Will Duke ever get back on top?

[Airtraffic]

For multiplayer?

About 12 years ago everybodys favorite online deathmatch was Duke

Just checking out gamespys stats it seem crazy that ANY game could take over half-life...unreal.

HL-HL2 have 65,000 servers with 130,000 people playing right now. the next best is Battlefield 2 with a lowly 4400 servers and 10,000 players.

I hope Duke can be reborn and take the MP action back.

[Kalki]

Duke's letting the girlie games have their fun bronco ride for now. When he comes, he'll be the one on top.

Seriously, DM in HL2 is fun but that is something Duke could take back if one can match the Steam community. Team games in a Duke concept (being the one-man army theme) may not work, but they could be set in his world: CTB, EDF Vs. Aliens, etc.. I don't mind seeing mods for those. What I would like to see is interactive physics in some kind of ego-centric DukeMatch or something like last Duke standing (eliminate the unworthy Duke clones), Duke of the hill or the many fresher concepts that have been suggested here before.

[GOK]

If DNF only has death matches then I won't be interested.

Tribes made me a team player and the tactics involved in a team game add so much to my online entertainment. I'm hoping, but not hopefull. Maybe a DNF mod might do it.

[Haravikk]

Definitely need team-play, death-match can be fun, but it tends to be a lot more competitive (that or I go into all or nothing mode and don't enjoy it sometimes). Team-games are good fun.

[ryche]

I liked playin co-op with my buddies on Duke3D. I hope that at least will be an option. If not it's not going to stop me from buyin it. I think though once it comes out people who used to play Duke3D will try it buy it and share the love. Also there's new kids out there that probably haven't played the joy of Duke games so they'll probably get hooked on DNF.

[jet jaguar 2.0]

Commercial DM games still haven't come close to offering the array of weapons that DN3D brought to the table. I think DNF can still recapture the mp crowd with DM games so long as the weapons are fun to use and the levels are well designed.

[doubleR]

I personally could'nt give a rats a** about multiplay. Me thinks waiting 10 + yrs for a DM game is way overated. Give me a satisfying single player to escape into as I have time nowadays and I'm happy.

[HazMat]

If Duke just comes out then he will put a new bench mark as to where the "top" is and once again the other games will prolly copy alot of the stuff that DNF will have.

[peoplessi]

Highly depends on the multiplayer side of things doesn't it?

Originally Posted by doubleR

I personally could'nt give a rats a** about multiplay. Me thinks waiting 10 + yrs for a DM game is way overated. Give me a satisfying single player to escape into as I have time nowadays and I'm happy.

No game lasts for long without a good multiplayer, that is a fact.

[HazMat]

Do you remember the MP in Zero Hour? You could play as a spoof characters from many movies like terminators and stuff. That was way cool, and you could make them bots too if you not into the stress of playing online. If DNF takes the MP aspects from zero hour and expand it then I am sure that it will rock at the top for several months. I am pretty sure every player dont have to be a Duke but at the same time I am sure that there will be dif outfits for duke in MP. That terminator type robot from the old video will be alot of fun. The mods are going to rock with all choices of dif characters from the retail version...

[fast-1]

I am playing a mod for doom 3 last man standing with classic doom. So you could have a classic duke nukem 3d in DNF. Is duke Nukem Time to Kill and Duke Nukem Zero Hour the same game.

[madhatter man]

I usually stear away from multiplayer games because there always people who literally have no life and are to good at a game. Then there are the hackers and glitchers with the occasional ass admin. I occasionally find a good zombie server in css because playing any other type of server just gets to frustrating. As long as they have serveral different type of modes other than deathmatch and team deathmatch then im ok with it.

[HazMat]

Originally Posted by fast-1

I am playing a mod for doom 3 last man standing with classic doom. So you could have a classic duke nukem 3d in DNF. Is duke Nukem Time to Kill and Duke Nukem Zero Hour the same game.

Kinda the same but the the 64 version got way more extras. Also it was better made and more fun. So really no they are not the same. I think maybe they were entirely different games but same concept. The ultamate unlockable in the 64 version was the ability to play in the first person. however I have never even heard of anyone being able to unlock that mode. I tried for 2 mnths but never got it.

[Haravikk]

Originally Posted by ryche

I liked playin co-op with my buddies on Duke3D. I hope that at least will be an option.

Unfortunately in the FAQ it states that there will be no co-op option, I'm thinking though that that is to try and reduce disappointment if the game comes out without it. However, it doesn't necessarily mean they won't try to add it in later with a patch, or sneak it into the game before release. Heck, that comment was made a long while ago when they maybe ditched co-op to save time, could be that in one of the newer iterations they were able to put some design into how it would work so mappers can adjust accordingly.

One of my main hopes is that multiplayer will work on some of the single-player levels, or there will be slightly re-designed levels based on some of the SP maps. It is just cool to be able to play against others on a map from the single-player game. I'm slowly working on a map which should be multiplayer compatible, and it is dead fun to do the design for.

[Haravikk]

Originally Posted by MadMac

The most realistic way for Duke to get back on the multiplayer throne is for 3DR to drop the copyright and allow Duke Nukem Multiplayer Mods for other games/engines.

Wouldn't work. All you have to do is read the one-liners thread to realise that a big majority of people who play Duke games just don't get Duke.
While I recognise various elements; I doubt I could pull off a mod that feels or plays like a Duke game. Some people would make weapons too unbalanced, others would make them too balanced, some would focus too much on real weapons, others would focus too much on zany new weapons, some people would spend two years of their lives adding interactivity to the strippers and forget what they were supposed to be doing in the first place

[Colicedus]

Ya got a point there...

[Little Conqueror]

Originally Posted by peoplessi

Highly depends on the multiplayer side of things doesn't it?



No game lasts for long without a good multiplayer, that is a fact.

That's quite wrong, good sir. Duke Nukem 3D is still fun to me after all these years, what with custom maps, mods, and all, and even then, the original singleplayer game is still fun after all these years.

[Colicedus]

Personally, I don't give a licking monkey toss about MP.
That Why I hate helln00b (halo)

[vcatkiller]

I don't play multiplayer much either. The only sort of mp I care about is coop and it has already been announced that it isn't in anyways. So DNF multiplayer has lost major care factor for me already.

Still, decent mp can mean the difference between a major sales burst and then obscurity, or decent sales going on long term for a good few years. Decent mp and moddability. I'm sure 3DR haven't ignored this though...

[MannFred]

I think no game can replace the original counter-strike(hl mod).
I also think that DNF mp will become very popular , but not as popular as cs.

[Haravikk]

Originally Posted by MannFred

I think no game can replace the original counter-strike(hl mod).
I also think that DNF mp will become very popular , but not as popular as cs.

Am I the only person in the world that can't stand counter-strike? If DNF just gives us straight up deathmatch action with some basic team-modes and room to expand them (or expanded in patches) then I will be happy with multiplayer.

[Parkar]

Originally Posted by Haravikk

Am I the only person in the world that can't stand counter-strike? If DNF just gives us straight up deathmatch action with some basic team-modes and room to expand them (or expanded in patches) then I will be happy with multiplayer.

You are far from alone.

[Kristian Joensen]

You are both far from alone.

[MannFred]

To be realistic DNF couldn't in any possible way be "the" top multiplayer fps.

1. DNF requires something from the pc, not like wow or cs which both run pretty smoothly
with older computers, that's 1 reason why they are so popular.
2. Cs and wow are old games and had time to grow their player base.
3. Every1 plays cs or wow, so if you wan't to enjoy a game with your friend you'll most
likely choose either 1 of these.

Anyways I think DNF's MP will be a great expirement.

[KaiserSoze]

Will Duke ever get back on top?

The weapons alone should almost guarantee alot of people will play DNF multiplayer.

I like what Infinity Ward has done with COD 4. Experience points for winning matches, kills and kills assists that unlock other weapons, skins, challenges, etc.

I'm pretty addicted to their team deathmatch mode. I like playing as a team rather than the "old school" circle straffing deathmatching. Seems to be more strategy and a willingness to actually play well when in a "team" type multiplayer setting and Infinity Ward's experience/leveling up as a reward for playing is a great hook.

While I have no idea what 3dr is doing with their mp, the unique weapons like pipe bombs, trip mines, freeze ray, shrink gun, ripper will bring the players.

Gonna be a tough climb for DNF to get up their with the counterstrikes and battlefields in terms of players but anything is possible.

[ryche]

Well at least it will be the top single player game


least we hope ...

[Crayola]

I think the multiplayer could end up like Prey and be mediocre at best. But I kind of have the feeling that 3DRealms learned from Prey, though. You can't make the multiplayer a simple run of the mill deathmatch and expect it to be popular these days.

[madhatter man]

There is also UT3 for duke to worry about.

[ZuljinRaynor]

I'd love to say "yes."

[Sang]

Could have a gameplay mode like UT2004's "Mutant", where everybody is an alien and has to hunt down Duke. But Duke, of course, has superiour combat abilities

[Nunya_Binnez]

If DNF can break new ground to the same extent as Duke 3D, then definately. That's a really tall order though. Let me explain;

At the time of it's release, Duke 3D was the first first-person shooter with:

1) A true 3D environment, enabling all features requiring elevation like flight, flying enemies, maps with rooms directly above rooms, etc.

2) Interactive sprites like drinking fountains you could use to gain health, 'useable' toilets, etc.

3) Remote viewing - monitors allowing you to view security cameras (I'll never forget the first time I dropped a pipe-bomb by a security camera, then went back to the monitor and waited for an un-suspecting victim to come and try to pick it up.)

4) Weapons like the afore-mentioned pipe-bomb and the laser tripmines. Fun fun fun.

5) The shrink-ray!

6) Mirrors. You could see yourself, and things that were behind you. Nice.

7) Destructable (semi) environment.

I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff, but you see where I'm going. If 3DR can break ground in DNF like they did in D3D, there is no way that it won't be on top.

[avatar_58]

Originally Posted by Airtraffic

About 12 years ago everybodys favorite online deathmatch was Duke

Not really. Once Quake hit it basically took over the MP scene. I don't like Quake myself, but thats the truth.

[Servo]

I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff......
You're forgetting the fact that Duke 3D was actually released. I'm starting to wonder if DNF isn't actually vaporware....10 friggin' years in development, 10 years of 3DR apparently jerking our chains and 10 years of 3DR browbeating anyone who dares commit the egregious transgression of daring to wonder about a release date. If DNF is ever actually released, I'll buy it, but after what 3DR has put us through for a DECADE now, it had better be the greatest game ever made by man, I'm talking a near-religious playing experience.
Love...Servo

[fast-1]

What about elements like Deus Ex 1 talking to people, using extra abilities like x - ray vision or my favorite cloak ( cannot be seen by anyone ).

Maybe theres new stuff Duke could do to give a good impression.
Judging by other recent games by Duke he will be a holy hand grenade to the competition.

[ryche]

Originally Posted by Nunya_Binnez

If DNF can break new ground to the same extent as Duke 3D, then definately. That's a really tall order though. Let me explain;

At the time of it's release, Duke 3D was the first first-person shooter with:

1) A true 3D environment, enabling all features requiring elevation like flight, flying enemies, maps with rooms directly above rooms, etc.

Just to correct ya a lil...

1) From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_engine
"Room over room
Several Build engine games used a trick involving rendering multiple times to draw two sectors that were joined floor to ceiling. As building the sectors over top of each other was not really feasible due to limitations of the editor, the sectors could either be moved at map load time (which made calculations during the game simpler), or left where they were. The two best known games to use this trick were Shadow Warrior (which moved the sectors at map load time) and Blood (which did not). This trick was not a feature of the Build engine but rather a trick that was discovered by game developers."

But yeah if 3DRealms can make DNF at least as interactive as they did Duke3D they got a winner.

[rockmanekuzu8]

Are you guys kidding, DUKE NUKEM FOREVER WILL TAKE OVER SOON. Just hold on a little awhile more until next year, we will DEFINITELY see the KING take his throne back from Queafy Games like Gaylo 3 etc. There's a reason why this statement has merit: ALWAYS BET ON DUKE

[Duke's New Chainsaw]

Originally Posted by Parkar

You are far from alone.

I'm so tired of it that when I saw a picture from the game, I started to get bored.

[Airtraffic]

Originally Posted by avatar_58

Not really. Once Quake hit it basically took over the MP scene. I don't like Quake myself, but thats the truth.

Yeah your right, personly i never like Quake one bit, it was too fast IMO, almost made me dizzy, but in 96-97 when HL came out it killed all, The addons to Half-life of CS and TF destroyed all other multiplayer games.

[10Sheqel]

It's a different time now,

Back then duke had to put up a fight with doom, and a few other games which you could count with one hand.

Now days there are many great first person shooters and many different style of first person shooters : Military, Urban, Fictional etc.

I don't think it will be on top, MAYBE among The lead games since there are so many to choose from.

Originally Posted by Airtraffic

Yeah your right, personly i never like Quake one bit, it was too fast IMO, almost made me dizzy, but in 96-97 when HL came out it killed all, The addons to Half-life of CS and TF destroyed all other multiplayer games.

HL came 1998.