Jace Hall's web show to talk about DNF Thursday!

[MegaMustaine]

You people have to remember that the footage is over a year and a half old.

[Karmeck]

Did anyone els see the weird gfx bug with the pig cops? Look like they all had swords in them or they were hanging from a rope.

[edscorp]

Yeah... we shouldn't forget that it's old footage, but damn it had me wanting to play it so bad!! It all came rushing back (the hope it is still alive) and IMHO the graphics looked pretty good. It would be nice to get a demo out of all this at the very least.

[crunchy superman]

Originally Posted by mysteryperfecta

This is just sour grapes. There's no reason to think that the media we've seen is representative of the final product.

Hence the "IF" in that sentence. And I think we have every right to have a soured attitude about this whole mess.

What you're watching is about two minutes of a work-in-progress. I hope you wouldn't review a movie based on a 30-second scene from a work print, or judge a book based on a couple pages from a second draft.

If, over a dozen years, all we ever saw of an upcoming movie were a couple of 30-second clips only to have the film canceled, you're damn right I would judge it based on all of that! What would you prefer to judge it on? Empty promises?

[Lethe]

It is very funny how some fans are determined to find excuse for every bad thing related to DNF. Considering that game is pretty much dead, it is also a great example of irony and living in denial.

I was browsing through leaked screens again this afternoon, and boy, it really surprises me how inconsistent and messy the whole thing looks.

[Xefaros]

I liked the footage a lot and with those graphs i could say it would bring something not new but something in the market even if it is 2 years old footage.

[Jackhole]

I would think there is enuff of the game to where they could just release a online only play of the game.. Me personally never even play the cpu or co-op.

[edscorp]

To my knowledge there has been no official statement informing us the game is in fact "dead". I don't consider myself living in "denial", at this point we simply don't know it's fate. From what I saw it looked good visually and I think "messy" may be a bit harsh. Jace was upfront and told us it was old footage, so who knows what it looks like in it's current form. It is as he said it was, a tribute to DNF.

[lordlonelobo]

I dunno for sure, but that whole weird pole thing looks like a graphics artifact, usually that's an issue with the graphics card though. I dunno.

Looked pretty good otherwise, though, I thought.

[Willem-Jan]

Originally Posted by Loke

Serge from Duke4.net uploaded the DNF footage on Megaupload here.

Thank you!

[KaiserSoze]

I liked what I saw. Not a big deal at all with the graphic bugs, that's to be expected.

Most of it looked pretty polished and the framerate seemed pretty solid. Looked like some good AI with the enemies taking cover and such.

Would have liked to see some of the groundbreaking interactivity George has been talking about for the game.

Since the footage was obviously taken from 1 or 2 levels, I think it's a bit unfair for someone to say "yeah, doesn't look so hot....blah blah". The brief glimpses of the mine cart ride outside looked bright and colorful along with the underwater leech battle.

Still pretty bummed we may never get to play this.

[Angelo86]

YouTube link => GO!

[JobivanHiob]

Duke oh Duke were are you....

I wish I had a time machine!





I guess my avatar will never reach the light!




Just let it go...

Amen

[ryche]

Another Youtube video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrTYDVM2G1Y

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Originally Posted by wieder

The footage isn't really much. No interactivity shown. Just kinda longer versions of the same stuff that we saw short clips of. And some strange rendering bug with a big giant beam coming out of every pigcop.

Yeah that beam thing was odd.

[marioman360]

I dunno about you guys but i liked the footage.
other than the shakey camera thing that Jace Hall does, i was impressed aside from the bug with the poles sticking out of pigcops and even that was fixed in the animation demo leaked a while back.

[Saul]

Great video wicked looking game.

Little graphic glitches aren't a problem - I'm sure in 1.5 years they could fix that.

[mysteryperfecta]

Originally Posted by crunchy superman

Hence the "IF" in that sentence. And I think we have every right to have a soured attitude about this whole mess.

Well, I reject the suggestion that's its even a possibility. Its like looking at a house halfway into the framing stage and saying, "If this is what the house is going to look like..." Its simply not. Its not finished.

As for a soured attitude, brother, fire away. Your feelings are well justified. But you can be critical and still be fair, imo.

If, over a dozen years, all we ever saw of an upcoming movie were a couple of 30-second clips only to have the film canceled, you're damn right I would judge it based on all of that! What would you prefer to judge it on? Empty promises?

No, we would simply never be able to pass judgement on the merits of the film. Now if we're talking about the merits of the people involved, then by all means, judge away! GB's place in gaming infamy is etched in granite.

[Caine]

all people who think the footage is awesome really are too much fanboyish..... i am a due fan since it came out in the past (yeah im old) but this movie was nothing spectacular at all, more disappointingly
man i still think it looks more like serious sam 3 than a duke game. also kinda consolish feeling...

for sure no one can make a decision of just a few tiny clips but this really looks not impressive at all, nothing like duke, he is also so boring running? and shooting looks also boring out.

the 2001 trailer had a much faster pace, i hope if duke4ever will be released it will be also fast paced...

[MegaMustaine]

Originally Posted by Caine

all people who think the footage is awesome really are too much fanboyish.....

Yeah, all people who think the footage looks good must be fanboys.

[Caine]

Originally Posted by MegaMustaine

Yeah, all people who think the footage looks good must be fanboys.

so what makes it good? i see no duke style at all.

[Xefaros]

Originally Posted by Caine

all people who think the footage is awesome really are too much fanboyish

For an unfinished game WITH bugs that it isnt realy yet announced and it lacked information and previews i say it got my attention cuz i see most of the monsters,guns and i guess some levels was worked on.And dont forget this is either unreal engine or IDtech4 engine + 2 year old.(+ its rolled with a handycam)

Originally Posted by Caine

i am a due fan since it came out in the past (yeah im old) but this movie was nothing spectacular at all, more disappointingly
man i still think it looks more like serious sam 3 than a duke game. also kinda consolish feeling...

adopt adapt and improve as round table said.Nowdays we cant see a doom1 like game(go out KIIIIILL).From what i see it has same monsters same weapons aliens babes and a badass pwning aliens...sound DUKE for me

Of course no one can put a X/10 to a game before it comes out and not every1 will be happy with what they will play.i dont realy care if it ever comes out,there are tons of good games to pass some time with but if it came out i would play it

[Caine]

read clearly haha, i wrote that we cannot make a verdict yet of course, but this build is from january, so the overall concept is finished, fanboys...

[Xefaros]

Originally Posted by Caine

read clearly haha, i wrote that we cannot make a verdict yet of course, but this build is from january, so the overall concept is finished, fanboys...

yea they didnt released it for 12 years and now if they dont like it they will release it ffs?They can start over like 6 times ago if they still have the license

[Caine]

Originally Posted by Xefaros

yea they didnt released it for 12 years and now if they dont like it they will release it ffs?They can start over like 6 times ago if they still have the license

for sure, haha even a bigger joke......

[QuiGonJ]

http://jacehall.tv/2009/06/11/the-ja...trek-reuinion/

This is the link where I saw it. The footage shown looked like levels from Prey. If that's the real current art direction of DNF (and all the leaked stuff points in that direction), then I would recommend listening to the people who made the Appleseed cgi films who said something to the effect that obvious cel shading is better because the brain gets puts off by stuff that looks close to real but isn't.

[lordlonelobo]

Anyway, that site that his video is hosted on, is the worst video site I've ever seen.

[Tualmasok]

Originally Posted by WoodenSword

No!!! As i posted in Duke4.net, i prefer you as Neo in the Matrix trying to wake up people from their sleep .

We want the red pill!

Wasn't that Morpheus more than Neo?

God I hate the Matrix series. Reloaded was the biggest piece of anti-climax crap, and then they turned around and let that crap leak into the third movie, which actually had potential!

You brought up the Matrix, not me...

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Originally Posted by SplatterHappy

He'd also have to add that he managed to convince Take 2 to drop the lawsuit.

But all's good: George has a new garage door and blew 7.5 grand in his yearly poker game not to mention $35 on a so so hamburger... what's not to be happy about? With frugality like that, 3DR couldn't really have run out of money, could they?*



*The above questions are not meant to be answered. Please see the dictionary entry for "sarcasm".

Bahaha! Comedy GOLD!

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Originally Posted by mysteryperfecta

This is just sour grapes. There's no reason to think that the media we've seen is representative of the final product. That hasn't been the impetus behind any of what's been released. Furthermore, there IS NO final product. What you're watching is about two minutes of a work-in-progress. I hope you wouldn't review a movie based on a 30-second scene from a work print, or judge a book based on a couple pages from a second draft.

Well said. Very well said. Too bad some people do EXACTLY what you have suggested.

[EvilJeff]

Impressive....12 year wait for a buggy Doom 3 clone, possibly with some emergent AI. Where's the extreme interactivity? They would have been far better off releasing a decent quake1/quake 2 based Duke then dragging their feet 12 years to produce what seems to amount to a copy of Doom 3. Also, where's Duke's "'tude", the supposed distinguishing factor. This is why I have little interest in the 360 and PS3, most of the games seem like an endless sea of sci-fi shooters that all blend together after a while - I enjoy shooters on occasion, but how many dark corridors and glowing weapons do you need?

[nels]

Originally Posted by EvilJeff

Impressive....12 year wait for a buggy Doom 3 clone, possibly with some emergent AI. Where's the extreme interactivity? They would have been far better off releasing a decent quake1/quake 2 based Duke then dragging their feet 12 years to produce what seems to amount to a copy of Doom 3. Also, where's Duke's "'tude", the supposed distinguishing factor. This is why I have little interest in the 360 and PS3, most of the games seem like an endless sea of sci-fi shooters that all blend together after a while - I enjoy shooters on occasion, but how many dark corridors and glowing weapons do you need?

how can you even say all that from watching some shaky camera looking at a monitor showing a little bit of almost nothing off. im sure all the stuff your rambling on about is there, maybe its NOT, but geez WHY MAKE ACTUAL JUDGEMENTS on the whole game over this!!! what is wrong with you people??

[WoodenSword]

(duke4.net)

Wow, Wieder is exactly like Neo in Matrix, trying to wake up people from false reality!

"I know you're out there.I can feel you now.
I know that you're afraid.You're afraid of change.
I don't know the future.
I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end.
I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
I'll hang up this phone. And then I'll show these people what you don't want them to see.

I'm going to show them a world...

...without DNF..."

Originally Posted by Tualmasok

Wasn't that Morpheus more than Neo?

They were both,but Wieder is the Chosen one.


edit: These bullets in the pic are the aggressive, fanboys' in denial posts against Wieder

[Xefaros]

For those who thought that after 12 years expect they would see something they would devote their time on waiting outside the shop to buy the very first copy i have to say HA HA.Gaming industry isnt like 1996 where they prodused low number of games that noone had seen em again and was great games... If u want good graphs go play the new crytec's engine game(when it come out) if u want good story play games from 2000-2006.If u want to play a real Duke nukem go play duke nukem 3d.When in the game industry for the year 20009 900 games(actual numbers) will come out its hard to see a perfect game for each person.There are teams over 30-40 people that work on one product dont compare those teams with 3drealms that employs lesser people per product

[Firstperson]

Originally Posted by Xefaros

For those who thought that after 12 years expect they would see something they would devote their time on waiting outside the shop to buy the very first copy i have to say HA HA.Gaming industry isnt like 1996 where they prodused low number of games that noone had seen em again and was great games... If u want good graphs go play the new crytec's engine game(when it come out) if u want good story play games from 2000-2006.If u want to play a real Duke nukem go play duke nukem 3d.When in the game industry for the year 20009 900 games(actual numbers) will come out its hard to see a perfect game for each person.There are teams over 30-40 people that work on one product dont compare those teams with 3drealms that employs lesser people per product

Acutally we DID acutally see SOMETHING after 12 years.... but that was only AFTER George let the team go because of a lack of funding.

[0marTheZealot]

Pretty unimpressive.

Looked like Prey with a weapons mod. I wonder if George B. had any say in what levels Jace Hall played. Generally, you either play the best levels or the weakest levels, depending on what type of feedback you want.

[Thriller]

(previously) Leaked video combined with Jace interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ptqn...eature=related

Pretty nice.

Edit: He does talk about interactivity. So, question is, has he seen it or heard the vision?
Was the old interview however, I think?

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Uhm.. what?
This build is old and it looked pretty good. Levels felt a bit booring, but we´ve already seen examples of not-booring levels.

Graphics looks pretty "this-gen", they where hardly behind or anything.

I seriously wonder if Take2 had a legitim reason to pull the plug on this, or if theres more truth in the 3DR press release.

Omar,
Watch the leaked video. This is definatly not one of their prime levels. Atleast not in the current build.

Now all we need is to see the actually essence of the game: interactivity. Thats the piece missing. Missing from the actual build as well?

[lordlonelobo]

I'm surprised the graphics looked that impressive for being Unreal Engine 2. Granted, UE2 is very scalable, and they've rewritten parts of it (renderer, other stuff), but I dunno. I thought it looked very good.

Although, one thing I noticed, Duke's model was half-made, and then mirrored for the other side. You can tell by looking at his veins, they're identical on both sides.

In gameplay, chances of noticing that are slim, though.

[EvilJeff]

I'll admit, after watching that last video, it does look pretty decent, and some of the AI elements (assuming it's not scripted), such as the pig alien dropping the door on the other one look neat, it would be a fun shooter, but honestly it doesn't look like anything that really hasn't been done before. It looked fun, but didn't blow my socks off or anything.

[Saul]

Just what are you expecting, ffs?

[Skullmonkey]

When I saw the footage I was reminded of Prey. In fact, I didn't think it was DNF, I thought it was an expansion pack to Prey or a semi-sequel, not a full fledged sequel because the graphics were on par with the first. But yeah, I thought it was Prey content.

[Shadow-Con]

Originally Posted by Caine

for sure no one can make a decision of just a few tiny clips but this really looks not impressive at all, nothing like duke, he is also so boring running? and shooting looks also boring out.

the 2001 trailer had a much faster pace, i hope if duke4ever will be released it will be also fast paced...

as the Q & A stated, they didn't have intentions on making duke as beastly fast as he was in 3d, but make it more realistic

[Altered Reality]

Originally Posted by Skullmonkey

When I saw the footage I was reminded of Prey. In fact, I didn't think it was DNF, I thought it was an expansion pack to Prey or a semi-sequel, not a full fledged sequel because the graphics were on par with the first. But yeah, I thought it was Prey content.

Since Prey was released, I had the impression that Prey and DNF would tell the same story from two different points of view (which would have actually been quite cool IMO). Not only there were similarities in gameplay (the November 1997 issue of PC Gamer mentioned "gravity boots" to walk on walls and ceilings in DNF; the 2001 trailer showed Duke breaking an arm off a crustacean thing like Tommy does with the crawler grenades in Prey) but several enemies of Prey and DNF look and behave alike:
- Prey hunters = DNF liztroops
- Prey harvesters with jetpacks = DNF fat commanders
- Prey gasbags = DNF octabrains
- Prey fodders = DNF small monsters from the Jace Hall footage
- Prey centurions = DNF battlelords
- Prey mutates = DNF pigcops