not yet include the impact sound for the pitchfork.

For some reason the reload sound didn't play after using the sawed-off alt fire. It only happens when I record for some reason, and I only realized that later, when the video was made.

Next time we expect to have a completed arsenal of weapons along with their re-worked alt fire modes. Tesla and voodoo doll are already in the works. There was no point to test the flaregun since you can only see it's effect when used on something living (same for voodoo), so wait a bit until we come up with fully functional enemies (it's due soon).

Spiker · 07-05-2008, 05:00 AM

Impressive video. Looks really like the original Blood stuff. But I hope you did not dare to mock at people

Wellenreiter · 07-05-2008, 05:21 AM

That was awesome. I am really looking very much forward to this. Aaaah, it's so good that finally some devoted bloodites are reviv... er, re-undeading Blood...

Dimebog · 07-05-2008, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiker

Impressive video. Looks really like the original Blood stuff. But I hope you did not dare to mock at people

Hm? Are you implying that I was perhaps using a footage from the original BLOOD? If you are, that's some mighty compliment!

Well, the shadows under the rotating voxel models are a dead giveaway since they weren't there in BLOOD. Also in retail BLOOD you couldn't leave decals on the floor (bullet holes and such).

Anyway, it will be interesting to hear your feedback once you try everything out for yourself. The genuine 'feel' of BLOOD's weapons and physics is not something you can capture on a video.

XTHX2 · 07-05-2008, 08:37 AM

Impressive. In a single word. Your Blood Experience will live again... sounds like " The Cabal will live again ! " Just one question. Are you the only one working on this or do you have a crew?

Spiker · 07-05-2008, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimebog

Hm? Are you implying that I was perhaps using a footage from the original BLOOD? If you are, that's some mighty compliment!

Yep it looks so good that I could not see a difference. Especially that I haven't played blood for a very long time. But....... maybe my Blood experience will live again!

07-05-2008, 09:27 AM

Holy shit man, that's really cool, even the movement felt like in Blood. I think the first thing you gotta do for the Napalm cannon is making the explosion sprite bigger, remember that it's larger in blood. So far it's really going good!

Dimebog · 07-05-2008, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XTHX2

Impressive. In a single word. Your Blood Experience will live again... sounds like " The Cabal will live again ! " Just one question. Are you the only one working on this or do you have a crew?

We are a crew:

Daedalus (OP of this thread): project leader, lead mapper, designer, Dreaming God
Dimebog (myself): lead designer, coder, additional mapping
Daedolon: lead coder, additional design
DeeperThought: additional coding

We have also received offers for assistance from two mappers so far (Spiker and timothy2), and several people who are willing to translate in-game strings to various languages, and we have a very fast working HRP artist whom we have not yet engaged, since that can wait.

Additional contributions are always welcome.

XTHX2 · 07-05-2008, 10:15 AM

What kind of help would you need now? I don't think you would since you got the crew. XD I may want to join if you accept.

07-05-2008, 12:44 PM

I can also help translate to spanish if you need. I'd advice considering my mapping proposition quickly as I only have one month vacation until I start Uni again.

bruce777999 · 07-06-2008, 07:15 PM

the shotgun spread is a little too compact and napalm is slower, but everything is looking and "feeling" really, really good. About as good as could be hoped!

07-17-2008, 09:38 PM

Don't let this die!

Caleb · 07-17-2008, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timothy2

Don't let this die!

You right!

Daedalus, Dimebog
Any news on the project?

Dimebog · 07-18-2008, 02:04 AM

We are currently focusing on a project website and it should be available shortly. Some details need to be decided and final decisions made before we start putting extensive information online.

In a week or so I will be leaving for a vacation so the progress will be a bit slow during that one month. But it doesn't mean that we are stopping at all.

Caleb · 07-18-2008, 02:41 AM

Thanks for the reply. Keep up the Great Work!

07-29-2008, 09:21 AM

Whoooo - this promises to be fun!
Amazingly well done!
2 tiny remarks: the shotgun needs a wider shot spread and the rate of fire on the aerosol can needs to be slower, in my humble opinion at least. Also, the flames don't linger as long.
Keep it up!

LipSheZ · 08-20-2008, 06:33 AM

And what successes? I wanna play it!

Dimebog · 08-20-2008, 10:52 AM

There has been a pause in our workings for the past month due to some of ours busy schedules/vacations and an unfortunate event that has left me creatively incapacitated. We will continue working on this in a couple of days and you can expect progress updates in the following weeks.

LipSheZ · 08-20-2008, 01:04 PM

I hope! Thanks.

LipSheZ · 09-05-2008, 04:56 AM

Any news???

Caleb · 09-06-2008, 05:10 AM

I hope, project is still alive.

Spiker · 09-06-2008, 06:19 AM

It's DEAD! Can't you see? Another Blood project has been abandoned. Blood will never be recreated by anyone.

Daedolon · 09-06-2008, 08:38 AM

That's not true.

If your plan is only to flame, do it on another forum.

XTHX2 · 09-06-2008, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daedolon

That's not true.

If your plan is only to flame, do it on another forum.

Hehe I knew it wasn't true. The progress is going slow, but still going, just as Dimebog said, right?

supergoofy · 09-06-2008, 08:50 AM

The best thing would be if Monolith could release Blood's source. But that will not happen. I would like also to see the source for Redneck Rampage, but Xatrix Entertainment is dead as a company. These sources will not be released ever, unless either the companies or their programmers release them as open source.

I don't know if a Blood mod for EDuke32 will be close to original Blood, in gameplay terms. And even if this happen, it will take many years to create a mod close to original Blood.

XTHX2 · 09-06-2008, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supergoofy

The best thing would be if Monolith could release Blood's source. But that will not happen. I would like also to see the source for Redneck Rampage, but Xatrix Entertainment is dead as a company. These sources will not be released ever, unless either the companies or their programmers release them as open source.

I don't know if a Blood mod for EDuke32 will be close to original Blood, in gameplay terms. And even if this happen, it will take many years to create a mod close to original Blood.

Well Eduke is providing modders, especially CON coders many chances of creating new, or recreating the already made stuff such as the akimbo powerup in Blood, it is possible and is simple as I thought of it a little. However ROR is not so easy to create, I don't even know if it is possible or not and I'm sure as hell it's nothing simple as changing the x/y/z coordinates of sectors-walls-points-sprites.

My point is, creating the Blood in Eduke EXACTLY is not possible, but at least, recreating it's spirit in Eduke is, or the feeling of it. I'm looking forward to this project, a lot, because I believe this one will be a great one. I can feel it

Player Lin · 09-06-2008, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supergoofy

The best thing would be if Monolith could release Blood's source. But that will not happen. I would like also to see the source for Redneck Rampage, but Xatrix Entertainment is dead as a company. These sources will not be released ever, unless either the companies or their programmers release them as open source.

OMGWTF!THISISNOTTRUE!HOLYS***

*sigh*

Whatever... Blood works on DOSBox...but I think it should be bast way to play Blood with Win32(or other non-Windows systems) source port in modern systems.

Spiker · 09-06-2008, 09:57 AM

If there is any progress I want to see it, I want to get more info. Saying it's alive is not enough. If there is no news for few months you can assume it's dead. Besides if the pace is to be all the time like this it will take longer than making DNF!

supergoofy · 09-06-2008, 11:12 AM

Player Lin, I don't speak about DOSBox. I can play all these build games in DOSBox. And I can play them in Windows XP using vdmsound and nolfb and other tools. I also can play Blood in Windows XP using glide wrappers, although it's unstable. But that's not the issue. I'm talking about the release of the source code and thus the possibility to create Win32bit and Win64bit ports, with OpenGL, Direct3D and OpenAL support.

Daedolon · 09-06-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spiker

Besides if the pace is to be all the time like this it will take longer than making DNF!

No one ever said it'll take a shorter period of time than the making of DNF. Or the other way.

Radar1013 · 09-06-2008, 12:45 PM

You must like scaring us, don't you?

Damien_Azreal · 09-06-2008, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiker

If there is any progress I want to see it, I want to get more info. Saying it's alive is not enough. If there is no news for few months you can assume it's dead. Besides if the pace is to be all the time like this it will take longer than making DNF!

They never made any promises or release dates. This is a project they are working on in their free time, this isn't their job.

Have some patience man. A quality project is gonna take time. And they don't need to update us every time they manage to get something working. Hell, they didn't even have to let us know about it.

Player Lin · 09-06-2008, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supergoofy

Player Lin, I don't speak about DOSBox. I can play all these build games in DOSBox. And I can play them in Windows XP using vdmsound and nolfb and other tools. I also can play Blood in Windows XP using glide wrappers, although it's unstable. But that's not the issue. I'm talking about the release of the source code and thus the possibility to create Win32bit and Win64bit ports, with OpenGL, Direct3D and OpenAL support.

I'm talking about release of Blood source code too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Player Lin

but I think it should be bast way to play Blood with Win32(or other non-Windows systems) source port in modern systems.

I personally don't really care Blood mods on other FPS games.
(Mods just only mod, not the game "itself".
But I may play if the mod is an awesome work.

)

Heretic/Hexen can, why Blood can't...? I don't get it...

(Looks like I'm off-topic...

)

M210 · 10-05-2008, 01:20 PM

any news?

Spiker · 10-05-2008, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M210

any news?

Gosh when I saw a new post here I thought that there were some news, and no "any news?" question

I'm afraid we may never get any more news

Daedolon · 10-05-2008, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiker

I'm afraid we may never get any more news

Not true.

M210 · 10-05-2008, 01:59 PM

I hope that news will be later

du8d · 10-06-2008, 04:24 AM

I hope at least I can see caleb in duke nukem 3d, and at least I can play duke nukem with caleb again. It is fun enough.

Ozzy Papat · 10-06-2008, 01:05 PM

Maybe it's over for this , no ?.

07-05-2008, 09:27 AM	#48
timothy2 Guest	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! Holy shit man, that's really cool, even the movement felt like in Blood. I think the first thing you gotta do for the Napalm cannon is making the explosion sprite bigger, remember that it's larger in blood. So far it's really going good!

07-05-2008, 12:44 PM	#51
timothy2 Guest	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! I can also help translate to spanish if you need. I'd advice considering my mapping proposition quickly as I only have one month vacation until I start Uni again.

07-17-2008, 09:38 PM	#53
timothy2 Guest	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! Don't let this die!

07-29-2008, 09:21 AM	#57
Geist Guest	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! Whoooo - this promises to be fun! Amazingly well done! 2 tiny remarks: the shotgun needs a wider shot spread and the rate of fire on the aerosol can needs to be slower, in my humble opinion at least. Also, the flames don't linger as long. Keep it up!

06-27-2008, 04:51 PM	#41
Kenny mckormick	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! I don't have read all post in this thread,but i just want says something... Play Blood with dosbox is actually impossible with more than 3 players,we got out of sync when we play with 4 players... So we can't just go to dosbox,so if you can remake blood,please try to reproduce it...

07-05-2008, 05:00 AM	#43
Spiker	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! Impressive video. Looks really like the original Blood stuff. But I hope you did not dare to mock at people

07-05-2008, 05:21 AM	#44
Wellenreiter	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! That was awesome. I am really looking very much forward to this. Aaaah, it's so good that finally some devoted bloodites are reviv... er, re-undeading Blood...

07-05-2008, 08:37 AM	#46
XTHX2	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! Impressive. In a single word. Your Blood Experience will live again... sounds like " The Cabal will live again ! " Just one question. Are you the only one working on this or do you have a crew? __________________ ---HELLDUKE TC--- NEW STABLE MIRROR SECONDARY MIRROR ---GAMEPLAY VIDEO--- Gameplay Footage of my Mod. Last edited by XTHX2; 07-05-2008 at 08:42 AM.

07-05-2008, 10:15 AM	#50
XTHX2	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! What kind of help would you need now? I don't think you would since you got the crew. XD I may want to join if you accept. __________________ ---HELLDUKE TC--- NEW STABLE MIRROR SECONDARY MIRROR ---GAMEPLAY VIDEO--- Gameplay Footage of my Mod.

07-06-2008, 07:15 PM	#52
bruce777999	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! the shotgun spread is a little too compact and napalm is slower, but everything is looking and "feeling" really, really good. About as good as could be hoped!

07-18-2008, 02:04 AM	#55
Dimebog	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! We are currently focusing on a project website and it should be available shortly. Some details need to be decided and final decisions made before we start putting extensive information online. In a week or so I will be leaving for a vacation so the progress will be a bit slow during that one month. But it doesn't mean that we are stopping at all. __________________ The Postmortem - a Blood and Blood II: The Chosen community.

07-18-2008, 02:41 AM	#56
Caleb	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! Thanks for the reply. Keep up the Great Work!

08-20-2008, 06:33 AM	#58
LipSheZ	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! And what successes? I wanna play it! __________________ All Unreal single player addons - visit us! And join the new Unreal addon-developing group! Download "nostalgic sound patch" with Unreal I sounds for Unreal Tournament 99 (OldSkool-mod required)! Totalduke.narod.ru - restored famous Russian Duke3d Website!

08-20-2008, 10:52 AM	#59
Dimebog	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! There has been a pause in our workings for the past month due to some of ours busy schedules/vacations and an unfortunate event that has left me creatively incapacitated. We will continue working on this in a couple of days and you can expect progress updates in the following weeks. __________________ The Postmortem - a Blood and Blood II: The Chosen community.

08-20-2008, 01:04 PM	#60
LipSheZ	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! I hope! Thanks. __________________ All Unreal single player addons - visit us! And join the new Unreal addon-developing group! Download "nostalgic sound patch" with Unreal I sounds for Unreal Tournament 99 (OldSkool-mod required)! Totalduke.narod.ru - restored famous Russian Duke3d Website!

09-05-2008, 04:56 AM	#61
LipSheZ	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! Any news??? __________________ All Unreal single player addons - visit us! And join the new Unreal addon-developing group! Download "nostalgic sound patch" with Unreal I sounds for Unreal Tournament 99 (OldSkool-mod required)! Totalduke.narod.ru - restored famous Russian Duke3d Website!

09-06-2008, 05:10 AM	#62
Caleb	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! I hope, project is still alive.

09-06-2008, 06:19 AM	#63
Spiker	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! It's DEAD! Can't you see? Another Blood project has been abandoned. Blood will never be recreated by anyone.

09-06-2008, 08:38 AM	#64
Daedolon	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! That's not true. If your plan is only to flame, do it on another forum. __________________ Duke Hard - 17 map episode for Duke Nukem 3D.

09-06-2008, 08:50 AM	#66
supergoofy	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! The best thing would be if Monolith could release Blood's source. But that will not happen. I would like also to see the source for Redneck Rampage, but Xatrix Entertainment is dead as a company. These sources will not be released ever, unless either the companies or their programmers release them as open source. I don't know if a Blood mod for EDuke32 will be close to original Blood, in gameplay terms. And even if this happen, it will take many years to create a mod close to original Blood.

09-06-2008, 09:57 AM	#69
Spiker	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! If there is any progress I want to see it, I want to get more info. Saying it's alive is not enough. If there is no news for few months you can assume it's dead. Besides if the pace is to be all the time like this it will take longer than making DNF!

09-06-2008, 11:12 AM	#70
supergoofy	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! Player Lin, I don't speak about DOSBox. I can play all these build games in DOSBox. And I can play them in Windows XP using vdmsound and nolfb and other tools. I also can play Blood in Windows XP using glide wrappers, although it's unstable. But that's not the issue. I'm talking about the release of the source code and thus the possibility to create Win32bit and Win64bit ports, with OpenGL, Direct3D and OpenAL support.

09-06-2008, 12:45 PM	#72
Radar1013	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! You must like scaring us, don't you? __________________ OFFICIAL HRP Nitpicker!

10-05-2008, 01:20 PM	#75
M210	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! any news? __________________ M210 Projects - My personal site

10-05-2008, 01:59 PM	#78
M210	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! I hope that news will be later __________________ M210 Projects - My personal site

10-06-2008, 04:24 AM	#79
du8d	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! I hope at least I can see caleb in duke nukem 3d, and at least I can play duke nukem with caleb again. It is fun enough.

10-06-2008, 01:05 PM	#80
Ozzy Papat	Re: Cradle to Grave -- Your Blood experience will live again! Maybe it's over for this , no ?.