Does Duke Nukem Even Matter Anymore?

[axion]

Gaming Nexus has an article up questioning whether or not Duke can really compete in today's market with games such as Bioshock and COD4 which bring a lot to the table. IMO it seems like he believes that DNF will be Duke Nukem 3D rehashed, which is a tough stance to take seeing as how we've had next to no information about what the plot/characters/weapons/gameplay have to offer this time around. I think we need to have more information about the game before making any assumptions based on a game made over a decade ago. I'm pretty sure that 3DRealms has enough sense to know that recreating the same game from that long ago in today's market won't fly. Interesting read none the less.

[Lethe]

He is completely clueless, I don't really see how he can state those things. Besides, Bioshock is one of the most overrated games ever, so topping it should not be a problem for 3dr.

[Dukefan24]

I think DNF will be one of the better games around when it releases. But as we all know, only the fans (who are posting on this forum) do really believe in Duke for now. When the teaser trailer was shown all over the web I rarely saw a positive reaction unless I viewed this forum. The fans (like me lol) are already impressed by one little screenshot showing a 'plastic' Duke with a short haircut but the 'normal' gamers need much more to be interested, I guess something like the 2001 trailer will do, that was really impressive and the whole gaming world was looking forward to it.

[Monkey Butler]

Why is it that every time an article is written that is slightly critical about DNF or 3DR, the fanboys claim that the author is "clueless", a "hater" or has some bizarre desire for the game to fail? Every point the author brought up is a valid one - surely the time and money that has been sunk into DNF could have been more efficiently used; what reason have we been given to believe that Duke as a character, as well as a game, has been updated other than from hyperbolic word of mouth from the devs? And with no other games developed between DN3D and DNF, why should the general public have any confidence that DNF is going to be anything mroe than DN3D rehashed?

I don't really agree with the author, but to call him "completely clueless" just because he dissed your favourite game-to-be is just childish.

[avatar_58]

Originally Posted by axion

IMO it seems like he believes that DNF will be Duke Nukem 3D rehashed

Would that really be so hard to believe? I don't expect Duke to be some innovative world changing game. All I need is Duke, some interactivity on the level of Duke3D and throw in a few of those "holy shit" moments from the old trailers. It doesn't need to be the second coming.

[axion]

Neither do I expect it to be world-changing or a second coming, however I do expect it not be Duke3D but with better graphics, which is what the author seems to believe.

[Monkey Butler]

But what evidence is there to prove otherwise? It's a totally legitimate viewpoint.

[Lethe]

Originally Posted by avatar_58

Would that really be so hard to believe? I don't expect Duke to be some innovative world changing game. All I need is Duke, some interactivity on the level of Duke3D and throw in a few of those "holy shit" moments from the old trailers. It doesn't need to be the second coming.

They could've made that in 2 years. After one decade, you'd expect more.

[Kalki]

I'm glad he starts off by admitting he made similar statements about HL2. Says it all really.

[Lethe]

Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

But what evidence is there to prove otherwise? It's a totally legitimate viewpoint.

What is legitimate in saying that DNF will be Duke Nukem 3D rehashed? He didn't played the game. And I'm the last one who would group with DNF fanboys here.

[Denz]

haha seeing prey why even worry

[avatar_58]

Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

But what evidence is there to prove otherwise? It's a totally legitimate viewpoint.

Theres also no evidence to prove his point either. Burden of proof is on the shoulders of the one making the claim. 3DRealms hasn't developed anything in years so how can anyone know what they have in store? WID.

[Joe Siegler]

He invalidates his entire argument by saying this:

"Before the release of Half Life 2 I wrote an article questioning whether or not Half Life 2 really mattered or not."

Does this article even matter anymore?

[Danule]

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

He invalidates his entire argument by saying this:



Does this article even matter anymore?

no it doesn't

[Altered Reality]

what reason have we been given to believe that Duke as a character, as well as a game, has been updated other than from hyperbolic word of mouth from the devs?

What reason does he have to behave as if he knows ANYTHING about DNF? If I was him, I'd never write anything about DNF until I have the game running on my computer to review.

[Danule]

Originally Posted by Lethe

He is completely clueless, I don't really see how he can state those things. Besides, Bioshock is one of the most overrated games ever, so topping it should not be a problem for 3dr.

i agree with your statement about bioshock

Originally Posted by Denz

haha seeing prey why even worry

*cough* umm....

[MegaMustaine]

Originally Posted by Kalki

I'm glad he starts off by admitting he made similar statements about HL2. Says it all really.

Well I hate HL2, so now I'm worried.

[Nihilanth]

From what we've seen so far Duke Nukem Forever isn't going to do any of those things.

Because we obviously saw enough to make this kind of prediction...

[Servo]

Duke will ALWAYS have a special place in my heart (sob)! I don't give a swut what anybody says about him!

[SonnyBonds]

Originally Posted by avatar_58

Burden of proof is on the shoulders of the one making the claim.

Very true. I wish more people would apply this kind of thinking to other things as well

[Minty]

"Before the release of Half Life 2 I wrote an article questioning whether or not Half Life 2 really mattered or not. The industry had moved on quite a bit since the first game had been released"

This is where I stopped reading! I hate it when people talk about how the industry has moved on and all that nonsense, the fact that HL2 is a huge success shows how wrong he was and how wrong he will be now.

It may move on, but it gets boring and dull, I want stuff that hasnt moved anywhere, like good old fashioned blast everything to kingdom come and have a bloody good laugh at it at the same time.

[Deftones]

"Does *blank* even matter any more?"

Sounds emo to me.

It only matters if it effects the target audience and/or people that care about it.

For some reason I wanna punch the guy in the face that made that article.

[Minty]

Originally Posted by Deftones

For some reason I wanna punch the guy in the face that made that article.

I got that too

[Prinny]

I'd say Duke matters, Duke matters alot! In the article it had a few points that I'd like to address.

Now I know he admits his inaccuracy with the half life 2 situation, but he still disagrees that old game formulas don't work. Aparrently this guy hasn't been paying as much attention to some of the games that have been comming out for the past several years as he thinks.

Mario has been following his formula since SMB. Sure every so often they throw in a new innovative game specific feature like fludd or the gravity of the galaxy and it gets mixed reviews. But they all follow the same "run, jump on ememies, do some platforming, fight bowser, and save the princess" formula religiously and have not suffered any loss or interest in the franchise. In fact the same can be said with most Nintendo franchises, like Zelda or Metroid.

He also mentioned the "Save the babes and save the world from aliens" story line not possibly not working anymore. Ironic seeing as Halo was all about saving the world from aliens and look how that game took off, its nearly a legend. Saving the "babe" storylines are as old as time itself and ratio equally old in video games. The original Donkey Kong and the rest of the mario series to date, as well as zelda, Ghosts 'N Goblins, as well as other games use it and don't suffer a bit. How he doubts either or a mix is beyond me.

Then he doubts how the multiplayer could end up comparing it to team fortress. Yes Lets compare a team based game centered on its mulitplayer with many job classes and weapons and skills to duke nukem 3d's multiplayer. Not a very good comparison they're two different games focused on two different things. Lets dissect the DN3D multiplayer style real quick. Everyone has their own character that is exactly same as everyone else's, save for a cosmetic variation. There are tons of weapons, power ups and maps. Hmm sounds like another multiplayer sounds like Halo's mulitplayer, which is probably one of the most popular multiplayer in gaming history. So why does he have a problem with what Duke's has been and could turn out to be again?

The article as well as this post is just a rant doods, ignore them. Duke will come out either way when the game is complete.

Done.

[Jeff]

I've been waiting patiently since 1996 for this game. I'm sure it'll be good.

[Firstperson]

Originally Posted by Jeff

I've been waiting patiently since 1996 for this game. I'm sure it'll be good.

I have too and have had a friend kinda die waitin for it as well.(He died of cancer. Not you guys.) *sigh* he never got to finish that map with the pyramids of Egypt. Made sprites out of popular porn stars for the harems. ......sorry I reminise.

[fast-1]

Every game made today has the same formula which could bring new elements to games like team online games. He starts by saying Half Life 2, whats the comparison.

[Firstperson]

HL2 has more potential for interactivity and some of the detail was pretty good. On the other hand, D3 was more spooky and "realistic". I think a balance of the 2 would work and MORE interactivity.

[Denz]

Originally Posted by Danule

i agree with your statement about bioshock



*cough* umm....

i mean it was pretty much interactive and had new stuff in it right. Put aside the length of the game of course

[brabee]

Its quite simple: DNF doesnt matter much for a few years now, but that will change, hopefully this Xmas...

[mysteryperfecta]

Originally Posted by Joe Siegler

He invalidates his entire argument by saying this:

Wrong. If you had read the HL2 article, you'd see that while he raised the question, and explored the premise, he ultimately decided that HL2 still mattered, despite the year delay.

Similarly, he's now trying to assess how a new Duke game will be greeted in what he perceives as a gaming landscape significantly different than the one Duke thrived in a decade ago. Considering how little we know about DNF, the task seems to be futile. But to dismiss him outright, based on a point you don't seem to have bothered to understand, is intellectually lazy. Bad form.

[Antikorper]

Originally Posted by Deftones

For some reason I wanna punch the guy in the face that made that article.

just a perfect picture

[Draxus]

Originally Posted by axion

Gaming Nexus has an article up questioning whether or not Duke can really compete in today's market with games such as Bioshock and COD4 which bring a lot to the table. IMO it seems like he believes that DNF will be Duke Nukem 3D rehashed, which is a tough stance to take seeing as how we've had next to no information about what the plot/characters/weapons/gameplay have to offer this time around.

Indeed they barely have any information to draw comparisons. I do wonder what kind of "hooks" DNF has to attract a large quantity of players.

[madhatter man]

Seems to me that the only way to can tell a person is being a fanboy is when they say "enter game name is overrated".

[KaiserSoze]

Re: Does Duke Nukem Even Matter Anymore?

A fun, polished, well produced game is what matters.

I think characters always take a back seat to the gameplay.

If the gameplay is busted, you won't care what character you're playing. Duke included.

[HazMat]

Duke Nukem feels a bit like the creepy 30 year old guy who's hitting on high school girls at the mall.

WTF? lol thats funny but shit man get it right, I am 33!

bad joke but my girlfriend thinks its funny

I can't get this guy's article seriously. Most of it's based on the assumption that the gameplay of DNF will be the same as duke3d. And it's very interesting why he made this assumption. I can say two facts that lead to conclusions just opposite to the author's assumption.
1. Duke I and Duke II are even not the same genre as Duke3D. Duke evolve through the years. The fact that Duke3D and DNF are the same genre in no way means that there will be no changes in the game play. Actually as we can see from the last teaser Duke change his face. May be I'm wrong but it's likely that the face change is because of the change in the character.
2. Maybe the author should watch the trailer from 1998. He mentions HL2 several time so it's really good to watch this trailer. There he can see Bombshell (women together with Duke) and Duke can operate with vehicles. Things that present in 1998 in Duke - years before HL2 And I doubt 3D Realms only have chew bubble gum through this almost 10 years(as we know they are all out of gum - that's why Duke is so ass kicking game )

So....
Hail to the King baby!

[MegaMustaine]

Originally Posted by KaiserSoze

A fun, polished, well produced game is what matters.

I think characters always take a back seat to the gameplay.

If the gameplay is busted, you won't care what character you're playing. Duke included.

This is the truth, although a strong lead character can't hurt a game.

[RAW]

Time will tell people , the author knows about as much as we do, we're all pretty much clueless as to forever. Time will tell

[WoodenSword]

Originally Posted by Monkey Butler

- surely the time and money that has been sunk into DNF could have been more efficiently used;

I disagree...

How is efficiency measured? In financial or business terms?

What i see here is the individuality and the passion of Broussard to make a fun and original game and not the investment of a cold and faceless international company (like EA..).

Because GB loves what he does.No doubt on that.And that's what makes Duke Nukem matter.And that's what makes Duke special and different from any other game out there imo.