Superman: Man of Steel

Originally Posted by Kalki

So the news of "the sequel" has rippled through mainstream media for days. My local newspaper had mentioned it on the front page and they don't talk about movies that way. So what do you guys think? Will it work? I am totally excited. Hope they don't mess it up.

Announcement videos:
http://youtu.be/m05YaiPnRHU / http://youtu.be/K-iGPHD1RBE

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...psddf8a562.jpg

Sure, why not?

Seems as good a starting point for the Justice League film-franchise as any other; get the two most popular characters out of all of them together and then perhaps work your way up adding more characters down the line.

Here's an interesting question: who do you think will get more screen-time in this project? Superman or Batman?

Considering that, on average, Batman, in his full costume and doing Batmansy-superheroey-stuff, hasn't been featured that much on screen in each of the Nolan's Knights while the opposite is true of Man of Steel, I would find it highly ironic if Batman was then to dominate the screen in the MoS sequel.

And don't think the bean-counters at WB/DC wouldn't consider this. You know they would.

[Thief]

The main thing now is who will play Bruce Wayne/Batman. I've read in the past that Bale has said he won't be reprising the role, so does that mean Joseph Gordon-Levitt... someone else?

[Damien_Azreal]

Personally... I'm against bringing Batman into the second Superman film.

I know DC is desperate to start their "expanded universe" like what Marvel is doing. But I feel Superman still needs more time to properly develop. I love Man of Steel, but... there's still a TON of stuff to be dealt with and really fleshed out.

Bringing in another DC hero, and specially one so huge as Batman... so quickly... seems way too fast.
And personally, this is why I'm not a fan of the whole "Justice League"... and why I didn't like The Avengers.
I loved Nolan's Batman because it grounded the character in reality. While it had it's moments of sc-fi fantasy, it still kept it focused in more of a "real world" Batman.
The Justice League... is a collection of (mostly) aliens with a human in a black costume with a utility belt.

It's the same with The Avengers. I loved the first Iron Man. Because, while the tech was fantastical the reality, it still felt grounded in a "realisticish" world. And, The Avengers took away from that... something I felt the first film really nailed in, by bringing in ancient gods, aliens and super soldiers.

So, yeah, I like my "superheroes" to be more real than fantasy. The only ones outside of Batman and Ironman I actually like are Wolverine, Deadpool and Spider-Man. And those ones are the only ones that I feel "work" with their super-human abilities.

[Kalki]

Originally Posted by hellchicken

Here's an interesting question: who do you think will get more screen-time in this project? Superman or Batman?

Considering that, on average, Batman, in his full costume and doing Batmansy-superheroey-stuff, hasn't been featured that much on screen in each of the Nolan's Knights while the opposite is true of Man of Steel, I would find it highly ironic if Batman was then to dominate the screen in the MoS sequel.

And don't think the bean-counters at WB/DC wouldn't consider this. You know they would.

I believe they'll get equal treatment. Makes sense in a way as those characters learn from one another. And Batman's limited screen time in the Nolan films is an interesting point of comparison. Zack Snyder's unrestrained approach to action (and using that particular quote in their announcement) makes me think we'll be seeing a lot more of Batman here.

Originally Posted by Thief

The main thing now is who will play Bruce Wayne/Batman. I've read in the past that Bale has said he won't be reprising the role, so does that mean Joseph Gordon-Levitt... someone else?

Someone else. I hope this has nothing to do with Nolan's trilogy. That story is all wrapped up.

Originally Posted by Damien_Azreal

Personally... I'm against bringing Batman into the second Superman film.

I know DC is desperate to start their "expanded universe" like what Marvel is doing. But I feel Superman still needs more time to properly develop. I love Man of Steel, but... there's still a TON of stuff to be dealt with and really fleshed out.

Bringing in another DC hero, and specially one so huge as Batman... so quickly... seems way too fast.

Agreed. My preferred approach would have a Superman trilogy separate from a World's Finest trilogy (with Batman and Superman) which in turn would be separate from a Justice League trilogy. Nine movies (or more if the new Batman, Flash, etc. all get their own movies going) encompassing all of the DC Universe. But so far they're trying to go big, making each movie an event rather than a small piece in a larger plan. Riskier strategy than Marvel's.

And personally, this is why I'm not a fan of the whole "Justice League"... and why I didn't like The Avengers.
I loved Nolan's Batman because it grounded the character in reality. While it had it's moments of sc-fi fantasy, it still kept it focused in more of a "real world" Batman.
The Justice League... is a collection of (mostly) aliens with a human in a black costume with a utility belt.

It's the same with The Avengers. I loved the first Iron Man. Because, while the tech was fantastical the reality, it still felt grounded in a "realisticish" world. And, The Avengers took away from that... something I felt the first film really nailed in, by bringing in ancient gods, aliens and super soldiers.

So, yeah, I like my "superheroes" to be more real than fantasy. The only ones outside of Batman and Ironman I actually like are Wolverine, Deadpool and Spider-Man. And those ones are the only ones that I feel "work" with their super-human abilities.

I didn't like The Amazing Spider-Man because it got too fantastic. The science didn't gel with me. Raimi's films somehow managed to tone that down by keeping the focus on the character.

The Avengers had appeal because the Gods, super soldiers and rage monsters were established in previous films and brought those character arcs with them. The movie didn't burden itself by giving the explanations of their respective powers too much weight. Instead it put the focus on the friction between those various personalities and how they come together as a team. If you want that friends with friction dynamic in the DCverse, you don't have to look far from Batman/Superman.

Batman has a strong place as the brains/tactician in the Justice League. In comparison, Bale's Batman was limited to Nolan's realism. Exaggerating Batman from that baseline would at most bring him to a Tony Stark level, who could stand toe to toe with a God, so it's not too much of a stretch.

[crunchy superman]

Originally Posted by Kalki

Batman has a strong place as the brains/tactician in the Justice League. In comparison, Bale's Batman was limited to Nolan's realism.

That's my only real problem with all of this. The Batman that would be needed to work in JL does not at all resemble Nolan's Batman.

[Damien_Azreal]

DC has already said that Nolan's Batman isn't part of their expanded universe.
And I for one am glad.

[crunchy superman]

Originally Posted by Damien_Azreal

DC has already said that Nolan's Batman isn't part of their expanded universe.
And I for one am glad.

Ah, well there ya go. Good. I'm happy to leave Nolan's films as an entity unto themselves.

[Damien_Azreal]

I love Nolan's trilogy. And I'm glad as well. I don't want it associated with the rest of the DC universe.

[FullMetalJacket]

Personally, I'm excited. This article here outlines some intriguing concerns, though: http://www.superherohype.com/feature...anbatman-movie

[Kalki]

Ben Affleck confirmed for Batman

https://twitter.com/ThatKevinSmith/s...16582915215360

Errr, why?

Now, I don't dislike Ben Affleck as an actor, I just can't picture him in that role at all. All I see is him as Daredevil and me trying to gouge my own eyes out.

[crunchy superman]

I'm gonna withhold my outrage for the moment as I remember a few WTF casting moments Batman has had over the years that ended up working out fine.

[Kalki]

Originally Posted by crunchy superman

I'm gonna withhold my outrage for the moment as I remember a few WTF casting moments Batman has had over the years that ended up working out fine.

This.

I rewatched Daredevil last night and the acting wasn't great. Haven't seen any of his recent films but I'm hoping he's matured as an actor.

[Damien_Azreal]

I don't hold him accountable for Daredevil.
Honestly... that movie has a TON of problems. And acting is probably the least of them.

Ben is a great actor in the right roles.
Batman, I don't see being the "right" role though. I mean yes, it's hard to really tell with nothing to go by.
But, it's going to be incredibly difficult to follow up the Nolan trilogy.

[Kalki]

Originally Posted by Damien_Azreal

Batman, I don't see being the "right" role though. I mean yes, it's hard to really tell with nothing to go by.
But, it's going to be incredibly difficult to follow up the Nolan trilogy.

Have a fake trailer then: http://youtu.be/U4U4he3GgC4

[Damien_Azreal]

Yeah, saw that earlier. It actually looks really cool. Just makes me want to rewatch Breaking Bad though.

[Kalki]

Honest Trailers - Man of Steel

[Thief]

I look forward to every new Honest Trailer, even for movies I haven't seen.
Some of them are absolutely hysterical, and some of the lines he says by request at the end catch me completely off guard and have me laughing my ass off too. I remember him saying, "One does not simply walk into Mordor." and I nearly shit. Normally the line pops up on screen just before he says it, so you know it's coming, but I was looking elsewhere when he said it...a grand chuckle indeed.

[Kalki]

http://i.imgur.com/3hRU6px.jpg

[FullMetalJacket]

Honestly, I like it. I'm warming up to the "Batfleck" depiction, despite the rage and hate that's flying all over the internet.

I also enjoyed Man of Steel, and it will be interesting to see Snyder's depiction of Batman. The good thing is, this movie won't waste time re-establishing Batman's origin story. He's already an established crimefighter, and might actually serve in some type of mentorship role for Superman.

[Damien_Azreal]

I love the suit. Other then the ears being so small, but since they took obvious influence from Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns... the small ears make sense.

But... I'm still completely against this movie. To me, Superman needs another film on his own. There's still a LOT of room for further development to his character and what drives him.
But nope. DC want a "sure thing"... which to them Man of Steel wasn't. Which is why the marketed it so heavily on "Produced by Christopher Nolan"...
So, now they are forcing in Batman. And in a desperate attempt to catch up to Marvel... shoving in Wonder Woman, Knightwing, Cyborg... and about four other "unnamed" characters.

And then just... awful casting for Lex Luthor.