3DR should release all of it's classics in 1 collection

08-14-2000, 12:59 AM

3D Realms should release all of it's classics in 1 collection. I love it when game companies do this. I've purchased the classic collections from companies that re-released it's classic games. It should have all the classic games available on the site, and others not listed, like Halloween Harry. I would buy it, and it's a lot easier on the bank account than paying $10-$15 a pop. There are other slowdown utilies than MoSlo, and I'm sure they'd be more that happy to deal with 3D Realms.

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Alcoholic 007 · 08-14-2000, 04:08 AM

Yeah, but the revenue wouln't be worth the venture.

08-14-2000, 06:09 AM

Possibly, but the profit margins should be large. These games have gotten to the point where the only money they off of them are the people whom get nostalsic for a game, and don't decide to get it from a warez site. I have purchased Crystal Caves online here. The reason why I brought this up was because I was looking through my disks looking for my bootup disk when I found my old Halloween Harry shareware disk. I wanted to buy the full version because I never had it, only to find that 3DRealms was not selling it anymore. I then seen a bunch of games a wanted, but $10-$15 a game is expensive when you want a bunch.

This would give them an opportunity to make some money off these games that are sitting in their store, and to bring back some of the games that they have abandonded. I'm sure that they sell well. Like I said, I have bought a whole bunch of classic collections, and others like me buy them as well. The must be successful because a lot of the older companies are doing it, and I find I have to buy them early, because they sell quick.

08-14-2000, 12:37 PM

There have been people asking for an Apogee anthology for a long time, the answer has always been the same, and its something along the lines of 'as long as people are willing to buy the single games, 3dR will not make an anthology'

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Crosma · 08-14-2000, 12:47 PM

I can't see that happening. Most of Apogee's collection just doesn't work on newer machines anyway, even with MoSlo.

If Apogee were to do this, then they'd "have" to say on the box, "Lots of these games probably won't work on your PC", or something to that effect.

Besides the guys who make MoSlo charge a stupidly high amount of money to package the program with a commercial product, and without it then very few games would work.

I'm sure die hard Apogee fans would love it, but most people would just complain about not being able to get the games to work.

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Joe Siegler · 08-14-2000, 02:51 PM

We've said before a few times that we're not going to be doing this. The prime of which is that it becomes an instant goldmine for pirates.

There's several reasons, and I'm sure it's in the old messages in this forum - use the search.

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Crosma · 08-14-2000, 03:42 PM

Actually Joe, that's a good point. The Internet is already full of illegal copies anyway, I'm not sure if it would make that much difference.

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08-14-2000, 05:17 PM

Besides, they have other things to work on like Duke Nukem Forever. Nobody's gunna buy a cd full of games that are 2-9 years old.
Unless, of course, your machine isn't powerfull enough to run the NEW games!
(And if that were the case, how the heck did you get online)

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Theseus314 · 08-14-2000, 06:33 PM

"Nobody's gunna buy a cd full of games that are 2-9 years old"

That's just not true, you possibly won't but many people will.

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08-15-2000, 12:14 AM

After reading through the past archives, this is what I find are the reasons why this won't be released:

1) It won't make much money.
2) Pirates.
3) The games don't work on the newer computers because they are too fast. MoSlo is expensive.
4) People are still buying the single games.
5) Nobody is going to buy it.

1) It won't make much money. If these don't make much money, why do companies keep releasing them. I know of 3 KQ collections, 2 LSL collections, 2 QFG collections. They must be successful, or it probably never would of made it past the first KQ collection.

2) Pirates. Almost all of these games are being pirated. Go to any web browser, and you can probably find a copy of the game you want. Does that make it right; of course not. To help combat it for this collection, you could have it set up so that you must have the CD in the drive to play the games. Only have a partial install to the HD. The only way to get past that is to burn a copy of the disk.

3) The games are too fast, and MoSlo is expensive. I have just found 9 more slow down utilities. I will test them and see which one is the best. Some are DOS format, others are Windows format. I will post the freeware ones in my football webite, and give them a rating.

4) People are still buying the single games. Great, but there are still a lot of people who are not. A collection creates exposure for these games, and the company.

5) See #1. People buy these things. It's like buying antiques. These are quality games. They had to be. There was no such thing as 128 bit graphics, 16.7 million colours, smooth FMV, true 3D graphics and 2GB of free hard drive space 6 years ago to cover the fact that it's a lame game like Phantasmagoria

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I think it will do well, and now that I've got it off my chest, I will drop it.

Crosma · 08-15-2000, 04:21 PM

MoSlo is the best slowing down program, most just "waste" processor cycles to make the computer slower. I don't know what MoSlo does, but somehow it makes most old games work better than they used to.

It's not a case of the games running too fast, they don't run at all anymore. MoSlo seems to make them work.

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08-16-2000, 09:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Unless, of course, your machine isn't powerfull enough to run the NEW games!
(And if that were the case, how the heck did you get online)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's possible to get online with a 386... I don't think those can play any newer games...
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>have it set up so that you must have the CD in the drive to play the games<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Heck no! Whoever first thought of doing that for games was on crack! Do you know how annoying it is that whenever I wanna play either Duke3D or Death Rally I have to search through all my stuff just to find the CDs? I think that my Death Rally one is long gone by now... couldn't find it last time I wanted to play it. That's the worst way to protect games from pirates... besides, if someone cared enough they'd just program a crack for it, anyway... hmm, I oughtta get one of those...

Also, I used to be able to play the game Master of Orion... I don't know how I did it before, but it was some ingenius configuration so that I could load DOS with all the proper CD drivers and still have enough RAM left to run the game. My friend, who has the game on disks, can play it anytime he wants (the game has in-game copy protection, too, but if you have the CD version you're next to screwed.)

Just my opinions on why that is not the way to go to keep your game from getting pirated.

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08-17-2000, 01:05 AM

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Heck no! Whoever first thought of doing that for games was on crack! Do you know how annoying it is that whenever I wanna play either Duke3D or Death Rally I have to search through all my stuff just to find the CDs?
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I hate it too. I own Monkey Island Madness (MI 1&2) and I have to have the CD in the drive to play these. If the CD was the least bit dusty, my game would freeze. I only suggested it as an idea of what they can do to help prevent the piracy. I would rather have it set up this way with it accessing the CD, over not having it at all (if it ever does happen.)

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08-17-2000, 12:54 PM

The reason people pirate the games is probably
because they can't find a collection of
all the games they want. However, a
pirate site would probably give them this.

Crosma · 08-17-2000, 11:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BullFrog:
Unless, of course, your machine isn't powerfull enough to run the NEW games!
(And if that were the case, how the heck did you get online) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've got an 8MHz XT with 512KB and 2KB Modem, it's got a fully working Internet Connection.

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Admiral_Bob · 08-18-2000, 08:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Crosma:
I've got an 8MHz XT with 512KB and 2KB Modem, it's got a fully working Internet Connection.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you are serious about that, then just out of interest what browser are you using?

Bullfrog, you don't need a great deal of speed to access the internet. The major bottleneck is the modem. Anyone who has used the Lynx or Links browser for Linux will know what I mean - altough it does sometimes look bad when you actually need graphics

. The only problems you'd run into with using a slow machine is just that graphic updates of complex pages and multimedia objects will be rather sluggish...

Besides, while you may think nothing of those games (Apogee classics), there are other people out there, like myself, that will always appreciate them as well as today's stuff because they were the best quality games in their time, and they were the first to break new ground. Don't cast your opinion on to others expecting them to follow it.

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Crosma · 08-18-2000, 12:01 PM

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08-14-2000, 06:09 AM	#3
flutieflake13 Guest	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection Possibly, but the profit margins should be large. These games have gotten to the point where the only money they off of them are the people whom get nostalsic for a game, and don't decide to get it from a warez site. I have purchased Crystal Caves online here. The reason why I brought this up was because I was looking through my disks looking for my bootup disk when I found my old Halloween Harry shareware disk. I wanted to buy the full version because I never had it, only to find that 3DRealms was not selling it anymore. I then seen a bunch of games a wanted, but $10-$15 a game is expensive when you want a bunch. This would give them an opportunity to make some money off these games that are sitting in their store, and to bring back some of the games that they have abandonded. I'm sure that they sell well. Like I said, I have bought a whole bunch of classic collections, and others like me buy them as well. The must be successful because a lot of the older companies are doing it, and I find I have to buy them early, because they sell quick.

08-14-2000, 12:37 PM	#4
Guest Guest	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection There have been people asking for an Apogee anthology for a long time, the answer has always been the same, and its something along the lines of 'as long as people are willing to buy the single games, 3dR will not make an anthology' ------------------ "It wasn't supposed to turn out like this.." (Sebastian "Doyle" Krist) ROTT2: Return Of The Triad Our wines leave you nothing to hope for (misunderstandabilationist)

08-14-2000, 02:51 PM	#6
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection We've said before a few times that we're not going to be doing this. The prime of which is that it becomes an instant goldmine for pirates. There's several reasons, and I'm sure it's in the old messages in this forum - use the search. ------------------ Joe Siegler - Webmaster, 3D Realms --- Got a Duke Nukem Forever Question? GO READ THE FAQ BEFORE YOU POST ABOUT IT! Click here for info on how to use this UBB __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

08-14-2000, 05:17 PM	#8
Guest Guest	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection Besides, they have other things to work on like Duke Nukem Forever. Nobody's gunna buy a cd full of games that are 2-9 years old. Unless, of course, your machine isn't powerfull enough to run the NEW games! (And if that were the case, how the heck did you get online) ------------------ Thats no ordinary Wang. /\|\ Message reviewed by BullFrog. /\|\

08-15-2000, 12:14 AM	#10
flutieflake13 Guest	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection After reading through the past archives, this is what I find are the reasons why this won't be released: 1) It won't make much money. 2) Pirates. 3) The games don't work on the newer computers because they are too fast. MoSlo is expensive. 4) People are still buying the single games. 5) Nobody is going to buy it. 1) It won't make much money. If these don't make much money, why do companies keep releasing them. I know of 3 KQ collections, 2 LSL collections, 2 QFG collections. They must be successful, or it probably never would of made it past the first KQ collection. 2) Pirates. Almost all of these games are being pirated. Go to any web browser, and you can probably find a copy of the game you want. Does that make it right; of course not. To help combat it for this collection, you could have it set up so that you must have the CD in the drive to play the games. Only have a partial install to the HD. The only way to get past that is to burn a copy of the disk. 3) The games are too fast, and MoSlo is expensive. I have just found 9 more slow down utilities. I will test them and see which one is the best. Some are DOS format, others are Windows format. I will post the freeware ones in my football webite, and give them a rating. 4) People are still buying the single games. Great, but there are still a lot of people who are not. A collection creates exposure for these games, and the company. 5) See #1. People buy these things. It's like buying antiques. These are quality games. They had to be. There was no such thing as 128 bit graphics, 16.7 million colours, smooth FMV, true 3D graphics and 2GB of free hard drive space 6 years ago to cover the fact that it's a lame game like Phantasmagoria . I think it will do well, and now that I've got it off my chest, I will drop it.

08-14-2000, 12:59 AM	#1
flutieflake13 Guest	3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection 3D Realms should release all of it's classics in 1 collection. I love it when game companies do this. I've purchased the classic collections from companies that re-released it's classic games. It should have all the classic games available on the site, and others not listed, like Halloween Harry. I would buy it, and it's a lot easier on the bank account than paying $10-$15 a pop. There are other slowdown utilies than MoSlo, and I'm sure they'd be more that happy to deal with 3D Realms. [This message has been edited by flutieflake13 (edited 08-14-2000).] [This message has been edited by flutieflake13 (edited 08-14-2000).]

08-14-2000, 04:08 AM	#2
Alcoholic 007	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection Yeah, but the revenue wouln't be worth the venture. __________________ Signature (up to 250 characters). You may use UBBCode in your signature

08-14-2000, 12:47 PM	#5
Crosma	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection I can't see that happening. Most of Apogee's collection just doesn't work on newer machines anyway, even with MoSlo. If Apogee were to do this, then they'd "have" to say on the box, "Lots of these games probably won't work on your PC", or something to that effect. Besides the guys who make MoSlo charge a stupidly high amount of money to package the program with a commercial product, and without it then very few games would work. I'm sure die hard Apogee fans would love it, but most people would just complain about not being able to get the games to work. ------------------ Hell Is... comic strip. Email: [email protected] ICQ: 40937169 AIM: Crosma1 MSN: [email protected] __________________ (define love (lambda () (map conquer all)))

08-14-2000, 03:42 PM	#7
Crosma	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection Actually Joe, that's a good point. The Internet is already full of illegal copies anyway, I'm not sure if it would make that much difference. ------------------ Hell Is... comic strip. Email: [email protected] ICQ: 40937169 AIM: Crosma1 MSN: [email protected] __________________ (define love (lambda () (map conquer all)))

08-14-2000, 06:33 PM	#9
Theseus314	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection "Nobody's gunna buy a cd full of games that are 2-9 years old" That's just not true, you possibly won't but many people will. [This message has been edited by Joe3DR (edited 08-16-2000).]

08-15-2000, 04:21 PM	#11
Crosma	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection MoSlo is the best slowing down program, most just "waste" processor cycles to make the computer slower. I don't know what MoSlo does, but somehow it makes most old games work better than they used to. It's not a case of the games running too fast, they don't run at all anymore. MoSlo seems to make them work. ------------------ Hell Is... comic strip. Email: [email protected] ICQ: 40937169 AIM: Crosma1 MSN: [email protected] __________________ (define love (lambda () (map conquer all)))

08-16-2000, 09:15 PM	#12
Guest Guest	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Unless, of course, your machine isn't powerfull enough to run the NEW games! (And if that were the case, how the heck did you get online)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's possible to get online with a 386... I don't think those can play any newer games... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>have it set up so that you must have the CD in the drive to play the games<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Heck no! Whoever first thought of doing that for games was on crack! Do you know how annoying it is that whenever I wanna play either Duke3D or Death Rally I have to search through all my stuff just to find the CDs? I think that my Death Rally one is long gone by now... couldn't find it last time I wanted to play it. That's the worst way to protect games from pirates... besides, if someone cared enough they'd just program a crack for it, anyway... hmm, I oughtta get one of those... Also, I used to be able to play the game Master of Orion... I don't know how I did it before, but it was some ingenius configuration so that I could load DOS with all the proper CD drivers and still have enough RAM left to run the game. My friend, who has the game on disks, can play it anytime he wants (the game has in-game copy protection, too, but if you have the CD version you're next to screwed.) Just my opinions on why that is not the way to go to keep your game from getting pirated. ------------------ -Steve http://stevenvi.cjb.net

08-17-2000, 01:05 AM	#13
flutieflake13 Guest	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection quote by StevenVI: ------------------------------------------- Heck no! Whoever first thought of doing that for games was on crack! Do you know how annoying it is that whenever I wanna play either Duke3D or Death Rally I have to search through all my stuff just to find the CDs? -------------------------------------------- I hate it too. I own Monkey Island Madness (MI 1&2) and I have to have the CD in the drive to play these. If the CD was the least bit dusty, my game would freeze. I only suggested it as an idea of what they can do to help prevent the piracy. I would rather have it set up this way with it accessing the CD, over not having it at all (if it ever does happen.) ------------------ Word, to your mother! -Vanilla Ice

08-17-2000, 12:54 PM	#14
Guest Guest	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection The reason people pirate the games is probably because they can't find a collection of all the games they want. However, a pirate site would probably give them this.

08-17-2000, 11:44 PM	#15
Crosma	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BullFrog: Unless, of course, your machine isn't powerfull enough to run the NEW games! (And if that were the case, how the heck did you get online) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I've got an 8MHz XT with 512KB and 2KB Modem, it's got a fully working Internet Connection. ------------------ Hell Is... comic strip. Email: [email protected] ICQ: 40937169 AIM: Crosma1 MSN: [email protected] __________________ (define love (lambda () (map conquer all)))

08-18-2000, 08:16 AM	#16
Admiral_Bob	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Crosma: I've got an 8MHz XT with 512KB and 2KB Modem, it's got a fully working Internet Connection.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> If you are serious about that, then just out of interest what browser are you using? Bullfrog, you don't need a great deal of speed to access the internet. The major bottleneck is the modem. Anyone who has used the Lynx or Links browser for Linux will know what I mean - altough it does sometimes look bad when you actually need graphics . The only problems you'd run into with using a slow machine is just that graphic updates of complex pages and multimedia objects will be rather sluggish... Besides, while you may think nothing of those games (Apogee classics), there are other people out there, like myself, that will always appreciate them as well as today's stuff because they were the best quality games in their time, and they were the first to break new ground. Don't cast your opinion on to others expecting them to follow it. [This message has been edited by Admiral_Bob (edited 08-18-2000).] __________________ A d m i r a l B o b

08-18-2000, 12:01 PM	#17
Crosma	Re: 3DR should release all of it\'s classics in 1 collection Admiral_Bob - I use Net Tamer 1.1.3 XT ------------------ Hell Is... comic strip. Email: [email protected] ICQ: 40937169 AIM: Crosma1 MSN: [email protected] __________________ (define love (lambda () (map conquer all)))