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Old 07-02-2006, 06:11 PM   #81
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Re: Played demo. Didn't like it
Well said, Firefly.

Some people can handle a difference of opinion, others can't.

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Old 07-02-2006, 06:30 PM   #82
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The difference of opinion is fine, but apperantly you can't handle it when somebody wants to discuss the differences in the opinions.
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Old 07-02-2006, 06:36 PM   #83
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Maybe he does enjoy those games. Are you saying he needs an explanation for Pong?
Yes. (Oh, and maybe if I were Mountain Man you would've agreed with me.)

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Well said, Firefly.

Some people can handle a difference of opinion, others can't.
Completely missing the point, especially splitting hairs to make up excuses for doing so, has always proven to be rather troubling to me.
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Old 07-02-2006, 06:37 PM   #84
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Have you ever considered the possiblity that you might find out later in the game the reasons for the portals and gravity switching?

Sure it doesn't make much sense now, but maybe later in the game you will find out why.

Its pretty retarded IMO to toss out the game if you don't even understand the whole story yet.
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Old 07-02-2006, 06:40 PM   #85
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Reality or not it's damn fun. I guess that doesnt matter these days guys.
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Old 07-02-2006, 06:48 PM   #86
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Well said, Firefly.

Some people can handle a difference of opinion, others can't.
I think part of the issue is that you registered here seemingly for the sole purpose of critisizing the game...
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Old 07-02-2006, 06:50 PM   #87
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Constructive criticism is a good thing. If he were simply pointing out genuine problems (instead of showing how anal-retentive some gamers have become) I'm sure it would've been more well-received.
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Old 07-02-2006, 06:51 PM   #88
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Well said, Firefly.

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You're still here? Either you're trolling, or you're looking for some answer. If you didn't like the game, don't plan to buy it, why do you still come here? Certainly, the forums would be more cheerful for you in the games that you like.
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Old 07-02-2006, 07:30 PM   #89
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I think part of the issue is that you registered here seemingly for the sole purpose of critisizing the game...
The reason I posted here is the same reason everyone posts here. To give their opinion on Prey. The main difference is that the majority here like Prey while I did not.

If 3D only wanted positive opinions posted on their forum, then they should have made that a part of the rules.

I didn't come here, say "Prey sucks" and disappear. That would be trolling.

I didn't post personal insults against anyone who disagreed with me. That would make me one of those sorry bedwetters of fandom.

I gave reasons as to why I believed what I beleive. You may accept them or reject them. Certainly there is room for debate as all opinion is subjective.

It's all just opinion. Mine, yours, everyone elses. If 3D is reading these forums, they want to read my negative opinion just as much as they want to read your positive one. If you don't beleive me, ask them yourself. No company ever just wants to hear "Yes, it was wonderful, blah blah blah". They also want to hear from those who didn't like it. People do a powerful disservice to their favourite company by disuading others from talking about their dislikes.

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Old 07-02-2006, 07:34 PM   #90
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The dislikes are fine, like I already said. But what about when other people want to discuss those dislikes rather than just say "WTF You idiot" Thats why the whole sphere/portal/science thing came up because the portals are an actually good idea for ANYBODY who wants to go from point A to point B without wasting much time. Also why do you believe the human brain consists with the alien brain, and that our laws of physics are the same thing in space?
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Old 07-02-2006, 07:38 PM   #91
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hello, i am new here and have no idea what else to say, the Prey demo surprised me and i have much fun with demo and i'm going to buy the full game if it comes out here in germany. and i wonder why people don't like it, but okay. and i'm going to buy DNF.
and sorry for my spelling and bad english.
 
Old 07-02-2006, 07:47 PM   #92
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The biggest thing that has always annoyed me on msg boards is how when a new game comes out every average gamer thinks that they are some kind of game reviewer. Forums get filled with posts titled "My review of xxx game", and 90% of the time they are negative, because the ones who do love the game are silent, content, happily playing. What really bothers me though is how instead of moving on to whatever game they do like, they hang around for what seems like small eternities sometimes trying to convince everyone else that they should'nt like the game either. The real annoying thing is it's like "who cares?, who the *&^&% are you anyway?", some of these people seem to think that they are the actual authority on what does and does'nt suck.

What if you went to McDonalds to get a Big Mac, you sit down to enjoy your food and all of the sudden some clown comes and sits down down right across from you and starts ranting for an hour about how much he hates Big Macs? He could sit there and babble on about how much the sauce sucked, or how he did'nt like the patties, or the way it looks even. Would'nt that be so damn annoying, I imagine most people would want to just punch him in the face so they could get on with there lives and enjoy their meal like they had planned to do. What is wrong with people nowadays that they just have to piss on everyone elses parades?
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Old 07-02-2006, 08:02 PM   #93
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wow that was deep
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Old 07-02-2006, 08:19 PM   #94
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Guys, I don't have a problem in regards to what Lighthope is saying. He doesn't like the game and I love it. So what? It's not a big deal. He has just given us his opinion about the game in a non-threating\non-troll manner unlike other new members.

At least we don't get OMGFG LOLOL!!!111 I SUXXX.
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Old 07-02-2006, 09:30 PM   #95
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sorry If I sound like a crazy, I guess I have a little bit of a complex about it. I just don't understand why people don't move on if they don't like it, instead of still hanging around sounding off about it. What does that accomplish? It's really not useful to any of the fans, it just clutters up forum space. Believe me it will get worse around the games release, the haters will seep out of the woodworks with nitpicks and comparisons, no one can like a game for what it is anymore. There should be a whiners or complaint section to keep all that stuff out of the area for the fans who want to talk about the game.
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Old 07-02-2006, 09:49 PM   #96
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Telling people their dislikes are crucial to the developers' insight about what all fans really want. (Ofcourse all fans differ like anything else.)
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Old 07-02-2006, 09:58 PM   #97
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Exactly, and what if something they dislike is something that I love? And even worse, what if the developers actually do listen to them? No, I have to stop them before they poison my game. Sorry I'm a selfish jerkwad I know, but it's hard when you care about something.
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Old 07-02-2006, 10:12 PM   #98
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Who cares! Seriously, who really cares?
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Old 07-02-2006, 10:14 PM   #99
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People who felt like reading it, obviously.
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Old 07-02-2006, 10:25 PM   #100
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Interesting comment about the enemies. I dont like FPS's that throw tons of enemies at you say like Serious Sam or those ant things from HL2. I much prefer a small number of smarter, harder enemies. I like the enemy count of this game.
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Old 07-02-2006, 10:48 PM   #101
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I just got done watching superman, the most illogical movie EVER.. So i don't want to hear about the few illogical moments in Prey..
 
Old 07-02-2006, 11:22 PM   #102
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Interesting comment about the enemies. I dont like FPS's that throw tons of enemies at you say like Serious Sam or those ant things from HL2. I much prefer a small number of smarter, harder enemies. I like the enemy count of this game.
I like smart enemies, too. But I admit to loving the hordes of enemies that, say Starship Troopers threw at you. Yes, they were as intelligent as bacon, but I had fun.

I was curious as to how Prey would adapt to a person's playing ability. Demo didn't run long enough for that to kick in, unfortunately.

Wasn't Half-Life supposed to do that, too, or is that just a false memory of mine?

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Old 07-02-2006, 11:23 PM   #103
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I just got done watching superman, the most illogical movie EVER.. So i don't want to hear about the few illogical moments in Prey..
OKay, off topic I know, but Superman Returns didn't quite do it for me.

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Old 07-03-2006, 12:40 AM   #104
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To give my opinion again it's a bloody art form; would you take down one of Pablo Picasso painting's because they were simply illogical (“No” in my own opnion). This is why film's like Alien 3 get messed up from the wooden planet idea (Vincent Wards orignal creation) to that one that exists today (because of logical Fox producers minds).
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Old 07-03-2006, 05:46 AM   #105
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I like smart enemies, too. But I admit to loving the hordes of enemies that, say Starship Troopers threw at you. Yes, they were as intelligent as bacon, but I had fun.

I was curious as to how Prey would adapt to a person's playing ability. Demo didn't run long enough for that to kick in, unfortunately.

Wasn't Half-Life supposed to do that, too, or is that just a false memory of mine?

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The adaptable difficulty was disabled for the demo. Also, stop signing your posts and use the sig option in the user control panel. Because it really sucks to always have to remove a person's sig when quoting :P
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Old 07-03-2006, 06:19 AM   #106
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Perhaps Prey will have a balance of hordes vs single/small number of enemies on different levels. Will see when the game comes out.
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Old 07-03-2006, 06:49 AM   #107
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Well, you've got some interesting opinions Lighthope, and you've got every right to share them here on the boards. But coming from a lifelong Doctor Who fan, I'm finding your reasons behind disliking the demo a bit unimaginative. It won't do anybody any good looking for logic in an illogical place like the Sphere. And the gravity flipping, portals and wallwalking are what they are; gameplay elements, meant to make the gamer go "ooohhh" and "aaahhh".

How you fit them into the narrative is only limited by your perception and imagination (even more limited by a Vulcan mentality).

Still, no offense. It seems the game is not everyone's cup of tea, and that's cool. Just giving you my opinion of your opinion.

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Old 07-03-2006, 11:35 AM   #108
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It won't do anybody any good looking for logic in an illogical place like the Sphere. And the gravity flipping, portals and wallwalking are what they are; gameplay elements, meant to make the gamer go "ooohhh" and "aaahhh".
Well, if they had said that the sphere was in another dimension or something like that, then it would be acceptable that different laws would apply to them. But since it appears that the sphere operates in our universe, then it should have been built with those laws in mind.

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Still, no offense. It seems the game is not everyone's cup of tea, and that's cool. Just giving you my opinion of your opinion.
Most cool.

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Old 07-03-2006, 12:31 PM   #109
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All I see is a smartarse.
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Old 07-03-2006, 12:42 PM   #110
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If you want DNF to come out, you better buy this game if you like it or not. The royalties are a profit to continue funding DNF.
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Old 07-03-2006, 01:52 PM   #111
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Well, if they had said that the sphere was in another dimension or something like that, then it would be acceptable that different laws would apply to them. But since it appears that the sphere operates in our universe, then it should have been built with those laws in mind.

I dont think you've read enough on this game to really understand it. The sphere, itself, is it's own little universe. Everything that operates inside of the sphere, is done for a reason (not just gameplay wise) because the alien creatures don't see things the same way us humans do. I'm pretty sure that when it comes to laws of physics, earth is the ONLY place you really (think you) know about (unless you're a rocket scientist and just so have happend to study other planets atmospheres by actually being there if not then youre just trying to nitpick) so I really don't know what you are trying to get it.

I hope you really aren't a fan of Doctor Who or other shows like Star Trek, or movies like Star Wars. Because illogical happenings are the norm for those but their fans don't seem to even notice or acknowledge it as "Unrealistic! I dont like it!"
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Old 07-03-2006, 01:56 PM   #112
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Dont bother with him.. hes probably a spoiled little CS kid.
Perhaps he simply doesn't like the game. You are aware opinions can vary, aren't you?
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Old 07-03-2006, 02:54 PM   #113
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"don't beleive it", "this is ridiculous"

If you payed attention, Tommy doesnt believe it either...
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Old 07-03-2006, 03:32 PM   #114
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Yes.
What about online board games? How far down the abstraction tree do you want to go?

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My belief has always been that people should be entitled to their own unique perception, and that games can be so much more than their narrowly defined sense.

Mountain Man shares some of my opinions, however for him, if something doesn't add to the gameplay, it isn't important. I on the other hand, see gameplay as merely a tool in delivering a type of experience - what's important is what the world means to the player, the emotional significance of the events that occur, whether those are gameplay generated events or story generated events.

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Constructive criticism is a good thing. If he were simply pointing out genuine problems (instead of showing how anal-retentive some gamers have become) I'm sure it would've been more well-received.
And how do you define a genuine problem?

The problem is genuine for him, in relation to his playing experience. He can't become immersed in a game world, because it doesn't make sense to him, and because of this his enjoyment is effected.

If you're saying he should be to enjoy any game irrespective of the story behind it, then you're just favouring your perception over his. I imagine you see games purely in terms of the gameplay mechanics, while he sees them as experiences, as worlds in their own right.

At the end of the day though, who is to say what games should be? What right do you have to decide that your perception as the only acceptable one? From your perspective Lighthope is "anal-retentive", from his perspective he simply cares about things that you don't.

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Well, if they had said that the sphere was in another dimension or something like that, then it would be acceptable that different laws would apply to them. But since it appears that the sphere operates in our universe, then it should have been built with those laws in mind.
Physical laws merely dictate what is possible, and logic in this sense needs a context. You're assuming that the alien mind needed to design a room that made as efficient use of space as possible, and from that assumption, concluding that its final design was illogical. And you'd be right, but only if that was what the alien mind indeed intended.

Logic merely provides the reasoning necessary to achieve a goal; it doesn't dictate that goal. So perhaps the alien mind designed its ship precisely to confuse people, perhaps the confused layout is a reflection of its mental state. Imagine the ship as a sentient being, imagine it has a sense of humour, imagine that is perverse. Does simple logic now seem enough to come to a complete understanding of it?
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I remember seeing this somewhere.... an "inside out" palnet... or should i call itan "outside in" planet... where towns, oceans and continent would be on the interior surface of a sphere while the center would be a sun like kinda thing....
now cant remember if it was in a movie or a TV series... but i am damn sure i've seen this already.

the fact is at some point you see that your probably in a structure that is in the center of the said sphere, wich kinda makes it a "no gravity" space.... kinda... wich could explain the use of gravity switch...

now, take a look at your ceiling... kinda empty aint it? how sad all this spare space lost... well those aliens sorted this problem out by making use of all surfaces on a room, then no space is lost...
Star Trek TNG "RELICS" has a Dysons sphere in it. Cool episode.
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Old 07-03-2006, 06:24 PM   #116
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I like how I said the ship is an organic construct and no one seemed to notice. It's not exactly "designed" but rather, the things like walking paths and portals are designed around the fact that shit is just plain going to be weird, and you'll need to make the best of it. I posted a bunch of info about this right on the first page. Thanks for ignoring it folks.
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Old 07-04-2006, 02:32 AM   #117
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Everyone can share their opinions, even if they are negative, as long as you can point out why it's so; Lightpope did exactly that. For reasons I posted elsewhere I haven't been able to play Prey just yet, so I can't say do I agree or disagree, but I can say I've been there, Lightpope; Imagine how hard it is to dislike Half-Life 2 in this world, no matter how precise arguments you have

[Before you ask; For me HL2 was obsolete design; It was copy-paste of original HL in every way. True, the physics were nice, but as the player character was still the same scenery-hoovering camera with gun taped to it they really didn't aid immersion. And the overscripted AI was still there, seeming truly dated after witnessing dynamic AI of HALOs. In the end it was just rehash. Personally I liked Doom3 a much better sequel, as at least it tried to add something new to it, not just duplicate everything decade old. Hehe, now you forum fiends can hang two of us ]
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Old 07-04-2006, 04:55 AM   #118
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wow. just wow.
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Old 07-04-2006, 05:22 AM   #119
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@necrophilissimo (ever thought about another forum nick? this one has a kind of dead feeling too it )
I agree on the HL2 remarks. That game just didn't live up to the original (IMO). But the same goes for Doom3.

But back on topic: I played demo. Just loved it!
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Old 07-04-2006, 05:35 AM   #120
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Star Trek TNG "RELICS" has a Dysons sphere in it. Cool episode.

indeed, check page 2, second post... i did recall that and even gave a few bonus shots of the episode..hehehe
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