Duke and the E3

[Caine]

ok i dont want to spam but to keep this forum alive and the hype on there were people who thought duke would be announced as finished on e3, or shown or whatever, let's wait and see....... so another theorie might be closed.

[Angelo86]

we hope in the June 4 (E3 1-4 June) or on conference take two.
For many reason i think the game is done but i cant say the reasons

[Kennerado]

Not.Gonna.Happen.

[Angelo86]

Its Gonna.Happen.

[conantheking]

Duke Nukem Trilogy for PSP and DS will be there.

Yay..... v_v

[IceColdDuke]

Im drunk too lazy to find the locked icon :|. I wish joe didnt delete that sticky...

[prophecy holder]

Originally Posted by conantheking

Duke Nukem Trilogy for PSP and DS will be there.

Yay..... v_v

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[Rösti]

Joe told some weeks ago that 3D Realms' was not intending to participate at E3, but the situation has changed since then. However, due to legal claims, there may be no reason (except for some 'splainin' to do!) whatsoever to visit E3. Take-Two will be there, though.

Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc.
OFMR #5172
Meeting Room #403B

[SpinX]

always bet on duke...

[MasterMike569]

If Duke Nukem Forever is at E3 I will post a picture of myself eating a cat turd, I shit you not!

[KaiserSoze]

Some of you are setting yourselves up for a massive letdown. It's over. This is not a massive conspiracy theory that will somehow be blown open at E3. It's time everyone moved on and forgot about DNF because it's simply not gonna happen. The closest you'll ever get to playing a "new" Duke game is from one of the handheld versions coming out.

And one last thing, there is no way in HELL Take 2 would go along with a "conspiracy" where they "sue 3drealms" in some elaborate plot to announce the game is actually done. They are a publically traded company and stuff like this directly affects their stock prices.

I've sadly moved on from ever hoping I'll get to play Duke Nukem Forever. I'll give you some really good advice: You should too.

You can always bet on Duke Nukem Forever..........for not coming out.

[MasterMike569]

Originally Posted by KaiserSoze

Some of you are setting yourselves up for a massive letdown. It's over. This is not a massive conspiracy theory that will somehow be blown open at E3. It's time everyone moved on and forgot about DNF because it's simply not gonna happen. The closest you'll ever get to playing a "new" Duke game is from one of the handheld versions coming out.

And one last thing, there is no way in HELL Take 2 would go along with a "conspiracy" where they "sue 3drealms" in some elaborate plot to announce the game is actually done. They are a publically traded company and stuff like this directly affects their stock prices.

I've sadly moved on from ever hoping I'll get to play Duke Nukem Forever. I'll give you some really good advice: You should too.

Yup, thats totally why I made such an absurd bet. I too have moved on knowing full well more than likely I'll never bask in the light that is Duke Nukem Forever. Probably not in its current form anyway and the next iteration will probably be far far off into the future.

[SplatterHappy]

Originally Posted by KaiserSoze

Some of you are setting yourselves up for a massive letdown. It's over. This is not a massive conspiracy theory that will somehow be blown open at E3. It's time everyone moved on and forgot about DNF because it's simply not gonna happen. The closest you'll ever get to playing a "new" Duke game is from one of the handheld versions coming out.

And one last thing, there is no way in HELL Take 2 would go along with a "conspiracy" where they "sue 3drealms" in some elaborate plot to announce the game is actually done. They are a publically traded company and stuff like this directly affects their stock prices.

I've sadly moved on from ever hoping I'll get to play Duke Nukem Forever. I'll give you some really good advice: You should too.

You can always bet on Duke Nukem Forever..........for not coming out.

Yup.. definitely no conspiracy. I actually checked Take 2's stock between 3DR's "closing" and announcement of the lawsuit.. it was spiraling downward and shot back up a bit after word of the lawsuit got out.

I do think DNF will show up in one form or another eventually however: Too much work has already been done on it and too much money has been invested to just let those assets go to waste, IMO. Much of that will depend on the outcome of the lawsuit of course. Then again, GB could decide to sit on the assets forever just out of spite.. who knows?

Put it this way: I'm holding off until the outcome of the lawsuit before giving up all hope, but I'm not holding my breath.

[pythagoras]

What I'd like to see is for George to show up at E3 with a laptop and whatever the most current build of the game happens to be, (like the one Jace Hall played) then sneak back behind the Sony or Microsoft area and patch it into the biggest monitor he can find and open it up so the whole crowd gets to hear "Hail to the King Baby" before having their minds blown wide open, if not by the most incredible graphics or gameplay, then simply by the sheer fact that they are actually seeing Duke Nukem Forever being played. Then, when the lawyers from Take Two show up, George can just blast them the fully functional shrink-ray gun they actually spent those twelve years making, squish them into little puddles of lawyer-ooze, and then fly away on his jetpack. That's what Duke would do.

[Waiter]

Originally Posted by SplatterHappy

Put it this way: I'm holding off until the outcome of the lawsuit before giving up all hope, but I'm not holding my breath.

Good. Because there is significant scientific evidence that holding your breath for a year can have a negative effect on your health.

[kp1197]

Originally Posted by Waiter

Good. Because there is significant scientific evidence that holding your breath for a year can have a negative effect on your health.

Actually, I don't think there is any scientific evidence for this. The experiment would be unethical.

[SpinX]

Originally Posted by KaiserSoze

Some of you are setting yourselves up for a massive letdown. It's over. This is not a massive conspiracy theory that will somehow be blown open at E3. It's time everyone moved on and forgot about DNF because it's simply not gonna happen. The closest you'll ever get to playing a "new" Duke game is from one of the handheld versions coming out.

And one last thing, there is no way in HELL Take 2 would go along with a "conspiracy" where they "sue 3drealms" in some elaborate plot to announce the game is actually done. They are a publically traded company and stuff like this directly affects their stock prices.

I've sadly moved on from ever hoping I'll get to play Duke Nukem Forever. I'll give you some really good advice: You should too.

You can always bet on Duke Nukem Forever..........for not coming out.

probably you are right... but can't george just pop in this thread and gives us the status so we can ALL move on... I will still have hope untill that dude says tot the froum guys that is REALLY OVER...

come on kaiser, after all these years... whats a little extra hope?

[Tea Monster]

No he can't. Until he gets enough money to finish the game, and until the lawsuit is put to rest, he can't do anything. Until GEORGE finds out whats going on, we won't know whats going on with DNF.

Either way it turns out, you are not looking at 6 months till release!

[FlashBack]

Hey people.
I have read everything in this topic and all I saw was a bunch of people saying that they think the game will get out and people that think it will not.
This is all fine and dandy but it seems to me that the predictions on DNF are just dictated by each and everybody's character and personality and not on officially declared facts.
Everything here is just speculation free speculation based on one or more events that took and are taking place behind the curtain.
Why doesn't anybody care to base his predictions on the fact that George Broussard is not claiming anything good nor bad about DNF but instead he is posting on his blog about everyday things like garage doors or about him playing fallout 3?
He is even generous enough to post free xbl dn3d serials, doesn't that make anybody feel at least a bit more confident about this situation?
Why doesn't anybody care to base his predictions on the fact that after so much time, DNF is still marked as When it's done on this site.
Isn't it obvious that if George Broussard has time to post free xbl serials on his blog and play fallout 3, he also has time to visit this forum and know what is the major opinion here?
I beg everybody to differ and stop being so negative about this situation until official news will come.
Don't you think that if he would have known that everything is dead, he would have said so?
The fact that there is so much silence about this is obviously a powerful sign that he at least cares about keeping the community hyped about this title, which in turn may also mean this title is still of interest for him, because he believes he can still sell it!

I find it very childish and unconstructive to criticize him as long as nobody here knows him in person.
Everything we know about George Broussard is what he lets us see about him. Why do some people that criticize him, think they know who he is and what he is capable of, just by judging the 12 year prolonged development of DNF?
It's wrong to just transform him into a god or complete failure just by following the official news that we currently have since they are not enough to form a definitive image.
I have seen so many theories based on other smaller theories and opinions that I am beginning to see a trend here, one that has managed to steer lots of members into a group shared ideology that DNF is dead and there is no return and it's all in George's power to kill it or save it.

[marioman360]

Believe Steave.

haha, but in all seriousness, the only Duke we'll see at E3 is some of the new portable Trilogy (if even that).

[jaimie10]

I have read everything in this topic and all I saw was a bunch of people saying that they think the game will get out and people that think it will not.
This is all fine and dandy but it seems to me that the predictions on DNF are just dictated by each and everybody's character and personality and not on officially declared facts.

The reason why people are declaring DNF dead isn't people being negative, they are being realistic. GB and 3Dr had 12 years,$20 million and a talented team of developers to produce a game. He couldn't. Now his company is being sued. So practically bankrupt 3DR somehow need to find the money to pay a team of lawyers for the upcoming court case and the DNF team has been dissolved. T2 didn't manage to get an injunction to prevent 3DR continuing with the development of DNF, but how on earth with all this going on do you think DNF is suddenly going to be finished. They couldn't do it when they had a team, money and all the time in the world, now they have none of that you suddenly think the game will be finished? How? And by whom? It's safe to say that the development of DNF will be put on hold until the court case is over. The case is due in court mid 2010 and I would say they would have another 1 - 1 1/2 of development left before DNF is on the shelves. So 2012. That's a long time in game development my friend. If DNF came out tomorrow, I think it will be a great looking, advanced FPS, if it comes out in 2012 at best it would be a run of the mill FPS, probably surpassed by games using more modern tech. I'm not being negative, I'm not trolling, I want DNF to be released, but I'm looking at the facts:

1)court case
2)3DR broke
3)no DNF team
4)history of project mismanagement

If you're on a plane and the wings fall off, do you tell your wife that it will be Ok and there may be a chance that say, the wings might grow back again or maybe the plane will land in a field full of marshmellows, or do you accept you're dead and start screaming like the rest of the passengers?

find it very childish and unconstructive to criticize him as long as nobody here knows him in person.

Yes some of the criticism has been childish, but some of the negative criticism has been entirely justified. You don't necessarily have to know someone in order to have an opinion or pass judgement on them. At the end of the day he was tasked with producing a game, he (admitedly) was responsible for a certain degree of mismanagement and poor decision making that affected tge games development. So any criticism for that is justified. he has shown a certain amount of arrogance and almost disdain for DNf fans for example releasing 'teaser' trailers and little snippets of information hinting at the imminent release of DNF when he knew full well that it was nowhere near completion. He is also partially responsible for the fact that the entire DNF team are out of work. If he had mamanged the project better, DNF could have been out the door years ago and the DNF team would now be working on the next DN game. Instead DNF is STILL not finished and the developers are out of work. I wonder how they feel about GB.

[FlashBack]

Then if he is all that bad and he failed so miserably like you say.
Why does he tweet about garage doors and why does he continue to offer dn3d xbl serials like ABSOLUTELY NOTHING happened?
Do you personally consider that a normal human with an intact brain would act like that? Would you find it funny to act like that after such epic fail of such epic proportions and media coverage?
If he is serious when he is posting "# Having a new garage door installed. One man installation. He makes it look easy. Bet he can't build a PC though!11:47 AM May 28th from web
# I ordered paper towels and toilet paper from Amazon via Amazon Prime. Free shipping. Damn, I almost don't need to leaver the house again.8:32 PM May 27th from web
# Both codes are gone. Better luck next time. Going to play some Fallout 3 now." do you actually consider him a sane person?
Excuse me if I happen to piss off somebody but that kind of attitude on his blog is one of 2 things. Either a VERY bad joke aimed at people that read his blog or he is being psychotic and he might of lost his brain and went into a state of shock after this bad episode.

And then there is a third option that seems very unlikely and I invoke it under the "Paranoia" act.
The act where he is hinting what he is doing. He bought paper towels and toilet paper because " I almost don't need to leaver the house again" he wants to hint he is ashamed of himself and can't dare to show his face in public so he rather stay locked in his house with enough toilet paper to last him allot so he doesn't have to go and buy new packs and get in trouble with possible duke nukem fans at the market. He can very well be using this figure of speech under a joke note, to indirectly say that he has failed and he has nothing to say.
If that would be the case then he is a coward.

[Scotty]

Originally Posted by SplatterHappy

Yup.. definitely no conspiracy. I actually checked Take 2's stock between 3DR's "closing" and announcement of the lawsuit.. it was spiraling downward and shot back up a bit after word of the lawsuit got out.

At a quick glance, TTWO went down only about 11% on that drop. Not really worth it to short it for just an 11% gain, but the puts at $10 ($1 in-the-money as TTWO was at $9 before the drop) might have gotten some good action on the drop.

I feel like a big dummy for not looking for such an obvious trade opportunity, but my job has been burning me out and not leaving me a lot of time to trade.

[jaimie10]

Originally Posted by FlashBack

Then if he is all that bad and he failed so miserably like you say.
Why does he tweet about garage doors and why does he continue to offer dn3d xbl serials like ABSOLUTELY NOTHING happened?
Do you personally consider that a normal human with an intact brain would act like that?

No I don't expect someone to act like that. After seeing the DNF team break up, his company almost bankrupt and the DNF project all but cancelled, you'd think he would severely depressed and suicidal, certainly not getting new garage doors fitted and playing games. But then he has demonstrated over the past decade that he has made some odd, bizarre choices and decisions. As I said previously, HE is largely responsible for the fact 30 odd guys are out of work, HE is largely responsible for the fact 3DR are being sued, HE is largely responsible for 3DRs dire financial situation. Rewind 10 years, put in GBs place a focussed, dedicated, results driven PM and we would have a completely different situation. 3DR would have money in the coffers, they would not be off to court and we'd be playing DNF. OK it might not be the DNF that GB dreamed of, but we'd be playing it, as opposed to watching clips on youtube. The DNF GB dreams of, doesn't exist and never will, because he wants to develop the perfect game. Something that is not achievable.

Don't get me wrong I don't think GB is some kind of pariah, I just think at some point between 1997 and 2009 he lost the way and actually forgot why he originally starting designing and developing games. Priority number one - produce a great game that fans are going to love. But his main priority became this plan to create some kind of masterpiece, where people would be in awe of him, treat him like the second coming. If he was really focussed on pleasing the fans, we would have seen DNF a long time ago. To be honest, his behaviour in the past few weeks leads me to believe either this thing is a complete, elaborate hoax or he really is missing a few screws. How anyone can act like that, carrying on as happy as a pig in sh*t when people are out of work and 3DR is mystifying. Even if you were happy, at least for the sake of your ex-colleagues you wouldn't be publicly displaying those emotions. Imagine how those developers feel, GB waxing lyrical about WOW or his freaking garage door, meanwhile they're queing for their dole (welfare) cheques.

[Arexx]

Originally Posted by FlashBack

And then there is a third option that seems very unlikely and I invoke it under the "Paranoia" act.
The act where he is hinting what he is doing. He bought paper towels and toilet paper because " I almost don't need to leaver the house again" he wants to hint he is ashamed of himself and can't dare to show his face in public so he rather stay locked in his house with enough toilet paper to last him allot so he doesn't have to go and buy new packs and get in trouble with possible duke nukem fans at the market. He can very well be using this figure of speech under a joke note, to indirectly say that he has failed and he has nothing to say.
If that would be the case then he is a coward.

Wow... again, he posts a comment on how you can order everything and have it delivered to your door, even toilet paper and how you almost never have to leave your house anymore, and from that you have him ashamed?

No, he simply commented on how you almost don't have to leave your house anymore. Period. Nothing more to it than that. I commented about something similar to my wife today, because I can now pay all my bills online, my rent is paid 6 months in advance, I never have to leave the house.... oh no.... I never realized, I must be ashamed of something!

[naddie]

Originally Posted by FlashBack

Then if he is all that bad and he failed so miserably like you say.
Why does he tweet about garage doors and why does he continue to offer dn3d xbl serials like ABSOLUTELY NOTHING happened?
Do you personally consider that a normal human with an intact brain would act like that? Would you find it funny to act like that after such epic fail of such epic proportions and media coverage?
If he is serious when he is posting "# Having a new garage door installed. One man installation. He makes it look easy. Bet he can't build a PC though!11:47 AM May 28th from web
# I ordered paper towels and toilet paper from Amazon via Amazon Prime. Free shipping. Damn, I almost don't need to leaver the house again.8:32 PM May 27th from web
# Both codes are gone. Better luck next time. Going to play some Fallout 3 now." do you actually consider him a sane person?
Excuse me if I happen to piss off somebody but that kind of attitude on his blog is one of 2 things. Either a VERY bad joke aimed at people that read his blog or he is being psychotic and he might of lost his brain and went into a state of shock after this bad episode.

And then there is a third option that seems very unlikely and I invoke it under the "Paranoia" act.
The act where he is hinting what he is doing. He bought paper towels and toilet paper because " I almost don't need to leaver the house again" he wants to hint he is ashamed of himself and can't dare to show his face in public so he rather stay locked in his house with enough toilet paper to last him allot so he doesn't have to go and buy new packs and get in trouble with possible duke nukem fans at the market. He can very well be using this figure of speech under a joke note, to indirectly say that he has failed and he has nothing to say.
If that would be the case then he is a coward.

What are you talking about? He must be crazy or gone insane because he is using Twitter like everyone else does? You know, posting shit that no one cares about...

# Okay, poop coming out now


ahh... I was wondering where that came from...
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/4/23/

[SplatterHappy]

Actually, the new garage door was the one George special ordered with the radiation logo on it. They're going to finish DNF in his garage and thought it should look the part!

The paper towels are for when they have hot wings delivered (can't be creative without hot wings) and the toilet paper is of course for the aftermath.

[Angelo86]

Originally Posted by jaimie10

he has shown a certain amount of arrogance and almost disdain for DNf fans for example releasing 'teaser' trailers and little snippets of information hinting at the imminent release of DNF when he knew full well that it was nowhere near completion. He is also partially responsible for the fact that the entire DNF team are out of work. If he had mamanged the project better, DNF could have been out the door years ago and the DNF team would now be working on the next DN game. Instead DNF is STILL not finished and the developers are out of work. I wonder how they feel about GB.

Is true.

[Needle]

Originally Posted by jaimie10

If he had mamanged the project better, DNF could have been out the door years ago

Either that, or they would've ran out of money years ago instead of dragging themselves along with a team way to small.

[IHerman]

Originally Posted by KaiserSoze

Some of you are setting yourselves up for a massive letdown. It's over. This is not a massive conspiracy theory that will somehow be blown open at E3. It's time everyone moved on and forgot about DNF because it's simply not gonna happen. The closest you'll ever get to playing a "new" Duke game is from one of the handheld versions coming out.

And one last thing, there is no way in HELL Take 2 would go along with a "conspiracy" where they "sue 3drealms" in some elaborate plot to announce the game is actually done. They are a publically traded company and stuff like this directly affects their stock prices.

I've sadly moved on from ever hoping I'll get to play Duke Nukem Forever. I'll give you some really good advice: You should too.

You can always bet on Duke Nukem Forever..........for not coming out.

Indeed. Move on. I'm waiting for the DS Duke now.

I wouldn't mind DNF coming out eventually, if George decides to make it with a few people. If the graphics look old I wouldn't mind as long as the game kicks ass. Not a scenario I think would ever happen.

I don't know what the hell is going to happen.

I have mixed feelings about George's behaviour. He's probably trying to ignore the whole thing. Anything he says about DNF will be overspeculated anyway.

[Altered Reality]

Originally Posted by SpinX

always bet on duke...

...not to be released.

Flashback: there is a simple reason for those stupid twits George posted. Which is:
Anything you say can and will be used against you.
This is true not only in criminal trials, but also in civil ones. So, George is just posting completely retarded sh1t with nothing to do about DNF, wich cannot possibly be used against him in court.

[adam cracow]

Where from at you such darknesses?

He does not kill himself the hen taking down gold eggs