From the archives, look what I found!

Joe Siegler · 07-03-2008, 04:00 PM

Just took the attached picture today. I didn't think I had any of these left. However, I found two of them. I will be putting them up on Ebay shortly.

I'm curious to see what these would go for, as the last time I sold any on Ebay it was around 2000 or something like that.

http://www.3drealms.com/camera/112296.html

Actually, given the date of that link above, it may have been earlier than 2000.

Joe Siegler · 07-03-2008, 04:15 PM

Check out http://www.dopefish.com

Joe Siegler · 07-03-2008, 04:50 PM

Check the front page of Dopefish.com.

Damien_Azreal · 07-03-2008, 05:03 PM

Awesome.

Will be interesting to see what they go for on Ebay, I know I won't be able to afford them... but I'll watch for fun.

alexgk · 07-03-2008, 05:33 PM

Freaking awesome! An Apogee story reborn...

fast-1 · 07-03-2008, 06:37 PM

Smells fishy to me sorry couldn't resist.

Kennerado · 07-03-2008, 06:55 PM

hehe nice stuff. Too bad I live outside the US.

Little Conqueror · 07-04-2008, 01:13 AM

I'll be placing a bid soon most likely. Thanks for putting this up, Joe!

MrBlackCat · 07-05-2008, 05:07 PM

I placed my bid... then got outbid... then rebid... back on top.

I will get outbid eventually... or will I?
... or maybe I just want other bidders to be comfortable I am out of the race... so I can SNIPE it for $100 in the last 5 seconds! (insert evil laugh with some lightening strikes)
May the least financially challenged win!

I really hate how eBay now hides the names in the bidders list... I always researched the bidding habits of the other bidders or backed out of a bid if it was someone I knew, or contacted other bidders who were also collectors to see if they wanted to swap, trade, sell, share history etc... eBay has really gotten greedy in my opinion.

Anyway... good look to all the bidders.

Mr.BlackCat

MrBlackCat · 07-06-2008, 07:06 AM

Hey... why isn't this thread in the Dopefish.com forum? Wouldn't it get more exposure to Dopefish fans there?

Mr.BlackCat

Joe Siegler · 07-06-2008, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

Hey... why isn't this thread in the Dopefish.com forum? Wouldn't it get more exposure to Dopefish fans there?

Mr.BlackCat

I thought about that, but thought it would be wider here.

Nukkus · 07-06-2008, 12:55 PM

no shipping to canada? DAMN IT! WHY JOE WHY!?

DOSGuy · 07-07-2008, 04:42 AM

Yeah, I'm disappointed by that, too. Canada isn't overseas.

ShadeEX · 07-07-2008, 08:33 AM

No overseas shipment..

Me sad panda...

Joe Siegler · 07-07-2008, 09:07 AM

The last time I shipped one overseas it got broken, despite my packing it well. You really should read the entire auction parameters though guys.

Qbix · 07-07-2008, 09:20 AM

tempting...
Reminds me of one other dopefish fan made item I found last for sale.

fast-1 · 07-07-2008, 12:34 PM

Would be safer to collect it yourself if buying it.

szevvy · 07-07-2008, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

The last time I shipped one overseas it got broken, despite my packing it well. You really should read the entire auction parameters though guys.

Aww come on Joe, I read the auction parameters well and did as asked but have had no dice

MrBlackCat · 07-07-2008, 06:01 PM

I am going to win the cup anyway, so shipping outside the US really doesn't make much difference...
<evil grin>
I am still the high bidder and will stay that way until... until... I am not the high bidder anymore.

(Just kidding! Good luck everyone bidding...

MrBlackCat

Phayzon · 07-07-2008, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Just took the attached picture today. I didn't think I had any of these left.

A bottle of germX?

SonnyBonds · 07-08-2008, 01:53 AM

An unrelated question but I'm wondering - I notice you have no bad feedback, yet you have left bad feedback for other deadbeat sellers.. how do you avoid having them leave you bad feedback as revenge? They always do that with me so I'm blackmailed into never leaving bad feedback

Superczar · 07-08-2008, 07:31 AM

Sellers can't leave bad feedback now, but that system was only recently implemented (a few months ago?)...

Joe Siegler · 07-08-2008, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBlackCat

I am going to win the cup anyway, so shipping outside the US really doesn't make much difference...
<evil grin>
I am still the high bidder and will stay that way until... until... I am not the high bidder anymore.

(Just kidding! Good luck everyone bidding...

MrBlackCat

Now that I know that, perhaps I sould break out my fake accounts and jack up the price.

Damien_Azreal · 07-08-2008, 03:37 PM

Do it Joe.

DOSGuy · 07-08-2008, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

The last time I shipped one overseas it got broken, despite my packing it well. You really should read the entire auction parameters though guys.

I can certainly understand that. I think what Nukkus and I were pointing out is that Canada isn't overseas. You can ship with FedEx Ground and it will get exactly the same ride as if it was being shipped to Seattle. A shorter ride, actually, than if it gets shipped to Alaska or Hawaii, the latter of which actually is overseas! I don't ship overseas any more either, but I buy and ship to the U.S. all the time and I haven't had any problems. Just have to pay the damn Customs fees for bringing it across the border.

Superczar · 07-08-2008, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

Now that I know that, perhaps I sould break out my fake accounts and jack up the price.

That shit irritates the hell out of me, and I think a lot of auctions I bid on are done that way...

I also can't figure out why people start bidding 4+ days before it ends, that just drives up the price...

MrBlackCat · 07-08-2008, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superczar

That shit irritates the hell out of me, and I think a lot of auctions I bid on are done that way...

I also can't figure out why people start bidding 4+ days before it ends, that just drives up the price...

Hey Superczar...
You are correct, some auctions are driven up that way but it isn't as common as you might think. Most would be awed by the software they use to detect patterns based on locations, IP, and other factors... they catch stop many of the organized groups or "pro's". It would be unlikely that "a lot" of auctions you bid on are done that way... unless you have ticked off someone and they are harassing you without the knowledge of the seller. That happened to me and for about two years I could only snipe or get my bids run up to pennies below my max bid. It is possible to get ANY bidders high bid, but it takes 15 minutes plus to locate and decrypt, so sniping is generally recommended to avoid foul play on eBay.

Your second statement... also correct, I bid 4+ days in advance to drive up the price. Hey... I am pro seller in some instances.

Seriously though, I never bid my full amount at first as it does encourage "dollar (at a time) bidders" to run the price up unnecessarily. I just do it sometimes to see who I am bidding against... but with the wonderful new (sarcasm) advent of eBay hiding the names in the bidders list such research is no longer possible or actually too difficult to be practical.

Good luck bidders!

MrBlackCat (3D Realms Forums)
Mr.BlackCat (eBay)

Superczar · 07-08-2008, 06:32 PM

I swoop in at the last ~~minute~~ 20s, bid my max amount and if I get it I get it - only ever lost 1 auction that way and in the end I still got that item from that seller anyway! And I am definitely NOT pro seller, I want it as cheap as I can get it.

MrBlackCat · 07-08-2008, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superczar

I swoop in at the last ~~minute~~ 20s, bid my max amount and if I get it I get it - only ever lost 1 auction that way and in the end I still got that item from that seller anyway! And I am definitely NOT pro seller, I want it as cheap as I can get it.

I understand... a quick run through my history shows Buy It Now's or bids in the last 15 seconds only... the exception being this auction because I won't be at a computer when it closes...
I was a seller for years (on another account) and I used to REALLY like those "dollar bidder" types that have bid wars DAYS before an auctions close. As a seller, I want as much as I can get for my sale!

MrBlackCat (3D Realms Forums)
Mr.BlackCat (eBay)

Little Conqueror · 07-08-2008, 08:12 PM

I hate auction snipers. I feel that if someone bids in the last ten minutes of an auction, it should be extended for five minutes. Yes, it causes the price to be higher, but it prevents someone from winning simply because someone else had to go to the bathroom with two minutes left and the high bid.

Steve · 07-08-2008, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Conqueror

Yes, it causes the price to be higher, but it prevents someone from winning simply because someone else had to go to the bathroom with two minutes left and the high bid.

Can you not set an auto-bid with ebay?

DOSGuy · 07-08-2008, 08:18 PM

Yahoo Auctions apparently extends the auction when bidding occurs at the deadline. It's good for buyers because it prevents them being sniped (as long as they're at the computer), and good for sellers because it sometimes creates a prolonged bidding war at the end.

Phayzon · 07-08-2008, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve

Can you not set an auto-bid with ebay?

What if, for example, you have $700 and someone bids on this $600 mug for $8000 and you auto-bid $8001? Not a good system

Superczar · 07-08-2008, 08:51 PM

IIRC you set your max price and eBay bids on your behalf up to that price. So if you have $700 max bid on an item that is at $600 and then someone bids $800 you're SOL.

I assume you guys that don't like being sniped at the last second, that it has happened to you. I can understand that, it's happened to me once or twice also, but that's how the game's played. I refuse to help drive up a price on something days before it ends, b/c that's bad for my wallet. There have been several auctions where I decided not to even try b/c people had driven up the price days beforehand to the point where it wasn't worth the amount it got driven to...

MrBlackCat · 07-11-2008, 08:38 PM

I LOST that first one!

I wonder if it was someone from here who won it... Hmm...

Ok... second mug is mine... snipe time baby...

Good luck bidders.

MrBlackCat (3D Realms Forums)
Mr.BlackCat (eBay)

Forgot to comment on sniping... I love to get sniped because fair is fair and it reminds me to be rational and selective about what an item is worth to me. I have been to real auctions and they are just games to lure the unwise with emotionally based bids, in my opinion. eBay is actually like Silent auctions where you bid and you either win or you don't without any of that dollar bidding garbage. I don't "do" auctions for entertainment... I do them to try to obtain the item I am bidding on, but there are MILLIONS of people who bid on items for entertainment and it is like a sport or a contest for them. As a seller in the thousands I learned this. I do accept the concept, but it is kind of scary to me personally. It comes across to me as irrational or at best silly. Bid wars to me are not based in logic but emotion.
Example: I bid on a game once that had only bid... I was outbid at first... about $10. I had seconds left, so I bid again $20, then $40 then $60... then it ended and I still lost. Only two of us bid... I messaged the winner and got to know them... a collector I type with still, years later. He wanted the item for his collection and had dropped just a single bid of over $1000 on this game in the last minute. It sure made me think. This individual is very specific and selective and also knew the rarity of this game... and was right, the only one I have seen since, I got about three years ago.
Ok... enough rambling about eBay, I think the point is clear though.

MrBlackCat

bobthefish · 07-15-2008, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

The last time I shipped one overseas it got broken, despite my packing it well. You really should read the entire auction parameters though guys.

...
canada isnt overseas....

Joe Siegler · 07-16-2008, 01:38 PM

Is any of you the current bidder on Cup #2? There's an ebay rating of zero on those, and I never like selling to people with ratings of zero. I've run into more problems with zero than I care to think of.

Damien_Azreal · 07-16-2008, 01:39 PM

I didn't bid on either, didn't think I would be able to afford them. Stopped watching the sales actually.

I need to check and see how much the first one went for.

peoplessi · 07-16-2008, 03:58 PM

Well, I'm from Finland, it would be much of use for me to bid

Joe Siegler · 07-16-2008, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damien_azreal

i didn't bid on either, didn't think i would be able to afford them. Stopped watching the sales actually.

i need to check and see how much the first one went for.

$47.50

07-03-2008, 04:50 PM	#3
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Check the front page of Dopefish.com. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

07-03-2008, 05:03 PM	#4
Damien_Azreal Super Moderator	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Awesome. Will be interesting to see what they go for on Ebay, I know I won't be able to afford them... but I'll watch for fun. __________________ Monolith Fanboy since 1997 Upcoming Anticipated Games: Doom, Shadow Warrior 2, Mafia III, DisHonored 2, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

07-07-2008, 09:07 AM	#15
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: From the archives, look what I found! The last time I shipped one overseas it got broken, despite my packing it well. You really should read the entire auction parameters though guys. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

07-07-2008, 09:20 AM	#16
Qbix DOSBox Advisor	Re: From the archives, look what I found! tempting... Reminds me of one other dopefish fan made item I found last for sale.

07-08-2008, 03:37 PM	#24
Damien_Azreal Super Moderator	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Do it Joe. __________________ Monolith Fanboy since 1997 Upcoming Anticipated Games: Doom, Shadow Warrior 2, Mafia III, DisHonored 2, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

07-03-2008, 04:15 PM	#2
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Check out http://www.dopefish.com __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

07-03-2008, 05:33 PM	#5
alexgk	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Freaking awesome! An Apogee story reborn... __________________ Playable demo this year! Confirmed!!

07-03-2008, 06:37 PM	#6
fast-1	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Smells fishy to me sorry couldn't resist.

07-03-2008, 06:55 PM	#7
Kennerado	Re: From the archives, look what I found! hehe nice stuff. Too bad I live outside the US. __________________ "Mark it ZERO!"

07-04-2008, 01:13 AM	#8
Little Conqueror	Re: From the archives, look what I found! I'll be placing a bid soon most likely. Thanks for putting this up, Joe! __________________ If wishes were fishes, we'd smell like ladies' underwear. "If you join the good fight, you get 72 domain names when you die." -- Wamplet

07-05-2008, 05:07 PM	#9
MrBlackCat	Re: From the archives, look what I found! I placed my bid... then got outbid... then rebid... back on top. I will get outbid eventually... or will I? ... or maybe I just want other bidders to be comfortable I am out of the race... so I can SNIPE it for $100 in the last 5 seconds! (insert evil laugh with some lightening strikes) May the least financially challenged win! I really hate how eBay now hides the names in the bidders list... I always researched the bidding habits of the other bidders or backed out of a bid if it was someone I knew, or contacted other bidders who were also collectors to see if they wanted to swap, trade, sell, share history etc... eBay has really gotten greedy in my opinion. Anyway... good look to all the bidders. Mr.BlackCat __________________ YES! I do wear my Duke Xtreme t-shirt every day!* :) (Not really, sometimes I wear my Time to Kill* t-shirt... like while I am washing my other Duke shirts for instance.) :)

07-06-2008, 07:06 AM	#10
MrBlackCat	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Hey... why isn't this thread in the Dopefish.com forum? Wouldn't it get more exposure to Dopefish fans there? Mr.BlackCat __________________ YES! I do wear my Duke Xtreme t-shirt every day!* :) (Not really, sometimes I wear my Time to Kill* t-shirt... like while I am washing my other Duke shirts for instance.) :)

07-06-2008, 12:55 PM	#12
Nukkus	Re: From the archives, look what I found! no shipping to canada? DAMN IT! WHY JOE WHY!?

07-07-2008, 04:42 AM	#13
DOSGuy	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Yeah, I'm disappointed by that, too. Canada isn't overseas. __________________ "Today entirely the maniac there is no excuse with the article." Get free DOS games at www.classicdosgames.com

07-07-2008, 08:33 AM	#14
ShadeEX	Re: From the archives, look what I found! No overseas shipment.. Me sad panda... __________________ Quote: "In an infinite universe where reality is interpreted through our continuously fluxuating perception, providing absolute definitive proof of anything becomes a little more than speculation based on random data." My Youtube Page-My Website(Not updated yet)-My Other Blog

07-07-2008, 12:34 PM	#17
fast-1	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Would be safer to collect it yourself if buying it.

07-07-2008, 06:01 PM	#19
MrBlackCat	Re: From the archives, look what I found! I am going to win the cup anyway, so shipping outside the US really doesn't make much difference... <evil grin> I am still the high bidder and will stay that way until... until... I am not the high bidder anymore. (Just kidding! Good luck everyone bidding... MrBlackCat __________________ YES! I do wear my Duke Xtreme t-shirt every day!* :) (Not really, sometimes I wear my Time to Kill* t-shirt... like while I am washing my other Duke shirts for instance.) :)

07-08-2008, 01:53 AM	#21
SonnyBonds	Re: From the archives, look what I found! An unrelated question but I'm wondering - I notice you have no bad feedback, yet you have left bad feedback for other deadbeat sellers.. how do you avoid having them leave you bad feedback as revenge? They always do that with me so I'm blackmailed into never leaving bad feedback __________________ Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

07-08-2008, 07:31 AM	#22
Superczar	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Sellers can't leave bad feedback now, but that system was only recently implemented (a few months ago?)... __________________ 'F*** Fresch!!!'.

07-08-2008, 06:32 PM	#28
Superczar	Re: From the archives, look what I found! I swoop in at the last ~~minute~~ 20s, bid my max amount and if I get it I get it - only ever lost 1 auction that way and in the end I still got that item from that seller anyway! And I am definitely NOT pro seller, I want it as cheap as I can get it. __________________ 'F*** Fresch!!!'.

07-08-2008, 08:12 PM	#30
Little Conqueror	Re: From the archives, look what I found! I hate auction snipers. I feel that if someone bids in the last ten minutes of an auction, it should be extended for five minutes. Yes, it causes the price to be higher, but it prevents someone from winning simply because someone else had to go to the bathroom with two minutes left and the high bid. __________________ If wishes were fishes, we'd smell like ladies' underwear. "If you join the good fight, you get 72 domain names when you die." -- Wamplet

07-08-2008, 08:18 PM	#32
DOSGuy	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Yahoo Auctions apparently extends the auction when bidding occurs at the deadline. It's good for buyers because it prevents them being sniped (as long as they're at the computer), and good for sellers because it sometimes creates a prolonged bidding war at the end. __________________ "Today entirely the maniac there is no excuse with the article." Get free DOS games at www.classicdosgames.com

07-08-2008, 08:51 PM	#34
Superczar	Re: From the archives, look what I found! IIRC you set your max price and eBay bids on your behalf up to that price. So if you have $700 max bid on an item that is at $600 and then someone bids $800 you're SOL. I assume you guys that don't like being sniped at the last second, that it has happened to you. I can understand that, it's happened to me once or twice also, but that's how the game's played. I refuse to help drive up a price on something days before it ends, b/c that's bad for my wallet. There have been several auctions where I decided not to even try b/c people had driven up the price days beforehand to the point where it wasn't worth the amount it got driven to... __________________ 'F*** Fresch!!!'.

07-11-2008, 08:38 PM	#35
MrBlackCat	Re: From the archives, look what I found! I LOST that first one! I wonder if it was someone from here who won it... Hmm... Ok... second mug is mine... snipe time baby... Good luck bidders. MrBlackCat (3D Realms Forums) Mr.BlackCat (eBay) Forgot to comment on sniping... I love to get sniped because fair is fair and it reminds me to be rational and selective about what an item is worth to me. I have been to real auctions and they are just games to lure the unwise with emotionally based bids, in my opinion. eBay is actually like Silent auctions where you bid and you either win or you don't without any of that dollar bidding garbage. I don't "do" auctions for entertainment... I do them to try to obtain the item I am bidding on, but there are MILLIONS of people who bid on items for entertainment and it is like a sport or a contest for them. As a seller in the thousands I learned this. I do accept the concept, but it is kind of scary to me personally. It comes across to me as irrational or at best silly. Bid wars to me are not based in logic but emotion. Example: I bid on a game once that had only bid... I was outbid at first... about $10. I had seconds left, so I bid again $20, then $40 then $60... then it ended and I still lost. Only two of us bid... I messaged the winner and got to know them... a collector I type with still, years later. He wanted the item for his collection and had dropped just a single bid of over $1000 on this game in the last minute. It sure made me think. This individual is very specific and selective and also knew the rarity of this game... and was right, the only one I have seen since, I got about three years ago. Ok... enough rambling about eBay, I think the point is clear though. MrBlackCat __________________ YES! I do wear my Duke Xtreme t-shirt every day!* :) (Not really, sometimes I wear my Time to Kill* t-shirt... like while I am washing my other Duke shirts for instance.) :) Last edited by MrBlackCat; 07-11-2008 at 08:59 PM. Reason: Added comment on sniping...

07-16-2008, 01:38 PM	#37
Joe Siegler 3D Realms Staff	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Is any of you the current bidder on Cup #2? There's an ebay rating of zero on those, and I never like selling to people with ratings of zero. I've run into more problems with zero than I care to think of. __________________ Apogee / 3D Realms Employee: Dec 14, 1992 - May 22, 2009, Oct 23, 2014 - current "Lifting up the Cross to the waiting lost" - Petra \| John 3:16

07-16-2008, 01:39 PM	#38
Damien_Azreal Super Moderator	Re: From the archives, look what I found! I didn't bid on either, didn't think I would be able to afford them. Stopped watching the sales actually. I need to check and see how much the first one went for. __________________ Monolith Fanboy since 1997 Upcoming Anticipated Games: Doom, Shadow Warrior 2, Mafia III, DisHonored 2, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

07-16-2008, 03:58 PM	#39
peoplessi	Re: From the archives, look what I found! Well, I'm from Finland, it would be much of use for me to bid __________________ Duke Nukem Forever Who am I to judge?