That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue?

Deranged · 09-03-2006, 10:08 AM

I just read about the doom reference on wikipedia, and I was hoping to comfirm whether it's true that id software sued 3D Realms for this. Thanks

Telee · 09-03-2006, 10:15 AM

Nah, they didn't. Besides, ID put Commander Keen in Doom, so 3D Realms had the right to do the same, eh?

Blade Nightflame · 09-03-2006, 10:24 AM

As far as I recall, ID Software made Commander Keen. Apogee only published it.

Telee · 09-03-2006, 10:28 AM

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As far as I recall, ID Software made Commander Keen. Apogee only published it.

NutWrench · 09-03-2006, 10:29 AM

I think 3D Realms and Id have known each other a long time and know how much they can get away with.

GodBlitZor · 09-03-2006, 11:38 AM

3DR and id are basicly brother-companies.

Phayzon · 09-03-2006, 02:05 PM

^
Yeah... I find it strange that 3DR/Apogee isnt on the "Friends of id" page...

GodBlitZor · 09-03-2006, 02:09 PM

While they are "related" I'd imagine their independant of each other. Like, all those other companies have helped id in some way or another. HumanHead is there though.

Phayzon · 09-03-2006, 02:23 PM

^
Of cource they're independant..!

Apogee helped id before though (Wolf3D, CK)...

Commando Nukem · 09-03-2006, 02:54 PM

ID software did try to take legal action, but failed. So much for brotherly love. =p

avatar_58 · 09-03-2006, 03:06 PM

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Duke comments, "That's one doomed space marine." This quote became famous after websites dedicated to Duke Nukem 3D began reporting that Doom's developer, id Software, had filed a lawsuit against Apogee Games and 3D Realms, trying to obtain an injunction to remove it. (The suit was ultimately unsuccessful.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_3d

Telee · 09-03-2006, 04:06 PM

My respect for ID dropped a bit

I don't exactly think they should sue over that... If 3D Realms said that they invented Doom Marine, then I would agree with ID.

Commando Nukem · 09-03-2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Telee

My respect for ID dropped a bit

I don't exactly think they should sue over that... If 3D Realms said that they invented Doom Marine, then I would agree with ID.

Well they failed because it falls under spoof. The art isn't a straight rip off of DOOM. ( I find it funny that the character actually looks like the DOOM 64 marine.)

Morry · 09-04-2006, 04:42 AM

That's quite laughable if they did pursue legal action over what was obviously a homage to the Doom series.

Commando Nukem · 09-04-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Morry

That's quite laughable if they did pursue legal action over what was obviously a homage to the Doom series.

More like a friendly pie in the face kind of thing. Its like A lot of horror movies do where they will have a poster or a reference to another horror movie and then have the monster show up and trash the object.

I mean we all get what it is, but its funny that ID is so uptight about DOOM. They even shutdown mods for their own games (like A doom quake II port, im still shocked that SOG and YPOD managed to release without shutdowns (YPOD is Your Path To Destruction, a quake 1 doom tc, and SOG is wolf3d quake1 and doom all rolled into one mod.) Silly game developers.

avatar_58 · 09-04-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Commando Nukem

I mean we all get what it is, but its funny that ID is so uptight about DOOM. They even shutdown mods for their own games (like A doom quake II port, im still shocked that SOG and YPOD managed to release without shutdowns (YPOD is Your Path To Destruction, a quake 1 doom tc, and SOG is wolf3d quake1 and doom all rolled into one mod.) Silly game developers.

Whats your point? So is 3DRealms, they dissallow the use of Duke Nukem or the game's likeness in any mods or fan created maps.

I happen to agree with the mods part as they can't have people one-up them for free, thats the whole point in owning an IP. However I don't think it's necessary to sue for such tiny things as a cameo or reference.

Phayzon · 09-04-2006, 06:34 PM

This is totally OT, but seeing the word 'cameo' reminded me.

In Kameo, theres no cameos

Commando Nukem · 09-04-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by avatar_58

Whats your point? So is 3DRealms, they dissallow the use of Duke Nukem or the game's likeness in any mods or fan created maps.

I happen to agree with the mods part as they can't have people one-up them for free, thats the whole point in owning an IP. However I don't think it's necessary to sue for such tiny things as a cameo or reference.

Not entirely true, 3D Realms knocks out mods for other game engines (like Half-Life and Half-Life 2. I was involved in an HL one in fact.), but if you were to make say, Commander Keen 3D tc, I doubt they'd put their foot down on ya. In fact there are plenty of Duke TCS that do cross overs that have never been shutdown.

Sang · 09-05-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Commando Nukem

but if you were to make say, Commander Keen 3D tc, I doubt they'd put their foot down on ya.

Only one way to find out

09-10-2006, 12:28 PM

what about wolfenstein, i thought id made it
but its on this site's games section

Telee · 09-10-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cbowling

what about wolfenstein, i thought id made it
but its on this site's games section

Apogee published it I think.

mr. pinky demon · 09-10-2006, 02:16 PM

Id did develope wolfenstien. Like one of the first ww2 games.

GodBlitZor · 09-10-2006, 03:13 PM

No, it wasnt.

mr. pinky demon · 09-10-2006, 07:21 PM

Then what was the first ww2? and dont say idk.

Commando Nukem · 09-10-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. pinky demon

Then what was the first ww2? and dont say idk.

You do realise that video games have been around since the late 70s right?

Anyway the predecessor to Wolfenstein 3D was Castle Wolfenstein.

CW, WOLF3D, WOLF3D:SOD, RTCW

GodBlitZor · 09-11-2006, 01:34 PM

Yes, the first WW2 game as far as I know was castle wolfenstein, but I bet there are ones before that even.

gt1750 · 09-11-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GodBlitZor

Yes, the first WW2 game as far as I know was castle wolfenstein, but I bet there are ones before that even.

There's this incomplete list.

I believe the first WWII themed game was 1942 (from 1984)

Loke · 09-11-2006, 09:08 PM

So, did 3DRealms sue Monolith for this?

GodBlitZor · 09-12-2006, 01:37 PM

Well, here's the thing, 3DR was making Blood for sometime, and even that sprite was in there during the 3DR beta.

Telee · 09-12-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GodBlitZor

Well, here's the thing, 3DR was making Blood for sometime, and even that sprite was in there during the 3DR beta.

Didn't 3D Realms make the weapons, enemies and textures? Monlith just made the levels, right?

GodBlitZor · 09-12-2006, 02:49 PM

Basicly, a lot of the actual basis for the game was 3drealms work. But yes, it could be said that the levels were by monolith. Not counting some things of course.

09-10-2006, 12:28 PM	#20
cbowling Guest	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? what about wolfenstein, i thought id made it but its on this site's games section

09-03-2006, 10:08 AM	#1
Deranged	That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? I just read about the doom reference on wikipedia, and I was hoping to comfirm whether it's true that id software sued 3D Realms for this. Thanks

09-03-2006, 10:15 AM	#2
Telee	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? Nah, they didn't. Besides, ID put Commander Keen in Doom, so 3D Realms had the right to do the same, eh? __________________ Smoker incapacitated Telee

09-03-2006, 10:24 AM	#3
Blade Nightflame	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? As far as I recall, ID Software made Commander Keen. Apogee only published it. __________________

09-03-2006, 10:29 AM	#5
NutWrench	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? I think 3D Realms and Id have known each other a long time and know how much they can get away with. __________________ "If by chance some day you're not feeling well and you should remember some silly thing I've said or done and it brings back a smile to your face or a chuckle to your heart, then my purpose as your clown has been fulfilled."

09-03-2006, 11:38 AM	#6
GodBlitZor	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? 3DR and id are basicly brother-companies.

09-03-2006, 02:05 PM	#7
Phayzon	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? ^ Yeah... I find it strange that 3DR/Apogee isnt on the "Friends of id" page... __________________ I made the first post on the VB! "So I guess the news here is that not only is Australia the last to get anything new in regard to videogames, they're also the first to get them taken away." - LeadBullet "We're part-time internet superheros." - Hudson

09-03-2006, 02:09 PM	#8
GodBlitZor	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? While they are "related" I'd imagine their independant of each other. Like, all those other companies have helped id in some way or another. HumanHead is there though.

09-03-2006, 02:23 PM	#9
Phayzon	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? ^ Of cource they're independant..! Apogee helped id before though (Wolf3D, CK)... __________________ I made the first post on the VB! "So I guess the news here is that not only is Australia the last to get anything new in regard to videogames, they're also the first to get them taken away." - LeadBullet "We're part-time internet superheros." - Hudson

09-03-2006, 02:54 PM	#10
Commando Nukem	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? ID software did try to take legal action, but failed. So much for brotherly love. =p __________________ Open Maw Productions

09-03-2006, 04:06 PM	#12
Telee	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? My respect for ID dropped a bit I don't exactly think they should sue over that... If 3D Realms said that they invented Doom Marine, then I would agree with ID. __________________ Smoker incapacitated Telee

09-04-2006, 04:42 AM	#14
Morry	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? That's quite laughable if they did pursue legal action over what was obviously a homage to the Doom series.

09-04-2006, 06:34 PM	#17
Phayzon	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? This is totally OT, but seeing the word 'cameo' reminded me. In Kameo, theres no cameos __________________ I made the first post on the VB! "So I guess the news here is that not only is Australia the last to get anything new in regard to videogames, they're also the first to get them taken away." - LeadBullet "We're part-time internet superheros." - Hudson

09-10-2006, 02:16 PM	#22
mr. pinky demon	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? Id did develope wolfenstien. Like one of the first ww2 games.

09-10-2006, 03:13 PM	#23
GodBlitZor	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? No, it wasnt.

09-10-2006, 07:21 PM	#24
mr. pinky demon	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? Then what was the first ww2? and dont say idk.

09-11-2006, 01:34 PM	#26
GodBlitZor	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? Yes, the first WW2 game as far as I know was castle wolfenstein, but I bet there are ones before that even.

09-11-2006, 09:08 PM	#28
Loke	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? So, did 3DRealms sue Monolith for this?

09-12-2006, 01:37 PM	#29
GodBlitZor	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? Well, here's the thing, 3DR was making Blood for sometime, and even that sprite was in there during the 3DR beta.

09-12-2006, 02:49 PM	#31
GodBlitZor	Re: That's one doomed space marine! Did id software sue? Basicly, a lot of the actual basis for the game was 3drealms work. But yes, it could be said that the levels were by monolith. Not counting some things of course.