Will Duke ever get back on top? - Page 3

Airtraffic · 12-20-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MusicallyInspired

Multiplayer is overrated. Single player is where it's at. Always has been.

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Originally Posted by hell-angel

I agree with that MI (MusicallyInspired

)

So says 2 of many guys who got their ass whooped on a continuous base.

Single player is great but after 10 hours it's done, there is nothing like setting up a PW server for 5-6 of your buddys to frag each other for hours.

I for one will be putting a dedicated 3DR server up just for board members.

MusicallyInspired · 12-20-2007, 06:40 PM

I enjoy multiplayer (when it's not so easy to die). But I still say the main focus of FPS's is SP mode. MP gets boring because it's the same old thing. I look at FPS's as movies. Movies are the same thing every time but yet we buy them and watch them over and over again. I look at games as interactive movies. So experiencing the story means more to me than mindlessly fragging people I don't know across the globe. MP does have its place, yes. And can be fun. But SP is still where its at.

Fluke · 12-20-2007, 07:02 PM

MP is gonna do a lot more for this game than SP, imo. I'll be surprised if Duke even has more than 10 hours single player. I'm not saying that in a negative way. I just think if DNF was about 'SP only' then they would have outputted this way long ago.

Airtraffic · 12-20-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluke

MP is gonna do a lot more for this game than SP, imo. I'll be surprised if Duke even has more than 10 hours single player. I'm not saying that in a negative way. I just think if DNF was about 'SP only' then they would have outputted this way long ago.

I agree and I'll add that if Duke was SP only it would lose at least half of it sales, right now MP is a big reason games aren't shared and put on torrents, it's far to easy to hack a SP only game but as HL2 proved it incredibly tough to play a cracked version online.

conantheking · 12-20-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by peoplessi

Highly depends on the multiplayer side of things doesn't it?

No game lasts for long without a good multiplayer, that is a fact.

Ocarina of time, Final Fantasy Vii and Dues Ex say otherwise.
But are you talking about game length or legacy?

conantheking · 12-20-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rebelphoenix

The servers keep crashing. If that ain't on top I don't know what is. I talked to scotty and he said he's given the server all she's got, but she canna take no moar!

Hey, I swear you are the dude from the 2k Bioshock forums.

Back to the topic, I would like MP but it is not a must, you don't need multi player for a great experience. But I would definatley spend hours on it (the MP).

Xellos · 12-21-2007, 03:39 AM

Honestly, duke3D deathmatch was amazing. Fast paced, fun, balanced, even, hell even had a small completive community, leagues etc.

As a fan of Fast Paced Death Match style FPS. I really REALLY hope 3DRealms carried that tradition.

With UT3 bombing currently, Quake3 dead. And most of the counterparts also becoming extinct I only hope that Duke Forever brings fast paced DM/CTF/TDM style back to the mainstream.

PS. I find COD4, and Halo3 fun. But too slow for taste.

hell-angel · 12-21-2007, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Airtraffic

So says 2 of many guys who got their ass whooped on a continuous base.

Uhm, I was a pretty descent UT2003 player thank you. I did some asswhooping my self regularly.

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Single player is great but after 10 hours it's done, there is nothing like setting up a PW server for 5-6 of your buddys to frag each other for hours.

Although that is nice, I disagree. I have been replaying D3D for example so much that I knew every detail about every level. I could walk through it blindly and on the highest setting (this of course not blindly

). I expect the same will be through for DNF. Of course, it will be smaller then D3D but that is the price of high technology.

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I for one will be putting a dedicated 3DR server up just for board members.

Good, so I can whoop your ass

doomsdayman · 12-21-2007, 12:54 PM

CTF and the flags are babe's ROFL
Online Duke Nukem 3D ONLINE SUCKED SOO BADLY TOOOOOOOOOOOOO FAST TOO SHORT LVL AND SOME TIMES MONSTER IN IT COOP ok only when they make the lvls harder for coop and what is about Half life DNF is running on just normal half life 2 requiris steam I HATE STEAM 6 bucks for DM and 19'99 for garrys mod 10

rockmanekuzu8 · 12-21-2007, 03:23 PM

I'm sorry guys but are you kidding they showed this little trailer teaser and it easily got back on IGN and GAMESPOT's Top 10 Game list and a lot of people are believing in this game's return!! Next year this game will rule for first place for a long time.

Hopefully from the looks the game is going to ROCK in popularity, gameplay, multiplayer, graphics, interactivity, etc, like anything we've seen!!

HazMat · 12-21-2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rockmanekuzu8

I'm sorry guys but are you kidding they showed this little trailer teaser and it easily got back on IGN and GAMESPOT's Top 10 Game list and a lot of people are believing in this game's return!! Next year this game will rule for first place for a long time.

Hopefully from the looks the game is going to ROCK in popularity, gameplay, multiplayer, graphics, interactivity, etc, like anything we've seen!!

Yes I agree. The first little teaser almost melted the net. It wasnt too long ago that we herd that it is going to start, the floodgates will open and people will be racing over here to 3dr to see whats up. Well dudes I think that just freaking happened and holy shit, I am psyched

Zombie_Boy · 12-22-2007, 01:29 AM

A death-match mode similar to battlefield, but instead of capturing command points.. you capture bars and strip-clubs where the babes hang out! :P

doomsdayman · 12-23-2007, 11:11 AM

HAHAHAHAHHAH NO FU***** WAY GAMES LIKE HALO 3 CRYSIS HALF-LIFE 2 MASS EFFECT WORLD IN CONFLICT ASSASINS CREED SUPREME COMMANDER C&C OK C&C IS NOW RUNNING BAD and i mean VERY BAD and lots more this game whas fun in 2004 but now we want just total action no babes with 50 cm breasts

and multyplayer not a change and i mean NOT A CHANGE i like Prey better DN IS OLD TOO OLD THAT GUY IS DEAD OK HE DIED ON VACTION TOO MUTCH BABES AND TOO OLD BUT hell if it has lots of mini games sure i will buy it

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Originally Posted by rockmanekuzu8

I'm sorry guys but are you kidding they showed this little trailer teaser and it easily got back on IGN and GAMESPOT's Top 10 Game list and a lot of people are believing in this game's return!! Next year this game will rule for first place for a long time.

Hopefully from the looks the game is going to ROCK in popularity, gameplay, multiplayer, graphics, interactivity, etc, like anything we've seen!!

EmperorZorn · 12-23-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by doomsdayman

HAHAHAHAHHAH NO FU***** WAY GAMES LIKE HALO 3 CRYSIS HALF-LIFE 2 MASS EFFECT WORLD IN CONFLICT ASSASINS CREED SUPREME COMMANDER C&C OK C&C IS NOW RUNNING BAD and i mean VERY BAD and lots more this game whas fun in 2004 but now we want just total action no babes with 50 cm breasts

and multyplayer not a change and i mean NOT A CHANGE i like Prey better DN IS OLD TOO OLD THAT GUY IS DEAD OK HE DIED ON VACTION TOO MUTCH BABES AND TOO OLD BUT hell if it has lots of mini games sure i will buy it

What...just happened... ?
It felt like someone put the entire alphabet into a bag and made it bang with his hand...

Lt.Havoc · 12-23-2007, 01:50 PM

Looks like another troll to me......

EmperorZorn · 12-23-2007, 03:48 PM

Ah well....I think DNF will be on top for quite some time,
the question is just for how long that will be the case.

A Coop mode would be a definate plus,
because many PC games nowadays lack Coop modes.
I just dont get why George decided to keep this very strong point of DN3D
out in the sequel.
After all the PC has to be THE platform for multiplayer online gaming.
Personally I would love to play DNF on the highest difficulty with friends
in a Coop mode.

Then again Dukematch is also a great thing to play with your friends.

Another thing that DNF will need to stay on the top is good modding tools
and an easy but excellent level editor.
This and the community maps kept DN3D alive and kicking for a looooong time.

(how I loved the Build editor by Ken Silverman)

Access · 12-25-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Airtraffic

There was a poll on shack a couple of years ago and 77% of action gamers wouldn't buy a game if it didn't have MP.

I am one of those.

What the hell is shack? The people who talk about video games online are about 1- 2% of the overall market of people who go into GAME or EB to purchase a game.

If you go to a website and talk about games, your very much in the minority in general and your opinion is not quite relevant to the overall market (myself included).

So any poll about market trends found on a gaming website will of course be slanted. Hell even look at this thread, not even all hard core gamers like multiplayer.

Although in my opinion if I wanted any Multi-player it would be Coop.

JimBravura · 12-25-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by EmperorZorn

Another thing that DNF will need to stay on the top is good modding tools
and an easy but excellent level editor.
This and the community maps kept DN3D alive and kicking for a looooong time.

(how I loved the Build editor by Ken Silverman)

If we can somehow challenge Half-Life 2/Source's position on the modar (Mod radar

) we may be able to sustain the life for at least 5 years after the release.

December Man · 12-28-2007, 05:10 PM

MP is an important part of any action game IMO. Especially a badass action game like DNF

Plus, MP does increase the life of the game.

KaiHanshen · 02-22-2008, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by December Man

MP is an important part of any action game IMO. Especially a badass action game like DNF

Plus, MP does increase the life of the game

Still bitching, but now with these amazing words of truth, too.

Damien from omen · 02-22-2008, 02:20 AM

It might be all fine and dandy that us, the Duke fans don't need multiplayer. But the game has to appeal to other people too, not just the small minority of us. I know many people who won't play games without multiplayer.

In my opinion, it certainly won't grab the top spot unless it does something revolutionary like Duke Nukem 3D did.

foleyben · 02-24-2008, 07:24 AM

Duke is always on top...just ask any of the ladies.

madhatter man · 02-27-2008, 03:14 PM

Its multiplayer and mods is what keeps a game alive for so long. (Doom, Half-life, Duke Nukem, just a few examples), a kick ass single player can only last the average gamer 2-3 times before repitition sets in and your bored to death.

02-27-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by madhatter man

Its multiplayer and mods is what keeps a game alive for so long. (Doom, Half-life, Duke Nukem, just a few examples), a kick ass single player can only last the average gamer 2-3 times before repitition sets in and your bored to death.

What he said.

And while we're at mods, which was the last FPS (except HL2) that had a massive mod-community behind it? Does anyone else feel like mods are slowly dying?

Ramen4ever · 02-27-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hellchicken

What he said.

And while we're at mods, which was the last game (except HL2) that had a massive mod-community behind it? Does anyone else feel like mods are slowly dying?

Oblivion and Morrowind before it. They have MASSIVE mod-communities.
In fact most RPG games have big mod communities.
It all depends on the modifying potential of a game, certain games are better for total conversions then others. If theres a program designed to help modders then usually there will be a lot more people modding. This also applies to making maps, just look at Starcraft.

02-27-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramen4ever

Oblivion and Morrowind before it. They have MASSIVE mod-communities.
In fact most RPG games have big mod communities.
It all depends on the modifying potential of a game, certain games are better for total conversions then others. If theres a program designed to help modders then usually there will be a lot more people modding. This also applies to making maps, just look at Starcraft.

Meant FPS games, don't care about RPGs. No offense.

Edited original post.

Hurm.

Ramen4ever · 02-27-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hellchicken

Meant FPS games, don't care about RPGs. No offense.

Edited original post.
Hurrrm.

I see

Well I think you answered yourself, FPS.. theres very little modding potential. User maps.. thats the best we can hope for.

evanazzo · 02-27-2008, 07:24 PM

Doom 3 had some mods but they were minor. flashlight attached to gun, more gore, etc etc

rogerwilco · 02-27-2008, 08:12 PM

max payne 1&2 had some cool mods

LarsBM · 02-28-2008, 03:41 AM

To be brutally honest (the only honest I know

) I dont really care if DNF has a MP mode at all! The singleplayer is imo what made Duke Nukem 3D what it was. Sure dukematching was fun and I still do it from time to time, but the singleplayer... Man I've been through it so many times and I still laugh alot from it.

But then again 3D realms probably have some neat ideas how to get DNFMP to kick ass on a divine level, so it will probably rock. All I'm saying is that I would be perfectly content with only a singleplayer mode.

Malgon · 03-03-2008, 03:14 AM

I'm not a multiplayer guy, but it does seem to be important to many gamers. Look at what id did with D3, and they even said that singleplayer was their focus (just like DNF) and it still seemed to get hammered hard. We'll have to see what kinds of things 3DRealms are doing on that front.

Parkar · 03-03-2008, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramen4ever

I see

Well I think you answered yourself, FPS.. theres very little modding potential. User maps.. thats the best we can hope for.

What? Are there any games that is more modfriendly then FPS games? I mean modding quake (I count hl2 in this group) and unreal based games you could create pretty much anything. I have yet to see any RPG game turned into a racing or puzzle game anyway.

evanazzo · 03-03-2008, 06:14 AM

The Sims and Need For Speed = easy to mod

Minty · 03-03-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by evanazzo

The Sims and Need For Speed = easy to mod

Very easy, every single Sims 2 expansion is just a mod on Sims 2, same for the NFS games

Parkar · 03-03-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by evanazzo

The Sims and Need For Speed = easy to mod

Both of which needs 3rd part hacks to even be moddable. There is also no ability to add any kind of new functionality to any of them AFAIK.

With mod friendly I mean easy to use tools for importing new assets and flexibility with what you can do. Basically if you can't build your own assets without hacks and there is no source code to allow actually changing how stuff works then it's not very mod friendly if you ask me.

03-06-2008, 06:53 PM

Reason for me directing the discussion at mods is the hope that DNF multiplayer will provide gamer with classic visceral gameplay and mod-friendly architecture, like Quake, Unreal and HL did back in the day. *Hunh*
Really looking forward to DNF Dukematch, but mods would make experience so much sweeter.

No modding potential in FPS?? *cough* Team-Fortress *cough* Counterstrike *cough*

*Hurm*

jagguar20 · 03-06-2008, 07:19 PM

I think that it won't beat many other MP games, but it will surely be a blast!

madhatter man · 03-09-2008, 10:04 AM

Lets hope its not just Deathmatch and Team deathmatch and capture the babe. Something new and creative goes a long way to a products life.

Spardanian · 03-10-2008, 05:33 PM

I think maybe there can be a new modification for Duke Nukem Forever. In this modification can be more "heroes" like Shadow Warrior, Redneck and more heroes from 3DR games. This how 3DR can make team vs team game possible, becouse if we will fight 5 dukes vs 5 dukes it will be not fun... Becouse how you can kill yourself

.

If you will ask me "Can DNF get back to tops" . I can say "Yes, it have a chance".

mental stampede · 03-10-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hellchicken

What he said.

And while we're at mods, which was the last FPS (except HL2) that had a massive mod-community behind it? Does anyone else feel like mods are slowly dying?

Postal 2.

Checkout the fan-made Mods A Week in Paradise and Eternal Damnation.

03-06-2008, 06:53 PM	#116
hellchicken Guest	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? Reason for me directing the discussion at mods is the hope that DNF multiplayer will provide gamer with classic visceral gameplay and mod-friendly architecture, like Quake, Unreal and HL did back in the day. Hunh Really looking forward to DNF Dukematch, but mods would make experience so much sweeter. No modding potential in FPS?? cough Team-Fortress cough Counterstrike cough Hurm

12-20-2007, 06:40 PM	#82
MusicallyInspired	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? I enjoy multiplayer (when it's not so easy to die). But I still say the main focus of FPS's is SP mode. MP gets boring because it's the same old thing. I look at FPS's as movies. Movies are the same thing every time but yet we buy them and watch them over and over again. I look at games as interactive movies. So experiencing the story means more to me than mindlessly fragging people I don't know across the globe. MP does have its place, yes. And can be fun. But SP is still where its at. __________________ Roland SC-55 Music Packs Website - MediaFire mirror for Duke3D expansions More SC-55 music packs coming soon...

12-20-2007, 07:02 PM	#83
Fluke	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? MP is gonna do a lot more for this game than SP, imo. I'll be surprised if Duke even has more than 10 hours single player. I'm not saying that in a negative way. I just think if DNF was about 'SP only' then they would have outputted this way long ago.

12-21-2007, 03:39 AM	#87
Xellos	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? Honestly, duke3D deathmatch was amazing. Fast paced, fun, balanced, even, hell even had a small completive community, leagues etc. As a fan of Fast Paced Death Match style FPS. I really REALLY hope 3DRealms carried that tradition. With UT3 bombing currently, Quake3 dead. And most of the counterparts also becoming extinct I only hope that Duke Forever brings fast paced DM/CTF/TDM style back to the mainstream. PS. I find COD4, and Halo3 fun. But too slow for taste.

12-21-2007, 12:54 PM	#89
doomsdayman	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? CTF and the flags are babe's ROFL Online Duke Nukem 3D ONLINE SUCKED SOO BADLY TOOOOOOOOOOOOO FAST TOO SHORT LVL AND SOME TIMES MONSTER IN IT COOP ok only when they make the lvls harder for coop and what is about Half life DNF is running on just normal half life 2 requiris steam I HATE STEAM 6 bucks for DM and 19'99 for garrys mod 10

12-21-2007, 03:23 PM	#90
rockmanekuzu8	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? I'm sorry guys but are you kidding they showed this little trailer teaser and it easily got back on IGN and GAMESPOT's Top 10 Game list and a lot of people are believing in this game's return!! Next year this game will rule for first place for a long time. Hopefully from the looks the game is going to ROCK in popularity, gameplay, multiplayer, graphics, interactivity, etc, like anything we've seen!! __________________ What can I say I'm just a God-Fearing Peace Loving Patriotic Enthusiastic Pure Hardcore True Duke Fan. Prepare to Witness the Might and Power of a REAL TRUE EPIC LEGEND!! DNF WILL ROCK YOU!! ARE YOU READY!! ALWAYS BET ON DUKE!! DUKE NUKEM FOREVER!! :) :) Last edited by rockmanekuzu8; 12-21-2007 at 03:26 PM.

12-22-2007, 01:29 AM	#92
Zombie_Boy	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? A death-match mode similar to battlefield, but instead of capturing command points.. you capture bars and strip-clubs where the babes hang out! :P

12-23-2007, 01:50 PM	#95
Lt.Havoc	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? Looks like another troll to me...... __________________ "Goverment is not the solution to our problem. Goverment IS the problem." Ronald Reagan "Go ahead, make my Day!" "Dirty" Harry Callahan

12-23-2007, 03:48 PM	#96
EmperorZorn	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? Ah well....I think DNF will be on top for quite some time, the question is just for how long that will be the case. A Coop mode would be a definate plus, because many PC games nowadays lack Coop modes. I just dont get why George decided to keep this very strong point of DN3D out in the sequel. After all the PC has to be THE platform for multiplayer online gaming. Personally I would love to play DNF on the highest difficulty with friends in a Coop mode. Then again Dukematch is also a great thing to play with your friends. Another thing that DNF will need to stay on the top is good modding tools and an easy but excellent level editor. This and the community maps kept DN3D alive and kicking for a looooong time. (how I loved the Build editor by Ken Silverman)

12-28-2007, 05:10 PM	#99
December Man	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? MP is an important part of any action game IMO. Especially a badass action game like DNF Plus, MP does increase the life of the game.

02-22-2008, 02:20 AM	#101
Damien from omen	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? It might be all fine and dandy that us, the Duke fans don't need multiplayer. But the game has to appeal to other people too, not just the small minority of us. I know many people who won't play games without multiplayer. In my opinion, it certainly won't grab the top spot unless it does something revolutionary like Duke Nukem 3D did.

02-24-2008, 07:24 AM	#102
foleyben	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? Duke is always on top...just ask any of the ladies.

02-27-2008, 03:14 PM	#103
madhatter man	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? Its multiplayer and mods is what keeps a game alive for so long. (Doom, Half-life, Duke Nukem, just a few examples), a kick ass single player can only last the average gamer 2-3 times before repitition sets in and your bored to death. Last edited by madhatter man; 02-27-2008 at 03:18 PM.

02-27-2008, 07:24 PM	#108
evanazzo	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? Doom 3 had some mods but they were minor. flashlight attached to gun, more gore, etc etc

02-27-2008, 08:12 PM	#109
rogerwilco	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? max payne 1&2 had some cool mods

02-28-2008, 03:41 AM	#110
LarsBM	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? To be brutally honest (the only honest I know ) I dont really care if DNF has a MP mode at all! The singleplayer is imo what made Duke Nukem 3D what it was. Sure dukematching was fun and I still do it from time to time, but the singleplayer... Man I've been through it so many times and I still laugh alot from it. But then again 3D realms probably have some neat ideas how to get DNFMP to kick ass on a divine level, so it will probably rock. All I'm saying is that I would be perfectly content with only a singleplayer mode. __________________ Odin could bitchslap ALL the modern gods, but in His infinite wisdom He chooses not to. "The best activities for your health are pumping and humping." - Arnold Schwarzenegger

03-03-2008, 03:14 AM	#111
Malgon	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? I'm not a multiplayer guy, but it does seem to be important to many gamers. Look at what id did with D3, and they even said that singleplayer was their focus (just like DNF) and it still seemed to get hammered hard. We'll have to see what kinds of things 3DRealms are doing on that front. __________________ -Most wanted games: Doom 4, Tomb Raider, Beyond Good and Evil 2

03-03-2008, 06:14 AM	#113
evanazzo	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? The Sims and Need For Speed = easy to mod

03-06-2008, 07:19 PM	#117
jagguar20	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? I think that it won't beat many other MP games, but it will surely be a blast!

03-09-2008, 10:04 AM	#118
madhatter man	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? Lets hope its not just Deathmatch and Team deathmatch and capture the babe. Something new and creative goes a long way to a products life.

03-10-2008, 05:33 PM	#119
Spardanian	Re: Will Duke ever get back on top? I think maybe there can be a new modification for Duke Nukem Forever. In this modification can be more "heroes" like Shadow Warrior, Redneck and more heroes from 3DR games. This how 3DR can make team vs team game possible, becouse if we will fight 5 dukes vs 5 dukes it will be not fun... Becouse how you can kill yourself . If you will ask me "Can DNF get back to tops" . I can say "Yes, it have a chance".