A piece of ROTT history - Page 2

Joe Siegler · 09-02-2005, 10:55 AM

To be honest, it's been a couple of years since I looked at them, I don't remember specific content at the moment.

It's just people standing in a pose so pictures can be taken. Turning them a few degrees to get another angle. Was all still picture stuff.

It's not full motion video where bloopers were recorded for ingame. Remember, this was late 1993, game tech was much different then.

About the only real silliness that I can remember was what's in my avatar. During all my screen grabs, the Dopefish throw pillow you see was behind me - was one of those "I know it was there when we made it" things, that no one else would know about. At the last second, we grabbed another frame where I was holding the Dopefish pillow in front of me. Ended up as the avatar image you see here.

Beyond that, I don't recall much stupidity during the videos, except the odd time someone would walk by the camcorder recording all this and make a face at it or something.

Frenkel · 09-02-2005, 02:34 PM

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I hope Joe has more important stuff to do than that

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Well.............

More important stuff like releasing the Kroz source code

Joe Siegler · 09-07-2005, 01:34 PM

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Nacho said:
Screen grabs would be nice.

I was looking on the server for something else today, and found this:

There's a few more here, but it's nothing terribly exciting, IMO.

http://www.3drealms.com/rott/images/captures

The wooden square was something we built where all the actors stood (or in my case, sat) and then were rotated to capture frames for use in the game.

Joe Siegler · 09-07-2005, 01:47 PM

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pjohnsonjr said:
That's awesome! I think I've seen a few other pictures, one being Tom Hall and the other picture being William. I like these pictures from scenes and stuff from older games, kinda cool to look back on that time. Romero has a few from the early days of id and through the Doom years, including the chainsaw Tom borrowed and never gave back

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Would you happen to have more from ROTT Joe?

Well, I took a look in the pics directory on the ROTT CD. Here's what I found there:

Joe Siegler · 09-07-2005, 01:48 PM

Tom recording El Oscuro 1.

Joe Siegler · 09-07-2005, 01:48 PM

Tom recording El Oscuro 2.

Little Conqueror · 09-07-2005, 01:49 PM

Hellooooooooo camera captioning contest pictures.

Joe Siegler · 09-07-2005, 01:51 PM

This is probably the picture of William Scarboro (RIP) that was mentioned above. His character never made it into any version of the game at beta level. It was jettisoned pretty quickly, and to my knowledge, no copy of the game with his character in it survives, unfortunately.

I've had Tom Hall, Mark D, & Dose all look in their archives, and no one has a copy of that version.

Internally we call those version the "Hot buns" versions, because one of the chracters then said "Lookin' for some hot buns". Not sure why.

Little Conqueror · 09-07-2005, 02:18 PM

You know, I think you guys did a great job with those characters. Even though now when I play ROTT, I feel guilty fragging Apogee staffers.

Joe Siegler · 09-07-2005, 02:28 PM

I just had a look through my company photo archive. I have lots of pictures of the people who worked here then, but no more "character" pictures like that. I checked all my "real" pictures, as well as the digital archive. No luck.

The only source that I can think of will be scans from the videotapes.

8IronBob · 09-07-2005, 05:17 PM

Ah, the memories. I can only hope that ROTT will make a great comeback one day or another, of course, a sequel may never happen. It's a good dream, but history vs. the future of ROTT, well, good thought.

Little Conqueror · 09-07-2005, 07:56 PM

A sequel?!? Are you crazy?!? Do you know how long it took them to make that chair?!?

pjohnsonjr · 09-07-2005, 08:11 PM

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Little Conqueror said:
A sequel?!? Are you crazy?!? Do you know how long it took them to make that chair?!?

Then get the take right because Joe kept stapling himself and other people?!

This is some cool stuff Joe. I think if I remember correctly I was the one who alluded to the William Scarboro picture, and that's the one I remember, it was on some ROTT Fansite.

Great Stuff

Night Hacker · 09-11-2005, 02:31 AM

My favorite picture of William was the one where he was holding and pointing at the bat. Made me laugh the first time I seen it.

Joe Siegler · 02-27-2006, 06:08 PM

I found one more from this group. It was in my personal picture archives at home, which I just dug out of a closet this weekend.

See attached.

jbailey · 02-28-2006, 07:19 AM

This is great stuff! Nice pic!

shiranui · 02-28-2006, 08:29 PM

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Joe3DR said:
I found one more from this group. It was in my personal picture archives at home, which I just dug out of a closet this weekend.

See attached.

<font color="red"> Bloooooooooooooooooooooooooood!!! </font>

Joe Siegler · 02-28-2006, 10:06 PM

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shiranui said:

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Joe3DR said:
I found one more from this group. It was in my personal picture archives at home, which I just dug out of a closet this weekend.

See attached.

<font color="red"> Bloooooooooooooooooooooooooood!!! </font>

Huh? I don't understand that at all.

ShadeEX · 03-01-2006, 02:51 AM

Very nice pictures Joe... and i agree i would love it as extra content an a dvd.. even if it is boring...

oh and is there somewhere where the digitizing process is descriped id love to know how to do that..

since im interested in making a TC for duke3d with me digitized in it some where as a Egg..

EDIT: and of cource some new weapons and new enemies and npcs..

Carger2000 · 03-01-2006, 04:40 PM

That's the things I love about old games. You wouldn't find such pictures for todays releases.

Nacho · 03-01-2006, 07:42 PM

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ShadeEX said:
Very nice pictures Joe... and i agree i would love it as extra content an a dvd.. even if it is boring...

oh and is there somewhere where the digitizing process is descriped id love to know how to do that..

since im interested in making a TC for duke3d with me digitized in it some where as a Egg..

EDIT: and of cource some new weapons and new enemies and npcs..

I asked this a long time ago. Just the process and how it's very time consuming.

Now a days alls that's needed is a green screen and a digital camera and some editing software. Oh, and a lot of time.

ShadeEX · 03-02-2006, 03:39 AM

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Nacho said:
I asked this a long time ago. Just the process and how it's very time consuming.

Now a days alls that's needed is a green screen and a digital camera and some editing software. Oh, and a lot of time.

ahh okay well ill be needing a greenscreen ... well guess i can scrap the tc idea till i get one...

moron · 03-02-2006, 06:13 PM

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Joe3DR said:

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Joe3DR said:
I found one more from this group. It was in my personal picture archives at home, which I just dug out of a closet this weekend.

See attached.

<font color="red"> Bloooooooooooooooooooooooooood!!! </font>

Huh? I don't understand that at all.

I think that was one of your lines in the game or was it one of the other boss's?

Joe Siegler · 03-02-2006, 06:35 PM

Wasn't one of mine. Can't say I remember it from one of the others, either.

The Green Herring · 03-02-2006, 08:30 PM

I think he means simply "Bleh!"

Interesting to see shots from the day of shooting. I see you guys were apparently using prop Lugers for handguns, too. (An inspiration from the days when it was a Wolf3D expansion pack?

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Joe Siegler · 03-03-2006, 12:28 AM

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(An inspiration from the days when it was a Wolf3D expansion pack?

I doubt it. When it was nothing more than a Wolf expansion pack, it truly was just in the same style as Wolf art was. The old ROTT deisgn spec on this website has some of that art, I think.

No, I think it's just a case of using whatever was available.

And yes, my line was Bleh!

shiranui · 03-03-2006, 12:43 AM

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Joe3DR said:

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(An inspiration from the days when it was a Wolf3D expansion pack?

I doubt it. When it was nothing more than a Wolf expansion pack, it truly was just in the same style as Wolf art was. The old ROTT deisgn spec on this website has some of that art, I think.

No, I think it's just a case of using whatever was available.

And yes, my line was Bleh!

Could've sworn it was blood, though that does sound kind of silly. I'll go listen again.

Just listened to it again for the first time in years and it is indeed "B'leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh!!"

Anyway, the best boss line in ROTT, or indeed any game, has to be:

"They'll bury you in a lunchbox!!"

The Green Herring · 03-03-2006, 01:31 AM

Yeah, indeed!

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">And then he blows his own head off with his bazooka.

</td></tr></table>

I did notice the original design specs for ROTT and the development art. Among those wall images, I can see at least that the pink brick wall remained the same as it was back in those days. I also find it interesting that the projectile image when the Overpatrols shoot their nets at you was completely unchanged.

Then again, reading about the development of good games is always interesting.

Joe Siegler · 03-03-2006, 09:43 AM

The Bleh! was an adlib of mine when I was recording.

It's a sound from an old Tom Hall game for the Apple II called "Legend of the Star Axe". It's the game I'm playing in that picture on the ROTT CD that gets posted on the forums from time to time where I'm wearing a Dio hat pointing at a computer (my Apple IIgs) with a really maniaial look on my face.

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"They'll bury you in a lunchbox!!"

See attached.

shiranui · 03-04-2006, 01:23 PM

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Joe3DR said:
The Bleh! was an adlib of mine when I was recording.

It's a sound from an old Tom Hall game for the Apple II called "Legend of the Star Axe". It's the game I'm playing in that picture on the ROTT CD that gets posted on the forums from time to time where I'm wearing a Dio hat pointing at a computer (my Apple IIgs) with a really maniaial look on my face.

Cool..

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Joe3DR said:
See attached.

Wicked! I hope bosses, or enemies, taunt you in DNF too; it was one of my favourite features of ROTT.

ShadeEX · 03-05-2006, 05:11 AM

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Joe3DR said:
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ROFL... i agree this line is hillarious...

Shockwav3 · 02-25-2008, 10:23 AM

Gotta hate to bump this thread after 2 years, but I guess this is "new" and on topic.

Have the resources for the alternative character models cut from the game ever been recovered? I think Joe3DR already said they were "lost" before but maybe they popped up in the meanwhile or I got something wrong.

I've been digging up the web on rise of the triad recently and found some screenshots (downloaded from http://www.apogee1.com/rottsite/access.html) which seem to originate from some beta with the cut characters in place and decided to re-upload them for easier viewing pleasure, even tho checking it out yourself is worth it :P

http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?i...frott06ay1.png
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?i...frott07lc4.png
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?i...frott09na4.png
http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?i...triad09qi8.png
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?i...triad03kb7.png
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rott08hl1.png

And another 2 animations found in the darkwar.wad resources but not used in the game itself (not so sure about the second tho)
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?i...enannt1uw5.gif
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?i...enannt2ze6.gif

Joe Siegler · 02-25-2008, 11:06 AM

While the low guard alternates are good, I'm not sure the first two you link to are really alternate monks. We had two monks in the game anyway, I can't recall right now that we even had any other monks captured. I only remember Allen Blum & Lee Jackson as monks, which both were in the final game.

02-25-2008, 02:47 PM

The weapons in ROTT are still the most destructive fun weapons I've ever seen.
Yay for drunk missiles! I should have some 3d models I made when the ROTT source code got released...

Edit: Well I've found some of my models

Shockwav3 · 02-26-2008, 11:27 AM

According to the ending of ROTT Mark Dochterman was also digitized as a monk, with his character-set being cut from the game. From my judgement the frame used in above screenshots are the same as the one used in the ending for the cut away monk.

8IronBob · 02-27-2008, 09:53 AM

Hmph... Wonder what involvements there were outside of that? Anyone else digitized in ROTT as anything besides Joe and Mark?

Joe Siegler · 02-27-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 8IronBob

Hmph... Wonder what involvements there were outside of that? Anyone else digitized in ROTT as anything besides Joe and Mark?

Huh? Have you read the FAQ's?

http://www.3drealms.com/faq

09-02-2005, 10:55 AM	#41
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: A piece of ROTT history To be honest, it's been a couple of years since I looked at them, I don't remember specific content at the moment. It's just people standing in a pose so pictures can be taken. Turning them a few degrees to get another angle. Was all still picture stuff. It's not full motion video where bloopers were recorded for ingame. Remember, this was late 1993, game tech was much different then. About the only real silliness that I can remember was what's in my avatar. During all my screen grabs, the Dopefish throw pillow you see was behind me - was one of those "I know it was there when we made it" things, that no one else would know about. At the last second, we grabbed another frame where I was holding the Dopefish pillow in front of me. Ended up as the avatar image you see here. Beyond that, I don't recall much stupidity during the videos, except the odd time someone would walk by the camcorder recording all this and make a face at it or something. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

09-07-2005, 02:28 PM	#50
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: A piece of ROTT history I just had a look through my company photo archive. I have lots of pictures of the people who worked here then, but no more "character" pictures like that. I checked all my "real" pictures, as well as the digital archive. No luck. The only source that I can think of will be scans from the videotapes. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

03-02-2006, 06:35 PM	#64
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: A piece of ROTT history Wasn't one of mine. Can't say I remember it from one of the others, either. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

02-25-2008, 11:06 AM	#73
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: A piece of ROTT history While the low guard alternates are good, I'm not sure the first two you link to are really alternate monks. We had two monks in the game anyway, I can't recall right now that we even had any other monks captured. I only remember Allen Blum & Lee Jackson as monks, which both were in the final game. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

02-25-2008, 02:47 PM	#74
The Stinger Guest	Re: A piece of ROTT history The weapons in ROTT are still the most destructive fun weapons I've ever seen. Yay for drunk missiles! I should have some 3d models I made when the ROTT source code got released... Edit: Well I've found some of my models Last edited by The Stinger; 02-25-2008 at 03:07 PM.

09-07-2005, 01:49 PM	#47
Little Conqueror	Re: A piece of ROTT history Hellooooooooo camera captioning contest pictures. __________________ If wishes were fishes, we'd smell like ladies' underwear. "If you join the good fight, you get 72 domain names when you die." -- Wamplet

09-07-2005, 02:18 PM	#49
Little Conqueror	Re: A piece of ROTT history You know, I think you guys did a great job with those characters. Even though now when I play ROTT, I feel guilty fragging Apogee staffers. __________________ If wishes were fishes, we'd smell like ladies' underwear. "If you join the good fight, you get 72 domain names when you die." -- Wamplet

09-07-2005, 05:17 PM	#51
8IronBob	Re: A piece of ROTT history Ah, the memories. I can only hope that ROTT will make a great comeback one day or another, of course, a sequel may never happen. It's a good dream, but history vs. the future of ROTT, well, good thought. __________________ PC Specs (a.k.a. "Galacticus Prime"): http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7Vk7FT

09-07-2005, 07:56 PM	#52
Little Conqueror	Re: A piece of ROTT history A sequel?!? Are you crazy?!? Do you know how long it took them to make that chair?!? __________________ If wishes were fishes, we'd smell like ladies' underwear. "If you join the good fight, you get 72 domain names when you die." -- Wamplet

09-11-2005, 02:31 AM	#54
Night Hacker	Re: A piece of ROTT history My favorite picture of William was the one where he was holding and pointing at the bat. Made me laugh the first time I seen it. __________________ "My general feeling is that computers are doing more harm than good." - Jay Miner ("father" of the Amiga)

02-28-2006, 07:19 AM	#56
jbailey	Re: A piece of ROTT history This is great stuff! Nice pic! __________________ Download Winrott here: http://www.riseofthetriad.dk/DL_GlROTT.htm jbailey

03-01-2006, 02:51 AM	#59
ShadeEX	Re: A piece of ROTT history Very nice pictures Joe... and i agree i would love it as extra content an a dvd.. even if it is boring... oh and is there somewhere where the digitizing process is descriped id love to know how to do that.. since im interested in making a TC for duke3d with me digitized in it some where as a Egg.. EDIT: and of cource some new weapons and new enemies and npcs.. __________________ Quote: "In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluxuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data." My Youtube Page-My Website(Not updated yet)-My Other Blog

03-01-2006, 04:40 PM	#60
Carger2000	Re: A piece of ROTT history That's the things I love about old games. You wouldn't find such pictures for todays releases. __________________ Signature? No not now.

03-02-2006, 08:30 PM	#65
The Green Herring	Re: A piece of ROTT history I think he means simply "Bleh!" Interesting to see shots from the day of shooting. I see you guys were apparently using prop Lugers for handguns, too. (An inspiration from the days when it was a Wolf3D expansion pack? ) __________________ - The Green Herring can dodge a train in a subway tunnel. "[...] when Shao Kahn has to break the news to his father that Raiden is still alive by, as remorsefully as possible, somersaulting down the stairs at incredible speeds."

03-03-2006, 01:31 AM	#68
The Green Herring	Re: A piece of ROTT history Yeah, indeed! <table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">And then he blows his own head off with his bazooka. </td></tr></table> I did notice the original design specs for ROTT and the development art. Among those wall images, I can see at least that the pink brick wall remained the same as it was back in those days. I also find it interesting that the projectile image when the Overpatrols shoot their nets at you was completely unchanged. Then again, reading about the development of good games is always interesting. __________________ - The Green Herring can dodge a train in a subway tunnel. "[...] when Shao Kahn has to break the news to his father that Raiden is still alive by, as remorsefully as possible, somersaulting down the stairs at incredible speeds."

02-25-2008, 10:23 AM	#72
Shockwav3	Re: A piece of ROTT history Gotta hate to bump this thread after 2 years, but I guess this is "new" and on topic. Have the resources for the alternative character models cut from the game ever been recovered? I think Joe3DR already said they were "lost" before but maybe they popped up in the meanwhile or I got something wrong. I've been digging up the web on rise of the triad recently and found some screenshots (downloaded from http://www.apogee1.com/rottsite/access.html) which seem to originate from some beta with the cut characters in place and decided to re-upload them for easier viewing pleasure, even tho checking it out yourself is worth it :P http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?i...frott06ay1.png http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?i...frott07lc4.png http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?i...frott09na4.png http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?i...triad09qi8.png http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?i...triad03kb7.png http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rott08hl1.png And another 2 animations found in the darkwar.wad resources but not used in the game itself (not so sure about the second tho) http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?i...enannt1uw5.gif http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?i...enannt2ze6.gif Last edited by Shockwav3; 02-25-2008 at 11:09 AM. Reason: additional info

02-26-2008, 11:27 AM	#75
Shockwav3	Re: A piece of ROTT history According to the ending of ROTT Mark Dochterman was also digitized as a monk, with his character-set being cut from the game. From my judgement the frame used in above screenshots are the same as the one used in the ending for the cut away monk.

02-27-2008, 09:53 AM	#76
8IronBob	Re: A piece of ROTT history Hmph... Wonder what involvements there were outside of that? Anyone else digitized in ROTT as anything besides Joe and Mark? __________________ PC Specs (a.k.a. "Galacticus Prime"): http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7Vk7FT