Duke seems to be forgotten...

[Caine]

yeah really, many haters and still conspiracy believers etc.
but people are concentrated on Call of duty, god of war, guitar hero and other games mostly for consoles, duke wouldnt be the same anymore and the time is over i guess. the best is to accept him as an old hero like Lo Wang, Caleb and others.

3drealms killed him, especially george broussard.

he got enough money i guess for a nice life for his own, he doesnt give any respect to the fans etc. if it will be released somehow i think we will be disappointed, it will be different or not the hype worthy (it cannot be worthy the hype at all with all his big talk).

people (like me) are mostly angry at this whole thing and also laugh that it's true in the end that everything was a big joke. who can respect them/geoge at all now?

the most attention would have gotten duke nearly before or at the e3 but reality took over and showed that the whole situation is no big marketing technique and there is just little hope left and if he will be completed then by another team, later and so on.

guess people are still naive and follow people who can only big talk..........

[Lt.Havoc]

Pardon? Duke and forgotten? Did you even read all the comments in the forums, the articels in the Game Magazines, the countless of posts in forums all over the net etc.? If anything, this whole thing bought a lot of attantion to Duke and I still recall Duke Nukem Trilogy being made and that the IP is still there.

So, no, as I said many times, even if we wont see DNF, we will still see Duke games in the future because the IP is still very alive.

I mean, Shadow Warrior only got one single game and Blood got 2 games, yet there is a cummunity around it that still rembers those games and plays them. Hell, Blood gets a remake with the Quake 3 engine being made by fans, called Dead Renokcing.

Somone recently relased Duke Nukem as a playble charachter for Mugen, a 2D figting game negine where you can build your own fighting games with litte to no effort.

Willam Gee is working on WG Realms 2 and people still work on the HRP as well as Duke Plus and a new mod project for DN3D was just accounted.

"The rumors of my death are highly exaggerated"- Mark Twian

"Those said being dead, live longer" German saying.

Maybe Duke is dead for you, but he isnt for me. I simply reject your reality and invoke my own.

[Midd]

wow that is so amazingly true mate, couldnt have put it better myself.

I remember my first experience with shadow warrior which later lead me to Duke nukem was when i was around 9 years old, my girldfriends dad loved sci fi stuff and i will always remember it as one of the first few games that really got me interested in gaming, to me duke isnt dead, he will always be one of the best characters iv ever come across, im just waiting for the day that duke is brought back to us.

You cant kill a legend.

[Caine]

sure you cannot kill a legend but a legend wont be the same mostly, check all the old hollywoodheores and remakes they do now.

and the people on the forums are mostly the same 20 guys...

[Spardanian]

Dude, my english is bad and Im trying not to post allways, but I want to post here very much, Im not stupid by the way

1. This whole thing(12years thing, take two sues 3DR, 3DR were just wasting T2 money and not working) makes Duke Nukem more popular.

2. Everybody now know about Duke Nukem Forever, but not much about Duke Nukem 3D. My friends who got PC later (Im from Lithuania it was very low economy country) doesn't know about Duke Nukem 3D, but they know about Duke Nukem Forever, they think that it had to be the best game ever made, but game makers (3DR(they even don't know 3DR)) are too lazy.

3. I think that DNF if it will be released will be a very good game, but everybody will expect more, cause Duke Nukem Forever was under development for 12 years and it have to be like, I don't know... All world games quality in one? My opinion is that game would be very good, but most of people will rate it very bad, but maybe still play it.

4. DNF (again if it will be released) will be more popular (and I think better :P) then DN3D and it will last for long, because no matter how good or crappy it will be, everyone on the world wants to try it. EVERYBODY.

[jet jaguar 2.0]

Anyone remember Howard Stern when he was on terrestrial radio? Anyone remember the last time Stern's name was mentioned on the news since he went on satellite? The Duke Nukem franchise reminds me of the spiral towards irrelevence that Stern has long since slipped into. I thought when the news hit we'd see a massive amount of publicity on gaming sites but the closure of 3DR barely earned more than a day's worth of headlines...actually I don't remember it getting much attention at all. Sad really.

[Lt.Havoc]

You compare Duke Nukem with Howard Stern? I dont even know who the **** Howard Stern is and you know why, because he may have been big in the USA, but not in Europe. Duke nukem on the otherhand is know worldwide, so you cant really compare those 2.

As for the headlines: All major gaming magazines actually reported it here in germany and there ere forums and blogs full of comments. The thing is that there isnt currently much to report about after that, so what did you epxected? Right now, no one knows the future of both 3DR and DNF and neither 3DR nor Take 2 did said anything and I dont expect them to say anything till the lawsuit finally started full cycle or is done.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Lt.Havoc

So, no, as I said many times, even if we wont see DNF, we will still see Duke games in the future because the IP is still very alive.

Maybe... but the simple truth is this: Most people see Duke as a joke. Even when D3D was big, he was seen as a characature, a cartoon.. not a real character. You guys are fans and there's nothing wrong with that. But most gamers just don't care that much. I can't help but wonder if a lot of the reverance you're assigning to Duke isn't out of nostalgia. Most of us out here gave up on Duke a long time ago.

For you, I do hope there are more good games. Just don't expect a cardboard cutout like Duke to complete with games that have more complex characters.

[Audiothor]

Originally Posted by That Guy

Just don't expect a cardboard cutout like Duke to complete with games that have more complex characters.

I thought that the lack of depth to his character was the big part of his appeal....

That's what made it fun!

[TonyPessimist]

Originally Posted by Caine

and the people on the forums are mostly the same 20 guys...

priceless

[jet jaguar 2.0]

Originally Posted by Lt.Havoc

You compare Duke Nukem with Howard Stern? I dont even know who the **** Howard Stern is and you know why, because he may have been big in the USA, but not in Europe. Duke nukem on the otherhand is know worldwide, so you cant really compare those 2.

As for the headlines: All major gaming magazines actually reported it here in germany and there ere forums and blogs full of comments. The thing is that there isnt currently much to report about after that, so what did you epxected? Right now, no one knows the future of both 3DR and DNF and neither 3DR nor Take 2 did said anything and I dont expect them to say anything till the lawsuit finally started full cycle or is done.

Well then obviously my example can't apply to you! Hell, I could use other examples but the same thing applies. Besides forgettable 3rd party games the Duke Nukem franchise has NOTHING to introduce itself to new gamers. Yeah the major sites reported it. Nothing more than a blurb or obituary though. No uproar, no WTF-could've-happened stories. Even they're tired of the DNF fiasco and can't be bothered with interviewing 3DR.

The point the OP made is valid. Duke is fading from the public's eye. You tout that there's still a community around Duke but there's still a community that supports the Atari Lynx. Pockets of home grown support do not equal mainstream awareness. Crystal Dynamics made a series of great Tomb Raider games in an attempt to bring back that franchise and failed. What makes you think a DNF game that has been a joke for the past decade will succeed? The same blind faith you and others put into 3DR?

[Jeffpiatt]

3dr had one way to ensure every game would not be rushed and include all features intended. the "when it's done" approach. Since the managment of Apogee were programmers no game had a set date to come out. DNF seemed to suffer from an ADD with the staff switching to basically every shiny new advanced tech to make the game it delayed the game too much for the more rigid publishers it seems that take two told 3dr to finish what they had by a certain date and apogee decided to shutdown 3dr insted of compromising on quality. we all know apogee will not put any of there logos on an sub par game.

[DarkShadows]

I remember when I played the Nintendo 64 version when I was about 12. I didn't even hear about Duke Nukem Forever until sometime in late 2007.

3DR was a big letdown for the Duke fans, because of the last-minute changes and complete overhauls to everything they worked on.

Duke is now old news and even if DNF sees the light, people will be saying "What's Duke Nukem Forever?" or "Who's Duke Nukem?".

If George wouldn't of made the engine switch and kept on in May of '97 despite of the Quake II engine being out-dated, 3DR wouldn't be where it is today, selling old titles with DOSBox attached to it.

[Lt.Havoc]

I disagree, I say that people will buy DNF, regadless of what happen, because they are coruois if it was owrth the wait or not. Rember, negatvie advertisment is still advertisment. If anything brings peoples attention, then its controversy and drama around a product. DNF surrounds lots of controversy and I think a lot of people are going "Well, I want to know what all that fuss was about, I am going to buy it!"

Yup, dosent sound rational, but who says we humans are rational? I mean, some really bad horror flicks only became cult and made sales till this day because there was controversy around it.

[DarkShadows]

Originally Posted by Lt.Havoc

I disagree, I say that people will buy DNF, regadless of what happen, because they are coruois if it was owrth the wait or not.

So, you're saying that going through elementary, high school and graduating from college/university is worth 12 years of your life for a game that brought down a company close to being God-like in the gaming industry? Not in my book.

Originally Posted by Lt.Havoc

Yup, dosent sound rational, but who says we humans are rational? I mean, some really bad horror flicks only became cult and made sales till this day because there was controversy around it.

No gamer/person would want to see the steaming pile of shit that is Troll 2, Troll 3 or a Uwe Boll production. I'd rather take a jackhammer and destroy my entire anal cavity.

[Caine]

i think duke will sell well but perhaps not too well as gamers expect call of duty and shit like that more...... well it would be cool if not but i dont expect much from the gamers today.

[Lt.Havoc]

Now you are jumping on conclutions here. All I said is, that curiosity if anything else will drive people to buy it, regadless of what happend, maybe add some nostalgica factor to it as well.

Yes 12 years is a long time and a lot happend, but what has that to do with anything? Did you waited 12 years and actually stopped anything of what you did because you waited for DNF? I guess not, for that it was not that important, right? In the end its just a game.

About Troll: actually, Troll is so infamouse that I heard about people buying it because its so hilarious bad. As for Uwe Boll.....I do know people who like the Resident Evil movies....enough said.

But, strangely enough, I rember a game....a 2D game, that sold very well back in the da, while it was fun and controverse.....ah yes GTA! Also, dont forget Postal sold soley on the basis that it controvers, so was Carmageddon.

But, I want to point out that this time, its a little bit diffrent, this time its not the content of the game that is controverse, its what happend to the company who made it. A lot of people did saw the leaked media and while many didnt found it impressive, they gave them the whole thing the benfit of a doubt because they do not know from what time that footage is.

Also, we do not know if DNF is fun or not, all I say is that it will sell, regadless of what happend. I think that many here, who now say they would not buy it, will do it anyway.

We can discuss this over and over again and we can fill this thread with hundrets of pages with arguments and will reach nothing regading that. We can only, and only then, see who is wring and who is wrong if the game will be relased, if that will ever happen.

So, all this is speculation and I admin that you have some very good points but I will hold onto my theroy till its proofen or disproven, wihch will be diffuclut for reason we alreayd talked about.

I rember that I posted similar things in regads of another game franchise some of you may or may not know: Jagged Alliance. Back then Sir Tech went Bankrupt as well and that shortly after relaseing JA2 and JA2 sold good, even if it had outdated grahpics.

Later on the rights where bought up by Strategy First who gave the franchise in the hands of a Russian publisher. I recall that many where up in arms about that and I said, that we should at least give them a chance.

Well, its 2009 and the last JA game came out in 1999, thats also 10 years where we didnt had a new JA game and when it might come out next year (if at all), then the graphics might be outated as well.

Guess that diffrent people have the same problems.....

[Duke's New Chainsaw]

The Resident Evil movies were made by Paul W. S. Anderson.

[Lt.Havoc]

Originally Posted by Duke's New Chainsaw

The Resident Evil movies were made by Paul W. S. Anderson.

All of them? I thought the second one was made by Boll? Anyway, they sucked, but I know somone who loves stuff like that, he also gets all thos strange Japanese B-horror movies and whatnot.

[StrikerMan780]

Ok, I am gonna call bullshit on this thread, and quote what I had to say to something similar on the Duke4 Forums.

Ok, next time someone says Duke is forgotten to the new masses, that person is gonna get a hard kick in the nuts.

Get this, pretty much everyone that I have played video games with, recognized Duke right away as soon as I launched Duke3D. They'd be like "Hell yeah, Duke Nukem 3D, I love that game!"

Heh, actually, a few years ago, on the last day of school, we were allowed to pretty much do anything on the PCs there... I fired up Duke3D, and about 7 of the guys in the classroom recognized it, and were talking about the levels and their secrets n' shit. Quite something, hm?

Now, Today, I have a friend, he's 14 years old, and he owns a 360. He's really into the Evil Dead Movies/Army of Darkness, Alien, Predator, Die Hard, Terminator, Dirty Harry, you name it...

As for Music, he listens to Iron Maiden, Pink Floyd, among others. He also collects all sorts of gaming paraphernalia from the stuff like the Halo 3 Legendary edition. As for what games he plays? He plays Halo 3, Left 4 Dead, Gears of War, among other things, but, most of all, Duke Nukem 3D for XBLA.

He likes Duke3D even more than Halo 3 right now, that is saying something.

When he heard that Duke Nukem Forever might not be coming out, he was quite upset. He was looking forward to it...

[Caine]

better kick the persons responsible for the duke disaster in the nu**.

when i read all over the net "WOW LOOK AT THE GRAPHICS, best gameplay and so on" at call of duty etc. im loosing confidence in the new generation of gamers.

[crunchy superman]

Originally Posted by Duke's New Chainsaw

The Resident Evil movies were made by Paul W. S. Anderson.

Alexander Witt did the second one and Russell Mulcahy directed the third.

[Caine]

Originally Posted by crunchy superman

Alexander Witt did the second one and Russell Mulcahy directed the third.

all resident evil movies were a joke, only liked the soundtrack of the first one, but the instrumentals.

[crunchy superman]

^ Aw, c'mon - they were good, wholesome zombie fun!

[prophecy holder]

Originally Posted by crunchy superman

^ Aw, c'mon - they were good, wholesome zombie fun!

Hey remember in the games where you stopped a bunch of crows using your telekenitic powers?