DNF Demo $5

Saul · 05-19-2009, 09:44 AM

I wonder if 3DR ever considered releasing a level or two of DNF... for like $5 as a "demo"

They used to release demos in the past, why not now?

That would give fans something to play, and 3DR some cash flow...

prophecy holder · 05-19-2009, 09:50 AM

Those demo's were free, I doubt any intelligent customer would pay money for two levels. But there are always the hardcore fanboys who will buy anything relating to thier favorite <enter whatever his favorite thing is here>.

Sooner or later there will be a Duke nukem monopoly. Do not pass go, do not collect $200 single dollar bills lol.

Alhexx · 05-19-2009, 10:39 AM

Actually, IF DNF is far enough that 3DRealms would be able to build a demo version, it might be a good idea to do this and release it for free.
This way, potential investors may be attracted...

Jiminator · 05-19-2009, 11:32 AM

eh, an episode would be better. say first 5 levels of 20 for $20. I'd go for that easy.

naddie · 05-19-2009, 11:45 AM

I think a couple bucks for a Prey-like demo for hardcore fans before am official demo is out is a good way to prove DNF's viability for investment is a good idea. It will help with funding, too. It will help their case.

They can release lt for free instead, which will only do the latter.

Lutzifer · 05-19-2009, 01:12 PM

dn3d shareware, anyone?

Needle · 05-19-2009, 01:46 PM

Only the most demented fans would pay for this. The rest of humanity would point and laugh. Not a good idea.

prophecy holder · 05-19-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Needle

Only the most demented fans would pay for this. The rest of humanity would point and laugh. Not a good idea.

Exactly, now maybe if it was 20 levels and only $5 then I beleive everyone would buy it. Hell with the mess going around they'll be lucky enough just to get the game released.

DNF should only be $5-10 dollar, billions will be sold world wide.

Thewho · 05-19-2009, 02:47 PM

Just release the first half of the game for half the price, and then finish up the second and release it later.

Needle · 05-19-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Thewho

Just release the first half of the game for half the price, and then finish up the second and release it later.

It might surprise you to learn that games aren't finished starting from the first level to the last.

What I'm trying to say is that the first half of the game is probably just as unfinished as the last one.

Onebullit · 05-19-2009, 03:19 PM

I don't think you can ask money for a demo, and if you could ask money for it who would buy a demo ?

3DR can maybe release a DNF Prologue

... and they can ask more than 5$.

Thewho · 05-19-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Needle

It might surprise you to learn that games aren't finished starting from the first level to the last.

What I'm trying to say is that the first half of the game is probably just as unfinished as the last one.

I know, but supposedly most of the levels were in the 90% complete range, so if they could finish up just one half of the game with a small team.....

MrBlackCat · 05-19-2009, 04:17 PM

Looks like they could just sell Duke Nukem Forever 2001 preview DVD's to support the company...

The content might all be free, but it isn't being bought for the content...

Have a look.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170330894677

MrBlackCat

Mroblivious1bmf · 05-19-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by prophecy holder

Exactly, now maybe if it was 20 levels and only $5 then I beleive everyone would buy it. Hell with the mess going around they'll be lucky enough just to get the game released.

DNF should only be $5-10 dollar, billions will be sold world wide.

uh....NO.

prophecy holder · 05-19-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mroblivious1bmf

uh....NO.

Well it best be the second coming of christ to deserve the $50 mark and worth the 13+ years of waiting (counting the next year).

naddie · 05-20-2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Needle

Only the most demented fans would pay for this. The rest of humanity would point and laugh. Not a good idea.

Why not? Gran Turismo has been doing it with their "Prolouge".

JackpotDen · 05-20-2009, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

Looks like they could just sell Duke Nukem Forever 2001 preview DVD's to support the company...

The content might all be free, but it isn't being bought for the content...

Have a look.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170330894677

MrBlackCat

Quote:

Q: what exactly is it? a working demo or just a video.
A: It's a video.

Quote:

Winning bid: US $158.05

broke my brain.

tonicer · 05-20-2009, 03:44 AM

I would definitely pay money for an official demo of DNF, just like most people i know.
I know a lotta people who can't wait another "wid" years for DNF, they too would pay for a demo.

Agulf · 05-20-2009, 04:15 AM

I'd pay for episodic content without hesitation. Steam comes to mind yet again.
And I feel I could pay $10-15 for a stand alone "demo" of the stadium boss fight.

djc23 · 05-20-2009, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Needle

It might surprise you to learn that games aren't finished starting from the first level to the last.

While I do understand your point if you actually look at the way most games, particularly those in the FPS genre, taper off into bland, uninspired repetition it's quite obvious games are made in a more start to finish way than, say, films. So I wouldn't doubt that the opening levels are closer to completetion than the later ones.

On topic: I think that this situation is made for episodic content. Well actually 3D Realms previous situation, when they had developers, was made for espisodic content. I'm sure George just wanted to get it all done so it would have maximum impact (I believe that was the reason for all the secrecy too. I'm sure they wanted to create a complete experience and not have it tainted/spoiled by trailers and endless previews. Which is a fantastic idea, as long as you can get the game done in a reasonable time that is) but it would have been a much smarter bet to make smaller episodes to fund further development.

aku · 05-20-2009, 04:45 AM

a demo is supposed to be free! Duke Nukem or not this is a bad idea. I really hate that concept of charging people for something that should and has almost always been free.

And when do people realise that there are no employees to make the damn demo in the first place. Do you think George and Scott are gonna sit down and make it, test it etc. Please be realistic, relax and wait for some more info on what is gonna happen.

Razorback · 05-20-2009, 05:34 AM

I may be wrong, but didn't Apogee or 3DRealms start the concept of shareware?

LadiesAndGentlemen · 05-20-2009, 08:28 AM

Right now a demo would be the only reasonable thing to do, but knowing George, he's probably deleted entirely the latest build and moved on to Cryengine with the money he's made selling his house.

Mr.Fibbles · 05-20-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Thewho

Just release the first half of the game for half the price, and then finish up the second and release it later.

Valve already does that but they charge full price.

Jiminator · 05-20-2009, 11:17 AM

orange box was a whole bunch more than just a single episode.

fast-1 · 05-20-2009, 05:04 PM

This is really something to keep at it, the developers have left due to lack of funding. 3DR cannot hire and complete the game. A lot of the game has been made, but what about audio and music. If the demo would be released it would have no extra work done with no one to develop it. This thread is just to keep on and on about the game.

3DR are a great team and should be helped to stay in business not kept on to make this game. Even if there is a demo, who would publish it and distribute it ?

Saul · 05-20-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fast-1

3DR are a great team and should be helped to stay in business not kept on to make this game. Even if there is a demo, who would publish it and distribute it ?

It's not particularly hard to put a download up on the internet and charge $5 for it. They are doing that already with their ancient 2D DOS games.

Amakou · 05-20-2009, 05:19 PM

If they were to do it, they would have to deduct the demo price from retail when you buy the full product.

~Amakou~

MrBlackCat · 05-20-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JackpotDen

broke my brain.

(I hope you realize I was being sarcastic for the most part... but I was trying to demonstrate the power of the Duke Nukem name... I was second bidder.)

MrBlackCat

SS202 · 05-20-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Needle

Only the most demented fans would pay for this. The rest of humanity would point and laugh. Not a good idea.

2 levels of DNF for $5? I'd buy it. Shit I'd buy it twice. Think about it, you go to an arcade, you spend your $5 and it doesn't go far. Stay at home, get the duke demo for $5 and play it for as long as you want and investigate everything in the maps as much as you want, I know I personally would probably get a hell of a lot of enjoyment out of those two maps.

It sounds good to me... though it being a demo it really ought to be free, but 3DR needs the dosh and I'd have no problem handing out a tiny amount of money, to get a glimpse of what I've been waiting 12 years to see :P

I guess another idea would be to do what Valve is doing with Half Life 3... HL2 Eps 1 and 2 are effectively HL3's first and second installments.

Something off-topic, anyone notice the job that's advertised on the 3DR site? It's probably just an out-dated page but I'm kind of hoping it's not.
http://www.3drealms.com/gethired.html

gamerfreak · 05-20-2009, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

Looks like they could just sell Duke Nukem Forever 2001 preview DVD's to support the company...

The content might all be free, but it isn't being bought for the content...

Have a look.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170330894677

MrBlackCat

Oh my god, they got ripped off majorly. That video is all over the net. Practicly anytime dnf or Duke Nukem Forever is put in google, that shows up.

Babe · 05-20-2009, 09:55 PM

I would pay $5 for a 3 to 3 level DNF Demo. And no I wouldn't want $ 5 discount on the full retail game when it will be release either. Come on its on $ 5. We spend way lot more money on beers, useless girls that just waste our time in pubs and on useless junk food. Why count 5 dollars now. This is nothing but cheap ass talking, spending 5 bucks on the demo and therefore wanting 5 bucks discount on the full game

. Seriously I am suprised that they dont want 3DR to deliver the game to their door step in a lambourghini with Angelina Jolie in bikinis just because they have donated 5 bucks for a game demo which otherwise they would have wasted in a pub/drink anyway.

*ITS ONLY 5 BUCKS*

3dwizzard · 05-20-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Babe

lambourghini with Angelina Jolie in bikinis

I would *fap* to that if you have posted it when she was still *fap* material.
Seriously, she is in the dead zone now, nothing sexy about her anymore.
She is dried up and all granny like.

SS202 · 05-20-2009, 10:33 PM

Also, releasing a demo, free or not, would give the modding community a huge jump start even if the game isn't released for another 2 (or more) years.

Waiter · 05-21-2009, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Thewho

I know, but supposedly most of the levels were in the 90% complete range, so if they could finish up just one half of the game with a small team.....

...they may as well finish the other half as well.

As for the demo, try asking the question outside of these fan flooded forums to see how many people are actually prepared to pay for a demo. You won't even get as far as having to think about how to get Take 2 to spend time and money on distributing it...

Audiothor · 05-21-2009, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul

I wonder if 3DR ever considered releasing a level or two of DNF... for like $5 as a "demo"

They used to release demos in the past, why not now?

That would give fans something to play, and 3DR some cash flow...

I hate to say this but I really don't think that a demo is likely - It would mean that the graphics engine was completely finished and that all the AI and weapons, well... just about everything was done and ready.

If they were that close to releasing the game then do you think we would be having this conversation ???

QuiGonJ · 05-21-2009, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Thewho

Just release the first half of the game for half the price, and then finish up the second and release it later.

I've suggested the same thing.. just finish the first half, then call the rest "DLC" like all the other game developers do these days.

prophecy holder · 05-21-2009, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuiGonJ

I've suggested the same thing.. just finish the first half, then call the rest "DLC" like all the other game developers do these days.

DLC means you got to pay for it, don't know why pc users are using console terms to describe stuff these days. Wait a minute, computer and console = fifteen complete letters without using the word 'and'.

Now take 3D Realms and you get 8 letters, so 15 x 8 = 120

Now pc really means personal computer so the letters = 16

120 x 16 = 1920 / 8 (3D Realms) and you get 240.

Ok now you take 1920 - 240 and you get 1680 \ 16 (number of letters in personal computer) = 105.

Now you take 105 / 15 (computer and console letters, Which DNF will be released on) and now you have 7 + the number of letters in 3D Realms and your final answer is 15.

15 = years

So DNF will actually take 15 years to complete and not a year longer. Just another piece to the puzzle that is The Duke Nukem code.

fast-1 · 05-21-2009, 10:51 AM

Learning how to set levels is easy when you know how, at this stage It'll take years. But why change things when you got a great game set up already, you get demo's when the games finished.

MrBlackCat · 05-21-2009, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamerfreak

Oh my god, they got ripped off majorly. That video is all over the net. Practicly anytime dnf or Duke Nukem Forever is put in google, that shows up.

It does? Hmm... I guess you need a special internet connection to download a sealed DVD in a case... all I have ever been able to download is copies of data and such like files. Hmmm.

(some people just don't get it...

)

MrBlackCat

05-19-2009, 09:44 AM	#1
Saul	DNF Demo $5 I wonder if 3DR ever considered releasing a level or two of DNF... for like $5 as a "demo" They used to release demos in the past, why not now? That would give fans something to play, and 3DR some cash flow...

05-19-2009, 09:50 AM	#2
prophecy holder	Re: DNF Demo $5 Those demo's were free, I doubt any intelligent customer would pay money for two levels. But there are always the hardcore fanboys who will buy anything relating to thier favorite <enter whatever his favorite thing is here>. Sooner or later there will be a Duke nukem monopoly. Do not pass go, do not collect $200 single dollar bills lol. __________________ "Ever since I was a little boy, dressing up has always been...my greatest joy. But when It's time to be discreet, there is one thing you just can't beat and that's a strapless backless classical little black dress" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e4BCOrLmJ0

05-19-2009, 10:39 AM	#3
Alhexx	Re: DNF Demo $5 Actually, IF DNF is far enough that 3DRealms would be able to build a demo version, it might be a good idea to do this and release it for free. This way, potential investors may be attracted...

05-19-2009, 11:32 AM	#4
Jiminator	Re: DNF Demo $5 eh, an episode would be better. say first 5 levels of 20 for $20. I'd go for that easy. __________________ big badass nasty weapons here....

05-19-2009, 11:45 AM	#5
naddie	Re: DNF Demo $5 I think a couple bucks for a Prey-like demo for hardcore fans before am official demo is out is a good way to prove DNF's viability for investment is a good idea. It will help with funding, too. It will help their case. They can release lt for free instead, which will only do the latter.

05-19-2009, 01:12 PM	#6
Lutzifer	Re: DNF Demo $5 dn3d shareware, anyone? __________________ www.psygamer.net :::: uzi - n3rd > m3t4l

05-19-2009, 01:46 PM	#7
Needle	Re: DNF Demo $5 Only the most demented fans would pay for this. The rest of humanity would point and laugh. Not a good idea.

05-19-2009, 02:47 PM	#9
Thewho	Re: DNF Demo $5 Just release the first half of the game for half the price, and then finish up the second and release it later.

05-19-2009, 03:19 PM	#11
Onebullit	Re: DNF Demo $5 I don't think you can ask money for a demo, and if you could ask money for it who would buy a demo ? 3DR can maybe release a DNF Prologue ... and they can ask more than 5$.

05-19-2009, 04:17 PM	#13
MrBlackCat	Re: DNF Demo $5 Looks like they could just sell Duke Nukem Forever 2001 preview DVD's to support the company... The content might all be free, but it isn't being bought for the content... Have a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170330894677 MrBlackCat __________________ YES! I do wear my Duke Xtreme t-shirt every day!* :) (Not really, sometimes I wear my Time to Kill* t-shirt... like while I am washing my other Duke shirts for instance.) :)

05-20-2009, 03:44 AM	#18
tonicer	Re: DNF Demo $5 I would definitely pay money for an official demo of DNF, just like most people i know. I know a lotta people who can't wait another "wid" years for DNF, they too would pay for a demo.

05-20-2009, 04:15 AM	#19
Agulf	Re: DNF Demo $5 I'd pay for episodic content without hesitation. Steam comes to mind yet again. And I feel I could pay $10-15 for a stand alone "demo" of the stadium boss fight. __________________ pro lurker

05-20-2009, 04:45 AM	#21
aku	Re: DNF Demo $5 a demo is supposed to be free! Duke Nukem or not this is a bad idea. I really hate that concept of charging people for something that should and has almost always been free. And when do people realise that there are no employees to make the damn demo in the first place. Do you think George and Scott are gonna sit down and make it, test it etc. Please be realistic, relax and wait for some more info on what is gonna happen.

05-20-2009, 05:34 AM	#22
Razorback	Re: DNF Demo $5 I may be wrong, but didn't Apogee or 3DRealms start the concept of shareware?

05-20-2009, 08:28 AM	#23
LadiesAndGentlemen	Re: DNF Demo $5 Right now a demo would be the only reasonable thing to do, but knowing George, he's probably deleted entirely the latest build and moved on to Cryengine with the money he's made selling his house.

05-20-2009, 11:17 AM	#25
Jiminator	Re: DNF Demo $5 orange box was a whole bunch more than just a single episode. __________________ big badass nasty weapons here....

05-20-2009, 05:04 PM	#26
fast-1	Re: DNF Demo $5 This is really something to keep at it, the developers have left due to lack of funding. 3DR cannot hire and complete the game. A lot of the game has been made, but what about audio and music. If the demo would be released it would have no extra work done with no one to develop it. This thread is just to keep on and on about the game. 3DR are a great team and should be helped to stay in business not kept on to make this game. Even if there is a demo, who would publish it and distribute it ?

05-20-2009, 05:19 PM	#28
Amakou	Re: DNF Demo $5 If they were to do it, they would have to deduct the demo price from retail when you buy the full product. ~Amakou~ __________________ I'm a Hitman fan It'll be done When It's Done!

05-20-2009, 09:55 PM	#32
Babe	Re: DNF Demo $5 I would pay $5 for a 3 to 3 level DNF Demo. And no I wouldn't want $ 5 discount on the full retail game when it will be release either. Come on its on $ 5. We spend way lot more money on beers, useless girls that just waste our time in pubs and on useless junk food. Why count 5 dollars now. This is nothing but cheap ass talking, spending 5 bucks on the demo and therefore wanting 5 bucks discount on the full game . Seriously I am suprised that they dont want 3DR to deliver the game to their door step in a lambourghini with Angelina Jolie in bikinis just because they have donated 5 bucks for a game demo which otherwise they would have wasted in a pub/drink anyway. ITS ONLY 5 BUCKS

05-20-2009, 10:33 PM	#34
SS202	Re: DNF Demo $5 Also, releasing a demo, free or not, would give the modding community a huge jump start even if the game isn't released for another 2 (or more) years.

05-21-2009, 10:51 AM	#39
fast-1	Re: DNF Demo $5 Learning how to set levels is easy when you know how, at this stage It'll take years. But why change things when you got a great game set up already, you get demo's when the games finished.