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[Ivan]

Maybe max payne 3 will be a masterpiece and maybe some people won't accept this. personaly I know that there will be so many fresh ideas, plot, etc So everyone will notice that it is a same legend like mp1 was/is.

Indeed. Everybody says that it would be pure crap cause uncle Sami is not writting it. Stop this! He is/was a good writter. I am sure the new Max Payne will be as great as if Sam wrote it. It's like RS' new baby. They don't want to lose an oppurtunity to not make monye out of it. Max Payne 3 will be a masterpiece!

Are you 100 % that mona died... . / probably even vinnie will raise from death ( magic pills )

*looks around and raises an eyebrow* I mean come on! Who ever came from death in this game? Vinnie didn't! And if in MP3 he comes to life because I don't know what reson: I don't buy the game. It will have to be a pretty good reason, for me to buy it.

Besides max payne was equipped with modding tools so if you don't like the plot---> do an new one.

Exactly. I hope people will do it, if it is crap!

---> What is the real reason of the name "The Fall OF Max Payne"!?

[ADM]

---> What is the real reason of the name "The Fall OF Max Payne"!?

In one ear and right out the other...

[Ivan]

Sorry you replied while I was writing mine. So I didn't see it. Sorry again.

Max Payne 3 could take place like 20 years after.. his son could be a police recruit just starting out. Max as a 60 year old wouldn't be too hard to believe, it could work and if done right will. What are your reasons for not seeing it "comming"?

Because Max will not run, he will weel on a weelchair. It wouldn't be a bad idea if we could play as his son sometimes. It is a partial good idea, after all!

But this will bring maybe too many new characthers and it will all mess up the story. Don't you think?

[ADM]

Sorry you replied while I was writing mine. So I didn't see it. Sorry again.

Because Max will not run, he will weel on a weelchair. It wouldn't be a bad idea if we could play as his son sometimes. It is a partial good idea, after all!

But this will bring maybe too many new characthers and it will all mess up the story. Don't you think?

Max Payne 2 brought new characters.. did it mess up the story?

Also you really think 50 - 60 is so old? When you're 21 then tell me if you think it's old.

Most people work until they are 60 and then retire then, some even work until they are 65.

Bravura was around 50 or so and did he walk slowly or do all that sort of stuff?

My point is this is possible and also opens the door to new game franchises.

[Ivan]

Max Payne 2 brought new characters.. did it mess up the story?

Who did it bring up, that survive more then 1 minute. You can already eliminate *cough*man! and Annie form the list. Who beside these two are new?

Also you really think 50 - 60 is so old? When you're 21 then tell me if you think it's old.

Yes it is old. I mean Bravura at 60 is not doing the same job as Max. Max is running the streets to kill. Bravura is watching gay pr0n.

Most people work until they are 60 and then retire then, some even work until they are 65.

Good for them. May they rest in peace. But they are not running the streets of NY to kill people around.

Bravura was around 50 or so and did he walk slowly or do all that sort of stuff?

I didn't see him walk. Did you?

My point is this is possible and also opens the door to new game franchises.

Mine is that Max will be too old to protect his son from the bad guys with big guns. He will just seat in his chair.

[biXen]

Speculations are futile.

And for the geniuses that still haven't got it, Remedy won't be making any sequels. And they could set MP3 like three seconds after the end of MP2 if they wanted, I don't quite see your points. There are other people to meet in NY.

[Ivan]

My point is Max Payne 3 should be made something like 1-2 months after MP2's end. We see how Max is living throu [He has no more apartement so..] Maybe he could meet some of the Inner Cirlcle agents.. I don't have an idea about it.

I just dislike ADoomedMarine's idea. For a person to be in the police she has to be like 20 years old? And Max + 20 years = old. And he couldn't help a lot. So this idea would go nowhere.

I just hope they make MP3 happend few months after Mona's death. I am sure they will!

[ADM]

Stop making generalisations. There are alot of cops in this world who are over 50 and still do a damn good job.

Stop saying things like you know it all.

I didn't see him walk. Did you?

Did you see him in a wheelchair?

Who did it bring up, that survive more then 1 minute. You can already eliminate *cough*man! and Annie form the list. Who beside these two are new?

My point is that it introduced new character, regardless of whether they survived they were still part of the story.

Like Bix says there alot of other people to meet in New York, it's not going to be a big thing.. grow up.

[ADM]

And Max + 20 years = old. And he couldn't help a lot.

Max was shot countless times in the head and fell from a 3 story building. He has also gone up against thousands of people and still can run normally.

Realism is not a big part of the Max Payne games.

If you think a 60 year old man is well..putty you've got a lot to learn.

This is my idea, don't like it? Heres a tissue.

[Ivan]

Stop making generalisations. There are alot of cops in this world who are over 50 and still do a damn good job.

Not exactly like Max's one.

Stop saying things like you know it all.

I don't know all. But I think that you need maybe to be 18-20 years old to be a cop.

Did you see him in a wheelchair?

he will if it is 20 years after MP2.

My point is that it introduced new character, regardless of whether they survived they were still part of the story.

I don't have problems with new characters.. but not too much. I am hoping that they will have a relation with the one we know already.

[Ivan]

Realism is not a big part of the Max Payne games.

Well I think it is realistic. It is a Noir Story.

I just don't see MP3 in 20 years. No problem with new characters, but I have a problem with the interval of time between MP2 and MP3!

[ADM]

Well I think it is realistic. It is a Noir Story.

I just don't see MP3 in 20 years. No problem with new characters, but I have a problem with the interval of time between MP2 and MP3!

How does Noir = realistic? Do you even know what Noir means?

Anyway arguing with you is rather pointless, you just don't understand half the things I am trying to say to you.

[Ivan]

So let's try this for a last time!? What are you trying to say to me? That realistic is not part of Max Payne series? Make it easy to understand for me.

[Maxtream]

The meaning of 'the Fall of Max Payne' is more complex than just being limited to the season the story takes place. There was a direct reference to Max's fall after he was shot by Winterson. While he's falling he thought about 'the genius of the whole: no matter how long you've spend climbing out, you can still fall back down in an instant.' It's also a metaphor for the way the story turns out.

The ending(s) of MP2 do not necessarily cry out for a sequel, but I felt it was left often for plenty of speculations about what's going to happen to Max after the events. It was pretty much the same like in MP1 where it was left open if Woden was going to keep his promises. But after MP2 there was no one left who could bail Max out of trouble.
I doubt he'll ever work as a cop again after all the killing. If Mona survived I'm sure she has to do time.

As you can see, there are still a few unsettled plot points left which could serve as a start-up for MP3.

[ADM]

So let's try this for a last time!? What are you trying to say to me? That realistic is not part of Max Payne series? Make it easy to understand for me.

Read back and figure it out yourself, I'm not repeating myself.

[Ivan]

I know that MP2 has to be before MP, but here is what I thought:

Don't you think that discovering why Vinnie and Vlad are fighting wouldn't be interresting. We could understand so much more of the second. Maybe Annie and *cough*man! will have more big places in the game. I mean why creat new character when you can use the old one to explain things. I just see Max Payne 3 so much between this two. I just think that RS will take the characters they have and make a beautiful story out of it. No need to creat new characters!

[It is the same thing for Star Wars. They did 1-2-3, and then: BAM!, they did new 1-2-3 and put the old 1-2-3 to be 4-5-6.]

[Yes, I rechanged camps ]

And now that everybodies dead [not counting Bravura] where will max live? LOL!

Maxtream's reason is the best one on the "Fall Of Max Payne" up to now, But ADoomedMarine is the funniest!

[biXen]

Erm, Star Wars was always 4,5,6, everyone knew they were. Your points are totally lame and you fail to see any point AD makes.

[Ivan]

Is his point that whatever age Max has he will still be able to run ans kill. And that brigning new characters is a good thing/it will not mess up thing? I couldn't see something else. And that realistic things are not a prority for max payne developpers. Sorry if I missed your point. I still think that there are things between the two that need to be discover. I don't see much things that could happen to Max after. He has no home. No friends. No where to go. Poor guy.

[Hypher]

reading his points are enought o make you want to rip your eyeballs out and ask god why he created such measly minds!

Max Payne 3 should be the story of john mirra. You play as john mirra in a more twisted atmosphere.

A max payne 3 with max being old and close to retirement would actually allow for a whole range of quite cool stories.

The cop in Insomnia (the one with pacino and robin williams) he is about late 50's and he rules. IT would totally work.

You see bruvara walk when he goes past the lift before getting shot.
Old cops = interesting stories and opputinitys. Knowledge vs power kinda battle.
plus he could show he still kicks ass.

[ADM]

Maxtream's reason is the best one on the "Fall Of Max Payne" up to now, But ADoomedMarine is the funniest!

Yeah it's the funniest.. because it's the truth. <-- Keep doing that and hope that it sinks in faster for you there Ivan.

Is his point that whatever age Max has he will still be able to run ans kill. And that brigning new characters is a good thing/it will not mess up thing? I couldn't see something else. And that realistic things are not a prority for max payne developpers. Sorry if I missed your point. I still think that there are things between the two that need to be discover. I don't see much things that could happen to Max after. He has no home. No friends. No where to go. Poor guy.

OMG! Just when I thought you couldn't step even more off the track, you just ended up making yourself another one.

If I were you I would read through this whole thread bit by bit and think before posting. Either that or stop now while you still have a thread of dignity left.

[Ivan]

Okay, maybe Max being old is a good "idea". That brings me to the point that: AD won. Okay, after some reflection, maybe his son would get him into trouble. But his son doesn't need to be in the police. He could just get kidnapped. Or the kid would be a cop and max would be adultnapped. Maybe Max will be judge for what he had done, and will have to take care of Valerie's blind kid. He could get Max into big trouble!

:edit: Yeah but I don't like your explaination. I know it is the real one. Everybodies opinion. I just think that it is a stupid title.. And that I like more the other explanation. Do you get it now?

AD's reason = real one + funny
Other reason = not real one, but I like it more

[biXen]

The cop in Insomnia (the one with pacino and robin williams) he is about late 50's and he rules. IT would totally work.

Another nice Norwegian movie made into a mediocre American one

[Ivan]

A max payne 3 with max being old and close to retirement would actually allow for a whole range of quite cool stories.

Like what? I don't see that much!

OMG! Just when I thought you couldn't step even more off the track, you just ended up making yourself another one.

If I were you I would read through this whole thread bit by bit and think before posting. Either that or stop now while you still have a thread of dignity left.

Let just stop that. I mean maybe you don't even understood my point. Maybe it is not me the problem, maybe you don't know how to express yourself, for me to understand you. But I mostly think its me.

:EDIT: [/b]Is that your point:[/b]

My point is that it introduced new character, regardless of whether they survived they were still part of the story.

Like Bix says there alot of other people to meet in New York, it's not going to be a big thing.. grow up.

It says: "My point is, that means it is your point. I hope I found the good one this time.

[Hypher]

Another nice Norwegian movie made into a mediocre American one

out of all the americanized ones its probably the best.. :S

The ring...anyone?

I liked pacino in it tho. he pulled off the aging cop well.

[Ivan]

Damn this movie or whatever.. this is not the subject!

A max payne 3 with max being old and close to retirement would actually allow for a whole range of quite cool stories.

Like what? Max Payne being old doesn't offer much stories as when he was young. I bet that flashbacks could help!

I was just analizing Max situation a while ago: No family. Everyone he loves or cares about is dead [This is why I don't put Bravura in it]. He has no home, and has ennemies. He killed thousand of people and killed Winterson. How can this turn into a third story?

[John Mirra]

I think Maxtream makes some good points.

Max quite likely wouldn't join the force again. When he was undercover in the DEA, he was betrayed by BB (speaking of BB, are we sure he didn't survived?), and now he was betrayed by Winterson while in the NYPD. He has been constantly betrayed by those around him; even by Mona. By the end of MP2, you have a feeling that he's done all he can for and by the law, and he might consider that it hasn't done much better for him in return.

He has no friends. No allies left. Bravura might be alive, but that isn't enough. I'd wager Mona would survive (i think keeping her alive would be the right choice in terms of cannon), and would either do time, or escape again.

As it stands, Max's future is uncertain. I'd prefer if it kept uncertain, but in the event of a sequel, it would be interesting to see how he would escape all the killings, now that the Inner Circle is toast and Woden is gone (unless someone does the cheesy thing and has Woden survive by a miracle ). Theres also Mona. Mariamus will mention Vinnie as an unresolved plot point somewhere down the road, too

[Ivan]

You are maybe right. Someone from the first, that we already forgot, has maybe survive. Have you forgot that Max killed Winterson? He killed many innocent people too. He will be judge on what he had done. Maybe go into jail. Valerie had a blind kid. Someone has to take care of s/he. I think that Bravura will not be a friend of Max, if there is a third one. I hope they take the first ending and that MP3 will not take place 20 years after. If this happens, then I think flashbacks will be needed.

Wouldn't it be easier for them if they do it between. They don't have to create other characters and the story is easy to create.

[Wamplet]

Vlad's Limo Driver!????

[Ivan]

Vlad's Limo Driver!????

You are laghing but it could turn up that he is really a big evil.. you never know! I think it is a character that said more them one word.

[John Mirra]

Vlad's Limo Driver!????

[Hypher]

Damn this movie or whatever.. this is not the subject!

it had relation to it. By what you followed with I guess you havent seen or heard of it.

Like what? Max Payne being old doesn't offer much stories as when he was young. I bet that flashbacks could help!

Please no, flashbacks are far too much of a cliché.
It would open a new area of stories because Max may be old but wiser than the average person. Instead of just guns and braun they could make the story take even more of a detective route involving a lot more twists using max's knowledge to sew it all together in a tightly woven plot.
Instead of it being all about max (cos he has pretty much got over his past by the end of mp2) he would be free to use in other stories not totally centring on his personal life.

I was just analizing Max situation a while ago: No family. Everyone he loves or cares about is dead [This is why I don't put Bravura in it]. He has no home, and has ennemies. He killed thousand of people and killed Winterson. How can this turn into a third story?

Because he did that before? He had no family or any one that cared about him at the end of MP1.
Like people have been repeating, why can't fresh new characters be brought in?
A whole new game with a familiar character.

It could work. Plus it would allow easier scripting by another writer instead of thinking they had to use already designed characters.

New gamers could play an innovative storyline then if they want to know max's character go play the first two.
Old gamers get to see Max in a fresher light and learn a little more but not an overload of woes.

Max Payne 3 : Leaving Noir York
Max Payne 4: The Carribean Cases :P


Might be good for Take 2's sales

[The Borg]

How did you find this? That means I am a bit late.

you're late? there's a shock.

welcome to two years ago when it wa first posted.

[Ivan]

Well you are late too. This post was made in the begining. You should have said that in the beggining, too. Let's just keep it on subject! Thank you.

[Dr.Dude]

Please no, flashbacks are far too much of a cliché.
It would open a new area of stories because Max may be old but wiser than the average person. Instead of just guns and braun they could make the story take even more of a detective route involving a lot more twists using max's knowledge to sew it all together in a tightly woven plot.

A 50-year old Max Payne would be awesome. Sort of an aging badass at his last line. Maybe (this wouldn't be so evident in the gameplay) but because of all those painkillers and so on it would really involve you into the story as his health and mind are slowly collapsing.

[Mariamus]

I would like to point out that Vinnie is a likely unresolved plot point too!

you were absolutely right about me John Mirra

[Ivan]

I mean everybody is saying that an old Max would be better. Give me one little exemple of a plot with a Max of 60-65 years old. Something like: "Come here my little son, grand-pa is going to tell you a beatiful story! Don't be affraid!" I mean come on! Max being young is way much cool. I don't want to see the actor doing Bravura switching to be the model for Max. Sorry Sweetie Bravura!

[John Mirra]

I would like to point out that Vinnie is a likely unresolved plot point too!

you were absolutely right about me John Mirra

I mean everybody is saying that an old Max would be better. Give me one little exemple of a plot with a Max of 60-65 years old. Something like: "Come here my little son, grand-pa is going to tell you a beatiful story! Don't be affraid!" I mean come on! Max being young is way much cool. I don't want to see the actor doing Bravura switching to be the model for Max. Sorry Sweetie Bravura!

Can you imagine Payne in a wheelchair chasing bad guys? Amazing. Max Payne 5: eXtreme Wheelchair Freestyling Cop Action! With Bullettime 5.1!!

[Ivan]

Can you imagine Payne in a wheelchair chasing bad guys? Amazing. Max Payne 5: eXtreme Wheelchair Freestyling Cop Action! With Bullettime 5.1!!

Yeah right, and I like to drink my warm milk while putting shoes in my nose.

You see! You don't even have an exemple. "It would be cool": My ass! In a weel chair? Erm..let me think...what about...NO!

I still stick with the idea that Max younger is better and it gives you more scenarios then the old crappy Payne!

[DigitalHammer]

Yeah right, and I like to drink my warm milk while putting shoes in my nose.

You see! You don't even have an exemple. "It would be cool": My ass! In a weel chair? Erm..let me think...what about...NO!

I still stick with the idea that Max younger is better and it gives you more scenarios then the old crappy Payne!

Are you kidding? Max Payne universe characters in wheelchairs would rock! I mean c'mon what's more fun than doing aerial wheelies in bullet time while dodging an 80-year old geriatric tossing plates of reproccessed Valkyre pudding at you? And do all this with the Harlem Globetrotters theme playing in the background?

[Ivan]

Are you kidding? Max Payne universe characters in wheelchairs would rock! I mean c'mon what's more fun than doing aerial wheelies in bullet time while dodging an 80-year old geriatric tossing plates of reproccessed Valkyre pudding at you? And do all this with the Harlem Globetrotters theme playing in the background?

Something like..erm...let me think...ALL! I mean this is too unrealistic!