Language for a beginner - Page 2

Delicieuxz · 05-01-2010, 10:20 PM

I've also been enjoying this C++ video tutorial series on youtube. I think it's pretty informative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyVhn0FWWB4

Jiminator · 05-01-2010, 11:38 PM

hrm, turbo pascal. the first cheap mainstream language. the top down vs bottom design. of course that is a fail, I don't know that anybody uses pascal any more aside from legacy apps.

Betelgeuse · 05-02-2010, 11:47 AM

After a little more study on the subject and some careful thought, i have decided to study C++. ha, i never thought i would ever enjoy studying, i think i have found my calling. And i have to say, it feels fu++in great.

Crosma · 05-05-2010, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiminator

I don't know that anybody uses pascal any more aside from legacy apps.

There's always Delphi, I guess.

Kristian Joensen · 05-05-2010, 06:48 AM

Also Free Pascal + Lazarus.

Sang · 05-05-2010, 03:45 PM

@Betelgeuse: If you sorta know how programming works (without having to be an expert) you should be able to quickly understand most other languages as well.

You already started working on events? Wouldn't do that, I think you should learn the basics about variables and all kinds of clauses first (if/else, while, for,... etc).

Not sure what IT course you're gonna follow but a head start isn't really that necessary, at least it wasn't for me. I stepped in there with zero programming knowledge but I learned quite quickly - and now a lot of people following the same course ask me their programming questions. Junior stuff though, not gonna code the next Duke3D source port just yet

edit: apparently his post is really old but whatever

Glassagate · 05-07-2010, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sang

@Betelgeuse: If you sorta know how programming works (without having to be an expert) you should be able to quickly understand most other languages as well.

You already started working on events? Wouldn't do that, I think you should learn the basics about variables and all kinds of clauses first (if/else, while, for,... etc).

Not sure what IT course you're gonna follow but a head start isn't really that necessary, at least it wasn't for me. I stepped in there with zero programming knowledge but I learned quite quickly - and now a lot of people following the same course ask me their programming questions. Junior stuff though, not gonna code the next Duke3D source port just yet

edit: apparently his post is really old but whatever

So, when you started, did you pick up a book, or did you find some tutorials
online? I can understand the book approach, since you start at page one
and go on from there, but how are you suppose to know how to proceed
when you go the "tutorial route"? Do you just find a copy of a book's
"content tree" (outline) and use that as a road map?

Jiminator · 05-07-2010, 10:53 PM

eh, get a bunch of books, read them. then try to figure out how to do the tutorials. unfortunately many languages have a huge learning curve. If its something you really want to do, you will figure it out. if not, you should probably be doing something else. not really something you want to try to see how you like it.

Betelgeuse · 05-07-2010, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sang

@Betelgeuse: If you sorta know how programming works (without having to be an expert) you should be able to quickly understand most other languages as well.

You already started working on events? Wouldn't do that, I think you should learn the basics about variables and all kinds of clauses first (if/else, while, for,... etc).

Not sure what IT course you're gonna follow but a head start isn't really that necessary, at least it wasn't for me. I stepped in there with zero programming knowledge but I learned quite quickly - and now a lot of people following the same course ask me their programming questions. Junior stuff though, not gonna code the next Duke3D source port just yet

edit: apparently his post is really old but whatever

hey thanks for the reply, see i am actually a bit nervous about studying information technology, but i have really been getting into the c++ language, that "n00b spoon fed tutorial" series is really helping and i'm finding it to be a really fun spare time activity. So far, i have clear understanding of variables and the Lvalue - Rvalue rule, if/else statements, the boolean , NOT AND OR operators, creating new functions and jumping from function to function... and a bunch of other stuff, i understand it's a long path to follow, but i am so confident, when im at work, im revising code in my head, writing little code blocks on paper, it's all i can think about lately. Your reply makes me feel better about taking the course anyway! cheers Sang.

8IronBob · 05-08-2010, 07:57 AM

Ahh yes, Delphi...always wanted to get into that, but with Borland's pricing...heh. Easier said than done.

I mean, Microsoft's whole Visual Studio Standard package is at least a third of the price of only one language from Borland, which can be at least $1K USD for C++Builder or Delphi, if not more so. I looked at Amazon, and they wanted anywhere from $1,500 to $2,500 USD for one copy. Jeez... Seems like they can't compete with VS2008 at much at those price levels, or at least offer a personal, standard edition of their language suites. I'm not trying to start a Borland/MS war here, but...I just feel that they should start being more competitive for the hobbyist too, not just for big-time professionals.

EDIT: I stand corrected, you can have Turbo C 3.0 free: http://www.brothersoft.com/turbo-c-182798.html
I suppose that the side of Borland I saw was overpriced languages that are geared towards corporate brass.

Sang · 05-16-2010, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glassagate

So, when you started, did you pick up a book, or did you find some tutorials
online?

Nope, learned it through school, they've got some really solid teaching methods there.

peoplessi · 06-02-2010, 04:24 AM

8IronBob, the VS Express Editions are free and feature wise complete enough for starting programmers. If somebody is just starting out, the last thing would be to pay excessive amounts of money for a development package.

IceColdDuke · 06-07-2010, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peoplessi

8IronBob, the VS Express Editions are free and feature wise complete enough for starting programmers. If somebody is just starting out, the last thing would be to pay excessive amounts of money for a development package.

+1000

Visual Studio is the best way to go, either C++ or C#, and if your using OSX use XCode. Don't use anything made by borland, I didn't even know they were still around any more :/.

Duke rajongó · 06-08-2010, 07:00 AM

I have the visual c++2010.-es his version somebody would be able to write it down how it is necessary to install it onto the machine?

Crosma · 06-10-2010, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8IronBob

I suppose that the side of Borland I saw was overpriced languages that are geared towards corporate brass.

Borland released non-commercial versions (a la Visual Studio Express) of most of their stuff, and older versions were often released for free to promote newer versions.

I have no idea about any of their current stuff though.

05-01-2010, 10:20 PM	#41
Delicieuxz	Re: Language for a beginner I've also been enjoying this C++ video tutorial series on youtube. I think it's pretty informative. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyVhn0FWWB4 __________________ Anticipating: GTA V, The Banner Saga, Wasteland 2, Assassin's Creed III, Overgrowth, Star Wars: 1313, Double Fine Adventure, Grim Dawn, Guild Wars 2, Doom 4, MechWarrior Online, Hawken, Far Cry 3, Dishonored, Xenonauts, Baldur's Gate EE

05-01-2010, 11:38 PM	#42
Jiminator	Re: Language for a beginner hrm, turbo pascal. the first cheap mainstream language. the top down vs bottom design. of course that is a fail, I don't know that anybody uses pascal any more aside from legacy apps. __________________ big badass nasty weapons here....

05-02-2010, 11:47 AM	#43
Betelgeuse	Re: Language for a beginner After a little more study on the subject and some careful thought, i have decided to study C++. ha, i never thought i would ever enjoy studying, i think i have found my calling. And i have to say, it feels fu++in great. __________________ #include <iostream> using namespace std; int main() { cout << " my mum says im cool... "; return 13; }

05-05-2010, 06:48 AM	#45
Kristian Joensen	Re: Language for a beginner Also Free Pascal + Lazarus. __________________ The Philosophy Of Liberty, Chaos Theory Tachyons, Time Travel, and Divine Omniscience A Refutation of Moral Relativism(Transcript)

05-05-2010, 03:45 PM	#46
Sang	Re: Language for a beginner @Betelgeuse: If you sorta know how programming works (without having to be an expert) you should be able to quickly understand most other languages as well. You already started working on events? Wouldn't do that, I think you should learn the basics about variables and all kinds of clauses first (if/else, while, for,... etc). Not sure what IT course you're gonna follow but a head start isn't really that necessary, at least it wasn't for me. I stepped in there with zero programming knowledge but I learned quite quickly - and now a lot of people following the same course ask me their programming questions. Junior stuff though, not gonna code the next Duke3D source port just yet edit: apparently his post is really old but whatever __________________ traB pu kcip

05-07-2010, 10:53 PM	#48
Jiminator	Re: Language for a beginner eh, get a bunch of books, read them. then try to figure out how to do the tutorials. unfortunately many languages have a huge learning curve. If its something you really want to do, you will figure it out. if not, you should probably be doing something else. not really something you want to try to see how you like it. __________________ big badass nasty weapons here....

05-08-2010, 07:57 AM	#50
8IronBob	Re: Language for a beginner Ahh yes, Delphi...always wanted to get into that, but with Borland's pricing...heh. Easier said than done. I mean, Microsoft's whole Visual Studio Standard package is at least a third of the price of only one language from Borland, which can be at least $1K USD for C++Builder or Delphi, if not more so. I looked at Amazon, and they wanted anywhere from $1,500 to $2,500 USD for one copy. Jeez... Seems like they can't compete with VS2008 at much at those price levels, or at least offer a personal, standard edition of their language suites. I'm not trying to start a Borland/MS war here, but...I just feel that they should start being more competitive for the hobbyist too, not just for big-time professionals. EDIT: I stand corrected, you can have Turbo C 3.0 free: http://www.brothersoft.com/turbo-c-182798.html I suppose that the side of Borland I saw was overpriced languages that are geared towards corporate brass. __________________ PC Specs (a.k.a. "Galacticus Prime"): http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7Vk7FT Last edited by 8IronBob; 05-08-2010 at 08:11 AM.

06-02-2010, 04:24 AM	#52
peoplessi	Re: Language for a beginner 8IronBob, the VS Express Editions are free and feature wise complete enough for starting programmers. If somebody is just starting out, the last thing would be to pay excessive amounts of money for a development package. __________________ Duke Nukem Forever Who am I to judge?

06-08-2010, 07:00 AM	#54
Duke rajongó	Re: Language for a beginner I have the visual c++2010.-es his version somebody would be able to write it down how it is necessary to install it onto the machine?