IGN + GameSpot Review

[Gatinater]

Originally Posted by Mongorian

Okay, guys, it's one persons opinion which you clearly don't agree with. That is all.

WHAT?! A world with people whom possess different minds which contain different opinions?! That would be madness! I will hear NO MORE! No more of your dirty fantasys. Such a scenario would be utter nonsense. You are SICK.. sick in thee mind! Thou must quest for a psychiatric evaluation and venture to a lobotomy.

[Zegraphoob]

Originally Posted by Damien_Azreal

Read the text review before I watched the video one, they were both poorly done and insulting.

You didn't read the text review, otherwise you wouldn't have said what I quote below:

Originally Posted by Damien_Azreal

These were the lows from Gamespot's review. Now, I've highlighted in bold the one low that really stands out to me as just f*cking stupid.

Did this guy completely miss something. In the second and third levels the aliens speak their language, and you can't understand them.
But after you return from death, in the fifth level, you can understand them... read some alien monitors... because of Talon.
The aliens don't speak english... Talon translates what they are saying into your language.

This is why I hate Gamespot... they always miss shit and their reviews are so damn scewed it isn't funny.

They didn't miss anything! It's clearly stated that Talon translates the aliens. So in fact, it's not the reviewer that is, using your words, "****ing stupid", for missing something. it's you that missed something, which makes your argument, by your own logic, "****ing stupid". I'm sorry, have a good day...

Out of curiousity: Why do you find Gamespot's video review "insulting"? They didn't say anything insulting, and I agree with everything they say (save for some details maybe). I would have rated the game a bit higher, 8.0, but the points the reviewer(s) make are good. the level design is straightforward, it's just like Quake 4. Having some weird gravity in it doesn't make the level design unusual. Maybe it would if they made it wicked, with more extreme puzzles. but now all it does, the wallwalking, is transport you from A to B.

Originally Posted by dark_angel

When it comes to reviewing a AAA title there is some sort of a "red line" when rating the game that can not be crossed.

The point of a review is to decide how good the game is. There is no written or unwritten law that says Prey is an AAA title, the review will decide that. Gamespot did not think Prey was an AAA title, so they don't have to rate it past your so called "red line". Other reviewers may think Prey is an AAA title, let them rate it accordingly then. No one is wrong. In my opinion, Gamespot is the most accurate of all reviewing websites I have visited. Gamespot was the only one where I looked that gave 50 Cent: Bulletproof a really low score (52% if I recall correctly). Gamespy and IGN gave it "good-to-very good" scores I think. Gamespot is also the one with the most accurate Prey review so far. It's a good game (which Gamespot agrees with, anything above 7 is good for them), but definitely not a Half-Life 1 killer (figuratively speaking).

Originally Posted by dark_angel

Anyone who accepts such rating is just ignoring the innovation in gameplay Prey has introduced and the game contribution to the FPS genre.

Innovation? Definitely, it has something that differentiates it from other first person shooters, but it contributed nothing to the evolution of the genre. Normally, I don't care for rating games based on how much they include original stuff that will help the evolution of the genre, but I still care about proving people wrong who claim Prey contributed to the genre.

- Wallwalking: That's not evolution, it has been done before, but I don't put the emphasis on that. It's more that wallwalking only fits in a select few games. So the genre in general won't benefit from it.
- Shuttles: Nothing revolutionary. See Descent, and so forth ...
- Gravity switching puzzles: again only a few games could benefit from it.
- Deathwalking: even less games could benefit from it. I like it in Prey but I don't want it to leak over to Far Cry for example).

What would be evolution to the FPs genre? for example: ability to grab ledges, drainpipes, climb and swing ropes, and so forth. Some of these things have been done in some games, but I haven't seen a game where you can climb and move around the environment close to that a human could do (Could be used for infiltrating castle missions, or just to get past obstacles as a break from action). Such environmental climbing could be integrated in [î]any[/i] first person shooter (if they wanted). And that would mean evolution/innovation to the genre.

Originally Posted by dark_angel

Forget about gamespot review, Jeff simply don't know what he is talking about wich is quite weird!

He does know what he's talking about. If anything, I'd say you don't know what you are talking about. When you finally come with arguments, I'll take back what I said.

Originally Posted by Micki!

I agree...
I stated that already in this thread... 2 times before...
The fact that you explain it exactly like i did, just proves that i'm not the only person thinking this way...

Like has also been said 2 or more times before (before my and your post), the reviewer knows that it is a translation by Talon.

Originally Posted by Micki!

I bet he didn't comment the interactivetly at all...

Neither would I, it's only present in the bar and to turn the conveyor back on in level 2 (but the switch is in level 3). It was fun in the bar, but in the ship there is no interactivity anymore. The reviewer can't mention everything. You'd have a point if there was interactivity at regular intervals thoughout the whole game though.

Originally Posted by George Broussard

http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19761

So far, from the review scores in the above thread, Gamespot is the one that's standing out and the lowball score. I think you can toss that out, and the highest score and be left with the probably reality of the situation.

Or alternatively, you could try to see the reality of the situation: Wallwalking doesn't do the trick for everyone to make them blind for what otherwise is the same game as Quake 4 (combat is identical, environments have identical artistic direction). I enjoyed Quake 4 thorougly, and so did I enjoy Prey thoroughly. Like I said I give it 8.0 or similar. But then again, I'm not a picky player. I enjoy games that a significant amount of others hate (Far Cry for exemple). I enjoy wallwalking a lot.

You compare gamespot with the results on this website, but don't forget your website is flooded with fans. Compare it to metacritic like others suggested earlier in this thread, not much difference.

Nota bene: I only say "wallwalking", but only because it's my favourite feature in the game. You could easily substitute it with "shuttles" if you wanted.

Originally Posted by Spartan_234

Whoa, he really said that? That is utterly offensive! I'm not a Cherokee, but I feel sorry for the Cherokees who had to suffer through that nonsense comment. Jeff Gerstmann should indeed be fired from GameSpot.

I don't think he said Cherokee was crap, I think he implied it was crappily implemented in Prey, with which I only half agree.
However, if he said it the way you think he said it, then I agree, it's not nice.

Originally Posted by hell-angel

I have been thinking about this. Talon is present but not overly (as in, he isn't that visible if you are not paying that well attention). And nowhere in the game is explained that Talon translates for you which makes it clear why the reviewer makes that misstake.
I don't agree with the score though, just trying to give a reason for the misstake.

It's not a mistake, "bad points" on Gamespot is just a way to have a quick overview of the bad points, not to explain them, that's what the review is for.
He can't possibly explain the whole Talon thing in hs bad points that are only supposed to be a few words.

Originally Posted by SuicideRUN

"You can snipe yourself in the back of the head thru a portal." Jeff you're a friggin tool!

It's true, you can. Why?

Originally Posted by SuicideRUN

I'm still surprised he thought Q4 was a better than Prey. He must of been playing a different game than me.

That, or he just has a different opinion than you. I don't agree Quake 4 is better but I can see where someone is coming from when he says that. For example, Prey has the exact same combat as Quake 4, but in Quake 4 the combat felt more satisfying to me. It's also harder.

Originally Posted by Orochi Avlis

It looks like the game doesn't accumlate the time played properly.
It says under 4 hours, but I've played it much longer than that.

Or could it just be me?

It's not you, it took me 6-7 hours. But don't worry, the video review says 8-12 hours.
I think that's too much. I looked at every monitor, listened to every art bell broadcasting, hunted after the secret every time I saw the symbol, and so forth.

[Zegraphoob]

Originally Posted by Fyrus Dakren

While I agree Jeff Gershwhatever is an idiot, especially when he called the Cherokee religon "crap" (I actually sent in a letter telling them how stupid it was of Jeff to say that).

I have an update on this: didn't Tommy himself say: "All this Cherokee crap it's a bunch of superstitious bullshit"? Come on, I challenge you all to badmouth the scriptwriter of the game the same way you badmouth Jeff, because the scriptwriter let Tommy say that Cherokee is "crap"!

By the way, someone should point me to where Jeff said that the Cherokee culture is crap, I used the search function of my browser and can't find the word "crap" in the review. I also searched for "Cherokee" and it's only mentioned twice, in a neutral way.

[CodyLamp]

Well I'm part Cherokee and flathead (very small parts, although my moms a full blood cherokee)and I was offended, it worked in game because that was part of the character and Jeff didnt sound like he was making an in joke, it sound like he was being a moron. He should be lobotomized with a Jack Hammer.

[Zegraphoob]

OK, but show me where the reviewer calls your culture crap.

[nossr50]

7.5 is not a bad score, also quake4 is almost a year old, you cant really compare the graphic scores between the 2. If the game was longer and more challenging it probably would have got at least an 8.

[CodyLamp]

Originally Posted by Zegraphoob

OK, but show me where the reviewer calls your culture crap.

He didnt call my culture crap he said "All that other crap" implying that the things in the game based on cherokee culture arent worth knowing. Atleast to myself thats what it sounded like.

[Zegraphoob]

Originally Posted by nossr50

7.5 is not a bad score

Indeed. To quote Gamespot in their "An open letter to fanboys" feature, which is very appropriate for this thread:

GameSpot is the most reliable source for reviews. Except when another publication rates the game you're hyping higher than us. Then that publication is the most reliable source. Until next week, anyway.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6128136/p-18.html

They also say: A game rated 8.0 or higher is great (in this case: a gamer rates 7.0 or higher is good), but we all know it really means "flop".

It's seen from the eyes of the fans, who think a game is rated as a flop when it isn't rated 9.0+

[Zegraphoob]

Originally Posted by CodyLamp

He didnt call my culture crap he said "All that other crap" implying that the things in the game based on cherokee culture arent worth knowing. Atleast to myself thats what it sounded like.

If he did, then you're right, it's not nice. Hwever, I have a hard time finding that quote in the review. Or was it in the video review? then I may not have noticed it.

[CodyLamp]

Originally Posted by Zegraphoob

If he did, then you're right, it's not nice. Hwever, I have a hard time finding that quote in the review. Or was it in the video review? then I may not have noticed it.

Actually it was the video review, my bad I should have said that in the first place. Sorry for the confusion.

[Gatinater]

I don't think he meant anything by it. I think Jeff was just blowing it off because to him and most other people it's just stuff we don't concern ourselves with.

I don't have any indian that I know of. Most of my ancestors were european immigrants, but we don't know when all of them migrated here. SO we don't know our complete ancestry. I don't believe any of us really do. Except for the immediate and obvious.

People say things that should offend me, but I let it roll right off because it don't mean nothin. We're all gonna die eventually and the next generation of idiots will continue the same arguments. So based on that fact it's a waste of time. We won't change the world.

If someone says "Americans are CRAP and I become angry and feel that I need to share my thoughts.. it wouldn't just be a waste of time but also an attitude that suggests the world revolves around me and my feelings?

[Fyrus Dakren]

Jeff did say that the Indian religon tied in with, "all that other crap." He wasn't joking either.

I like gamespot more than other places, but I'm not so fond of Jeff. While the score was a little low, it really wasn't that far out there.

I'm fine with people that joke about different races and religons (Carlos Mencia), but when you seriously call a religon crap, then you're in trouble. I am not indian, but I wouldn't be suprised if Gamespot was reprimanded as a whole because of what Jeff said. I like gamespot so thats whi I'm concerned.

[X-Vector]

I just saw the video review and I've got to say that the claims made in this thread concerning disrespect of Cherokee religion are pretty pathetic.
It's very clear from the context that he is referring to Tommy's state of mind at the start of Prey; i.e. he doesn't have the spirit walk power from the onset of the game, because he doesn't really believe in "the old Cherokee ways, all this mysticism and all that other crap".
I see nothing at all that warrants the huffing and puffing going on here.

[CodyLamp]

Originally Posted by X-Vector

I just saw the video review and I've got to say that the claims made in this thread concerning disrespect of Cherokee religion are pretty pathetic.
It's very clear from the context that he is referring to Tommy's state of mind at the start of Prey; i.e. he doesn't have the spirit walk power from the onset of the game, because he doesn't really believe in "the old Cherokee ways, all this mysticism and all that other crap".
I see nothing at all that warrants the huffing and puffing going on here.

Theres no huffing and puffing , im just saying if it was with in the context of the game then cool but if its not he needs to be careful. But I'm not trying to argue.

[X-Vector]

No huffing and puffing?
I guess posting comments like "I'm offended" and "he should be lobotomized with a Jack Hammer" is just your way of showing perspective and self-restraint then.
Of course there's other people's stuff about reprimands, sending a letter, mentions of "insulting", "utterly offensive", etc.

[Prohass]

He was using the word 'crap' to apathetically describe the spirit powers/spirit theme of the game, he wasnt calling the cherokee religion crap, or anything remotely like that. He wasn't even calling the powers themselves crap, it was simply an 'etc' with a little attitude.

[Mongorian]

Originally Posted by X-Vector

No huffing and puffing?
I guess posting comments like "I'm offended" and "he should be lobotomized with a Jack Hammer" is just your way of showing perspective and self-restraint then.
Of course there's other people's stuff about reprimands, sending a letter, mentions of "insulting", "utterly offensive", etc.

Seriously.

[Apache]

Finished the game this morning. I think either Gamespot / this Jeff dude has a personal vendetta going against 3D Realms (maybe George ran over his dog or something) or they didn't play the entire game and stopped in the middle.

Anyhow, it appears to me that he did not play the PC version other than giving it a courtesy glance, but reviewed both based on his 360 experiences.

That, or they just did for a publicity stunt / page view hit increase.

[Zegraphoob]

...or they just aren't blindly loving the game as much as you.

[brandon105]

Blindy?, I suggest you stfu, they are stupid people, gamespot sucks horse penis and so does their community, now rebutle my disput.

[Prohass]

Oh yeah very convincing Brandon, with arguments like that its hard to wonder why people are calling us fanboys.

[Gatinater]

If someone thinks what you believe in is crap.. if their opinions differ from yours.. just get in your motor vehicle and run em down. Cause HOW DARE THEY!

[Joe Siegler]

Enough.