Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development

ultra tree 85! · 03-08-2010, 10:40 PM

Hi, I've been going over everything that has been said and released over the course of the last year, and I've come to the conclusion that 3D Realms has definitely found a viable means of continuing the game's development. There simply isn't any way that they're going to let the hours of finished gameplay that they developed go to waste, after all. The signs of DNF's development are ubiquitous, and some of the things that happened after the internal collapse at 3D Realms make even more sense now than they did at the time. Here's a small summary of the inarguable evidence in favor of DNF development:

-June 2009: Legal Documents filed by 3D Realms clearly state that the company is continuing to work toward the completion of DNF.

-June/July 2009: 3D Realms sells Prey IP to Radar, and Radar promptly sells it to Zenimax Media. This series of transactions results in millions of dollars of cashflow to 3D Realms, which can be applied to the pursuit of the DNF project.

-July 2009: Scott Miller releases no less than four never before seen DNF screenshots, along with the comment that Duke's "back in the game."

-November 2009: Scott Miller again uses Facebook as a vehicle to send a message to the community, mentioning a "big and unexpected announcement" and "D-Day" Once again the message is accompanied by previously unreleased DNF media. This media was from DNF, and therefore the D-Day/Big and unexpected announcement was meant to be associated with DNF.

-December 2009: A plethora of comments appear during the first week of the month on Duke's Facebook, including some veiled comments, and also some very clear ones, such as: "Duke says it's going to happen, and when it does, shock and awesome."

-December 26th, 2009: Scott Miller bluntly states that DNF is still being developed in an interview.

-January 2010: Scott Miller officially acknowledges and endorses the interesting comments made by Jon St. John regarding Duke Nukem Forever at MagFest by linking to the event on Duke's Facebook.

After reviewing these pieces of evidence, it seems certain that DNF is indeed moving closer to release, and there may be some very good news later this year.

wayskobfssae · 03-08-2010, 11:09 PM

All that means is...

... the neutrinos are mutating.

defragen1 · 03-09-2010, 12:31 AM

w00t

finally some reasonable ... reasoning
= D

Duke's New Chainsaw · 03-09-2010, 02:48 AM

Great investigating!!!!!!

Stay Tuned

The Commander · 03-09-2010, 03:10 AM

I didn't read any of the first post, can anyone sum it up in one word?

X-Vector · 03-09-2010, 03:29 AM

Speculation.

DerricktheW · 03-09-2010, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Commander

I didn't read any of the first post, can anyone sum it up in one word?

De ja vu

X-Vector · 03-09-2010, 03:57 AM

That's two words.

03-09-2010, 04:28 AM

"That" is one word.

X-Vector · 03-09-2010, 04:34 AM

I've got two letters for you, I'll pass them on with my Zero-Point Energy Field Manipulator.

vitaminr · 03-09-2010, 04:39 AM

I'm pretty sure they're legally bound to stop development on DNF as long as the court case is still active, and I'm just gonna guess that all the screenshots released were of content made before the dev team was released. Also the comments by Jon St Jon were most likely just to keep people interested and that they're not going to let go of DNF, but I doubt there was any work done to back it up.

crunchy superman · 03-09-2010, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ultra tree 85!

-June 2009: Legal Documents filed by 3D Realms clearly state that the company is continuing to work toward the completion of DNF.

When 3DR got GT to sign on as publisher in 1997/98 there would have been legal documents signed stating that they were developing this game. What year is it again?

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-June/July 2009: 3D Realms sells Prey IP to Radar, and Radar promptly sells it to Zenimax Media. This series of transactions results in millions of dollars of cashflow to 3D Realms, which can be applied to the pursuit of the DNF project.

I'm not aware of any public documents that state any details at all of what funds were transferred to 3DR for said sale. There's no way any of us can know the details of that sale enough to make such a statement. Feel free to produce them if I missed them.

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-July 2009: Scott Miller releases no less than four never before seen DNF screenshots, along with the comment that Duke's "back in the game."

Screenshots were also released in 1998. Also, he never said DNF is back in the game - he said Duke. For all we know, he dug up shots of DNF in order to garner interest in Duke for the upcoming graphing calculator port of Duke3D.

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-November 2009: Scott Miller again uses Facebook as a vehicle to send a message to the community, mentioning a "big and unexpected announcement" and "D-Day" Once again the message is accompanied by previously unreleased DNF media. This media was from DNF, and therefore the D-Day/Big and unexpected announcement was meant to be associated with DNF.

How many times have we been given messages such as "DNF is a 1999 game" or "WID in 2001" or "DNF will come out before Doom3" ?

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-December 2009: A plethora of comments appear during the first week of the month on Duke's Facebook, including some veiled comments, and also some very clear ones, such as: "Duke says it's going to happen, and when it does, shock and awesome."

See previous statement.

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-December 26th, 2009: Scott Miller bluntly states that DNF is still being developed in an interview.

Maybe so. What does that change? It was being developed 13 years ago.

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-January 2010: Scott Miller officially acknowledges and endorses the interesting comments made by Jon St. John regarding Duke Nukem Forever at MagFest by linking to the event on Duke's Facebook.

See previous statement.

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After reviewing these pieces of evidence, it seems certain that DNF is indeed moving closer to release

In the same manner that our Sun is moving closer to it's red giant state?

Look, maybe you're right on all counts. If this game ever actually surfaces, I'll judge it based on what it is at that time. But surely we can all learn from the past (just a little??) and not be so naive every time they cry wolf.

SpinX · 03-09-2010, 05:10 AM

I hate threads like these, they get my dick teased with its title, and then its just the same ***** I already digged in...

Angelo86 · 03-09-2010, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by crunchy superman

How many times have we been given messages such as "DNF is a 1999 game" or "WID in 2001" or "DNF will come out before Doom3" ?

But surely we can all learn from the past (just a little??) and not be so naive every time they cry wolf.

I agree 100% this is the truth. Never bet on Duke, George and Scott.

Rapture_Rising · 03-09-2010, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Angelo86

Never bet on Duke, George and Scott.

T2 did and now 3DR is getting sued for it.

JobivanHiob · 03-09-2010, 06:59 AM

I made a similar thread some weeks ago.

But It would come to the same conclusion as ultra tree 85.

There are also Scott statements like:

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OMG, trailer rocks

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I'm dying to reveal some news

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Duke will have a go at Masterchief this year

crunchy superman · 03-09-2010, 07:41 AM

^ None of which may have anything to do with DNF.

03-09-2010, 07:52 AM

Here's more evidence.

Angelo86 · 03-09-2010, 08:02 AM

The Duke Nukem Forever forum is 100% speculation and nothing else.

KO Gilligan · 03-09-2010, 10:12 AM

If I was a betting man, and I'm not... and if I was to be inspired to lay down a wager based upon supposed "evidence", I would bet on DNF.

It's clear they have a product or T2 wouldn't have lawyers chasing this. They have no hope of any benefit if DNF doesn't exist.

ultra tree 85! · 03-09-2010, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaminr

I'm pretty sure they're legally bound to stop development on DNF as long as the court case is still active, and I'm just gonna guess that all the screenshots released were of content made before the dev team was released. Also the comments by Jon St Jon were most likely just to keep people interested and that they're not going to let go of DNF, but I doubt there was any work done to back it up.

Actually, Take-Two's request for a freeze on the game's assets was denied, and 3DR didn't have to comply with any of their demands. In fact, 3D Realms took control and had the case moved to Texas, so they can take advantage of the anti-New York sentiment in Texas culture to improve their chances of winning.

Indeed, 3D Realms appears to have crushed Take-Two's early legal attacks, which is probably why Take-Two is stalling so much now, trying to delay the process. They know perfectly well that they have no case and that they just distorted the facts and created 20 pages of pure fabrication, which will ultimately lead to certain loss. They basically have no grounds for a case period.

So yes, it's possible for 3D Realms to alter the game's content and continue to work toward completion. Upon completion, they can submit the game to Take-Two for release, and they will be contractually obligated to publish the game, which will mean the end of the case itself, and the release of DNF to the gaming community.

mr.smith · 03-09-2010, 10:51 AM

Give T2 the 1998 version and call it a day.

The next day Launch the real DNF through apogee as a publisher and laugh sinisterly while 3D Realms is catapulted into the limelight of FPS gaming.

ultra tree 85! · 03-09-2010, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr.smith

Give T2 the 1998 version and call it a day.

The next day Launch the real DNF through apogee as a publisher and laugh sinisterly while 3D Realms is catapulted into the limelight of FPS gaming.

I agree. Take-Two is completely to blame for 3D Realms' financial collapse, and they deserve to be punished as a result. During the last period of the game's development, the company acted with malicious intent, misleading 3D Realms and causing them to dedicate internal resources to tasks that wouldn't have been taken on had Take-Two not ageed to provide the funding. Then, at the last second, Take-Two denied 3D Realms the promised funding and offered an incredibly hostile deal in which they would take the IP for almost nothing.

It would be great if 3D Realms could get out of the contract with this malicious, hostile publisher, however I'm not sure if 3D Realms will actually take this sort of action.

Rapture_Rising · 03-09-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ultra tree 85!

I agree. Take-Two is completely to blame for 3D Realms' financial collapse, and they deserve to be punished as a result. During the last period of the game's development, the company acted with malicious intent, misleading 3D Realms and causing them to dedicate internal resources to tasks that wouldn't have been taken on had Take-Two not ageed to provide the funding. Then, at the last second, Take-Two denied 3D Realms the promised funding and offered an incredibly hostile deal in which they would take the IP for almost nothing.

It would be great if 3D Realms could get out of the contract with this malicious, hostile publisher, however I'm not sure if 3D Realms will actually take this sort of action.

Im sorry... But thats a load of bullshit just pointing the blame squarely on T2. Its 3DRs fault for taking so damned long in the first place. OK the lawsuit not be the best course of action but we can only blame 3DR for getting into the situation they are in now.

mr.smith · 03-09-2010, 11:29 AM

well, by this point i would think that 3D Realms has a library of technology past and future.
there are different DNF builds from the other engines.
14 YEARS they must have something that is completed or some break through in the tech they are using/previously used.
Unless George lied and DNF will not be "Shock and Awesome"
but more "Awe Shit" this sucks tha nut sack.

Duke's New Chainsaw · 03-09-2010, 01:36 PM

It's all over.

We are doomed.

03-09-2010, 01:45 PM

Duke's New Chansaw: Remember, it's Duke Nukem we are talking about here.

WoodenSword · 03-09-2010, 02:14 PM

This thread made me laugh my ass off...

Tremendous evidence!!.... LOL! tremendous....really????

Duke's New Chainsaw · 03-09-2010, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Stinger

Duke's New Chansaw: Remember, it's Duke Nukem we are talking about here.

It's all over.

We are nuked.

JobivanHiob · 03-09-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ultra tree 85!

So yes, it's possible for 3D Realms to alter the game's content and continue to work toward completion. Upon completion, they can submit the game to Take-Two for release, and they will be contractually obligated to publish the game, which will mean the end of the case itself, and the release of DNF to the gaming community.

the bold part:

are they really contractually obligated to publish the game if its done?!
This is news to me!

I imagine this situation:

August 2010:

George & Scott:
"Okay Take 2 I guess you will be surpised about it, but here it is the RC1 of DNF!"

Take2:
"WTF, how did you accomplished this? Damn now we can't continue to sue you and have to publish DNF! You lucky bastards!"

George & Scott:
"Confess, you knew we would win the case! Abut DNF media, we have this trailer we did way back about November last year. We will start the hypetrain with it!"

Take2:
"It was worth the try!
Okay you release the trailer and we will start marketing DNF with the assets you have to deliver to us!"

November 2010
DNF Release party"

Onebullit · 03-09-2010, 03:12 PM

Maybe we need to contact Mulder and Scully on this one.
Or maybe Columbo.

03-09-2010, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke's New Chainsaw

It's all over.

We are nuked.

Yes, because that's how awesome DNF is going to be! WID!

marioman360 · 03-09-2010, 04:40 PM

Optimism: it just works.

Duke's New Chainsaw · 03-09-2010, 04:52 PM

12 years of optimism goes a long way!

03-09-2010, 04:57 PM

Oh yeah!

JobivanHiob · 03-09-2010, 05:17 PM

some more evidence:
George told via twitter.com in end of July "listening to angry rap music and gathering up a bunch of concept arts".
Around that time Scott told via his facebook that he made some big deal.
Lets assume that the company where DNF was outsourced to started in August with the continue of the development. Almost 8 months passed since then. Some insider said in May 2009 that 3DR was 6-10 months away from release. We could have been only max. 2 months away from release...but you have to remember the addional time needed for the new team to get used to the unknown tech. Some say about 6 months is needed for that. But I say 3-4 months will be enough for that.
1. conclusion: September release
2. conclusion: December release at the latest due to marketing from Take 2 although DNF gone gold in September.

Onebullit · 03-09-2010, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JobivanHiob

some more evidence:
George told via twitter.com in end of July "listening to angry rap music and gathering up a bunch of concept arts".
Around that time Scott told via his facebook that he made some big deal.
Lets assume that the company where DNF was outsourced to started in August with the continue of the development. Almost 8 months passed since then. Some insider said in May 2009 that 3DR was 6-10 months away from release. We could have been only max. 2 months away from release...but you have to remember the addional time needed for the new team to get used to the unknown tech. Some say about 6 months is needed for that. But I say 3-4 months will be enough for that.
1. conclusion: September release
2. conclusion: December release at the latest due to marketing from Take 2 although DNF gone gold in September.

Conclusion: You are dreaming. But thats good, nothing wrong with that.
If DNF comes out in 2010 i will buy 2 copies and send you one.

crunchy superman · 03-09-2010, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JobivanHiob

some more evidence:
George told via twitter.com in end of July "listening to angry rap music and gathering up a bunch of concept arts".
Around that time Scott told via his facebook that he made some big deal.
Lets assume that the company where DNF was outsourced to started in August with the continue of the development. Almost 8 months passed since then. Some insider said in May 2009 that 3DR was 6-10 months away from release. We could have been only max. 2 months away from release...but you have to remember the addional time needed for the new team to get used to the unknown tech. Some say about 6 months is needed for that. But I say 3-4 months will be enough for that.
1. conclusion: September release
2. conclusion: December release at the latest due to marketing from Take 2 although DNF gone gold in September.

"Evidence"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

JobivanHiob · 03-09-2010, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onebullit

Conclusion: You are dreaming. But thats good, nothing wrong with that.
If DNF comes out in 2010 i will buy 2 copies and send you one.

prepare to send me a copy then! I will keep this as my sig until 31 Dec 2010.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crunchy superman

"Evidence"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

ok its a very strong hint!

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Damien_Azreal · 03-09-2010, 07:12 PM

It's fun to dream.

03-09-2010, 04:28 AM	#9
The Stinger Guest	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development "That" is one word.

03-09-2010, 07:52 AM	#18
The Stinger Guest	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development Here's more evidence.

03-09-2010, 01:45 PM	#27
The Stinger Guest	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development Duke's New Chansaw: Remember, it's Duke Nukem we are talking about here.

03-09-2010, 04:57 PM	#35
The Stinger Guest	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development Oh yeah!

03-09-2010, 07:12 PM	#40
Damien_Azreal Super Moderator	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development It's fun to dream. __________________ Monolith Fanboy since 1997 Upcoming Anticipated Games: Doom, Shadow Warrior 2, Mafia III, DisHonored 2, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

03-08-2010, 10:40 PM	#1
ultra tree 85!	Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development Hi, I've been going over everything that has been said and released over the course of the last year, and I've come to the conclusion that 3D Realms has definitely found a viable means of continuing the game's development. There simply isn't any way that they're going to let the hours of finished gameplay that they developed go to waste, after all. The signs of DNF's development are ubiquitous, and some of the things that happened after the internal collapse at 3D Realms make even more sense now than they did at the time. Here's a small summary of the inarguable evidence in favor of DNF development: -June 2009: Legal Documents filed by 3D Realms clearly state that the company is continuing to work toward the completion of DNF. -June/July 2009: 3D Realms sells Prey IP to Radar, and Radar promptly sells it to Zenimax Media. This series of transactions results in millions of dollars of cashflow to 3D Realms, which can be applied to the pursuit of the DNF project. -July 2009: Scott Miller releases no less than four never before seen DNF screenshots, along with the comment that Duke's "back in the game." -November 2009: Scott Miller again uses Facebook as a vehicle to send a message to the community, mentioning a "big and unexpected announcement" and "D-Day" Once again the message is accompanied by previously unreleased DNF media. This media was from DNF, and therefore the D-Day/Big and unexpected announcement was meant to be associated with DNF. -December 2009: A plethora of comments appear during the first week of the month on Duke's Facebook, including some veiled comments, and also some very clear ones, such as: "Duke says it's going to happen, and when it does, shock and awesome." -December 26th, 2009: Scott Miller bluntly states that DNF is still being developed in an interview. -January 2010: Scott Miller officially acknowledges and endorses the interesting comments made by Jon St. John regarding Duke Nukem Forever at MagFest by linking to the event on Duke's Facebook. After reviewing these pieces of evidence, it seems certain that DNF is indeed moving closer to release, and there may be some very good news later this year. Last edited by ultra tree 85!; 03-08-2010 at 10:43 PM.

03-08-2010, 11:09 PM	#2
wayskobfssae	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development All that means is... ... the neutrinos are mutating. __________________ "A Nightingale in a Golden Cage... that's me locked inside Reality's Maze" -- Nightwish

03-09-2010, 12:31 AM	#3
defragen1	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development w00t finally some reasonable ... reasoning = D

03-09-2010, 02:48 AM	#4
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development Great investigating!!!!!! Stay Tuned __________________ The Great Communicator!

03-09-2010, 03:10 AM	#5
The Commander	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development I didn't read any of the first post, can anyone sum it up in one word? __________________ I Know Everything There Is To Know About Anything. Duke Nukem Red Alert SVN Ask Me Anything!

03-09-2010, 03:29 AM	#6
X-Vector	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development Speculation. __________________ We're on an express elevator to hell... going clown. HELLO, MY FRIEND - freindship make a happiness double times and divide sadness half and make us remove our unhappiness. Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb

03-09-2010, 03:57 AM	#8
X-Vector	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development That's two words. __________________ We're on an express elevator to hell... going clown. HELLO, MY FRIEND - freindship make a happiness double times and divide sadness half and make us remove our unhappiness. Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb

03-09-2010, 04:34 AM	#10
X-Vector	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development I've got two letters for you, I'll pass them on with my Zero-Point Energy Field Manipulator. __________________ We're on an express elevator to hell... going clown. HELLO, MY FRIEND - freindship make a happiness double times and divide sadness half and make us remove our unhappiness. Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb

03-09-2010, 04:39 AM	#11
vitaminr	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development I'm pretty sure they're legally bound to stop development on DNF as long as the court case is still active, and I'm just gonna guess that all the screenshots released were of content made before the dev team was released. Also the comments by Jon St Jon were most likely just to keep people interested and that they're not going to let go of DNF, but I doubt there was any work done to back it up.

03-09-2010, 05:10 AM	#13
SpinX	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development I hate threads like these, they get my dick teased with its title, and then its just the same ***** I already digged in... __________________ waiting for: Elite sequel, Half life 3, Diablo3, DNF Enough is enough! I've had it with these motherxxxxxx delays on this motherxxxxxx game :) http://www.youtube.com/user/ftbfelix

03-09-2010, 07:41 AM	#17
crunchy superman	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development ^ None of which may have anything to do with DNF. __________________

03-09-2010, 08:02 AM	#19
Angelo86	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development The Duke Nukem Forever forum is 100% speculation and nothing else. __________________ Jesus 4ever † Duke Nukem Facebook

03-09-2010, 10:12 AM	#20
KO Gilligan	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development If I was a betting man, and I'm not... and if I was to be inspired to lay down a wager based upon supposed "evidence", I would bet on DNF. It's clear they have a product or T2 wouldn't have lawyers chasing this. They have no hope of any benefit if DNF doesn't exist.

03-09-2010, 10:51 AM	#22
mr.smith	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development Give T2 the 1998 version and call it a day. The next day Launch the real DNF through apogee as a publisher and laugh sinisterly while 3D Realms is catapulted into the limelight of FPS gaming.

03-09-2010, 11:29 AM	#25
mr.smith	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development well, by this point i would think that 3D Realms has a library of technology past and future. there are different DNF builds from the other engines. 14 YEARS they must have something that is completed or some break through in the tech they are using/previously used. Unless George lied and DNF will not be "Shock and Awesome" but more "Awe Shit" this sucks tha nut sack.

03-09-2010, 01:36 PM	#26
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development It's all over. We are doomed. __________________ The Great Communicator!

03-09-2010, 02:14 PM	#28
WoodenSword	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development This thread made me laugh my ass off... Tremendous evidence!!.... LOL! tremendous....really???? __________________ ------------------------------ When the chess game is over, the pawn and the king go back to the same box

03-09-2010, 03:12 PM	#31
Onebullit	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development Maybe we need to contact Mulder and Scully on this one. Or maybe Columbo.

03-09-2010, 04:40 PM	#33
marioman360	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development Optimism: it just works. __________________ Please forgive the stupid username.

03-09-2010, 04:52 PM	#34
Duke's New Chainsaw	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development 12 years of optimism goes a long way! __________________ The Great Communicator!

03-09-2010, 05:17 PM	#36
JobivanHiob	Re: Tremendous Evidence for Continued DNF Development some more evidence: George told via twitter.com in end of July "listening to angry rap music and gathering up a bunch of concept arts". Around that time Scott told via his facebook that he made some big deal. Lets assume that the company where DNF was outsourced to started in August with the continue of the development. Almost 8 months passed since then. Some insider said in May 2009 that 3DR was 6-10 months away from release. We could have been only max. 2 months away from release...but you have to remember the addional time needed for the new team to get used to the unknown tech. Some say about 6 months is needed for that. But I say 3-4 months will be enough for that. 1. conclusion: September release 2. conclusion: December release at the latest due to marketing from Take 2 although DNF gone gold in September. __________________ Stay up to date with http://dukewatch.blogspot.com for the UNEXPECTED and PREPARE YOURSELF for SHOCK and AWESOME on Penny Arcade EXPO from September 3-5! Onebullit: "If DNF comes out in 2010 i will buy 2 copies and send you one." pjVgt regading DNF at PAX:"I would seriously shit my pants and pre-order three copies - one will be sent to Jobi"