System Requirements and Activation - Page 3

Sebultura · 06-07-2006, 04:03 AM

Eh, I haven't seen & understood that before: <<Internet connection required for one-time authentication upon installation.>> ???

So let's be clear: no internet = can't install & play with Prey ???

hell-angel · 06-07-2006, 04:20 AM

Correct.

crunchy superman · 06-07-2006, 04:52 AM

I have no problem with this at all, so long as downloads for patches & updates aren't tied only to the install machine. Give me .exe's to download & I'll be happy.

SyntaxN · 06-07-2006, 04:54 AM

I don´t get it...do I have to activate my game via internet first like HL2 for example or not

/edit, question answered...so we´re going teh Valve way eh.

Sebultura · 06-07-2006, 04:58 AM

Fine, then no Prey for me.

crunchy superman · 06-07-2006, 05:01 AM

I think it's more of the Windows way, instead of the Valve way.

Cerberus_e · 06-07-2006, 05:04 AM

What happened with Scott Miller's "We all hate on line authentication" attitude? This is really very unfortunate.
Seems like my speculation turned out to be correct.

ADM · 06-07-2006, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebultura

Fine, then no Prey for me.

You don't have the internet?

DissidentRage · 06-07-2006, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebultura

Fine, then no Prey for me.

What, were you going to warez it?

It's only authenticated once and then you can pull the plug on your Internet and play it all you want to after that. Even Far Cry did it.

Cerberus_e · 06-07-2006, 05:50 AM

That's completely false. Far Cry didn't do it (or else I wouldn't have bought it).

I hope to hear an argument from the people in charge WHY they're doing this. It doesn't stop the game from getting pirated by far. Half-Life 2 is getting pirated at least as much as other games (as far as I know, at least if all those websites devoted to it are any indication

).
I hope to hear something from Scott Miller, since he was the one claiming he hates on line authentication. I'd also like to hear Tim Gerritsen (he owns Human Head, and he has Dutch blood so he can't be THAT bad

). But anyone in charge is welcome to answer (2K even?).

Sebultura · 06-07-2006, 05:57 AM

No dudes, I won't warez, & this is no big deal, just a game. The reason is pretty simple: I hate the principle only.

Why would you be obliged to use internet for a singleplayer game ? Even on a LAN stuff... And don't tell me about "anti-piracy" stuff, we all know HL2 & co already exist on an illegal state.

So don't get me wrong: I don't "bitch" about game makers behind the game, not even ones giving us support on this forum, as they're doing their job well & I thank them for that.

It's more about the political & commercial stuff behind this that I dislike. I though at first that there would be an online version for those that can't wait retail boxes, so no big deal as we would have the choice...

As for me it's my choice (and yes I've got a internet connection) and I'll stay true to my thoughts.

dark_angel · 06-07-2006, 06:18 AM

^^^
Sorry, but this is simply bullshit!

Cerberus_e · 06-07-2006, 06:25 AM

Sebultura, I completely agree with your thoughts on the subject. You worded it better than how I worded it when I talked about on line authentication in the past.

Malgon · 06-07-2006, 06:45 AM

I can see where the Prey forums are going to be heading soon.

Damien_Azreal · 06-07-2006, 06:48 AM

I actualy think this is a good thing. It won't be long before more developers start taking this path.
Games have had the option to register for years, but most people don't even bother.

And honestly, I have no problem with Steam now. True at HL2's launch the program was not ready for such a huge release and caused tons of problems. But since then it's been a very smooth process.
With both SiN Emergence and HL2: Episode One I had a smooth ride installing and unlocking the games via Steam.

And since this is simply a one time thing upon install I don't see it being as bad as some are making it out to be.

Malgon · 06-07-2006, 06:58 AM

So will it be that you have to decrypt the game on every install? That is a sh*t f*cken way of doing business imo. I don't mind verifying that the copy is legit (mainly for MP purposes), but if it has to decrypt the files if all you want to do is singleplayer then that really is just bullsh*t.

Bah, it's not worth getting worked up over. And I really don't want to derail a thread with talk of online authentification programs. I still am going to buy Prey of course, it's just frustrating when all I want to do is hop straight into the game.

I'll just leave it at that.

hell-angel · 06-07-2006, 07:02 AM

They said authentification. No one said anything about decrypting the files though. And that is not the case either, it will be quick and painless, and decrypting file is not quick and certainly not painless.

Malgon · 06-07-2006, 07:03 AM

Sorry Fenda, I don't mean to start flogging that dead horse like many have done.

Damien_Azreal · 06-07-2006, 07:19 AM

I doubt they will need to unlock the game. Most likely just verify your cd-key online with their systems and go play.

Kristian Joensen · 06-07-2006, 07:34 AM

Always prepare for the worst you won't get negatively suprised.

Damien_Azreal · 06-07-2006, 07:41 AM

Yep.

But even then I don't care, online authentification doesn't bug me. At first with HL2 it did... but like I said Steam just wasn't ready for such a undertaking at the time.
But now, I have faith in whatever steps 3DRealms and HH take with PREY.

Joe Siegler · 06-07-2006, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hell-angel

Oh yeah,

There is going to be discussion about this here. So on behalve of all the people on this board, can we at least try to keep it polite and friendly.
So post proper reasoning and no calling names, threats or things like that ok? It will keep the discussion open and maybe give some new insights to us all.

Thank you.

p.s. I know Joe or one of the mods should actually say this, but I am sure they agree with this. Unless they have something to add?

I shouldn't have to say it, people should do that by default without prodding.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SyntaxN

I don´t get it...do I have to activate my game via internet first like HL2 for example or not

/edit, question answered...so we´re going teh Valve way eh.

No. Ours is on install only. Not every time you play.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebultura

Why would you be obliged to use internet for a singleplayer game ?.

You're not - that's the point. ONE TIME registration check when you install. After that, it's not an issue anymore.

This is nothing new, a boatload of games have been doing cd key checks against servers for some time now. I honestly think you're overreacting. You're not "using the internet for a single player game".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malgon

So will it be that you have to decrypt the game on every install?

Where is this coming from? It says "ONE TIME ON INSTALL" - and we've said that after that it's not an issue anymore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien_Azreal

I doubt they will need to unlock the game. Most likely just verify your cd-key online with their systems and go play.

Thank you. This is correct.

Let me also add that I take very seriously remarks made online about bypassing any security and stealing the game by copying, borrowing someone else's account, etc. It's not a joke, so don't joke about it.

Babe · 06-07-2006, 08:00 AM

Question still remains what if you dont have internet connection at your playing PC when you get Prey ? I am telling this cause whenPrey will be released, my final exam will over and I will be away fruit picking. Naturally, I will not have any net connection with my bulky desktop. So how do I install and play it then ? Atleast there should be an option to may be call someone international by phone and get some authentication code so that I can install it.

If "No internet No Prey" is the final point, then no Prey for me too I am afraid.

I dont mind valid CD key checks for internet play, cause that is ofcourse a valid thing for game developers to do, allow only valid legit players to play online, but to play single player game after online authentication, isn't that a great idea IMHO.

What I think is that guys like me who buys games legally after coughing up hard cash are the ones who always have to bear troubles such as authentication, activation, DRM checks, decryption, CD / DVD checks etc., and why, because to stop software pirates. And what do the software pirates do, use cracked .exe files or precracked installers, sit at home, laugh, and play the same game hassle free. See what happened to Half Life 2 ? Why do us purchasers, who pay the money, always have to suffer

!!

hell-angel · 06-07-2006, 08:03 AM

I think they did it great in Q4. If you have internet connection it automatically connects for verification else it just works (if the key is internally validated of course).
That is what I think is the best solutions for both worlds.

Scott Miller · 06-07-2006, 10:11 AM

Quick comments (haven't read this thread):

o Yes, we're going to lose some people over this. Such is life.

o However, we're trying to slow down piracy, and unfortunately, because piracy is so completely out of control, we need to take measures that upset paying gamers.

I'm someone who despises Steam myself, so if I like Triton, I think it will change the minds of other Steam haters, too.
o We have data that shows that the anti-piracy measures we're taking within Prey can greatly increase legitimate sales. This data is not available to the public.

o Half-Life 2 and the Episodes do this, too, but Prey will do this to a less intrusive degree. We've taken a hard look at Steam's method and have improved them, making them more customer-friendly.

o Trust me on this: This will become significantly more common in the next year. It's the leaders that catch all the arrows, though.

o Again, I hate that we have to do this, but games are costly ($10,000,000+), and it will take roughly 800,000 sales just to break even. (Our publisher makes money well before this point, simply because they have a different break even level, and it's the developer who pays for the development cost -- the publisher merely loans the developer money, then recoups it from the dev's royalty stream.)

o This system comes with benefits, in that if we cut down piracy we can stay in business longer. We can also patch Prey behind-the-scenes without the player ever needing to lift a finger (assuming the player connects to Triton, to allow auto-patching to take place).

o Triton will not blitz players with marketing and ads like Steam does.

o And remember, with Triton you can download games and begin playing them when they've reached about 20% complete on average -- not a bad deal.

I'm someone who doesn't like Steam. Triton has completely won me over. Hopefully it'll win over other Steam haters, too.

johny2905 · 06-07-2006, 10:20 AM

Why would anyone fight pirating when it can't be beat? Make good game, and make players don't wish to have pirated version of game. That's the point. Oblivion is the best game that proves it.

ADM · 06-07-2006, 10:30 AM

Because the fact that by doing this they attract more people that otherwise would have pirated the game, sure they lose some people because of it but they gain much more.

CameO73 · 06-07-2006, 10:30 AM

Quote:

We can also patch Prey behind-the-scenes without the player ever needing to lift a finger (assuming the player connects to Triton, to allow auto-patching to take place).

Does this mean that I can auto-patch the game I bought in the store, or do I have to do it the Triton-way? I would like have the auto-patching, but I'm probably going to buy the boxed version.

crunchy superman · 06-07-2006, 10:36 AM

Please don't tell me that I have to get all patches & updates through Triton.

Snafu · 06-07-2006, 10:40 AM

I don't see the big deal, online authentification is the norm these days. Even if you have dial-up and your PC crashes every week, it's only an extra minute at most to aunthenticate during installations.

kozchris · 06-07-2006, 12:00 PM

I like Steam. Never had a problem except that it wanted to use IE and not FF at first. It is nice to always have the latest updates. It is also cool that once your game is regestered you can always get a copy of the game you paid for (if you move to a new machine for instance). Triton will be fine for me if it works just as well.

Night Hacker · 06-07-2006, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebultura

Fine, then no Prey for me.

I agree completely. I refuse to buy any game (including DNF) that requires online authentication. I'll buy BIOSHOCK instead (so long as it doesn't require it either).

I want to be able to come back 10 years or more from now and play it again without requiring the internet or 3DRealms to be still supporting it or whatever.

When I buy a game I expect to get the WHOLE game. It's the same as if I bought a car, the company shouldn't control wether I can drive that car or not, niether should any company control wether I play a game I PAID FOR or not.

This does NOT help reduce piracy (as witnessed with HL2) it helps drive honest paying customers away. (and I do not support piracy in ANY way, I wouldn't want to get banned)

dark_angel · 06-07-2006, 01:16 PM

^^^
This is not a reasonable reason not to buy a game, especially when it comes to a triple A title.

Gamers should get used to it. It is just an additional step to play the game Installation + authentication.

I am fine with that.

Damien_Azreal · 06-07-2006, 01:31 PM

I agree with d_a here, it's just the next step in gaming. With piracy as out of control as it is steps need to be taken to crack down on it.
And if you buy your game legitimetly this shouldn't bug you at all. It's no more intrusive than registering your game when you first install it.

I remember the same kindof complaints when gamers were first asked to register games online during install. And then is wasn't forced, it was an option and people still complained.

I honestly think passing on such a promising FPS as PREY just because of somethign like this is almost idiotic. Not calling anyone names, but we're gonna have to ascept that these are the steps that need to be taken. And complaining or refusing to buy the game isn't gonna stop it.

dark_angel · 06-07-2006, 01:47 PM

I just want to add something to what D_A has just said.

Our ultimate goal in playing games is to get entertained and quite frenquely I will chose entertainment over nitpicking any time!

It is just a matter of adaptation and your on.

Night Hacker · 06-07-2006, 01:47 PM

How does this help curve piracy? I have seen HL2 pirated. There was a crack out for it shortly after it came out. This has happened all through history. Everytime they try to stop piracy it fails, honest people who pay for their games (like myself) end up being frustrated with the piracy protection we have to wade through while the game continues to be pirated.

I have put up with it this long, but this is going too far. I will not allow anyone to control if I play something I paid for. When I buy a product I expect the whole thing, usable out of the package without having to connect to the net to get authorization to play it!

They can stuff it. I'll buy Bioshock instead (provided it doesn't have the same garbage system with it).

3DRealms has everyright to market and distribute their game however they see fit. And I have every right not to buy it, or any other game like it. There are plenty of games I can buy that don't use online authentication. I'll be paying for those. From the looks of things, I won't be buying ANY 3DRealms games anymore, not if this is the route they're taking.

dark_angel · 06-07-2006, 01:56 PM

^^^
Our passion to games is just high enough to overcome such additional requirements.

ZuljinRaynor · 06-07-2006, 01:59 PM

I don't see what the problem is with a one-time thing. It's probably as hard as using a website. Plus, you never buy the game. You get a license to use it... that's what you are buying. So this is the same thing as activating Photoshop or Windows.

Kristian Joensen · 06-07-2006, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Miller

o Half-Life 2 and the Episodes do this, too, but Prey will do this to a less intrusive degree. We've taken a hard look at Steam's method and have improved them, making them more customer-friendly.

'

Hmm how is it less intrusive, what does Steam do that Triton doesn't ?

ZuljinRaynor · 06-07-2006, 02:02 PM

Steam needs to be running to play.

06-07-2006, 06:48 AM	#95
Damien_Azreal Super Moderator	Re: System Requirements? I actualy think this is a good thing. It won't be long before more developers start taking this path. Games have had the option to register for years, but most people don't even bother. And honestly, I have no problem with Steam now. True at HL2's launch the program was not ready for such a huge release and caused tons of problems. But since then it's been a very smooth process. With both SiN Emergence and HL2: Episode One I had a smooth ride installing and unlocking the games via Steam. And since this is simply a one time thing upon install I don't see it being as bad as some are making it out to be. __________________ Monolith Fanboy since 1997 Upcoming Anticipated Games: Doom, Shadow Warrior 2, Mafia III, DisHonored 2, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

06-07-2006, 07:19 AM	#99
Damien_Azreal Super Moderator	Re: System Requirements? I doubt they will need to unlock the game. Most likely just verify your cd-key online with their systems and go play. __________________ Monolith Fanboy since 1997 Upcoming Anticipated Games: Doom, Shadow Warrior 2, Mafia III, DisHonored 2, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

06-07-2006, 07:41 AM	#101
Damien_Azreal Super Moderator	Re: System Requirements? Yep. But even then I don't care, online authentification doesn't bug me. At first with HL2 it did... but like I said Steam just wasn't ready for such a undertaking at the time. But now, I have faith in whatever steps 3DRealms and HH take with PREY. __________________ Monolith Fanboy since 1997 Upcoming Anticipated Games: Doom, Shadow Warrior 2, Mafia III, DisHonored 2, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

06-07-2006, 10:11 AM	#105
Scott Miller 3D Realms Staff	Re: System Requirements? Quick comments (haven't read this thread): o Yes, we're going to lose some people over this. Such is life. o However, we're trying to slow down piracy, and unfortunately, because piracy is so completely out of control, we need to take measures that upset paying gamers. I'm someone who despises Steam myself, so if I like Triton, I think it will change the minds of other Steam haters, too. o We have data that shows that the anti-piracy measures we're taking within Prey can greatly increase legitimate sales. This data is not available to the public. o Half-Life 2 and the Episodes do this, too, but Prey will do this to a less intrusive degree. We've taken a hard look at Steam's method and have improved them, making them more customer-friendly. o Trust me on this: This will become significantly more common in the next year. It's the leaders that catch all the arrows, though. o Again, I hate that we have to do this, but games are costly ($10,000,000+), and it will take roughly 800,000 sales just to break even. (Our publisher makes money well before this point, simply because they have a different break even level, and it's the developer who pays for the development cost -- the publisher merely loans the developer money, then recoups it from the dev's royalty stream.) o This system comes with benefits, in that if we cut down piracy we can stay in business longer. We can also patch Prey behind-the-scenes without the player ever needing to lift a finger (assuming the player connects to Triton, to allow auto-patching to take place). o Triton will not blitz players with marketing and ads like Steam does. o And remember, with Triton you can download games and begin playing them when they've reached about 20% complete on average -- not a bad deal. I'm someone who doesn't like Steam. Triton has completely won me over. Hopefully it'll win over other Steam haters, too.

06-07-2006, 01:31 PM	#114
Damien_Azreal Super Moderator	Re: System Requirements? I agree with d_a here, it's just the next step in gaming. With piracy as out of control as it is steps need to be taken to crack down on it. And if you buy your game legitimetly this shouldn't bug you at all. It's no more intrusive than registering your game when you first install it. I remember the same kindof complaints when gamers were first asked to register games online during install. And then is wasn't forced, it was an option and people still complained. I honestly think passing on such a promising FPS as PREY just because of somethign like this is almost idiotic. Not calling anyone names, but we're gonna have to ascept that these are the steps that need to be taken. And complaining or refusing to buy the game isn't gonna stop it. __________________ Monolith Fanboy since 1997 Upcoming Anticipated Games: Doom, Shadow Warrior 2, Mafia III, DisHonored 2, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

06-07-2006, 04:03 AM	#81
Sebultura	Re: System Requirements? Eh, I haven't seen & understood that before: <<Internet connection required for one-time authentication upon installation.>> ??? So let's be clear: no internet = can't install & play with Prey ???

06-07-2006, 04:20 AM	#82
hell-angel	Re: System Requirements? Correct.

06-07-2006, 04:52 AM	#83
crunchy superman	Re: System Requirements? I have no problem with this at all, so long as downloads for patches & updates aren't tied only to the install machine. Give me .exe's to download & I'll be happy. __________________

06-07-2006, 04:54 AM	#84
SyntaxN	Re: System Requirements? I don´t get it...do I have to activate my game via internet first like HL2 for example or not /edit, question answered...so we´re going teh Valve way eh.

06-07-2006, 04:58 AM	#85
Sebultura	Re: System Requirements? Fine, then no Prey for me.

06-07-2006, 05:01 AM	#86
crunchy superman	Re: System Requirements? I think it's more of the Windows way, instead of the Valve way. __________________

06-07-2006, 05:04 AM	#87
Cerberus_e	Re: System Requirements? What happened with Scott Miller's "We all hate on line authentication" attitude? This is really very unfortunate. Seems like my speculation turned out to be correct.

06-07-2006, 05:50 AM	#90
Cerberus_e	Re: System Requirements? That's completely false. Far Cry didn't do it (or else I wouldn't have bought it). I hope to hear an argument from the people in charge WHY they're doing this. It doesn't stop the game from getting pirated by far. Half-Life 2 is getting pirated at least as much as other games (as far as I know, at least if all those websites devoted to it are any indication ). I hope to hear something from Scott Miller, since he was the one claiming he hates on line authentication. I'd also like to hear Tim Gerritsen (he owns Human Head, and he has Dutch blood so he can't be THAT bad ). But anyone in charge is welcome to answer (2K even?).

06-07-2006, 05:57 AM	#91
Sebultura	Re: System Requirements? No dudes, I won't warez, & this is no big deal, just a game. The reason is pretty simple: I hate the principle only. Why would you be obliged to use internet for a singleplayer game ? Even on a LAN stuff... And don't tell me about "anti-piracy" stuff, we all know HL2 & co already exist on an illegal state. So don't get me wrong: I don't "bitch" about game makers behind the game, not even ones giving us support on this forum, as they're doing their job well & I thank them for that. It's more about the political & commercial stuff behind this that I dislike. I though at first that there would be an online version for those that can't wait retail boxes, so no big deal as we would have the choice... As for me it's my choice (and yes I've got a internet connection) and I'll stay true to my thoughts.

06-07-2006, 06:18 AM	#92
dark_angel	Re: System Requirements? ^^^ Sorry, but this is simply bullshit! __________________ Duke Nukem Forever - Crysis - Castle Wolfenstein - Bioshock - CMR : Dirt www.Duke4.net - The ultimate source for 3DRealms next-gen game - DNF " Life rewards no death for immortals " - dark_angel

06-07-2006, 06:25 AM	#93
Cerberus_e	Re: System Requirements? Sebultura, I completely agree with your thoughts on the subject. You worded it better than how I worded it when I talked about on line authentication in the past.

06-07-2006, 06:45 AM	#94
Malgon	Re: System Requirements? I can see where the Prey forums are going to be heading soon. __________________ -Most wanted games: Doom 4, Tomb Raider, Beyond Good and Evil 2

06-07-2006, 06:58 AM	#96
Malgon	Re: System Requirements? So will it be that you have to decrypt the game on every install? That is a sht fcken way of doing business imo. I don't mind verifying that the copy is legit (mainly for MP purposes), but if it has to decrypt the files if all you want to do is singleplayer then that really is just bullsht. Bah, it's not worth getting worked up over. And I really don't want to derail a thread with talk of online authentification programs. I still am going to buy Prey of course, it's just frustrating when all I want to do is hop straight into the game. I'll just leave it at that. __________________ -Most wanted games: Doom 4*, Tomb Raider, Beyond Good and Evil 2

06-07-2006, 07:02 AM	#97
hell-angel	Re: System Requirements? They said authentification. No one said anything about decrypting the files though. And that is not the case either, it will be quick and painless, and decrypting file is not quick and certainly not painless.

06-07-2006, 07:03 AM	#98
Malgon	Re: System Requirements? Sorry Fenda, I don't mean to start flogging that dead horse like many have done. __________________ -Most wanted games: Doom 4, Tomb Raider, Beyond Good and Evil 2

06-07-2006, 07:34 AM	#100
Kristian Joensen	Re: System Requirements? Always prepare for the worst you won't get negatively suprised. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

06-07-2006, 08:00 AM	#103
Babe	Re: System Requirements? Question still remains what if you dont have internet connection at your playing PC when you get Prey ? I am telling this cause whenPrey will be released, my final exam will over and I will be away fruit picking. Naturally, I will not have any net connection with my bulky desktop. So how do I install and play it then ? Atleast there should be an option to may be call someone international by phone and get some authentication code so that I can install it. If "No internet No Prey" is the final point, then no Prey for me too I am afraid. I dont mind valid CD key checks for internet play, cause that is ofcourse a valid thing for game developers to do, allow only valid legit players to play online, but to play single player game after online authentication, isn't that a great idea IMHO. What I think is that guys like me who buys games legally after coughing up hard cash are the ones who always have to bear troubles such as authentication, activation, DRM checks, decryption, CD / DVD checks etc., and why, because to stop software pirates. And what do the software pirates do, use cracked .exe files or precracked installers, sit at home, laugh, and play the same game hassle free. See what happened to Half Life 2 ? Why do us purchasers, who pay the money, always have to suffer !!

06-07-2006, 08:03 AM	#104
hell-angel	Re: System Requirements? I think they did it great in Q4. If you have internet connection it automatically connects for verification else it just works (if the key is internally validated of course). That is what I think is the best solutions for both worlds.

06-07-2006, 10:20 AM	#106
johny2905	Re: System Requirements? Why would anyone fight pirating when it can't be beat? Make good game, and make players don't wish to have pirated version of game. That's the point. Oblivion is the best game that proves it.

06-07-2006, 10:30 AM	#107
ADM	Re: System Requirements? Because the fact that by doing this they attract more people that otherwise would have pirated the game, sure they lose some people because of it but they gain much more.

06-07-2006, 10:36 AM	#109
crunchy superman	Re: System Requirements? Please don't tell me that I have to get all patches & updates through Triton. __________________

06-07-2006, 10:40 AM	#110
Snafu	Re: System Requirements? I don't see the big deal, online authentification is the norm these days. Even if you have dial-up and your PC crashes every week, it's only an extra minute at most to aunthenticate during installations.

06-07-2006, 12:00 PM	#111
kozchris	Re: System Requirements? I like Steam. Never had a problem except that it wanted to use IE and not FF at first. It is nice to always have the latest updates. It is also cool that once your game is regestered you can always get a copy of the game you paid for (if you move to a new machine for instance). Triton will be fine for me if it works just as well.

06-07-2006, 01:16 PM	#113
dark_angel	Re: System Requirements? ^^^ This is not a reasonable reason not to buy a game, especially when it comes to a triple A title. Gamers should get used to it. It is just an additional step to play the game Installation + authentication. I am fine with that. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever - Crysis - Castle Wolfenstein - Bioshock - CMR : Dirt www.Duke4.net - The ultimate source for 3DRealms next-gen game - DNF " Life rewards no death for immortals " - dark_angel

06-07-2006, 01:47 PM	#115
dark_angel	Re: System Requirements? I just want to add something to what D_A has just said. Our ultimate goal in playing games is to get entertained and quite frenquely I will chose entertainment over nitpicking any time! It is just a matter of adaptation and your on. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever - Crysis - Castle Wolfenstein - Bioshock - CMR : Dirt www.Duke4.net - The ultimate source for 3DRealms next-gen game - DNF " Life rewards no death for immortals " - dark_angel

06-07-2006, 01:47 PM	#116
Night Hacker	Re: System Requirements? How does this help curve piracy? I have seen HL2 pirated. There was a crack out for it shortly after it came out. This has happened all through history. Everytime they try to stop piracy it fails, honest people who pay for their games (like myself) end up being frustrated with the piracy protection we have to wade through while the game continues to be pirated. I have put up with it this long, but this is going too far. I will not allow anyone to control if I play something I paid for. When I buy a product I expect the whole thing, usable out of the package without having to connect to the net to get authorization to play it! They can stuff it. I'll buy Bioshock instead (provided it doesn't have the same garbage system with it). 3DRealms has everyright to market and distribute their game however they see fit. And I have every right not to buy it, or any other game like it. There are plenty of games I can buy that don't use online authentication. I'll be paying for those. From the looks of things, I won't be buying ANY 3DRealms games anymore, not if this is the route they're taking. __________________ "My general feeling is that computers are doing more harm than good." - Jay Miner ("father" of the Amiga)

06-07-2006, 01:56 PM	#117
dark_angel	Re: System Requirements? ^^^ Our passion to games is just high enough to overcome such additional requirements. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever - Crysis - Castle Wolfenstein - Bioshock - CMR : Dirt www.Duke4.net - The ultimate source for 3DRealms next-gen game - DNF " Life rewards no death for immortals " - dark_angel

06-07-2006, 01:59 PM	#118
ZuljinRaynor	Re: System Requirements? I don't see what the problem is with a one-time thing. It's probably as hard as using a website. Plus, you never buy the game. You get a license to use it... that's what you are buying. So this is the same thing as activating Photoshop or Windows. __________________ My vision is augmented.

06-07-2006, 02:02 PM	#120
ZuljinRaynor	Re: System Requirements? Steam needs to be running to play. __________________ My vision is augmented.