Does Duke Nukem Even Matter Anymore?

[Monkey Butler]

But the 1998 and 2001 games a) don't exist at all any more and b) were total failures. They looked cool, but by 3DR's own admission there wasn't any game behind either of them.

[Kalki]

Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

But the 1998 and 2001 games a) don't exist at all any more and b) were total failures. They looked cool, but by 3DR's own admission there wasn't any game behind either of them.

Sure but again, doesn't change them being an indicator of 3D Realms' past ambitions from a fan's perspective and the reason for any favorable expectations they may have from this game.

[Monkey Butler]

Ambitions are one thing, just like the comments we've had from the devs so far. Until we see the game, they remain just that - not to mention the fact that the game has very publicly failed to live up to those ambitions so far.

[Kalki]

Speaking as a fan, I just want a good game. From what I saw in those trailers, DNF could certainly be one if that's the kind of game they create. In being delayed, the game has also been prevented from becoming a rushed release forced by arbitrary deadlines, so the promise still remains. Until we see the game.

[rockmanekuzu8]

I played some of Call of Duty 4 and Gears of War awhile ago, and my verdict is in... Good games but really not what I'm looking for, in my opinion I don't like them. Forget the Rest, we need the Best and that is DNF not Halo. DNF will rock and stand on its own for years in sales and competition, it will continue to kick ass and rock!! Can't wait for that new Trailer, let's rock 3DR when you're ready!!

[RAW]

Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

But the 1998 and 2001 games a) don't exist at all any more and b) were total failures. They looked cool, but by 3DR's own admission there wasn't any game behind either of them.

Well if you goin on their admissions than you have to accept their admission that A: they have hired a shit load of people to push this game through B: they have in so may words admitted their almost done C: they believe this is one of the most interactive games yet to be seen.
If you accept negative admissions you have to accept the possitive ones too.

[X-Vector]

Originally Posted by RAW

Well if you goin on their admissions than you have to accept their admission that A: they have hired a shit load of people to push this game through B: they have in so may words admitted their almost done C: they believe this is one of the most interactive games yet to be seen.
If you accept negative admissions you have to accept the possitive ones too.

That doesn't mean much because they have made similar comments years ago about previous incarnations of the game (don't know where you get point B from though).

It's the boy crying wolf scenario; eventually the wolf is going to show up, but you won't know it until you see it.

[Minty]

Originally Posted by Kalki

some go so far as to claim the 2001 trailer holds up today.

I'm one of the ones that say that. The 2001 trailer is still the best trailer I have ever seen for a game, anywhere, and it still looks like a hell of a lot more fun than any game today, the fact that it was nowhere near completion doesnt change my views, they still made it look great fun, so if they can pull off that in the upcoming trailer and then in the final game it will be amazing.

The thing that i dont like about games these days is that they take themselves far too seriously, I hope DNF doesnt turn out like that, but by default, it shouldnt.

[RAW]

x-vector i think it means much because they didnt lie to us in the past , they where where they said they where and started over , they where very honest about the whole thing , i mean george has admitted defeat over and over to us and the world so i trust what he says and by that i wont stoop to a one sided story about 3drealm and dnf
And point B was all overrrr the dbj , you must have seen it ,no?
Also its not the boy crying wolf , its called trial and error

[X-Vector]

Originally Posted by RAW

x-vector i think it means much because they didnt lie to us in the past , they where where they said they where and started over , they where very honest about the whole thing , i mean george has admitted defeat over and over to us and the world so i trust what he says and by that i wont stoop to a one sided story about 3drealm and dnf

3DR is pretty good at "admitting defeat" years after the fact, when they can counter that negative vibe with the suggestion that they've learned from their previous mistakes, have moved on and are back on track again, doing better than ever.

Back when the 2001 trailer was released they didn't exactly imply to us that it was just a proof of concept video and that there was no real game to back it up (at least not one advanced enough in development to have a finished product in sight).
No, the trailer showed images and release dates of Duke Nukem and Duke3D, then followed it up with the year 2001 and the DNF footage.
I also remember Ruben Cabrera posting here that what we saw was just the tip of the iceberg.
Of course, years later it became known that this particular version of the game had been scrapped about half a year after the release of the trailer and was in no way representative of the work they were doing anymore.

Also its not the boy crying wolf , its called trial and error.

Or perhaps mismanagement and lack of vision?

[dark_angel]

What matters most now is that the game is back on track and they have now a clear vision and better management of the project ( bigger team) to be able to finish it.

[alexgk]

In a wide videogame industry scope, DNF is one more FPS, but so they are the many FPSs launched lately.

[rockmanekuzu8]

Originally Posted by alexgk

In a wide videogame industry scope, DNF is one more FPS, but so they are the many FPSs launched lately.

Well it's not just one more FPS, it's going to be the only one of its Kind. And will rock and be so bad ass etc, unlike the rest.

[alexgk]

Originally Posted by rockmanekuzu8

Well it's not just one more FPS, it's going to be the only one of its Kind. And will rock and be so bad ass etc, unlike the rest.

Those are your hopes, not the facts. Of course anyone here wants DNF to kick ass right and left, but we haven't played nor seen (in action) the game yet. For many other players out there, this game isn't really important for the industry, and don't believe it can make a change. I hope it does though, or at least, I want it to be as great as HL2(imo).

[LarsBM]

Originally Posted by alexgk

I hope it does though, or at least, I want it to be as great as HL2(imo).

Imo thats not too hard to beat.

[Longtimefan1984]

Well, I can picture a bankrupt George Broussard doing donuts in his Trans-Am at his old high-school if DNF bombs...

[Malgon]

I could see what the author was getting at in the article, since it's probably a sentiment echoed by many others. In reality he knows just as much as we do about DNF, and he's entitled to his opinion, just as much as we are. I've seen a lot worse ill-informed ideas about what DNF is.

[Nyteshadow]

I Need my Duke Nukem fix

[Skiffer]

As we've gotten some tidbits and news bits about the possible release of Duke Nukem Forever in 2008 I’ve started to have the same questions and while 3D Realms has stated the game will launch when it's done, maybe it's time to consider if the title is even worth releasing.

Yes, because scrapping it now that they've actually gotten a fair bit into it makes so much more sense than seeing it through to the end.

The question here is if the game really matters to the gaming industry or if this long running joke needs to be stopped.

"Needs to be stopped"? Like some evil mastermind, bent on world domination? The only way to actually answer the question "Does Duke matter" is to judge the reactions upon release, so this whole pre-emptive shutdown lingo is a bit off the mark.

Duke Nukem isn’t the first game to be stuck in development hell. Apologists could point out that Prey and Team Fortress 2, both of which had a similar development arcs but they are two completely different beasts.

So different in fact, that the comparison just seems stupid, and makes the author appear daft and clueless.

People cut Prey slack because the game wasn't nearly as hyped or delayed as Duke Nukem Forever.

Sure, they axed Prey, so when it came jumping out some month pre-release -- SURPRISE I'M ALIVE -- there wasn't enough time for anyone important to pull the "Ogosh it was announced in -96, can it really compete with teh next gen gaming bonanza?" line, before it was cutting some cash in your local store.

Team Fortress 2 was forgiven because the game was part of the greatest bundle ever created and Valve did deliver a masterful new interpretation the game. From what we've seen so far Duke Nukem Forever isn't going to do any of those things.

Well, I'll agree that DNF won't be "nearly as hyped or delayed as Duke Nukem Forever" but from what "we've" seen so far, as the collective entity we are, "we're" probably just pulling those other conclusions out of our collective asses, aren't "we"?

Duke Nukem was a great character when he was created during the first Bush administration. Tons of great one liners and a cool look was all we really needed ten years ago. But now we have games like Half Life 2, BioShock, and God of War where the characters are more than just action hero cliché’s. I think gamers really are looking for more in their protagonists right now.

Yes, they're much more into the action hero cliché's of 2000; the only difference being, that every Duke-wannabe takes a few pointers from the emo community, and goes all "deep and brooding" in between the bloodshed. That is, if he's got ANY personality at all, which is rare in todays games. Huge improvement on that front, babe.

Playing a Duke Nukem game now would be like listening to 80’s hair metal after Nirvana and Pearl Jam debuted, it’s nice for nostalgia but no one takes it seriously.

Yeah, and also what's up with all those WW2 shooters? I mean, it's not like they portray a realistic image of todays wars? It's good for nostalgia, sure, but when you've killed your 101'st nazi schwein you're not really taking it seriously anymore. Oh, and also, what's up with steampunk? I mean, it's not like we have circuit boards and electrical current nowadays? It's good for nostalgia but... And so forth.

The Serious Sam and Painkiller games tried this formula a few years ago and were pretty much ignored. That's not to say they weren't fun games but gamers need more now.

Yes, the whole "formula" of taking down a demonic army all by yourself is long gone. Gamers want to kill 3-4 monsters per game, in a squad based enviroment now, because apparently people that are good at shooters don't play singleplayer campaigns anymore -- it's all multiplayer from here. Where is this guy getting his gems from? And why is he comparing DNF to Painkiller? It makes no sense.

I also wonder about the business side of the game. With the game in development for over decade is there anyway 3D Realms can make money on the it? How many copies will they have to sell to even come close to breaking even?

Ach nein! The futility of it all! Well, I guess they'll have to scrap it then. Makes more sense.

Duke Nukem 3D had a strong single player campaign but now you have games like Call of Duty 4 and BioShock which have taken storytelling and FPS gameplay to new levels.

Yes, the truly next-gen storytelling games, such as Fear 4 and Call of Duty 11 will soon be coming to a CINEMA near you. Apparently consumers don't want to "interact" with their "media" anymore.

More crap

Yet again, Charles Housemaster wins teh big gaem using only his cunning and wit, or lack thereof. Good going, essé.

Originally Posted by Kalki

Irrelevant. Either you're still a fan of the genre or you're not. Only during/after release do you really judge whether you want to buy a game or not.

Ermm... not really... after all a product is no good without a target audience to sell to... or to keep the target audiences interest in the product.

I simply won't buy the game because I am no longer interested in Duke Nukem Forever... simply said.

[Kien]

Originally Posted by Piano Man

I simply won't buy the game because I am no longer interested in Duke Nukem Forever... simply said.

You will always be interrested in DNF.

[BokKaveli]

Stay tuned??...."picks up remote and turns to http://http://www.champions-online.com/ "....i'll turn back later

[Kalki]

Originally Posted by Piano Man

Ermm... not really... after all a product is no good without a target audience to sell to... or to keep the target audiences interest in the product.

I simply won't buy the game because I am no longer interested in Duke Nukem Forever... simply said.

The decision to buy this game is distinct from the quantity of hype (or lack of it) outside the release window. The decision to not sustain the hype in previous years was intentional as it would be pointless to appeal to audiences without a product release to back it up within a foreseeable timeframe.

Point is, you're basing this on the lack of media, claiming that there hasn't been any effort to rectify this either. So you don't account for a scenario where the information does begin to flow in earnest, while you remain tuned in to significant events within the action-game genre. Also, say if DNF proves to be the number one shooter of its time (for the majority of critical / user reviews) and you're still interested in games of its reputed caliber, it's then reasonable that your decision could be reversed.

LOL if it didn't matter they wouldn't still be talking about it LOL

[rockmanekuzu8]

They got such a Highly Talented Well Qualified Team working on the most such a Huge Game that's going to make history when released. Then we got George leading the company with Scott Miller Brave and Determined despite the shitty insults about the game, Competition from Wussy Games, and time they took.
Like George said around the Teaser:

Broussard: Gotta start somewhere. No regrets. With our development history if you let regrets bother you, you'd jump off the nearest roof. Onward and upward.

Agreed and Well said dude, I got a good well known saying to go with that as well. Those who wait shall receive.

YEAH DUDES!! I'M PRETTY SURE IN MY FEELING DNF WILL BLOW US AWAY WHEN DUKE MAKES ONE EPIC LEGENDARY RETURN. HE WILL ROCK OVER ALL GAMES IN ITS GENRE THIS YEAR OR THE NEXT!! LET'S GET READY TO ROCK WITH THAT TRAILER THIS YEAR!! 3DR please let us know like last time, so we can get ready for it. Thanks and later dudes.

[ash678]

considering this place crashed when a teaser was released i think the game does matter. it just shows people are infact waiting and wanting to see the game if a teaser caused that many people to come here.

[Kien]

Originally Posted by ash678

considering this place crashed when a teaser was released i think the game does matter. it just shows people are infact waiting and wanting to see the game if a teaser caused that many people to come here.

Me dont thinks it's becouse people really wants the game, it's just exciting becouse it's the most delayed game ever and it's the sequel to one of the most popular.

[JobivanHiob]

it's like a car accident you can't stop looking at it.

[colmtourque]

er...I hate to say this but since no one has seen anything from the game the real question is this: "Does anyone's opinion on the game in any way shape or form matter (outside of 3drealms)?"
I guess that puts me in the hope to see a fun game and that all the harpies need to get a hobby camp.

[froggerdonkey]

Originally Posted by colmtourque

er...I hate to say this but since no one has seen anything from the game

-This is what reeeeaally grinds my gears..the fact that somewhere out there.. (or to be more precise, in there, in the 3DR office )..people are probably playing through bits of the game right now and know exactly what's in store for us. have you all seen that south park episode with the homeless begging for change? I kinda feel like that, except I need tidbits of DNF info to keep me going...can anyone spare some?

[CadetStimp]

Originally Posted by froggerdonkey

-This is what reeeeaally grinds my gears..the fact that somewhere out there.. (or to be more precise, in there, in the 3DR office )..people are probably playing through bits of the game right now and know exactly what's in store for us. have you all seen that south park episode with the homeless begging for change? I kinda feel like that, except I need tidbits of DNF info to keep me going...can anyone spare some?

If it makes you feel any better... the 3DR office is probably playing games OTHER than DNF on a regular basis. It's not fun playing a game you've been developing for 10 years...it starts to actually resemble work!

[CadetStimp]

Originally Posted by BokKaveli

Stay tuned??...."picks up remote and turns to http://http://www.champions-online.com/ "....i'll turn back later

Nice!....Finally some good interesting gameplay without a dark/realistic theme. Thanks for the link!

[LarsBM]

Originally Posted by colmtourque

er...I hate to say this but since no one has seen anything from the game

http://www.3drealms.com/news/2007/12..._released.html

[colmtourque]

I guess anything of any substance. While the trailer was cool...stop messing with me!!!

[LarsBM]

Looking forward to see som more though

[Commando Nukem]

Originally Posted by Kien

Me dont thinks it's becouse people really wants the game, it's just exciting becouse it's the most delayed game ever and it's the sequel to one of the most popular.

No, people are excited about this game. With only a few exceptions, but even many of the people who have said they lost interest in DNF were excited to see the teaser. The game WILL BE HUGE upon release. People who think otherwise are kidding themselves.

[Commando Nukem]

Originally Posted by alexgk

I don't want to sound pesimist, but we can't say this game will be great if we haven't seen some gameplay. I DO want DNF to be awesome. However, we can launch any premature conclusions yet.

Well I think Financially theres no question its going to be big, people are going to be curious and many will buy it just out of the simple "historic" value of it.

[Zombie_Boy]

Originally Posted by ash678

considering this place crashed when a teaser was released i think the game does matter. it just shows people are infact waiting and wanting to see the game if a teaser caused that many people to come here.

The downside of this is the insanely huge expectations.

Sure its warrented, but its going to turn this game into one of those "Love it or Hate it" routines where people will both be praising and bashing it.

I just hope this game realises its potential and capitalizes on what it says it'll do unlike some other games out there.

Take STALKER for example: During dev they were touting the "revolutionary" AI system, and yet when it was released the AI system was merely a watered-down version of what it should have been. Even the huge "Oblivion-like" world was never fully realized, requiring you to jump between levels to get somewhere. Don't get me wrong, I like STALKER alot, its just that they failed to fully realize some things that would have made it a gaming masterpiece.

[Mackan]

Sometimes too many years are... too many years.

[Longtimefan1984]

I simply won't buy the game because I am no longer interested in Duke Nukem Forever... simply said

So explain to me exactly how you got lost on the internet super highway and ended up at the Home base of DNF?